What Is Donkey Punch?
According to Wikipedia:
Donkey punch is a slang term for a sex move performed during doggy
style or anal sex. The move involves the penetrating partner punching
the penetrated partner in the back of the head or neck. The term may
refer to the surprised party "bucking" like a donkey.
The practice of hitting one's partner for sexual enjoyment is familiar
(see Sadism and Masochism), but in the various joke-descriptions of
the donkey punch more exotic rationales are often given for it. For
example, sometimes it is said to cause the muscles around the vagina
or anus to contract around the penis, giving enhanced pleasure to the
active partner. In some exaggerated tellings this phenomenon is of such
great force as to result in the inversion of the rectum (which may then
be described as a "pink sock"). Sometimes the active partner is said
to punctuate the technique with a vicious cry of "Donkey punch!"
Alex Devine spills all about her experience on the set
of Donkey Punch
She
(she's the girlfriend of Smokey from Shane's World) posts March 6, 2006
on Extremegirlforum.com:
Ok, I am finally going to reply to this.... DONKEY PUNCH was the most
brutal, depressing, scarey scene that I have ever done. I have tried
to block it out from my memory due to the severe abuse I recieved during
the filming. I had been made to believe that the scene was going to
be more sex, penetration, and rough as opposed to being 'beat up' with
a few penetrations. The guy, Steve French has a natural hatred towards
women in the sense that he has always been known to be more brutal than
EVER needed. I agreed to do the scene thinking it was less beating,
except the 'punch' in the head. If you noticed, steve had worn his solid
gold ring the entire time, and continued to punch me with it. I actually
stopped the scene while it was being filmed because I was in too much
pain. I begged for him to remove the ring but he refused. That almost
made me walk off the set and say 'fuck it'. I sucked it up and wanted
to finish so i would be paid. Witht he ring on his hand still, we continued
the scene.
**Now i am not sure how much you all know about me, but I have had
some major surgeries on my head. One was on the lower back right of
my skull.... The doctor never replaced the bone there because it grows
back on its own. It had been several years since that surgery, and i
now have grown a strong cartilage in place of my missing bone.
I had specifically explained that Steve could not hit that spot, and
that anywhere else on my head was fine. I explained this to him as well,
showing him on my head the places. He acknowledged the request of mine.
As the pop happened he punched me several times in the head. Exactly
where he was told not to. He did it with the ring on too.
*You can hear me scream in pain 'wrong side! ow, ow, wrong side!' in
the movie and trailer. I had to re-do the pop shot/donkey punch for
'better footage' while in pain, and he wore the damn ring again. At
the end of my scene they had me sit on the couch with the directors
and explain that I was ok and was willing to do the scene.
I was in tears I sincerely hope that no one enjoys that scene. I want
to cry when I think about it.
SickandTired
describes on ADT the Alex Devine scene in DonkeyPunch:
-Alex talks to the cameraman several times about French hitting her
with "that hand" or "that ring." At least 5 times that I counted.
-Alex talks to French more than 8 times about hitting her with "that
hand" or "that ring" for the scene. She does laugh about it once early
on, but is definitely angry about it towards the end of the shoot.
-Alex threatens to "not finish the shoot" to the cameraman about 2/3
of the way thru the scene if French "uses that hand again."
-French tries to choke her a couple of times and she clearly says "don't
choke me," to him...and he complies. He even says (staying "in character"
it would seem) "I won't choke you" or "I won't hurt you," and complies
with her request to not choke her. So clearly, he could understand her
and, when he wished, not do things she asked. During one of the early
anal entries she cries out in pain and asks for a break, and he complies
again, clearly understanding her and withdraws from her anus.
-The part where she is hit on the "wrong" side of her head (seen in
the trailer) occurs WHILE French comes in her ass. She says quite plainly
"PLEASE STOP" and pulls away, but he's already come. The cameraman/director
THEN starts talking and says "WAIT, RIGHT THERE" and then the scene
cuts as Alex pulls away from French and accuses him of hitting her on
"the wrong side." It should be noted that, contrary to some of the opinions
presented here, French did NOT hit her in the "wrong side" of her head
with his ring hand. He clearly hits her with his LEFT hand and his right
is gripping her ass, with the ring clearly visible. It was still clearly
a non-welcomed assault by Alex, but he didn't use his ring at all for
that particular attack. From what I could see, at no time does his ring
ever come into contact with her head for the entire shoot.
-After the above incident, the scene (with camera still rolling) continues
with mayhem ensuing. Alex is upset (the camera is all over the place
so hard to see facial expressions for this segment) and complaining
about the incident, the director is upset that the money shot was screwed
up (cum has already leaked out of her ass onto the black couch), so
French is asked to re-insert his cock in her ass so they can shoot the
"donkey punch" again (words spoken by the cameraman) and fake the orgasm.
Alex clearly says "I don't give a s--- about the donkey punch, just
DONT HIT THIS SIDE." The director requests that she show French where
not to hit her, she does, and they re-engage and fake the orgasm...again
with a "donkey punch" but obviously not in the "wrong spot" this time.
-The ring is featured prominently in several of the shots. There are
even a few closeups of JUST French's right hand with the ring on it.
-This is, obviously, a very rough scene. Alex does encourage and invite
a lot of abuse verbally, even asking him to hit her stomach during a
reverse cowgirl shot. And he "foot slaps" her head violently several
times, some of which occurs while she lying on her back and laughing
about it. The scene has escalating dialogue the entire time with her
getting more and more upset about the ring, but it is interspersed with
her also encouraging and/or laughing about some of the other abusive
treatment. She even "disses" French about the taste of his ass several
times.
-After the shot ends, Grip, Cram and Alex do a short scene where she
is roughed up "playfully" by them (and appears to rough them up also)
and they claim that "this cunt f---ed up the scene right at the end."
Again Alex makes some complaints (it sounds good-natured here to be
honest) about getting hit in the "wrong spot," to which Cram replies
with a slap to her head that "There's no wrong spot to hit a woman."
They then have her lick up the cum that dripped out onto the couch and
apologize to the viewers. The Johnson's then said that she f---ed up
the production although admit that "Alex did get a pretty good beating."
Steven French
should be in jail - not in porn?
Picman
writes on ADT: "How about throwing the director in there with
him for allowing the
brutality to continue. And the producer too, for thinking of such
a concept. This is not rough sex delivered in the heat of passion. Just
a calculated assault. Some people have no shame."
David
Aaron Clark responds to a "that's debatable" post:
That's debatable. " No, it's not. Unless you think whether people should
freely sit around & watch snuff movies is somehow a debatable issue.
Or think that aggravated assault is somehow a "debatable issue."
It just amazes me how many of you turn off your brains -- & any sense
of decency -- once the blood starts flowing to your dicks (or clits,
not to leave out the self-hating, mysogynist women out there who have
learned to love & emulate their torturers). Glad it's all academic to
you from your armchair, bub.
I suspect that when most pornographers get angry about the abuse of women
in porn, it's not the abuse of women in porn that's primarily at issue.
It's the opportunity to vent on others the hatred they have for their
own jobs. Porn
sex is a full contact sport and people get hurt, physically and emotionally.
What Vivid Video, David Clark,
Rob Black, and Khan Tusion
have in common is far more than what any of them have in common with non-porn
producers of entertainment.
Melissa Lauren writes:
I know Steven, have worked several times with him, and never had a
problem. Very sweet guy. I don't know Alex on the other hand, although
I've heard crazy stories about her being locked in a bathroom for half
hour on set, doing drugs and being out of her mind. I'm not saying it's
true - just what I heard, and we know how gossip goes sometimes. I've
been, on a director's side, in a situation where the girl I was shooting
went through a really strong scene, never complained during it, smiled
and asked for more, and after the shoot it was a whole different story.
She basically blamed me for not respecting her limits (hello, you know
you can say stop when you dont like something?) blamed me for letting
her drink on set (when she showed up on my set at 9 am with an almost
empty bottle of wine) etc... So I'm kind of weirded out by that story.
It'd be interesting to ask the director what exactly happened. Sometimes
girls tend to make up or exaggerate stories. Seen it more than a couple
of times. Fortunately, there's always the unedited original tape, and/or
witnesses.
Holly writes: "Is that legal? I guess technically it would be the
same as a girl getting her ass spanked in a video, but brutal scenes like
these are what attract unwanted attention from anti-porn advocates, dont'cha
think? Hearing about a video like that makes me understand why some people
hate porn so much, and I hate being associated with something like that
via industry name."
The legality of any kind of porn is up to community standards, including
this kind.
Luke: you'd probably like donkey punch in your own life
HollyRandall: hell no
HollyRandall: that's not cool
Luke: why not? You love to be slapped etc
HollyRandall: i find that really disturbing
HollyRandall: poor girl
HollyRandall: yeah but not incredibly hard and i don't want to be punched
in the back of the head
HollyRandall: that hurts
HollyRandall: i like play slapping
HollyRandall: not "i'm going to kick your ass bitch"
Luke: you like more pain than any woman I have ever known
HollyRandall: then you don't know many women
HollyRandall: i'm probably a lot more vocal about what i like
Luke: I can't even begin to approach delivering the level of pain you
like inflicted. That would scare me.
David Clark writes on ADT:
I don't know Alex Devine. Just like Melissa, who also WASN'T THERE
& only has gossip blaming the victim to offer. I only care about her
in the abstract as a fellow human being.
Reread her description of the scene. Continually punching her in the
soft spot on her head with a metal ring while she's begging him to stop?
& the "directors" become criminal accesories by not stopping this scene
but standing there videotaping it like Chuck Haidl's idea of some really
cool dudes?
That situation could have quite easily become literal snuff porn, just
like when Khan used to choke out the girls before he got scared off.
In this situation, "what's right for me isn't necessarily right for
you" is not on any level a logical or even sane response. If I think
it's okay to rape & dismember three-year-old children, or cheat people
out of their life savings a la Charles Keating, & you don't, do our
"opinions" carry equal moral value? Do we "agree to disagree," & do
you let me continue my destructive actions?
BASED ON HER OWN DESCRIPTION -- not to mention the proof of the trailer
& the words of those who seen this clever little gem of a video -- this
is NOT "overly rough sex." It's hatred, plain & simple. & the so-called
"directors" sat there, no doubt giggling, & let it happen. & now are
trying to profit from it. What a cesspool porn has become in some quarters
of the valley!
"She got paid to do the scene, now it's over"?
Where the hell do people like you come from, exactly?
Yankey Doodel writes: "There's a reason punching in back of the
head/neck isn't allowed in boxing, that's where the brain stem is."
Kami Andrews writes:
It's very easy to say what you would do in some one else's shoes but
the bottom line is your not. I know I have reacted differently in emergency
situations than I thought I would, my brother was in an accident and
when I called 911 I couldn't talk. If you had asked me prior how I would
have dealt with it that would not have been my answer. I think the natural
reaction to attack her for complaining is really sad, especially if
you are familiar with her body of work and realize she has never spoken
out before. Earlier in the thread some one said walk and speak out [and]
people will support you but the reality is this thread.
David
Clark Emails Me: 'Yes, Sometimes You Are An Irredeemable Dork'
Gee, this is the first time I've ever felt the need to call you sanctimonious
& perhaps a bit clueless, fellow navel-gazing scribe. It certainly IS
the abuse of women in porn that's at issue here -- & I'm angry on two
fronts. First, I'm angry that a portion of the community in which I
live & work are being treated in such a brutal, criminal manner without
check or any real censure. I may not personally know Alex Divine but
in a very real way she's my neighbor, & for me to not speak out in the
strongest possible terms would constitute turning a blind eye to suffering
& abuse right outside my door.
Then, on a more egocentric level, I'm angry that a form of art & entertainment
I've always been fascinated by & drawn to is becoming step by step nothing
more than -- at least in an alarmingly greater & greater portion of
the commercial arena -- exactly what Andrea Dworkin & her simple-minded,
one-sided ilk claimed it by definition must be. I always did & still
do sneer at the half-baked idea that sexually explicit depictions for
the sheer visual & sexual pleasure of it are somehow inescapably, intrinsically
"hate speech" against women. However, that's exactly what the bile expelled
by the likes of Khan & the Donkey
Punch grinning bullies constitutes. Not unlike some of your public
anger directed towards Holly when her actions inadvertantly make you
confront a weakness or need in yourself you'd rather not have to face,
porn made by & for people like this represents not a thing their own
self-hate & insecurity, externalized & aimed towards the most convenient
target -- in this case not Jews, Blacks, Arabs, homosexuals, what have
you, but women.
I'm angry that the decent, responsible members of this community who
go about their business &/or art every day in the most humane way they
know how are suffering, if not possible brain hemorrhages & the kind
of treatment that when committed upon animals earn the perpetrators
jail time -- an insult & a libel against who we are & what we it is
we say we do. I'm angry that it becomes that much more difficult not
only to present ourselves as responsible members of a humane, enlightened
society to others but to ourselves if we condone or, even worse, profit
from this kind of behavior. Porn, like professional sports, politics,
the entertainment industry. organized religion, law enforcement, etc,
can be a rough & tumble business, & as with any endeavor, not always
very pretty or perfect in its process. But though it might meet the
definition of the genre on the surface, this is no more "porn" than
images of Christ in bean dip on the local news is journalism, or blowing
up a Palestinian ice cream truck & the innocent young patrons surrounding
it is an act of "self-defense."
Using absolutely no viable criteria whatsoever, you're throwing out
a blanket statement as to what I and other porn "producers" have in
common, and do or don't have in common with "producers" of non-explicit
entertainment -- & I might note that certainly network reality shows,
for one, have more in common with Khan & the Donkey boys than certainly
either the Vivid style or what I do. Your thesis is negated thanks to
one simple fact -- by your own admission, you have not watched any of
our movies. To put it more simply, on this occasion you're doing nothing
but talking out of your smug, self-satisfied hypocritical ass. Your
narcissism is getting the best of you, I fear.
By the way, Luke, if you're going to insist on reducing what I do to
being a "producer," than may I from now on refer to you as a producer
of internet content as opposed to an essayist or journalist? At least
I have the qualification of having actually read much of your body of
work.
Dillan
Lauren Update
3/28/06
We discuss rough sex.
Dillan: "Do you hit girls when you have sex with them?"
Luke: "God no. Some girls like rough sex."
Dillan: "I can like rough sex. I like to be dominated but I like
to be dominated sensually and mentally. I might like to be choked but
you're not supposed to kill somebody. You can be rough without injuring.
Spanking is not supposed to leave bruises."
A Public Apology To Steve French
GripJohnson
(from Legend Productions and Chatsworth Pictures) writes on ADT:
Cram [Tony Malice] & I would like to issue a public apology to Steven
French. We regret the numerous death threats he has had to deal with
since his participation in Donkey Punch. The man can't even buy a croissant
in the mornings without being pelted with produce on the street by angry
adt & reallukeford posters.
We only thank God, Alex is missing bone from her head and her soft
brain provided cushion for Steven's punches. We couldn't live with ourselves
if he had suffered any nerve damage on his hand. So, on behalf of Cram
& myself, sorry, Steven. Oh, and don't worry, Cram says he knows a guy
who can restore the luster to your gold ring.
Mike South Vs. Donkey
Punch
Mike writes Mar 28, 2006:
I have been hearing about this video for a couple of months now but
didn't give it much thought until I read the gut wrenching story of
one of the participants. I mean not even I would have thought that they
were doing this for real, that it wasn't staged. And even if it was...how
f stupid do you have to be to foist this on the adult industry at this
time? Apparently you have to be as stupid as Jeff Mike, honcho at JM
Productions. Who released this abortion. When confronted about it JM
tried to pass it off as an "old release". One need only look it up on
the net to see it was released in Dec of 2005, Hardly an old release...
AVN reviews the DVD in the March issue and gives it 3.5 stars and an
overall good review saying " rougher than most, but consenting cast
is entertaining."
When I brought up the issue with Paul Fishbein, Head Honcho at AVN
he had this to say: "We won't review Donkey Punch movies anymore."
Indeed I sensed that this was something that "Fish", as he is affectionately
known, wasn't aware of, and understandably so, Im sure he doesn't read
every review and I believe the video may have presented itself as staged.
Even at that it shouldn't be something that we in this industry have
to deal with. I, for one, do not want my name associated with an industry
that would support this.
This is not free speech, this is aggravated assault and aggravated
assault is NOT protected free speech. So a BIG f--- YOU to JM Productions
for having no concern for fellow pornographers. If they want to be an
outcast I say fine, lets treat them as one. Distributors can refuse
to carry their product, retailers can refuse to buy it and industry
publications can refuse to sell them ad space. [Adultdvdempire.com refused
to stock it...good for them] And at the same time maybe all of the above
can avoid the criminal charges that may come from having it on your
shelves. Can we as an industry finally say "We may not know where the
line is but this has certainly crossed it"?
Donkey
Punch Was Here
Grip
Johnson writes on ADT Nov 30, 2005:
Chatsworth Pictures releases Donkey Punch Chatsworth, CA - Like tales
of UFO's and Big Foot, everyone has heard stories about the sex act
known as the ‘donkey punch.’ But, up until now, no one has ever seen
one.
On December 5th, Chatsworth Pictures will make believers out of everyone
with the highly anticipated release of Grip & Cram Johnson's Donkey
Punch.
"When you're a kid, the world is full of mystery and wonder," states
Cram Johnson. "But, as you get older, you realize all those mysteries
were crap. Santa Claus isn't real. Man didn't land on the moon. And,
no matter how many rubber masks they used to cover Belladonna's ugly
gap-toothed face, The Fashionistas was still just another shitty movie.
The world needs something to believe in."
Chatsworth Pictures answers that need with its second release, Donkey
Punch - a misogynistic masterpiece of terror and titillation.
"At first, I thought the ‘donkey punch’ was just another bedtime story
my father had told me as a child," reflects Grip Johnson, "But, just
as I was about to give up hope, I discovered that if you give women
lots of money and a chance to avoid any real work or responsibility,
they will let you beat the shit out of them. Cram and I began to document
this phenomenon immediately."
Chatsworth Pictures' well paid brigade of lawyers describe a ‘donkey
punch’ as, "A powerful blow delivered to the back of a ‘consenting’
woman's head during doggy style anal sex at the moment of male climax
for the sole ‘purpose of entertainment and fantasy,’ and is not meant
to encourage violence towards women nor be imitated by the viewer at
home. All performers are trained professionals with years of deep personal
domestic abuse under their belts."
With Donkey Punch, the Johnson Brothers look to court, not only fans
of graphically intense hardcore sex, but the much coveted 18 to death
age bracket of men wronged by evil women.
"Every time a woman f---s a man over, a copy of Donkey Punch will be
sold somewhere," asserts Grip. "We're the Dr. Phil of pornography. We
help frustrated men express their anger and hatred of women in a semi-healthy
manner."
"Really the sex is a framework for the violence," points out Cram.
"We could just have easily beaten them while they were knitting, but
it probably wouldn't sell as many copies."
Donkey Punch stars human punching bags Rachel Luv, Deja Daire, Alex
Divine, and Haley Scott. All scenes feature anal internal pop shots,
but no hole is off limit.
"If Steven French wants to f--- Alex Divine in a particular orifice
while punching her head with his ring-finger, who are we to ask him
to compromise his vision," adds Grip.
"It'd be like asking Da Vinci to use tempera on the Mona Lisa. Sure,
it would have worked, but it wouldn't have the lasting effect that makes
it priceless. Donkey Punch is going to leave a powerful impression on
our social psyche, as well as on Deja Daire's head. Nuff said."
http://www.chatsworthpictures.com/donkeypunch.jpg http://www.chatsworthpictures.com/donkeypunchtrailer.wmv
Distributors can order now by contacting chatsworthpictures.com.
American Hardcore posts: "We here at American Hardcore do not condone
violence in anyway nor do we support the negative treatment of women,
as we feel it promotes the wrong views in a present vitriolic administration.
However, this truly is the most important film to be made in recent years
and is one of the funniest things i have ever seen we here at AH say "Smack
those bitches up!" and thank god for CRAM AND GRIP."
Grip Johnson posts Dec 2, 2005: "For a bunch of masturbators, some
of you cats are wound up pretty tight! Donkey Punch is friendly violent
fun. And, no whore was dragged out of Sunday school to be in this movie
so you can jerk off to your heart's content When you all die, you all
will still get to that big ADT board in the sky. I promise. So relax.
Have a drink. Rent a movie tonight. If not Donkey Punch, then something
more romantic and sweet like Cum Shitters or Face Fuckers. Whatever tickles
your pickle, y'all. Oh, and, come January, keep an eye out for Grip &
Cram Johnson's Arch Enemies!!! Time to stock up on Kleenix and lotion,
Ramsey!"
ProKayaker writes Dec 12: "I watched it earlier today. It's not
my cup of tea, and I found Alex Devine's scene to be particularly disquieting.
I don't enjoy seeing women struck in the stomach (or elsewhere for that
matter) with a closed fist to be erotic."
p_ramezap writes: "But, if they take away the guys from this film
and made it a g/g film with similar roughness, then it would be a good
one."
Belladonna's husband Aidan writes: "But then you lose the whole
meaning of "donkey punch". What would be the point of donkey punching
a girl that has a strap-on inside her cunt? The giver would never feel
the affects uf it, rendering it just a punch to the back of the head and
nothing more."
American Hardcore posts Dec 27:
Donkey Punch is the greatest movie of our time. This feel good kind
of cinema is what best serves as a reminder that pornographers are people
too and also have feelings..... or feeling... or in this case help girls
feel a sharp thump to the medula oblongata. It's an endearing coming
of age film that will make you laugh and cry, but mostly cry.. only
not you.... the girls getting cheap shots to the snot box. I would recommend
this porn to anyone who wants to take an emotional rollercoaster ride
with cram and grip. The Cohen Brothers, the Watchowski brothers, the
Farelly Brothers and now..... Cram and Grip (who aren't even brothers)
but still those guys... who should be brothers because it makes it even
funnier...but i digress... When are we gonna see Beniffer in glazed
jelly doughnut?
Veronica Jett posts:
it does look quite entertaining. by watching the trailer, the girls
dont seem to be getting their skulls bashed in or anything. im not sure
what audience this movie will appeal to, but im sure there are some
sick bastards that have been waiting for a movie that is "bumfights"
meets porn.
Devinn Lane posts Dec 28, 2005:
My first thought was if this was a video that was in the running for
the "Worst Movie of the Year" title at XRCO. Hey, it's an award. Past
winners: Vomitorium, Fossil Fuckers, Watch Me Camp Bitch, You're Never
Too Old To Gangbang (can't even say this w/o laughing).
Too bad it's no longer a catagory at the awards because I'd love to
see these guys go up and get the award. The comedic/entertainment value
of it is priceless. My second thought: I wonder what's next. I'm neither
impressed or offended but intrigued by the content none the less.
David
Crawford posts Dec 1, 2005: "Guys remember have fun with it.
The word "HYPE" freaks me out a bit. It is just a fun fuck flick. It ain't
curing cancer. But I hear donkey punch from CP is."
Anyone ever heard of Chatsworth Pictures?
Ryan
Knox posts on ADT Feb 7, 2006:
I think this is a real company but they don't release titles very often.
Tony Malice, the guy that runs
XXXPorntalk supposedly heads the company in question. That guy really
talks a lot of shit about people in porn. What's to stop someone from
walking into his office right up to his face and giving him a good bitch
slap?
Why Did Extreme
Alex Do Donkey
Punch?
MyAdultGroups2
writes on ADT: "Alex couldn't walk away. I've been reading her
blog on MySpace.com and she has roommate problems and legal problems (no
driver's license, so she has transportation problems). She needed the
money."
Den writes:
My immediate action after reviewing Donkey Punch:
1> Had JM remove me from their screeners list.
2> Phone call to a major distributor and they pulled it immediately.
It is going to take some drastic action like a Porn Star getting hurt
on a set and/or one of the idiot guys being arrested and spending time
in jail before the industry wakes up!
Good news from AVN. It is about time they take a stand on this insanity!
Alex
Sanders Says He Invented Donkey Punch
"There's a way to do the donkey punch where it doesn't hurt the girl,"
said Sanders. "There's a way to do it. Every time I've done it with
the exception of once- twice- and the only reason why I ever punched
a girl in the head is because she wanted it."
Batman didn't think he could do that. "After 15 years, maybe, your
mind changes," Batman conceded.
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