Anabolic's Rough Sex Goes Too Far
Ridley99@aol.com writes on RAME: "Rough
Sex 2 " and every-RAMERs responcibility to speak out when they feel
something has gone too far. The adult movie bussiness must be held
accountable to the product it sells. Women should not be physically
and emotional abused. The argument that any Censorship is dangerous
and if you don't like it don't buy it, does not float here.
What is depicted in Rough Sex 2 is
wrong, it is also irresponcible and dangerous both to the porn industry
and the actresses involved. Self censorship is the only thing that
works, or has the porn world become a lawless entity where anything
goes as long as nobody gets hurt and people make f-ckin money.If
the porn world can not police its own house it is a certainty that
its house will be policed for it. 8 years under the administration
of the " first Rain-coater" is coming to an end. There will be no
Oval office Blow Jobs in the Gore whitehouse. And we all know Tipper
Gore is a fierce reactionary. Movies Like Rough Sex are an almost
perfect weapon for anti-porn activists. First of all its boxcover
is a perfect bill board for Dworkin and her she bitches to rally
around. Also magazine shows like" 60 minutes" or 20/20 can show
women getting slapped in the face or choked, something they couldn't
do with videos in which penetration is the main selling point. Do
not assume the courts will leave the Porn Industry alone forever,this
is foolish and Naive. I will give you an example :
I live in New York. New York was once
the world capital of sleaze. If you wanted it , no matter what it
was, it could be found on 42nd street as well as the 8th ave district
where Show World ( sigh ) held court. Show World had it all : live
sex acts, guys f-cking girls on stage, women getting it on with
each other, porn stars performing dildo shows asnd getting freaky
with the audience, etc,etc. Along comes Mayor Rudy Guiliani, in
his first term he broke 42nd street, raising the rents so high the
porn shops had to flee but it was in his second term that he really
went commando. He wrote laws that just about out lawed any kind
of sex scene in NYC. And it just about happened overnight. Strip
clubs were padlocked,stores that sold Porn tapes shut down. Do you
know what Show World is today? A f-ckin souverneir shop that sells
I love NY Tee- Shirts .Brothers, I am telling you the courts can
do anything they want. The courts could shut down the sex Biz in
one day, if they wanted too. And if you don't think the LAPD would
get their kicks shuting down porno sets ,then you just are not aware.
Under the first" Rain-coater" things
have been quiet, great, porn is more diversified and bigger then
ever, so why shouldn't we let sleeping dogs lie and police are own
house. Its not so much Rough Sex 2 that scares me as much as the
thought of Rough Sex 6, I mean really where does Ananbolic go with
this idea, Anabolic has chosen the hard rough sex angle with all
its videos and this is dangerous. Other videos can sell product
with a new pretty face such as Tara Patrick or Anastasia Blue, Ananbolic
is under different rules, it can only sell videos by ever increasing
the shock value of its product. It started with DPs, then Gang Bangs,
the Gangbangs become rougher, ass-licking was added, spitting, hair-pulling,
verbal Abuse and now the ultimate: real slapping and choking. So
where do they go from here. Another problem is the Talent, sure
right now they probably have some sick girls who enjoy this type
of treatment, but porn is voracious, it demands new girls, sooner
or later girls who do not like this treatment will be " forced"
into the part of punching bags. It is wise for Ananabolic to cut
this series now, since Anabolic only cares about profit I feel it
is up to every Ramer with a conscious to let them know how they
feel. I for one am an intelligent human being and I do not enjoy
seeing women Physically and emoptionally abused.
Sin City star Linda Thoren writes
on RAME: I agree. My x-boyfriend Tomas Edberg interviewed Jewel
Valmont last week in LA for the European magazine Cats. On the question,
if it was anything she regrets in her carrier, she said that, doing
this scene for Anabolic in Raw Sex #1, is the only thing she would
like to be undone. She was even forced to do things she had clearly
said she didn't want to do. (in Europe we call these things rape...)
I fear that Anabolic -- if they continue doing these kind of scenes
-- jeopardize the whole future of the Biz.
Brandy Alexandre writes: An interesting
thing to think about would be how porn legality was won. In the
Freeman decision, the victory centered around the performers being
actors for whom the graphic depiction of sex was an integral part
of their role. Now that the industry has turned predominantly to
Gonzo--tapes that is nothing but a collection of staged sexual encounters--I
wonder if the utter lack of any attempt at plot, story, and acting
is going to shed a whole new light on what is and is not prostitution
vs a porn performance that was produced during the Freeman era.
The prosecution was based on a definition
of prostitution and pandering that relied on the hiring of women
for personal sexual gratification, that was defended by the fact
that porn hired men and women to "work" with each other to produce
a teleplay. But now toss into the mix these little producers who
are, themselves, paying women to perform sex acts with them attempting
to wedge themselves under the same protective umbrella (I'm just
playing devil's advocate) under the guise of producing a teleplay
that obviously isn't by the lack of any script, story, plot or acting.
Doesn't this, then, create a gentle breeze that will tumble the
house of cards the industry has built over the last couple of years?
All it's going to take is one tape that someone finally says is
seriously offensive obscene, that doesn't have the protective elements
from Freeman, and that will be end of that.
Some producers would be hard pressed
to come up with stories that repeatedly required the serious abuse
of women who clearly didn't know what they were getting into.
Chaim Amalek writes: Luke, Ridley
is correct in his warning to porners. And for that very reason,
those who oppose commercial porn should cheer on the Max Hardcores
of the world as they spread gasoline all over their industry. On
the other hand, if you happen to like porn and feel a need for it,
then the coming changes do not auger well for you.
First, a few basic facts. Most Americans,
even most of those Americans who, from time to time, view porn,
do not care much for the industry itself, and they specifically
do not care for the men who have made their fortunes on the gaping
orifices and saliva and semen covered faces of the young, fundamentally
dumb women who are its backbone. Moreover, they would care a whole
lot less if it were brought to their attention just what sort of
pornography is being made these days. That it is not generally known
just how abusive some of this stuff has become is due in part to
the lack of a prominent politician with the smarts to see just how
much political hay could be made of this. All that is needed is
for someone of Giuliani's stature to take on the California-based
porn industry, targeting the most egregious of its exponents for
the initial attack, and you will see both conservatives and liberal
feminists joining forces as never before to "regulate", if not entirely
shut down, this industry.
Oh, I know what you social liberals
are thinking. You expect the first amendment to cover your behinds.
Listen up - we live in an age in which even basic political speech
can be anathematized as "hate speech" and, even worse, medicalized
as indicia of insanity in need of psychiatric treatment. (Just think
about what has happened to John Rocker.) Do you really think that
you will be able to hide behind the first amendment (the first and
last refuge of all scoundrels in this country) forever? Do you think
that a smart national politician like a Senator Rudy Giuliani would
be incapable of drafting meaningful, hard-hitting legislative attacks
on the porn industry that it cannot evade? Consider his success
in shutting down most of the commercial sex industry in hyper-liberal
New York City, using nothing more elaborate than the zoning laws,
and think again.
Cultural liberal elites have benefited
in recent years from having as president a man who is a wannabe
of theirs, and from the general stupidity of republican politicians
who might otherwise have used this against him. As soon as a smart
politician comes along who appreciates just how revolting many porners
are both as human beings and in what they do to young women to make
money, things will start to change very, very quickly in this country.
So, the bottom line is this. If you hate the porn industry, support
the "Max Hardcores" of the world and help rub America's nose in
PS If anyone wants to get the ball
rolling, he should contact Don Hewitt of 60 Minutes, Jerry Rivers
(Rivera), or some younger, hungrier journalist with some of the
particulars. As Ridley has noted, the story of the rise of blatently
misogynistic porn would be a very, very easy story to tell on television,
and certainly would garner very high ratings.
(And Luke, if you really were a journalist
with ambitions beyond coveering the world of masturbatorial video,
you would be contacting big media in New York yourself (LA's media
are too whore-like and intellectually weak for this purpose), and
push them to run with this story.)
Al writes: Hey Luke! I love your site
man ! I just came from the anabolic web site ,and I saw that Gangbang
girl #20 was no longer for sale. Knowing full well that some porners
would sell their own mothers , I have to ask. What gives? Do you
director of Anabolic's controversial series "Khan Tusion"
writes on the rec.arts.movies.erotica (RAME) newsgroup:
Until Linda Thoren’s post, I had refrained
from entering the debate concerning my video series, Rough Sex.
However, after reading Thoren’s thinly veiled accusation of rape,
I feel it is incumbent upon me to respond with the facts concerning
Jewel Valmont and Rough Sex in general.
Please note, that both proponents
and detractors of the line have generally been wise enough to understand
that all the participants are consenting and engaging in consensual
behavior. However, that is half the story. The other half is this:
I will not shoot anyone that is merely consenting, they must demonstrate
desire. That’s right, I could shoot dozens of ladies that would
do this series for the money. That’s not good enough for me. They
must want to engage in rough sex and I must be convinced they will
derive extreme pleasure from doing so. On a rare occasion, I am
fooled by a participant’s bonafides. When that happens, I (usually
not the participant) immediately halt the scene, pay the appropriate
kill fees and send everyone home. Under no circumstances am I interested
in engaging in any coeriscon to illicit any type of behavior or
As far as the objectionable behavior
in the Jewel Valmont scene (Rough Sex 1), these are the facts: Jewel
did indeed request that we do not call her “sh-thole”. She did agree
to wear a “sh-thole” collar and eat from a “sh-thole” bowl, but
did not want to hear those words uttered to her. Unfortunately,
one of the performers felt that this was a barrier that Jewel wanted
to overcome. He demanded that she refer to herself as a “sh-thole”
and she quickly responded. (After the scene, I profusely apologized
to Jewel and I additionally rewarded her two fold; 1) for my indiscretion
and 2) for an excellent scene. I continue to apologize to Jewel
about this incident whenever I see her) As an interesting side note,
following the “sh-thole” incident, Jewel (by her own admission)
then experienced between 5 and 10 orgasms. We tried to count, but
it was difficult as they were coming (no pun intended) fast and
furious. Let’s call it a baker’s dozen!
Now, for all you RAMER’s to think
that these women are choiceless and engage in Rough Sex to support
a drug habit, or additional dependents, let me tell you about Jewel
Valmont. She is drug and alcohol free, does not support dependents,
to my knowledge, and most importantly she is one the most beautiful
and desirable woman I know. She lives in a neighborhood that would
be recognized the world over as one of the best neighborhoods in
Southern California. She has an active social life outside of the
business, and as far as I am concerned, she could choose any number
of rewarding professions. She has chosen this one! She did not have
to do Rough Sex, she wanted to do it. She orgasmed over it, and
has discussed it with me on numerous occasions since its shooting.
You need more? I am happy to say,
because of the courage and vision of Anabolic’s founder and president,
Chris Alexander, I am inaugurating a new line at Anabolic (release
date, some time in February). Who was the first person that I wanted
to shoot? Jewel Valmont. She gave me an excellent scene and, as
always, was a great pleasure to work with. I look forward to Linda
Thoren’s appraisal of this coming series.
So my point is this, I have read with
great interest all the hoopla over Rough Sex, and I can recognize
that both sides make meritorious arguments. But, please try and
refrain from slander. After all, even us misogynist / human pieces
of vomit have feelings too. Luckily, Linda Thoren’s irresponsible
charge immediately showed up on L-ke F-ord, thereby completely discounting
And lastly let me state, that unlike
most people in this industry, I don’t use a variety of Internet
outlets to level threats of lawsuits and demands of apologies. I
just go on doing what I do. With that said, I don’t harbor any ill
feelings toward Linda Thoren, as a matter of fact, I would love
to shoot her in Rough Sex 3. To describe what occurred, as rape
is an egregious misrepresentation of the facts. A more appropriate
word that now applies might be “witch hunt.”
Diablo1504: Luke how do comments like
that make you feel? And how does Khan feel about his own comments
Luke: Diablo, I expect hatred for
my writing and sloppy site, so I take it in stride.
Luke: America's largest one-stop distributor,
GVA West, has refused to carry the Rough Sex series. GVA West owner
David Sturman has reportedly said, "We make love, not war."
This decision will put a strong damper on sales. When GVA speaks,
porners usually listen. A
few years ago, GVA demanded that Jon Dough redo a boxcover because
he put on it an uncomplimentary reference to a Jew.
Emmett writes: Jewel Vermont is a
sexy and strange woman. She did not object to wearing a "sh-t-hole"
collar or eating from a "sh-t bowel", but object to being a called
a "sh-t-hole"? You are what you eat right. Just joking, but seriously
how could she object to being called a name? It seems to me she
would hate wearing a collar and eating from a sh-t bowel more then
being called one. I guess someone use to call her sh-tty when she
was younger and she couldn't stand it. But in the film she seem
to like and respond to it. Weird.... Mr. Ford you should call her
up and ask her, "What's up?"
I think everyone is talking about
Rough Sex because... 1. They hated to see their favorite porn star
being roughed up. Who wants to see hot stars such as Monique DeMoan
and Mia Smiles getting treated like a Chinese Cockroach? No one.
I guess when this S & M reached porn major players, everyone wants
to say something. Just like everyone was talking about "Basic Instinct"
and "Eyes Wide Shut". Their were worst dirty scenes in other regular
movies then those two, but because it included Hollywood's best,
people started raising hell.
2. It happened to white women. This
stuff happened in black videos and no one said sh-t about! Beside
women like Mila and Aspen Brock were treated like trailer trash
in the "White Trash Whore" series. And S & M videos has been out
for decades, why is everyone trying to nominate Rough Sex as the
worst S & M movie in America. From what I read in magazines and
seen documentaries, their has been worse material then Rough Sex.
3. Their just jealous that Rough Sex
received an AVN award and they didn't. End of Story!
SethJ writes on RAME: How much further
is this going to go, and how long before conservative forces step
in? NOTHING is a given in this society. We're here living in the
umpteenth year of the billions-wasting "War On Drugs" year where
almost every cop, judge, and lawmaker believes they should just
legalize the sh-t, but no one has the guts to speak out on it. Despite
what we might feel, this society still has a conservative streak
a mile wide. What has been said about Rudy in NY is also true in
numerous smaller municipalities nationwide.
Believe me, it won't take much to
get a crusade going, whether it be grass roots or political. Look
at Columbine; now filmakers will be checking themselves every time
they film a scene that might be "disturbing." And that's not necessarily
a bad thing--I told another poster that self-checking is what generally
keeps the government off your back.
I'm sure a lot of guys like 'Rough
Sex' but it's exactly the sort of thing that can land on congressional
radar. Also, what are most people saying is most important to them
this election? "Values", a nebulous thing to be sure, but since
it is so vague, that means you go after the most obvious things,
meaning of course, porn. A common argument is that "everybody has
their own thing". Fair Enough. From straight sex to "crushing",
everybody's got something they love that seems out there to someone
else. True. What's being forgotten though is that not everything
that "floats your boat" is LEGAL.
Child porn is just "something some
guys like" right? And guess what; they're doing 20-30 years for
it. Many feel that they would love to see the legal age lowered
to say, 16. (hell, how many guys get prosecuted for getting a 13
or 14 year old pregnant?)
And what does this say about a viewer?
And what about where it stops? Do we start getting into wrestling-style
fake blood next? Out and out violence against women without the
sex even? I understand that videos like these were made in Serb
rape camps during the Bosnian War. Is that what's next here? IMHO,
there's a pretty fine line twixt sex and violence. If the chick
is in any way portraying that it's forced sex, it's violence (IMHO.
and yes I said portrayal, doesn't matter real or not to me). I think
I can safely say no one here wants to be accused of being a front
for the Christian Coalition, but the fact is, we have all limits
on things we're allowed to do, whether self-imposed or external,
and something like RS simply goes against those sensibilities.
Fresh from a whipping at the hands of Tina Tyler, I interviewed
"Rough Sex" director "Khan Tusion" Sunday night
by phone. As his email to RAME showed last week, he's intelligent
and well able to verbally defend himself. Khan Tusion entered porn
around 1992, and has worked principally for Annabolic.
Khan: "You know my disposition
over what I am about to undertake."
Tusion, like many porners, was wary
of talking to me. I'm usually nicest when talking to first timers,
because I want to get our possible relationship off to a good start.
Once you get to know someone, you learn how much you can stretch
This, however, is not the first time
"Khan Tusion" and I have crossed paths though I do not
remember the first time. Suffice to say, Khan is not favorably disposed
towards me, and regards me as an "anti-porn activist."
Khan: "Both our reputations precede
us. I hope that I am able to surprise you positively and I hope
also to be surprised. I don't know if that will happen, but if it
does, it will restore an inkling of my faith."
Luke: "Cool. Has the furor over
Rough Sex surprised you?"
Khan: "Yes it has. And it is
absolutely preposterous. The criticism from the RAMERs is not unexpected
and I consider it valid. I think that many of the people are fearful
that this might inhibit their ability to purchase or view pornography.
And I can understand that fear. And the others are First Amendment
honchos, and that is also a valid argument.
"The criticism from within the
industry is absolutely shocking. It is so hypocritical that I am
getting vertigo. It is pathetic."
Luke: "People in the industry
are scared that you are the perfect fodder for anti-porn activists,
therefore you endanger the way they make a living."
Khan: "Are you an anti-porn activist?"
Luke: "No, but I am no booster
of the porn industry."
Khan: "I consider you an anti-porn
activist. And I don't begrudge you one bit for it. As a matter of
fact, I think it is a noble position to take. I really do. And for
those people in the industry who feel that this specific movie is
going to bring a pox on their house, it is ridiculous. If this movie
did not exist, there are probably six to seven thousand of the eight
thousand videos put out annually that are offensive and horrifying
to 90% of people in America. The ten percent who do not believe
they are horrifying, 90% of those people would never admit it. The
reason that there is peace and tranquility in the production of
pornography is that there has been a sleeping spell with the powers
that eventually might attempt to eradicate it. For them to blame
me is ridiculous.
"The criticisms from outside
the industry are more meritorious. Because they're not manufacturing
it. They're just viewing it and they're fearful for their viewing
"In addition to the public criticisms
that we've read on your site and on Gene Ross's site, there are
some private criticisms that I've heard that I am certain are going
to be made public soon. Let me give you an example. Patrick Collins
[owner of Elegant Angel Video] believes that this is a horrible
horrible thing and that we are terrible people over at Anabolic.
This is the same gentleman who takes our titles and knocks them
off practically verbatim. For instance, his Gang Bang Angels [taken
from Anabolic's Gang Bang Girl line]. He believes that that is going
to be acceptable to some type of municipality or state or federal
government that doesn't care for pornography? He's dreaming. It's
not going to happen. When the giant awakes, we're all going to be
swatted. I might be swatted first, but we're all going."
Luke: "How much private reaction
have you had?"
Khan: "Horrible. Terrible. It's
so hypocritical... People in the industry are extremely critical.
And I believe that the basis of that criticism is two fold. One,
it's based on economic jealousy. Anabolic is measurably more successful
than the other companies. So consequently we make a fine target.
For Rodney Moore to criticize us. He thinks this is degrading to
"And by the way, I do believe
that this is terrible and degrading to women. I also believe that
squirting half a quart of semen on to a girl's face and having her
walk down Ventura Blvd has a degree of degradation. Degradation
drives the business. And I think that you know that. That is why
you are who you are. You understand that's what drives the business
and so here we all are. In the degradation business unfortunately."
Luke: "What numbers are you selling
of Rough Sex?"
Khan: "They are astounding...
There's not a porno company in the world that wouldn't flip over
Luke: "I heard that GVA West
won't handle it. How about other branches of GVA [porn's largest
Khan: "There have been some companies
that have refused to handle it. I don't begrudge them. It's free
"Anabolic's success is due to
their impeccable desire for quality. The founder Chris insists on
certain things, like excellent production values, a certain quality
performer... I think this [Rough Sex] is a step further than they've
gone. And that's because I've directed it. It is something that
I have experience in and it is something that I am familiar with.
"I've been reading the criticism.
I've read Rebecca Bardoux's criticism that this is terrible and
people go to jail for this. This is a lifestyle, Luke. There are
people that participate in this. They get pleasure from it. I have
simply documented it. That's all. Nothing more... Now they're going
to try to make some big deal that we do something terrible to the
girls, by bringing Regan Starr to the forefront.
"That charge can only be described
as adolescent buffoonery. We have a videotape of what occurred.
She claims that she had the sh-t knocked out of her. We have a videotape
that disputes that. She claimed that this went on and on and on.
"I made an error with Regan Starr.
I did not want to shoot her. She insisted to me that this was her
lifestyle. She insisted to me that she enjoyed it. And she insisted
to me that she did this at home. On the telephone, I was fooled
100%. The day of the shoot, when I met her, I made a judgement that
I did not want to do the shoot. She implored me to go forward and
against my better judgement, we did. And we only shot for six minutes.
Two minutes and thirty seconds of which the action was centered
on her. And then we cut the scene.
"And for people to say, 'Oh,
you're forcing girls to do this.' That's ridiculous. And somewhere,
somehow the accurate story will come out. There was the charge earlier
brought by Linda Thoren that certain things happened that are termed
Linda Thoren wrote: "My x-boyfriend
Tomas Edberg interviewed Jewel Valmont last week in LA for the European
magazine Cats. On the question, if it was anything she regrets in
her carrier, she said that, doing this scene for Anabolic in Raw
Sex #1, is the only thing she would like to be undone. She was even
forced to do things she had clearly said she didn't want to do.
(in Europe we call these things rape...) I fear that Anabolic --
if they continue doing these kind of scenes -- jeopardize the whole
future of the Biz."
Khan: "Well, the victim of that
so-called rape has already disputed Linda Thoren's account of it
and has continued to work for me subsequent to that and will work
for me again.
"I don't know what you and Gene
Ross do. I'm a big First Amendment guy. I respect the fact that
you can print anything you want. Yet when someone like Linda Thoren
writes that, it is incumbent on you or Gene to say, 'What about
the fact that the girl was disputing your charges? Do you want to
elaborate? Do you want to stand by it?' It's dangerous stuff and
you've admitted that you've been hurtful to people in the past for
this exact kind of thing. And I believe that if you could do it
over again you might undo a few of the things that you have done."
Khan: "It is frustrating. And
I believe that most of the criticism is because of the origin of
the tape - Anabolic Video."
Luke: "So if Elegant Angel released
this tape, there would not be as much criticism?"
Khan: "They're doing it now.
I went into the store... First, I'm a fan and I rent videos. And
second, I went in to peruse the competition. And I see Elegant Angel's
knockoff Gangbang [Angels]... Considering Patrick's recent history,
I'm sure the movie was directed by either his gardener, or by his
maid's boyfriend. And the big hook on the movie is 'Shot in a real
frat house.' I guess that makes the sex better.
"So I turn over the box and see
an interesting thing. It's starring a woman named Miko Lee. And
they gleefully write on the back of the box 'She likes it rough.'
And they show a picture of Mr. Marcus choking her, with a grimace
on her face. I haven't seen the movie so I can't say what exactly
is taking place. But I know Mr. Marcus. He's a friend of mine. I
have an idea what took place but I didn't want to bother renting
it... After criticizing us, they're inmitating us."
Luke: "Where do you want to go
with this series?"
Khan: "I wrote in response to
Linda Thoren: 'Even us misogynist / human pieces of vomit have feelings
too.' Frankly, considering what is going on, I'm going to rethink
it and take a break. I've spoken to Chris at Anabolic and I'm going
to at best, put this on long hiatus and at worse, I might do something
Luke: "Is porn your fulltime
Mike South writes: "Some [porn]
chick will file criminal assault charges and sue the ass off of
Bardoux writes: Luke, What has happen to this so called porn
industry? I remember when we watched each others backs, when we
respected ourselves because no one else did. When there was quality
people infront and behind the camera. When innocent people went
to jail, and we had to watch everything we did on tape, so not to
get the distributor in trouble. I remember when shooting a Caught
from Behind Installment Ron Jeremy was not allow to watch three
girls together in the video without letting us know, because of
the so called law. No objects that where not made for sexual use
where allow to be inserted. I recall trying to present a positive
products to the consumer, after all weather you believe it or not
we are educating the public about sex. So I wonder how these people
will feel when their daughter comes home one day after having the
sh-t beat out of her all in the name of sex that they saw on a porno
tape, or when she is found dead. If any of you remember at the 99
AVN Awards the speech that Larry Flynt gave. Someone needs to press
charges against these people and any girl that would allow a man
to beat her up that badly should search professional help for her
I have become disgusted with this
industry, which for me is very sad, for years I have stud up for
this industry trying to get respect and let people see that alot
of us are very wonderful people. Luke, what do we do this industry
has become the scum of the earth. I thought I would never say this
but maybe it's time to shut it down for the well-being of people
that watch it. I'm also thinking that someone needs to go to the
authorities and express this concern. It's getting like the hip
hop industry where they are killing their own and loving it. I pray
everyday that someone will stop this, but everyday I hear more sh-t.
Are these people stupid enough to believe that minor that are very
impressionable are not watching these movies and thinking that is
proper behavior? Do any of them read a newspaper and see all the
minors doing so much damage because they saw it done in TV, movies
etc. If it means turning our own people in maybe that's the answer.
This behavior is just wrong weather you get away with it or not.
There are men in jail for behaving this way, why is it ok for the
Emmett writes: Dear Ms Bordeaux,
Even though I did not live during
the sixties and practically the seventies as well, I agree and empathize
with you. During the early days of Ron Jeremy, people fought for
their freedom of expression and it had meaning. Almost parallel
to the issues of Afro-Americans around that time. People fought
what they believed for and suffered to make what is now legal today.
And this new generation, labeled X, (my generation) is just f-cking
everything up that our parents fought and suffered for. I empathize
how you feel. I would have loved to had live during those time when
people f-cked and enjoyed themselves without worrying about the
next day (Is that why porno was alledgely so high in drugs and booze
like I saw in the classic Boogie Nights?). Today killer viruses
(HIV, AIDS, Hepatitis C, etc.) is wrecking porn, as well as the
constant fighting (verbally and physically). At least you can carry
the memories like Ron Jeremy does about the good old days.
Greg Zeboray, insurance agent at zeboray.com,
writes: "I've been trying to stay off the internet, but Rebecca
Bardoux's letter deserves a comment: Rebecca, is - in many cases
- right on the money with her comments. The business today is 180
degrees opposite of where it was 4 or 5 years ago. My perception
of the problem is overabundance. Today there are way too many shooters
and way too many performers, and very few of them are making any
money. This has resulted in producers pushing the envelope further
and further in the hopes of generating revenue, and talent working
for less while doing more just to get work. Rebecca, you know what
the talent are earning today and what is expected of them, and you
know how bad it really is.
"Will this problem solve itself?
I don't believe it will. In today's climate new shooters pop up
everyday, and the line of girls wanting into porn is growing by
the day. The only solution I can see is if and when talent organize
themselves. The talent need to set the guidelines of what is and
is not acceptable, and what is a minimum fee they will work for.
By doing this, the non-profitable producers will be forced to go
away leaving the strong to survive and flourish. Same will apply
to talent: those who work hard and hustle will survive, and those
who sleep all day waiting for the phone to ring will go without
work. Believe me when I say I don't like to see anyone fail, but
a few failures sure beats the whole industry going away!
"I will close with this: In my
opinion, things are going to get far worse before they get better,
and the only group capable of turning the tide is the talent themselves.
Hopefully in the near future they will recognize this and do something
about it. They are the most powerful group in porn - they've just
never been told of their power."
Fred Flinstone writes: "So Mr.
Zeboray thinks that the talent should organize. I can't imagine
a group of people less likely to form a union. Perhaps my thinking
is tainted by reliance on an unjustified stereotype, but these are
people who do what they do precisely because they lack initiative.
"Can you imagine all of the members
of the Adult Screen Actor's Guild protesting outside of the Anabolic
headquarters holding signs saying "Anabolic Guilty of Unfair Labor
Practices"? Can you imagine needing to get a union card to act in
a dirty movie? Should it be called the Adult Screen Actor's Guild?
Perhaps the International Brotherhood (Sisterhood? Personhood?)
of Erotic Entertainers? The mind boggles at the possibilites.
"Luke--here's a new calling for
you. You can become the Ceasar Chavez of porn! You can travel the
length and width of the San Fernando valley (it's a hell of a lot
easier than the San Juaquin Valley, and the weather is a lot better),
handing out leaflets and organizing rallies. Demand that all of
the major studios (Vivid, VCA, Anabolic, etc.) sign contracts with
your union. You can demand an NLRB (National Labor Relations Board)
election. Actors and Actresses of the Valley, unite! You have nothing
to lose but your chains!
"Wow--you'll be remembered as
another John L. Lewis or Samuel Gompers (or Jimmy Hoffa?)! Hey--it
can't be any tougher than being an Internet Journalist, can it?
(Actually, all kidding aside, I seem to recall that strippers in
San Francisco have been either trying to organize a union, or have
organized a union. What's the status of that?)"
NJG replies: "Fred, who lives
in San Jose, is completely unaware that the dancers in San Francisco
are organized. The Mitchell Brothers, New Century, Lusty Lady, etc.
are all unionized. And, yes Fred, there is a lot more organizing
being done here. You have to think that the conditions are so bad
that people are organizing. That is what is done throughout history
Fred. People working in porn are workers, and like workers throughout
history, they organize for better working conditions and wages.
There are places on-line such as the exotic dancers alliance. When
women who do gangbang/bukkake videos make a paltry $250, I say it's
time for a union."
Mad Jack writes Emmett: "Dude:
What grade are you in, and does mommy still pack your lunch for
you??? I've been reading your lame comments for quite awhile and
I'm sure that everyday you THANK GOD that Luke will print pretty
much ANYTHING from ANYONE...I'm sure when you're not online you're
busy spanking it to our movies and wishing that you could actually
be a part of OUR world...But it's comments like those you made about
Gina Rider's ex that make REAL industry people remember why we have
OUR OWN functions, not usually open to the general public.....Glad
you found your public forum, but spare us the childish, sexist comments."
Kianna Bradley, a Metro contract girl,
writes: I must comment about the Rough Sex video line by Anabolic.
That if you don't like it, don't watch it!!!!! , Yes something different.
People fear what they don't understand. I am on the cover of Rough
sex 2 and I happen to enjoy rough sex if I am in the mood. As for
Anabolic not informing the female talent about the intensity and
the female degradation, it is bullsh-t! it took four days for them
to hire me. They made me fully aware of what the scene would consist
of. They even gave me the first "rough sex" video to have me watch
so there would be no misunderstanding. After the fact, I must say
watching the video was much more intimidating than doing the actual
scene. During the filming of the scene, the director and producer
were asking if I was all right and if I wanted to continue. At no
time did I have the feeling that I was being pressured to keep going
on with the scene or what they expected next. Everything in the
video was real I did drink piss and cum out of a wine glass. All
I am trying to say is that I am sure that all the female talent
was made aware of what was going to happen in the scene. Anabolic,
in my opinion is one of the more up front, honest and giving companies
I have ever worked for. (well, besides METRO. hehe.) Love, Kianna
P.s. Why can't we all just get along.
I hope that anabolic keeps making the videos and if I was not signed
with Metro I would do it again.
Emmett writes: "Dear Kianna Bradley,
Try not to get too soaking pissed, but are you kissing Anabolic's
ass for money? Not many women enjoy getting the sh-t beat out of
them and then get f-cked silly as a bonus for putting up with the
abuse. So this only leads to three things.... you actually do like
getting abused, Anabolic is paying you under the table to have you
say good sh-t about them, or your just saying all this bullsh-t
because the pay was good and you want Anabolic to re-use you again
in their other films. I say the last two sound dead on the money.
Sadly enough if the last two are true you would certainly not reveal
it to the public until you are done with porn. I guess we have long
time to wait to hear the real truth to why you are backing Anabolic
Kianna Bradley replies to Emmett:
"O.k now I can't understand such simple minded people like
Mr. Emmett. Why is it so hard to believe that someone actually likes
Rough sex? I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was not by any means raped!!!!!!!
I did what i enjoy, and you can ask also my former husband(Earl
Slate) if that is not true. No he is not a women abuser by any means,
but he enjoyed satisfying me, and I apologize to Mr. Emmett if he
is not, nor ever could be, secure in his self or have the women(
or man) he loved, and loved, him feel safe enough to trust him with
something that sexual and intence. Anabolic is NOT promoting rape,
for gods sake people What is S and M ??????????????
"I give Anabolic props for having
The guts to do something people are afraid of.No one had to do it.
( PERIOD) I dont give a damn what everyone wants to believe, because
opinions are like assholes we all have one!!!!! And Mr Emmett as
far as the money, well Metro pays me good enough, and as far as
the trying to get more jobs with Anabolic, I'm signed Exclusivly
with Metro!!!! So I guess now all you have left to belive is I enjoy
being abused? I guess so. If that is what you choose to believe
than so be it. But you know what? I wouldn't have done it if I didn't
want to!! and by the way I enjoyed the hell out of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I have problems you say? DON"T WE ALL?????????? I have alot of
respect for Chris, Greg, and Khan,it would not be selling if there
was not a market now would it? And as far as the women go that think
it is so wrong, Anabolic is not asking you to do the movie!!!! It
was all very very safe and handled very professionally!! OOpps am
i kissing ass again? well you know I have licked ass, sucked ass,
drank piss, and probably done alot more than that, so WHATEVER!!!!!!!!
Thanks again for listening Luke peace out MUCH MUCH LOVE KIANNA
Luke: The director of Rough Sex uses
the name "Khan Tusion." A tusion mean: "An injury
in which the skin is not broken; a bruise."
Khan Tusion is not Biff
Malibu aka Christopher Alexandre, owner of Anabolic.
Regan Starr told about Rough Sex: "This was absolutely real. I could
not finish this scene. It was absolutely terrible. It was an atrocity.
This is the worst line ever put out there. It's right up there with
"Mickey was not being false about
it. He was hurting the girls. He was given the green light to hurt
the women for the effect of the video. I was told before the video
that, and they said this very proudly, mind you, Mark and Christopher
made it aware to me that in this line most of the girls start crying
because they're hurting so bad.
"When they started the video,
I was absolutely amazed that they were literally trying to hurt
me and make me cry. I started crying. I couldn't breathe. I was
being hit and choked. I was really upset, and they didn't stop.
They kept filming. You can hear me say turn the f-cking camera off
and they kept going." (From )
Jim Gunn plans to outdo Rough Sex.
He writes on PST: "And I am putting my $ where my mouth is
since I have a movie in pre-production that takes their idea one
step further- very non-politically correct.
"The reality is this poses a
real threat to the biz. But on principal you have to support them."
Mike South: "I agree with all
that but the facts are I may be made to pay for THEIR transgressions
and it is not settling well with me."
Pipe Interviews Rough Sex Director
Roger Pipe (RP) of www.rogreviews.com:
I'm are here at the Anabolic offices with director Khan Tusion.
We are going to start by discussing a new line that you have coming
Khan Tusion (KT): This is a line that has been on
the books for about two months. The release date on the first one
is either February 7th or February 15th. It's call 'Oral Consumption'
and is an all oral line. It will compete, and I hope that the word
compete is not appropriate because compete means that there are
actually equal competitors on the field, with the other blowjob
tapes out there, Dr. Fellatio, Cocksmokers and the like. But, we
have done something different. Chris has an enormous amount of vision
and courage and has allowed me to pursue something that I think
is missing in pornography and that is shooting real sex. I would
say that ninety eight percent of things that you view are fine,
but not real. The interviews are staged, the scenarios are staged
and that doesn't appeal to me personally. I have directed a line
that I believe will appeal to segment that is really interested
in the heart and soul of the ladies that we are all jerking off
RP: Why did you decide to make your new line an oral
line as opposed to a straight sex or gonzo line?
KT: First of all there is a lot of verbalization in
the line and it takes place during the sex. Frankly, an oral line
acclimates itself to that. I am holding the camera and I am literally
face to face with the young ladies so I can ask her questions and
make certain inquisitions. The questions aren't like 'what's your
sign' or 'what's your favorite color.' Some of them are quite odd
and at inappropriate moments. What they are there for is to elicit
a real response so you can see a real person. I wasn't interested
in doing that during a sex line because there is too much going
on. In the oral line, whether the young lady is sucking cock, eating
butthole or licking feet, I am right there in front of her and always
able to communicate with her.
RP: Are we going to see you in this line, or are you
staying strictly behind the camera?
KT: You will hear my voice, but you will not be able
to see me. With this interview, you have the rare pleasure of seeing
me in person. You can see that if I were to ever perform in front
of the camera, it would probably diminish sales by eighty to ninety
RP: I do keep waiting for the horns to pop out of
your hat. (Khan removes his baseball cap.) Contrary to popular belief,
no horns. And no hair. I was going to make a joke about being late,
that I was busy getting the horns filed down so as not to scare
RP: Who are some of the stars in the first 'Oral Consumption?'
KT: I would love to shoot all fresh girls if I could,
and did have the pleasure of shooting one young girl who has never
done anything before. I shot some girls who you don't see very often.
There are also a few well known names. Jewel Valmont, contrary to
incredible rumor, is continuing to work with me. She might even
say that she thinks I'm a bit of a cutie. You are going to see a
nice mix. There are fourteen girls in every movie. Each scene will
run between five and fifteen minutes each, but will average out
at about ten minutes each. Most every scene will incorporate a multitude
of popshots. There are a few singles, but a lot of doubles and triples.
There are a few established stars, as I said. In the first one I
would say Jewel Valmont is the most well known. There is a new girl
named Kurious who is great in it. Kianna Bradley is another well
known actress who is in it, as well as a slew of unknown talent.
RP: I hear a few names there of people who have worked
for you before, so they are coming back for more?
KT: Yes, some of them are coming back. It's the battered
wife syndrome, they want to get away, but they just can't.
RP: Do you have any plans for a third series, or do
you have your plate full with the existing two?
KT: Well, I guess you wanted a scoop, so I'm going
to give you one. At this time, I am not shooting any scenes for
'Rough Sex 3.' As a matter of fact, to call it back burned would
probably be the most flattering assessment of it right now. There
is a reason for that. Specifically, until we can sort out how we
are going to be able to convey to all of those people that purchase
our product and those who don't purchase our product, that this
is a legitimate enterprise, and hopefully this interview will help
me do that, I am personally not interested in being flogged. I'm
more interested in flogging women. So, consequently, right now I
am not shooing Rough Sex scenes and frankly I don't know if that
will ever happen. The new line I have coming up is a sex line. We
don't have a title for it yet. It incorporates that which I am good
at, and that is shooting, and I don't want to sound like a terrible
person, but shooting women as objects. I am trying to convey that
it is a segment of the pornography world that not only exists, but
is quite popular. There is nothing wrong with it if the person on
the receiving end, whether it be degradation or whatever, receives
gratification from it. It's something that they practice in their
everyday lives. We are going to shoot sex scenes that incorporate
that and hopefully it will have as much impact as 'Rough Sex' did.
RP: I don't that anything has had as much impact as
'Rough Sex' recently. Was 'Rough Sex' the first thing you ever directed?
KT: I have been an assistant director for Chris at
Anabolic for six or seven years. I had and idea for the first line.
Actually, before we get into that, I'd like to show you some of
the stuff from 'Oral Consumption.'
(We settle in at the editing monitors to watch a few
I want you to be candid with me. This isn't going
to be something that appeals to everyone. It is important to me
to be interesting. I am a porn consumer, I've been watching porn
for twenty five years. Ninety percent of it is banal. That's all
there is to it. Someone mentioned to me that you're a bit of a porn
hisotorian and as such, this will have some impact on you. Twenty
years ago, for us to see a DP was earth shattering. I'm being very
candid with you, you couldn't keep the semen contained in your ballsack.
This girl was such a whore, my God, look at what she's doing. Now
that's so commonplace that it no longer holds any interest. I am
going to tell you what I believe the secret to my pornography and
pornography in general is. I believe that in order to be exhilaratingly
erotic, the woman has to exhibit some shame. It's become a shameless
business. I get these girls and I say we want thirty five guys to
f-ck you in the ass and she says fine and if you want to you can
just back a truck up into my ass. There is no shame. I found a little
shame and I believe that it's erotic.
(We sit down and watch the title sequence for 'Oral
Copulation' which shows a mix of some of the verbal exchanges that
will fill the movie, followed by a three guy scene with Kurious
where she is probed at all the wrong times during her somewhat shameless
display of dick, ass and toe sucking.)
KT: OK, what did you think?
RP: This is does not look like your average blowjob
tape. It's very different.
KT: I appreciate you saying that.
RP: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you
were shooing for something different. Do you watch a lot of other
KT: Yes I do.
RP: Sum up what is missing from the others in one
KT: What we talked about earlier. Reality. Most of
the blowjob tapes are products of expediency. They can shoot a girl
blowing some guy right in the edit bay, shoot ten scenes and make
a tape out of it. There is not thought in them. Why even have a
girl? Why not have an anamatronic or a Pixar assimilated figure.
These girls have no soul, but they do have soul if you pay attention
to what you're doing. If you can draw that out, it becomes erotic.
There are a few people who are actually good at it, but I don't
want to mention their names because they have been bashing me so
I don't want to compliment them.
(He then cues up a scene with a rather shy first timer.)
This is very interesting, the girl was there for the
dough. She and her boyfriend figured as long as they are f-cking,
they might as well do it for money. I'm shooting her and I ask her
to masturbate. She said she can't do that in front of people. This
is a girl who ate ass, for the first time in her life, took a money
shot and I asked her if she would drink piss. She even agreed to
do that for a couple hundred bucks. With all that, she won't masturbate
in front of us. It was incredible and that is what pornography should
be. The girl isn't that hot in the scene, but she was just incredible.
It was wonderful. At least I think so. I'm my own biggest fan. I
happen to think I'm a good f-cking pornographer. Now we can go to
Bunny Luv. She is fabulous, completely unaffected until you work
something out of her. (www.rogreviews.com)
(We watch a popshot with Bunny which somehow manages
to, in fact, effect her.)
OK Rog, now you've had a taste, fire away.
RP: It's certainly unlike anything on the market.
KT: Good, that's what I want to do.
RP: There is a lot of dialog in this, like in your
other work. You seem to be trying to open the girls up a bit.
RP: Why do you think that's important?
KT: It's important to me personally because of what
I've viewed in pornography over the last twenty five years. One
of the things that has been missing for me in my personal jerk off
experiences has been the identity and soul of the young ladies doing
pornography. Let's be candid with each other, this is a shameful
profession and that's what makes it erotic and unique. A lot of
the porn that I see has lost sight of it. That's why I try to talk
to them and draw them out. I let lots of things go and will ask
a small and poinent question at an awkward time so that they are
defenseless and you get an honest response. The reason I do it is
because it gives me a hard on and hopefully it gives someone else
a hard on as well.
RP: When will this tape be out?
KT: Early February.
RP: All right, we have to talk about 'Rough Sex' because
everyone is. From the internet, to Geneross.com to Al Goldstein
at the AVN Awards, you are the topic on everyone's tongue. Just
so we start out with all our cards on the table, I have seen both
'Rough Sex' movies and reviewed number two this week. They are not
my cup of tea at all, not even remotely close. I can appreciate
that. In the review however, I did point out that your movies are
well lit, well shot, with good looking performers and from what
I have seen, they are better technically than anything of it's kind.
So, while I certainly don't like the tapes, I give them credit for
what they are. That's all I can ask for. The first person within
the industry I heard take shots at you was Goldstein at the AVN
Awards. Were you there or did you hear what he said?
KT: I am quite familiar with what he said.
RP: What are your thoughts?
KT: My honest appraisal is this. For some reason,
'Rough Sex' has garnered an unwarranted amount of attention and
criticism. There are between three and eight thousand movies released
each year and I'm pretty proud of my work, but it ain't that good.
It's not the kind of movie that is just so exceptional or pathetically
gross that it should warrant that sort of attention. I think two
things have contributed to this attention. The first is that 'Rough
Sex' was released by Anabolic, and there is an enormous amount of
economic jealousy in the porno world. I think that Anabolic falls
victim to most of it and there is a reason for that. The president
and founder of Anabolic, Chris Alexander has two qualities that
do not endear him to anyone in the porn business. He is brutally
honest to a fault and will always tell the truth. Number two, he
doesn't kiss anyone's ass. I have told him on numerous occasions
that he needs to lie and kiss ass more and we won't have any problems.
That's not his nature. That those are amazing attributes. I wish
I had them, but I don't. I have been in a lot of different worlds
in my life and have yet to find anyone with his level of morality.
As odd as that might sound it happens to be the case. So, 'Rough
Sex' has garnered this unwarranted attention because it was released
by Anabolic and that's unfair for this simple reason. The number
one criticism of this movie is that it is going to bring down a
curse on the house of porno. That 'Rough Sex' will be the straw
that breaks the camel's back, that 'Rough Sex' as a singular piece
of work at a moment in time is the piece that galvanized all the
anti-porn forces across the country and will destroy pornography
as we know it is a pathetic assumption and evaluation of the reality.
Will the house of porn come down? Maybe. Why would that be? Perhaps
we'll have a new administration. Perhaps there will be a new Justice
Department and perhaps that Justice Department is going to go after
pornography. If it does, I can assure everyone that it's not because
of 'Rough Sex'. Of the eight thousand tapes that are put out, I
would say that ninety percent of the people in the United States
of America would find those as abhorrent and objectionable. Of the
ten percent that are jerk offs like myself, I would say that ninety
percent of them would never admit it. There is not going to be any
groundswell of support for pornography when someone comes after
us. When they come after us, it's not going to be because of me,
it's going to be because all of us. I don't want to talk about anyone
specifically, but I'll mention one scenario. I have had some criticisms
from another pornographer, someone that I happen to admire and his
hook is for young girls to walk around on public streets, with their
faces covered in semen. I happen to think that's terrific, but I
can assure that those people who find 'Rough Sex' objectionable
are certain to find that objectionable as well. It's just not fair.
RP: The same people who are criticizing you, are letting
plenty of other potential lighting rods slip by. This year, we had
performers stating that they are twelve years old in scenes. There
were women with their heads shoved into ovens, Christ figures sodomized
by priests, yet the critics let them slide. I may not understand
B & D or find it sexually appealing, but it is a legitimate sexual
lifestyle, but personally, I can't see how your movie can be so
vile and appealing to pedophiles is all right. Does their hypocrisy
make sense to you?
KT: It makes no sense for a number of reasons. The
first reason is that what I am portraying in my movies is an absolutely
legitimate lifestyle enjoyed in every corner of this country. I
happen to know that because I have been living it for twenty five
years. The critical issue here that people are missing is that I
am not shooting in people who are just in it for the money. I want
to shoot people who derive pleasure from it. Once in a while, I
get fooled. You may have read my response on RAME, and I stand behind
that. I have been fooled, but then I stop. I am not interested in
hurting someone who doesn't derive pleasure from it or doesn't want
it. I am not interested in degrading anyone who doesn't derive pleasure
from it or doesn't want it. I have had a number of relationships
in my life. Some of them have been S & M relationships and some
of them have been intimate, fulfilling relationships that had no
degradation, bondage or spanking at all because my partner wasn't
into it. By me simply uttering this, it diminishes what I am and
I hate to say it, but it's not as though we are monsters, we're
just people. Those same people who are attacking me, to be candid
with you, I don't think they go for gay porn either. How do they
feel about guys getting bent over and plowed in some jail cell by
thirteen other guys? It doesn't appeal to me in the slightest, but
should I attack it? The answer is absolutely not because that's
a lifestyle that these people have chosen. For people to throw stones
around in this glass house borders on lunacy.
RP: Even with all the criticism, AVN did award 'Rough
Sex 1' with a Best Specialty tape. Was that surprising to you?
KT: Shocking to me and very gratifying. It was shocking
because I believe there exists a legitimate dispute of some kind
between Anabolic and AVN. Anabolic has not won an award in a number
of years. I don't care who you talk to, Anabolic produces, across
the board, some of the highest quality pornography ever produced
in the history of porno. Day in and day out, there tapes are superb.
I'm not saying their tapes are always the best, though I happen
to think so, but certainly in a span of five yeas, they have produced
wonderful pieces of pornography that have not been acknowledged
at the awards. So when I was nominated, I was thrilled because it
allowed me to needle Vince Vouyer, but I didn't expect to win. When
I did win, I was gratified. I think that the reason it happened
was they found something that they couldn't ignore. It fit a host
of criteria that they couldn't ignore. One, as you mentioned, and
I appreciate that, it was high quality pornography. That is due
to the Anabolic family. If I had to shoot this, it would be terrible.
It's Chris and Mike John who light it and take care of the technical
end. They are wonderful. Technically it was well done and it was
different and on the edge. I think they just made the determination
that they couldn't ignore it. I appreciate that and it's very gratifying.
RP: There are a number of people who say that 'Rough
Sex' should start a wave of self censorship in the industry. You
already told me you disagree with that, but is there anything that
would make you say we shouldn't be doing this?
KT: Let me retract what I said a bit. I believe that
both sides on this issue have made excellent cases. The First Amendment
people are right when they say that censorship is a slippery slope.
Those who believe in self policing are reminiscent of the gambler
who wants to take his meager winnings off the table and go home,
just to make sure he goes home a winner. Both arguments hold water.
So, my response to you is yes, I believe that self censorship is
a very effective method for holding off certain agencies who would
seek to harm us. I will say this, if they are going to engage in
self censorship, is 'Rough Sex' over the line. Yes. Is there anything
else over the line? About four thousand videos a year. There are
things going on right now that are way over the line. Certainly
my competitors, Max Hardcore, Rob Black and some others are going
down to, so here we are.
RP: Has anyone in the industry stood up for you and
fought this backlash?
KT: Yeah, Chris at Anabolic and Jamie Gillis. (Chris
Alexander has entered the room and has been listening quietly.)
CHRIS- And all the girls you've worked with.
KT: The girls certainly, with one exception. Interestingly
enough, after 'Rough Sex 1' we stepped things up a notch for 'Rough
Sex 2' and I had expressed some personal trepidation. The intensity
was stepped up a notch and it made me nervous. Chris told me that
Anabolic is what it is because we have always provided high quality
and have always been bold. Anyone can sit on yesterday's news, but
we need to continue to provide product that marketplace is going
to accept because it is unique and on the edge.
CHRIS- I might add that the marketplace has not only
accepted 'Rough Sex' but embraced it. As much as I want to resist
complimenting Khan too much for fear his head will get even bigger,
he has done great things for us.
RP: There have been a few negative stories circling
lately about the 'Rough Sex' movies. The first one involving Jewel
Valmont and some lines that may or may not have been crossed. Any
comment on that?
KT: Linda Thoren leveled am outrageous and irresponsible
charge that has been refuted by Jewel herself. I could go on the
net today and say that Roger Pipe couldn't keep it in his pants
when he interviewed me. He was so attracted to me. Now you have
to go onto the net and deny it, then call forth all of your witnesses.
That's what's happening in the Jewel Valmont Case. Number one, we
have the video tape, number two, she continues to work for me, number
three, she's called Gene Ross to refute it all. It's pathetic. As
I said in my response, I don't play the game of threatening lawsuits
and demanding apologies. I like to continue to move forward, but
speak categorically on a factual basis.
RP: So, the Jewel Valmont charge is pathetically absurd.
What about Regan Starr?
KT: Regan Starr is a different issue. To use a famous
quite, the three most horrible slanders there are lies, damn lies
and statistics. The Regan Starr episode falls into the first two
categories, Lies and Damn Lies. When you write this, try to get
the emphasis in there. As I have said, I am not interested in shooting
anyone here just for the money. I want to shoot women who derive
pleasure. When Regan Starr was booked, I talked with her extensively
on the phone. I took a verbal inventory with her, face spitting,
face slapping, verbal degradation, spanking, choking, spanking to
the point of bruising, and if there is, we would reward you accordingly.
This said, the girls always control the scene and we can stop at
any time. I asked her if that was acceptable to her. She assured
me that she was. Something happened though. If there is going to
be some culpability, I admit, and unfortunately I'm doing it on
tape, if I am culpable of anything it is that I didn't believe my
gut on this one. It's something I have always done and it's always
served me well. Your first instinct is usually the right one. After
this extensive interview with Regan, she convinced me she could
do it. When she came to the set, I spoke with her for another fifteen
minutes then went into Chris' office and told him I was going to
call the scene. He asked me why. We had a lot of money tied up on
the scene already. Don't get me wrong, I've blown a lot of money.
When you look like me, you have to spend a lot of money to get laid.
Now, I said I was going to call the scene. Chris and I went in with
Regan. I told her that she couldn't do the scene. She sold me a
bill of goods, assuring me that she could do it. I told her she
was underestimating the emotional impact of the scene. The three
people in that room left with the idea that we would attempt to
get the scene shot.
CHRIS- At that time, he went ahead and agreed to a
rate she would be paid if she couldn't finish the scene. She said
"OK, but I'm going to do the scene."
KT: We shot the scene and it didn't last more than
five minutes. She was spanked, degraded and went to pieces. We killed
the scene, gave her three hundred. It cost us approximately two
thousand dollars above that and I got nothing except for that little
snippet I put in 'Rough Sex 2'. I only did that because I spend
so much freaking money on it. There is some talk on the interent
that she only received three hundred bucks. Well, she got three
hundred bucks for being in front of the camera five minutes, being
spanked approximately three times and having a thumb put in her
CHRIS- And having Mickey G deliver some lines that
I don't even think were that harsh.
KT: Well, we didn't make her say f-ck my teenie bald
pussy which she does gladly, but it was part of the line and I don't
apologize for what it is.
RP: All right, the decision to leave that snippet
in the movie certainly rubs her face in it.
RP: It certainly comes off as mean spirited.
RP: Why do it?
KT: I left it in because I want to shoot reality.
It was a piece of reality and is a piece of the S and M world that
some people never see. Frankly, I find it fascinating. It's in there
for that reason. I have been with people where that happens, we
reach a point when they have had enough and they break down. At
that point, we immediately stopped. I know it's hard to believe,
but I'm actually a gentleman. That's why I left it in and frankly
I'm proud of it.
CHRIS- I wouldn't agree that it's mean spirited though.
I think it is reality and left in as such. I don't want to sound
harsh and I hope this doesn't get printed as harsh. You might think
it's mean spirited and other people might see it that way, but I
don't care. That's not my intent. My intent is to show reality and
if people interpret it as mean spirited, there is nothing I can
do about it. I stand behind my decision to leave it in the tape
and I am proud of it.
RP: You would agree though that it has opened you
up for more criticism.
KT: I didn't recognize that that would happen.
RP: In retrospect?
KT: In retrospect I would have bought Qualcom stock
a year ago and made movies just for myself.
RP: Some other charges that have been thrown at you,
that you hate women for example. True or false?
KT: Probably true.
KT: Rejection. I got roughed up emotionally. I was
a recovering addict. I have been sober for twenty years. People
become addicted to substances because there happens to be some defect
in their life and I obviously have it.
RP: Do you consider the 'Rough Sex' line degrading
KT: Yes, but not generally. The women in them are
being degraded for sexual gratification, so the answer is yes. Are
you asking me if I'm trying to degrade women across the board, of
course not. I have relationships that would astound people in the
porn world at other aspects of my life. I am not interested in being
hurtful, however if someone derives pleasure out of that behavior,
I am the first in line. Assuming there is a 'Rough Sex 3' down the
line, do you want it to be harder, are there more boundaries you
want to push? No. Even us misogynists slash human pieces of vomit
have feelings too. I am actually a little tattered by what is going
on and I don't care for it. I don't need it. It's not the end of
RP: That's all I've got. Anything you want to say
in closing to critics or supporters?
KT: Yes, I think that I am an excellent pornographer
and my second line will display my varied ability. I can hit to
the opposite field and I hope that my third line will also be some
sort of home run.
RP: Thank you very much.
KT: Thank you.
Luke Interviews Rough Sex Director
Fresh from a whipping at the hands of Tina Tyler,
I interviewed "Rough Sex" director "Khan Tusion"
Sunday night by phone. As his email to RAME showed last week, he's
intelligent and well able to verbally defend himself.
Luke: Tusion entered porn around 1992, and has worked
principally in porn for Annabolic.
Khan: "You know my disposition over what I am
about to undertake."
Tusion, like many porners, was wary of talking to
me. I'm usually nicest when talking to first timers, because I want
to get our possible relationship off to a good start. Once you get
to know someone, you learn how much you can stretch them.
This, however, is not the first time "Khan Tusion"
and I have crossed paths though I do not remember the first time.
Suffice to say, Khan is not favorably disposed towards me, and regards
me as an "anti-porn activist."
Khan: "Both our reputations precede us. I hope
that I am able to surprise you positively and I hope also to be
surprised. I don't know if that will happen, but if it does, it
will restore an inkling of my faith."
Luke: "Cool. Has the furor over Rough Sex surprised
Khan: "Yes it has. And it is absolutely preposterous.
The criticism from the RAMERs is not unexpected and I consider it
valid. I think that many of the people are fearful that this might
inhibit their ability to purchase or view pornography. And I can
understand that fear. And the others are First Amendment honchos,
and that is also a valid argument.
"The criticism from within the industry is absolutely
shocking. It is so hypocritical that I am getting vertigo. It is
Luke: "People in the industry are scared that
you are the perfect fodder for anti-porn activists, therefore you
endanger the way they make a living."
Khan: "Are you an anti-porn activist?"
Luke: "No, but I am no booster of the porn industry."
Khan: "I consider you an anti-porn activist.
And I don't begrudge you one bit for it. As a matter of fact, I
think it is a noble position to take. I really do. And for those
people in the industry who feel that this specific movie is going
to bring a pox on their house, it is ridiculous. If this movie did
not exist, there are probably six to seven thousand of the eight
thousand videos put out annually that are offensive and horrifying
to 90% of people in America. The ten percent who do not believe
they are horrifying, 90% of those people would never admit it. The
reason that there is peace and tranquility in the production of
pornography is that there has been a sleeping spell with the powers
that eventually might attempt to eradicate it. For them to blame
me is ridiculous.
"The criticisms from outside the industry are
more meritorious. Because they're not manufacturing it. They're
just viewing it and they're fearful for their viewing habits.
"In addition to the public criticisms that we've
read on your site and on Gene Ross's site, there are some private
criticisms that I've heard that I am certain are going to be made
public soon. Let me give you an example. Patrick Collins [owner
of Elegant Angel Video] believes that this is a horrible horrible
thing and that we are terrible people over at Anabolic. This is
the same gentleman who takes our titles and knocks them off practically
verbatim. For instance, his Gang Bang Angels [taken from Anabolic's
Gang Bang Girl line]. He believes that that is going to be acceptable
to some type of municipality or state or federal government that
doesn't care for pornography? He's dreaming. It's not going to happen.
When the giant awakes, we're all going to be swatted. I might be
swatted first, but we're all going."
Luke: "How much private reaction have you had?"
Khan: "Horrible. Terrible. It's so hypocritical...
People in the industry are extremely critical. And I believe that
the basis of that criticism is two fold. One, it's based on economic
jealousy. Anabolic is measurably more successful than the other
companies. So consequently we make a fine target. For Rodney Moore
to criticize us. He thinks this is degrading to women.
"And by the way, I do believe that this is terrible
and degrading to women. I also believe that squirting half a quart
of semen on to a girl's face and having her walk down Ventura Blvd
has a degree of degradation. Degradation drives the business. And
I think that you know that. That is why you are who you are. You
understand that's what drives the business and so here we all are.
In the degradation business unfortunately."
Luke: "What numbers are you selling of Rough
Khan: "They are astounding... There's not a porno
company in the world that wouldn't flip over the numbers."
Luke: "I heard that GVA West won't handle it.
How about other branches of GVA [porn's largest distributor]?"
Khan: "There have been some companies that have
refused to handle it. I don't begrudge them. It's free enterprise.
"Anabolic's success is due to their impeccable
desire for quality. The founder Chris insists on certain things,
like excellent production values, a certain quality performer...
I think this [Rough Sex] is a step further than they've gone. And
that's because I've directed it. It is something that I have experience
in and it is something that I am familiar with.
"I've been reading the criticism. I've read Rebecca
Bardoux's criticism that this is terrible and people go to jail
for this. This is a lifestyle, Luke. There are people that participate
in this. They get pleasure from it. I have simply documented it.
That's all. Nothing more... Now they're going to try to make some
big deal that we do something terrible to the girls, by bringing
Regan Starr to the forefront.
"That charge can only be described as adolescent
buffoonery. We have a videotape of what occurred. She claims that
she had the sh-t knocked out of her. We have a videotape that disputes
that. She claimed that this went on and on and on.
"I made an error with Regan Starr. I did not
want to shoot her. She insisted to me that this was her lifestyle.
She insisted to me that she enjoyed it. And she insisted to me that
she did this at home. On the telephone, I was fooled 100%. The day
of the shoot, when I met her, I made a judgement that I did not
want to do the shoot. She implored me to go forward and against
my better judgement, we did. And we only shot for six minutes. Two
minutes and thirty seconds of which the action was centered on her.
And then we cut the scene.
"And for people to say, 'Oh, you're forcing girls
to do this.' That's ridiculous. And somewhere, somehow the accurate
story will come out. There was the charge earlier brought by Linda
Thoren that certain things happened that are termed rape."
Linda Thoren wrote: "My x-boyfriend Tomas Edberg
interviewed Jewel Valmont last week in LA for the European magazine
Cats. On the question, if it was anything she regrets in her carrier,
she said that, doing this scene for Anabolic in Raw Sex #1, is the
only thing she would like to be undone. She was even forced to do
things she had clearly said she didn't want to do. (in Europe we
call these things rape...) I fear that Anabolic -- if they continue
doing these kind of scenes -- jeopardize the whole future of the
Khan: "Well, the victim of that so-called rape
has already disputed Linda Thoren's account of it and has continued
to work for me subsequent to that and will work for me again.
"I don't know what you and Gene Ross do. I'm
a big First Amendment guy. I respect the fact that you can print
anything you want. Yet when someone like Linda Thoren writes that,
it is incumbent on you or Gene to say, 'What about the fact that
the girl was disputing your charges? Do you want to elaborate? Do
you want to stand by it?' It's dangerous stuff and you've admitted
that you've been hurtful to people in the past for this exact kind
of thing. And I believe that if you could do it over again you might
undo a few of the things that you have done."
Khan: "It is frustrating. And I believe that
most of the criticism is because of the origin of the tape - Anabolic
Luke: "So if Elegant Angel released this tape,
there would not be as much criticism?"
Khan: "They're doing it now. I went into the
store... First, I'm a fan and I rent videos. And second, I went
in to peruse the competition. And I see Elegant Angel's knockoff
Gangbang [Angels]... Considering Patrick's recent history, I'm sure
the movie was directed by either his gardener, or by his maid's
boyfriend. And the big hook on the movie is 'Shot in a real frat
house.' I guess that makes the sex better.
"So I turn over the box and see an interesting
thing. It's starring a woman named Miko Lee. And they gleefully
write on the back of the box 'She likes it rough.' And they show
a picture of Mr. Marcus choking her, with a grimace on her face.
I haven't seen the movie so I can't say what exactly is taking place.
But I know Mr. Marcus. He's a friend of mine. I have an idea what
took place but I didn't want to bother renting it... After criticizing
us, they're inmitating us."
Luke: "Where do you want to go with this series?"
Khan: "I wrote in response to Linda Thoren: 'Even
us misogynist / human pieces of vomit have feelings too.' Frankly,
considering what is going on, I'm going to rethink it and take a
break. I've spoken to Chris at Anabolic and I'm going to at best,
put this on long hiatus and at worse, I might do something else."
Luke: "Is porn your fulltime gig?"
Starr Rough Sex Controversy
AJB writes on RAME: It shows that consent was granted
at the beginning but it was not well informed consent. It also tells
us that she, ultimately, had control to stop her participation but
that she was intimidated too much to cut it off as soon as she might
otherwise have wished. If she took the producer & director to court
(not sure what the exact charge would be in California) I'd be on
her side. Unfortunately, Regan Starr might not get work anywhere
else in the porn industry if she did this AND the lawyers would
rape her more than any porn movie makers ever could.
I'm still not convinced that this type of movie should
be banned / shunned as an entire class of product. Regan Starr's
testimony simply tells us that one scene from one instance of the
rough sex product class may have criminal or civil legal issues
involved. As long as the performing girls know exactly what their
getting into, are well informed, they are of sound mind and take
the job description seriously, I can't see how this kind of work
is much different from WWF fake wrestling, getting the sh-t beat
out of you in an action film, playing a rough pro sport, etc, etc.
If Regan Starr were crying about getting hurt repeatedly playing
hockey in the NHL, there would be no cries to ban hockey. People
die or get badly injured in phony wrestling, where's the movement
to ban it? Vic Morrow got his f-cking head chopped off doing a scene
in "Twilight Zone: The Movie" -- this resulted in a court case (negligence
and wrongful death charges I think it was) but did we all think
it made sense to condemn and/or ban all science fiction? Of course
not. And I'm not knocking over a straw man argument. A few folks
have, essentially, said that if it's got sex and violence mixed
together, that type of movie should be automatically banned or boycotted.
Rough sex on film is just another job a consenting
adult can do, another means of employment in which the employer
has a very much heightened responsibility to watch out for the safety
of the employee. It's just mixing sex with violence that gets the
Puritans upset and they use the terms "rape" and "misogyny" to buttress
their arguments, hiding their private moral / religious angst under
the banner of feminism, patriotism, the Laws of Nature or whatever
high minded notions they can subvert to their cause.
Atomic writes on RAME: What, is no one responsible
for themselves or their own actions anymore? If she didn't like
the treatment she was getting, why the didn't she get up off her
knees, wipe the drool off of her chin, and get the hell outta Dodge?
One word: greed. She accepts the treatment, takes
the money, then later bitches because she didn't like the way she
was treated. 2 to 1 she'd do it again in a heartbeat if it put money
in her pocket. However, in the screwball world that we live in,
it can't be her fault: she's the victim of greedy, unscrupulous
men, eager to exploit her for the sake of filthy lucre.
What's surprising is that those who have been so quick
to criticize the RS2 Director have been just as quick to come to
the defense of the poor female victims who were abused at his behest.
Why aren't the female performers just as responsible for the video
as the Director and the male performers?
Slouch Potato writes on RAME: I spoke with Khan Tusion
at his home under a rock in tony North Hollywood.
SlouchPotato: "Hello, Khan. Thank you for granting
me this interview."
Khan: "I felt it my duty to correct the public record
as to my conduct in the matter of the video recording entitled 'Rough
Sex 2,' which is a brilliant, but brutally realistic, depiction
of a lifestyle practiced by billions of fully consenting human beings,
who have every right as adult persons to comport themselves in a
manner that is unacceptable to the proverbial "John Q. Public" and
entirely degrading and dehumanizing to women everywhere, but is
an emphatically honest and sincere expression of nonconforming norms
and mores that..."
Slouch: "Could you rephrase that?"
Khan: "I like puttin' the hurt on bitches."
Slouch: "Has your career been on a bit of a downturn
since you starred in 'Star Wars' some twenty years ago? I think
the last thing I saw you in was a computer game."
Khan: "Well, yes. A few years ago, while continuing
to work in the 'legitimate' movie industry, I was having lunch with
Margot Kidder, when I noticed that the trashcan out of which we
were eating had an inch-deep layer of maggots at the bottom. Margot
suggested that I use the maggots as a spread on my partially-eaten
sandwich, to which I responded by punching her f-cking lights out.
With this on my resume, I applied for employment at Anabolic the
very next day. They hired me immediately, and I haven't looked back
since. Let me mention at this juncture that Chris Alexander is a
prince among men, a giant of the entertainment business and a true
visionary." (Chris Alexander, the owner of Anabolic, has entered
the room and has been silently listening.)
Slouch: "It's been suggested by some that you're a
'piece of human vomit,' a 'dirty, misogynistic scumrag,' a 'greedy,
soulless, mentally- damaged, drug-addicted...'"
Khan: "I resemble that! Ha ha ha ha ha ha."
Slouch: "So what does the future hold for 'Rough Sex?'"
Khan: "After careful consideration, I've reluctantly
decided to take a hiatus from this pathbreaking series to expand
my horizons and broaden my artistic base. To always be doing the
same thing can make a genius like myself seem stale and unoriginal.
My self-expression is a vast untapped potential that cannot be bounded
by the strictures of a..."
Chris: "We're pulling it."
Khan: "There's that, too. I'm also shelving my plans
for series called 'Slap the Infant,' and 'Mo Lester's Schoolyard
Slouch: "So, what will you be doing instead?"
Khan: "I have several ambitious new undertakings in
the works. One is a series titled 'Suck My Cock, You Worthless Cunt.'
It features about twenty scenes of girls doing nothing but giving
guys blowjobs. Why hasn't someone thought of this before? An additional
project is a penetrating look into another deviant but profitable-to-video
lifestyle. In it, guys will be pulling the wings off flies, complete
with close-ups. It's called 'Pretty Fly (for a Scumbag).' Jon Dough,
Mr Marcus and Mickey G are already signed up."
Slouch: "Well, thank you very much for being here."
Khan: "You're welcome, and thank you for having me."
Slouch: "You're welcome, too, and thank you again."
Khan: "Yes, thank you." Slouch: "You're welcome, thank
Khan: "Thank you, you're welcome.".
Slouch: "Thank you."
Rebecca Bardoux writes: "First I would like to
thank your readers for the response of my writing. Glad that Rough
Sex is off the shelves but that is not enough. I hope Reagan Starr
will follow through with her lawsuit. Second in responds to Kianne
Bradley I don't know you, never saw of picture of you but you say
you like rough sex being beat up, you said if you don't want to
see it don't watch it. Yes if we were all responsible viewers that
would be fine, but it's not reality. There are tons of men in prison
that would love to beat the sh-t out of you, that's why they are
in there. Maybe you should look inside yourself to find out why
you like rough sex because that is not normal behavior."
Donedone@aol.com writes: "Luke, I am working
on a new series of porn its gonna be pregnant 18 year olds getting
beat by giant black men while double fisted in the butt and getting
stabbed in the belly with flaming hot red pokers then i'll pee on
the girls' flayed skin after i beat them with a bullwhip for 8 hours
this is a new softcore series im working on. nothing is too extreme
for me we are gonna beat the girls till they are a giant bruise
cause thats what the people want. My new name is Bone Bruze its
a play on the whole Khan Tusion thing. My partners name is En Ternal-Bleeding.
we are looking for girls, so if you can send any our way, that would
Steve Neece writes: I feel inspired once more to add
my voice to the fray.Khan Tusion is remarkably forthcoming and honest
about his hatreds and inadequacies.He admits to a hatred of women
and attributes it to his visual repulsiveness and the rejection
he suffered.It has been my experience that most of the most prominent
porners are unusually physically repulsive.I need not cite examples,they
are everywhere.Is this why they got in the biz?Hatred,revenge,greed,
a volatile mixture.He also speaks of shame as an erotic turn on
and bemoans its lack in present day performers.He seeks to uncover
shame.I tend to beleive he has a fertile field to play with . I
believe an incredible number of women wallow in self hatred.The
percentage is probably nearly as high in the outside world as in
porn and highest of all among the most blindly religious as hatred
of women is a cornerstone in all major religions . Domestic violence
is most prevalent in religious households though far less reported
as husbands believe it is their divine right to abuse women and
Porn reflects this . I have not seen Rough Sex 2 tho
I hope to obtain a copy before it is pulled to see what the flap
is about . There is nothing daring or groundbreaking in fem/hate
porn . It is merely the carrying out of the age old Judaeo-Christian
double standard that any woman who asserts her sexuality is a whore/pig/slut/tramp
etc. and what fun it is to punish them.The mindset of these vids
is from the good old days when air was clean and sex was dirty .Though
the religious right pretends to abhor them their sexual sentiments
are pretty much the same as Max Hardcore or Andrew Dice Clay for
that matter . Beleive me,they hate Candida Royalle far more tha
Max .What is radical or different or progressive about fem/hate?It
has been around forever and it has always been a part of the establishment
If love and caring and equality are absolutely abhorrent
to you then at least be different in your hatred . Lets really get
interesting and make videos that promote the erotic butchery of
men . Simulated castrations,drownings in sh-t etc. done artistically
for the sexual enjoyment of sophisticated women and Gay men . As
long as the victims are staight,anti intellectual,macho blue collar
men there will be little or no outcry from the feminists.To be fair
there should also be plenty of non white male victims so cries of
reverse discrimination will not occur . Make all the female predators
wealthy and powerful and educated so the establishment will identify
with them instead of feeling threatened by them as they do with
Jews and Italians and Blacks . If all their victims are identified
as child molesters/abusers,rapists,wife beaters,pimps etc. then
why should the public care if their executioners receive sexual
enjoyment from their demise ? Think about this;would the average
porn freak forego masturbating to a hot girl /girl scene even if
the source and inspiration for their passion was some guy being
slowly strangled to death in the background ? I think not . Did
you ever see the movie "Salo" ? It was an arthouse fave in the late
70's and I have to imagine it was far more extreme than "Rough Sex
2" and nobody complained .
Nobody should be shocked that there are women who
like to be abused . The suffering martyr syndrome is far from dead
in many cultures in this country and the vituous suffering wife/punching
bag that always feels it is her duty to take abuse and that hubby
wouldn't do it if he didn't love her is the flip side of the porno
girls who are willing victims of Max,R.Black etc.They probably share
the same source of guilt . Seems Kianna has bought into this abuse
equals love equation .If its good enough for nuns (self flegellation/suffering
as joy) I guess I cannot deny its consolations to the sisters of
porn . But be advised that you are indeed contributing to hatred
between genders when you perform this on video.It may be a game
to you and hubby but it is deadly serious to most of the consumers
of this and given the chance you best believe they would not respect
your limits . If you have female offspring how will you explain
your love/hate equation to them ? Will you foster this mindset as
countless billions of mothers have done before you ,thinking they
are doing the right thing .
Todd Gumm writes: Luke, Lately I've read a lot on
your site about Porn is on it's way out, and how Rough Sex 2 is
the start of the end of Porn, This is all such bullsh-t, Porn will
last longer than any of us. Porn will live forever, simply because
as long as someone can make Megabucks from Porn, it WILL be available!
The only way you can ever stop Porn is to make Porn nonprofitable,
in other words, If the pornstars, directors, producers, video companies,
prostitutes, Website owners, magazine companies, and other porn
related businesses can't make money from it, THEN it may not exist,
may not, I say may not because you'll always have a few that will
do it for Free, but most of it would come to a direct stop! Luke,
I expect porn will outlive us all, because as long as there is a
demand for porn, there will be porn, and as long as there is a demand
for it, there will be Megabucks to be made from it, and if you can
make Megabucks from it, It WILL be made!
Phyllisha Anne writes about Rough Sex: Okay now it's
my turn. hehe The point is rough sex hits a fetish that maybe hasn't
been played with before. This is porn. Porn is supposed to play
with every fetish. This is Bondage put to the extreme without restraints.
ANABOLIC MADE A DAMN GOOD MOVIE, If it wasn't good
this wouldn't even be an issue. I was having soooo much fun I forgot
to have sex. And Ragen I've known you for a while, you said stop
and they stooped. Respect token. Maybe you should have said stop
sooner, that would be no ones call but your own. I was helping casting
this movie, and I was told to make damn sure girls knew what they
were getting into, because it was costing way to much to keep having
to stop and re-shot these scenes. And it wasn't a turning on unless
the girls wanted to do it, it wasn't a turn on to see girls not
By this I mean the girl maybe hurting a little but
her pussy still was wet. This is a fetish to some people, just like
feet are. We are supposed to acquire every fetish, every fantasy.
This fantasy is not meant for the rapists out there, but maybe for
that women that likes the felling of being over powered. Thats the
real turn on in this not that a bich is being slapped but someone
has ultimate power and control over another, and the other to be
completely powerless to the controller. Now I don't now anyone that
doesn't get wet or hard over power. Do you?
Kianna Bradley writes: well i must say thank you to
both parties, that were on my behalf. jack thank you for the compliments
and Emmett we should just let it go. you know people are going to
do what they want even though some may not agree. some like different
things for different reasons just like my roommate likes anal sex
i don't paticurlarily care for it. you know the women in this industry
have a lot of pressure we are basically are incharge we have to
make it look good we have to keep it good for everyone what we look
like, by keeping are looks up it is very hard to keep everybody
pleased in other words we have control, over this the fans what
we do what we don't, we all no matter how much sh-t we talk have
to back eachother!so we all help not hurt eachother and i don't
think any company would truly hurt or injure any of us (purposly).
all I'm saying is if Reagan got hurt I'm sorry, but
she did know what it was about, we all worn eachother about eachother
i cant believe no one told her weather it be a friend or a CO worker
not to mention anabolic, that she had no clue how extreme the scene
would be. I'm really sorry for Anabolic and my friend for many reasons
(Khan) you people don't know actually what a caring person he really
is, but I'm sorry they are going through so much abuse, cause you
know what, those people would do anything for anyone of you! I've
seen it time and again giving everyone a chance, just like reagan.its
kinda like Lukes site if you don't like it don't read it and we
are the ones who feed into it, we are the ones who read it.its not
his words they are yours, just like no one made you read it nor
write in,he is doing his job, i'm doing mine and i've learned in
this buss. people will take and take but never give well maybe this
is my shot, i stand up for the people of Anabolic for the fact i
have a lot of respect for them.
They have given' so much to me besides jobs w/ good
pay but they have given me friendship through all the bullsh-t i
went through lately. thank you Anabolic for being there and always
saying i was something special, and letting me know if i wanted
my contract bad enough i could get it and i did!!and as far as the
company i am with well i feel the same way about them they never
gave up on me, even if i do get replaced Emmett, that's o. k they
gave me a shot, and it happens you know my mom, who is very sick
says when i bitch all the time about dumb sh-t like this, says don't
sweat the small sh-t and everything is small sh-t, she's right look
at all we have a choice of, she doesn't and when a woman that doesn't
have a choice to do what or anything we can says that, well, think
about it, that is a gift, a choice a decision to be able to make
yourself, and if someone makes a decision we shouldn't knock it,
we all sometimes make bad decions, but who is to say what's right
i can just let you all know ,that we the female talent
did have a choice, and my roomate Phyllisha Anne, was also in it
and loved it too. everyone is different, it doesn't promote rape
to me but I'm not everyone,I realize that but ciggarets dont always
give evryone cancer either, but I still smoke.and maybe if someone
could rape because they watched this,just think of the one it could
prevent. a control freak that rapes (gets off on it) after they
have gotten (off on it) they no longer have the urge, just maybe
he got off on the video first? we don't know and no one knows.
Emmett writes: Dear Kianna Bradley, That is an awesome
letter you written. Your brain is as stunning as your body. I also
feel regret from my last letter about you. But we both made some
strong points. But that is what L-ke F-ord site is all about (well
some of it anyway), to read others thoughts, opinions, and facts,
then add your own thoughts about what you read. An open forum. I
like what you said. So, Emmett (The often proclaimed ill-opinionated)
officially stands down. And I do hope provincial and avarice minded,
Metro keeps you for at least two more decades because you are breath
XXX writes: Remember when i wrote you about luke campbell
being censored for nasty as thay wanna be? The Too Live Crew ? They
were attacked on a national scale while folks like Iggy Pop, big
black and the entire punk genre was ignored Why ? The only male
talent that keeps comming up in this dialog is Mr Marcus? He can't
be worse than rocco or max ? being no one else is saying it i'll
ask the question... Is the real beef here due to thefact that marcus
is black ? This appears to me to be the natural course this dialog
has taken ?
NJG writes: I am very very glad the Rough Sex series
has been discontinued by Anabolic. I have been thinking about what
Khan Tusion said though. He talked to the women for 4 days, constantly
telling them how rough it was going to be. They verbally agreed.
It seems that it was even rougher than how he portrayed it to them.
Think of it. He's telling you for 4 days how miserable it's going
to be, and you (the performer) say yes, fine, I can deal with that,
I like it rough...then, when it comes down to it, it is so awful,
horrible and painfulthat you wind up crying, he continues to film
your humiliation and degradation, you want him to stop it now.