jeremiahsteele Says:
I was there. FSC was there. In fact Executive Director Diana Duke thanked me for my speeches and contributions. Also, a staff writer for the LA Times came over and got my contact info after I spoke. I guess this contradicts Bill Margold’s claim that I had no reason to be there. I think it went reasonably well. A quote from one of the commissioners was that “we’re here to find common ground”, and to my suprise they expressed concern about the ramifications of any legislation upon the industry itself. During the first break I spoke with the lady running things and she clarified for me that the meeting was not so much about enforcing an existing law but interpreting it, as well as possibly amending the law in regards to safety in the porn industry. They agreed to have us voluntarily form subcommittes on the matter. There seems there will be no rush to judgment, which is good. I’ll get more into it later.
NL-Thanks Jeremy. I want to hear about what you said in your speech.. And why did you talk to Bill Margold?
More from Jeremy- To answer your question regarding Margold, he started loudly saying from the end of the hall in front of Steve Nelson and whoever would listen to him babble that I’m a “piece of shit”, so I yelled back “Hi, Bill!”, went up to talk to him and he expressed his anger over me writing about him living off of PAW. He insisted he makes and takes no money and offered to provide tax statements or something. When I asked how me pays his bills he angrily responded that was none of my damn business. But enough of that…
I had prepared a couple drafts of a speech, in case I was to get up at the podium but instead from my seat spoke several points:
I agreed with Nina Hartley’s point that there is no way to make the industry “risk free”, and added it comes down to an interpretation of what is safe enough. However, “safer” does not mean “safe” and the question is how do you draw the line and who’s to say?
I mentioned that statistics say that 80% of the general population has oral herpes (cold sores), meaning someone carries a virus which could lead you to catching a cold sore. Based on this logic, I’m suprised porn hasn’t outlawed kissing in porn, not that I advocate doing so. Also, logically speaking there should be no oral sex without condom use, based on this stat.
I’m against condom use because they are not a guarantee of stopping disease. Shelley has claimed there’s epidemics in the biz but the closest epidemic I’ve seen is the staph infection outbreak
around ‘05. And condoms would’ve been absolutely useless to stop them, as they occured on the legs, thighs, buttocks, around the genital area. Also, HIV is said to be microscopic in size while holes in condoms are much greater, so it is like stopping a golf ball with a hoola hoop. Regardless, the chances of an HIV + person infecting another through sex, is highly unlikely whether or not a condom is used, so the argument that condoms are stopping AIDS in my opinion is dubious.
I also brought up 46,000 highway deaths a year being a lot closer to an epidemic, and that while comparing cars to condoms is like comparing apples to aeroplanes, the point is the efforts to hypothetically make a vehicle so safe by enforcing it with steel, etc, may not be economically viable.
I also added that coal miners die but choose to take those risks because it is perhaps their only way of making a living and should we take that right to work away? I would never advocate that type of work, and all that can be done should be done to keep people from dying and having health problems but there’s only so much you can do and we have to allow people the right to choose, the freedom of choice.
It should all come down to INFORMED Consensual agreement between employees and employers as to what they are willing to do.
I also added stunt people in movies at times choose to take risks beyond what the need to for the love of art. The evil kinievals of the world certainly can be done in but do you or I have the right to take away their right to take risks in order to make gains?
I’ve got to go, I’ll say more later…
Anyone that attended please email me/send pics or comment.
Notlukeisback@yahoo.com TY
Oh & Mike, I didn’t get the memo about The FSC sending anyone to the meeting. I even checked their site looking for a press release. Guess they only send important information to people who pay to join? That makes no sense….
I was there. FSC was there. In fact Executive Director Diana Duke thanked me for my speeches and contributions. Also, a staff writer for the LA Times came over and got my contact info after I spoke. I guess this contradicts Bill Margold’s claim that I had no reason to be there. I think it went reasonably well. A quote from one of the commissioners was that “we’re here to find common ground”, and to my suprise they expressed concern about the ramifications of any legislation upon the industry itself. During the first break I spoke with the lady running things and she clarified for me that the meeting was not so much about enforcing an existing law but interpreting it, as well as possibly amending the law in regards to safety in the porn industry. They agreed to have us voluntarily form subcommittes on the matter. There seems there will be no rush to judgement, which is good. I’ll get more into it later.
sorry, I meant Diane Duke, not Diana
Go Steele go!
To answer your question regarding Margold, he started loudly saying from the end of the hall in front of Steve Nelson and whoever would listen to him babble that I’m a “piece of shit”, so I yelled back “Hi, Bill!”, went up to talk to him and he expressed his anger over me writing about him living off of PAW. He insisted he makes and takes no money and offered to provide tax statements or something. When I asked how me pays his bills he angrily responded that was none of my damn business. But enough of that…
I had prepared a couple drafts of a speech, in case I was to get up at the podium but instead from my seat spoke several points:
I agreed with Nina Hartley’s point that there is no way to make the industry “risk free”, and added it comes down to an interpretation of what is safe enough. However, “safer” does not mean “safe” and the question is how do you draw the line and who’s to say?
I mentioned that statistics say that 80% of the general population has oral herpes (cold sores), meaning someone carries a virus which could lead you to catching a cold sore. Based on this logic, I’m suprised porn hasn’t outlawed kissing in porn, not that I advocate doing so. Also, logically speaking there should be no oral sex without condom use, based on this stat.
I’m against condom use because they are not a guarantee of stopping disease. Shelley has claimed there’s epidemics in the biz but the closest epidemic I’ve seen is the staph infection outbreak
around ’05. And condoms would’ve been absolutely useless to stop them, as they occured on the legs, thighs, buttocks, around the genital area. Also, HIV is said to be microscopic in size while holes in condoms are much greater, so it is like stopping a golf ball with a hoola hoop. Regardless, the chances of an HIV + person infecting another through sex, is highly unlikely whether or not a condom is used, so the argument that condoms are stopping AIDS in my opinion is dubious.
I also brought up 46,000 highway deaths a year being a lot closer to an epidemic, and that while comparing cars to condoms is like comparing apples to aeroplanes, the point is the efforts to hypothetically make a vehicle so safe by enforcing it with steel, etc, may not be economically viable.
I also added that coal miners die but choose to take those risks because it is perhaps their only way of making a living and should we take that right to work away? I would never advocate that type of work, and all that can be done should be done to keep people from dying and having health problems but there’s only so much you can do and we have to allow people the right to choose, the freedom of choice.
It should all come down to INFORMED Consensual agreement between employees and employers as to what they are willing to do.
I also added stunt people in movies at times choose to take risks beyond what the need to for the love of art. The evil kinievals of the world certainly can be done in but do you or I have the right to take away their right to take risks in order to make gains?
I’ve got to go, I’ll say more later…
Well, from what I heard from a reliable source who was at the meeting, several pro-industry people were in attendance (talents such as Brooke Haven, Nina Hartley – and industry professionals such as the primary doctor from AIM) and the several news media outlets including NPR have done extensive stories on the meeting and will continue to over the next few weeks…
Steele, thanks for taking the time to go and also asking that piece of crap Margold about how he makes his money. Were there any agents there? I doubt it.
Yor Velcum, Larry. Spiegler and Derek were there.
So this meeting was what I expected it to be: Another round of blabbering and reviewing some useless rules. What a surprise. Of course they’re not in the favor of enforcing any existing and/or new laws, they can’t afford to enforce anything, they can’t afford shit in the bankrupt state of California. Soon they have to add more tax revenue just to keep their head above the water, so don’t be surprised if this coming November they legalize marijuana. Brothel houses and issuing gay marriage licenses are to follow shortly.
Was Shelley Lubben trying to run the show again? What I can’t believe is that nutter like her has been so allowed to dominate this process. I have a hard time taking these public health officials seriously so long as they keep dragging Shelley and her little God Squad into this.
The Earl there, hmmm. Did Spiegler dress appropiately, not that it matters when Margold is there. I think I’ll send him a Bozo T Clown outfit, fits what he is.
I love the way Mark Kernes of AVN says it in his recent article “CalOSHA Sez: Almost All Adult Movies Are Non-Compliant”:
Those who showed up at the Cal/OSHA Advisory Meeting on Bloodborne Pathogens in the Adult Film Industry today expecting a discussion of whether condoms should be mandated in adult movies were in for a surprise: According to both Cal/OSHA inspector Deborah Gold and agency attorney Amy Martin, condoms are already required for sex scenes, and any production that doesn’t use them is breaking the law.
“I’d just like to make something very clear,” Gold said at one point. “Right now, the standard mandates the use of condoms, so people who have come here and think that we’re arguing about whether we’re going to mandate the use of condoms need to understand that the current status quo is that if there’s blood or other potentially infectious material, you need to prevent contact with that and the employee’s eyes, skin, so people just need to understand that—I know people keep talking about it as though we’re thinking about newly mandating condoms and people have to understand that what we’re trying to do is talk about whether something new can be worked out in the standards that would protect employees as well as what’s currently the present.”
The adult film industry is largely in non-compliance with State laws. Like Amy Martin, attorney for Calosha, stated: THE LAW IS THE LAW!
So, I encourage all of you to become compliant and do it REAL FAST. You can learn about safety and health laws and what employers are required to do online at Calosha’s web site where they offer VITAL INFORMATION for workers and employers in the adult film industry: http://www.dir.ca.gov/dosh/adultfilmindustry.html
PS: I want to say Jeremy spoke very well and I enjoyed meeting Dave Cummings. Porno Dan did great. Tod Hunter, nice and friendly. Even Mark Kernes gave me an eency weency smile. Others did great as well. I was glad to see Brooke Haven and a couple other performers show up and speak. Performers should have their voices heard.
Just a heads up, the American Medical Association has endorsed the AHF’s petition….
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/163922
How is 20 cases (btw aren’t 16 unconfirmed?)in the past few years an outbreak? I’m pretty sure that my town has had that many new cases just in the past year.
I’m glad Little Germy spoke. He should have played this video for everyone to explain the need for condoms in scenes:
http://youporn.com/watch/339103/swingers-have-more-than-a-good-time/
The way Germy watched while the other guy got laid was incredible. Now I understand while he works on a daily basis. Wonderful acting skills! A true talent.
“Performers should have their voices heard.” I took a screen grab of that statement.
Also I like, “THE LAW IS THE LAW!”
It looks like Shelley spends more time lobbying and working out applications that prevent helping people than helping people. So soliciting people to help specific models on your site and then telling ex-performers that donors can’t make donations specifically to them is compliant? And when you have performers deny money they earned in the adult industry in order to take your help, do you have the performers sign their checks and residuals directly over to “Shelley Lubben” or to “The Pink Cross Foundation?” No one else can have money due to a particular person unless that person turns it over directly to someone else, otherwise it sits as unclaimed funds. And how does pleading with donors for Starbucks Gift Cards help people who need work and food after they quit their job? Is coffee supposed to take the place of counseling and medical care?
P.S. – Nice Amazon.com Wish List. Oh… but you do have a few under “Pink Cross”, don’t you…
I was there as well. There were maybe 100 people there in total. Most were AHF lawyers, healthcare professionals or doctors, and various media outlets.
The FSC were there to represent us – Diane Duke, Kevin Bland, Jeffery Douglas, and Dr. Arnott
The adult industry was pretty well represented. Derek Hay, Mark Spiegler, and Chris Fox were there. Joy King from Wicked and Jennifer Larsen from Hustler were there. Porno Dan, Eric John and Vicky Chase, Angela Aspen, Brooke Haven, Dave Cummings, myself, Nina Hartley, Jeremy Steel, and Joanna Angel were also there.
Anita Cannibal was there and even more insane than usual. High comedy especially because they kept letting her speak. Good times.
Shelley Lubben was there with her husband and 3 girls as well. They were very well behaved and made a good showing with some valid points. One of the girls (NL-known as Neesa, she asked that her real name be removed) a petite blonde girl, attempted to energize the proceedings with a little rape accusations thrown around, but she was so over the top, it had little effect. When she claimed to be in the business for 10 years and no one in the room knew who the fuck she even was, you lose a little credibility (I gathered some information and found out her stage name was Neesa, and she did a scene with Max Hardcore once).
The AHF was there in force. They were well organized and seemed to know what they were aiming for and what they wanted. I was impressed. Of course when the AHF’s doctor asked about enforcement towards the end of the proceedings……she got a blank look from the CAL OSHA board. high comedy.
I believe they said in the beginning that this was the 2nd step in a 10 step process to making an adjustment to the existing rules of CAL OSHA. They set up a second meeting in October in San Francisco, presumably to tackle the gay porn industry up there.
There were 2 moments of levity….once when Anita Cannibal talked about how she personally didn’t mind fecal matter on her arms and on her body. And second when Marci Greer started blathering on again about the rapists, and Angela Aspen yelled at her “DID YOU CASH THAT CHECK????” classic stuff for sure.
Oh and Desi Foxx was there in the corner. She attempted to make a corollary between the Nevada brothels and the adult film industry exactly 10 seconds AFTER the head of CAL OSHA told everyone that prostitution and adult industry were 2 separate topics. Nice work
Then she tried to bring Joy King and Wicked into her argument, and Joy King promptly told her to mind her own business and not to include Wicked Pictures in her nonsense. Joy King is a very intelligent, well spoken woman, and the doctor she brought with her was good as well.
I think the end result of the meeting was for the AHF to lay the groundwork for figuring out a way to remove AIM from being in business somehow. They seemed to keep making that a point throughout the proceedings. This seems strange to me, because if they remove AIM before they are able to push their condom agenda through…..then the adult industry is back to 1998 levels of testing. How does that help us?
I give the AHF a lot of credit. They are doing what up until now Shelley Lubben has failed to do. They definitely have a right wing agenda, but they do a great job of appearing to be moderate. The 2nd in command at AHF kept saying things like “we dont want to destroy the adult industry” “we are sensitive to your concerns” “we see some validity to your arguments” – they are very smooth in that sense.
Thanks for the link, Roy. Yeah that was a lame job for lame pay, which is of course why you posted it. It’s also why I only did that gig once in my career. Make sure you surf the internet and see if you can prove me wrong, loser. BTW, I have absolutely no idea what your comment about the proposed need for condoms has to do with this scene, but I do think you should get your fat loser ass/little dick outdoors more often.
Thanks for the compliment Shelley. You pointed out that the statement was made that “The Law is the Law” and that “if there’s blood or other potentially infectious material, you need to prevent contact with that and the employee’s eyes, skin”, etc.
1. I was told by the lady in front that the purpose of this meeting was to INTERPRET and AMEND existing laws in regards to the porn industry.
And since the point was made that laws exist regarding skin contact then it needs to be acknowledged that condoms only protect a small portion a person’s skin. Based on the logic of the existing laws we should have condoms covering our whole body. Also, as I pointed out 80% of the general population has the virus for oral herpes (cold sores). I brought up the fact that condoms do nothing for staph infections and made other points, so this is why, as I was told, these meetings are for the purpose of INTERPRETING AND AMENDING existing laws!
my follow up “comment is awaiting moderation” regarding existing laws. what did i say now, Cindi?, stay tuned.
NL- I think Jeremy posts encoded, invisible to the naked eye, subliminal, conspiracy theory messages in his comments and that’s what sends them to moderation….lol
Btw, origin, AHF and AMA are bedfellows performing mutual cocksuckings and anal rimmings upon each other (with condoms and toungue condoms of course).
Re: the AMA,
Did you know Origin, that more than half of Doctors’ training programs are paid for by Drug Companies (The Legal “Cartel”)?
Now, think…
Q: Who do you work for?
A: The one who pays you, right?
http://thcforum.ning.com/forum/topics/fda-and-ama-corruption-thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfh4Mhp-a6U
(dramatic squirrel)