NL- Good quote from Christian Mann. The condom issue is so ridiculous to have going on in Cali, when the last three cases of HIV infection in porn happened out of state. Whether you loved or hated AIM, they did something no else could, made voluntary testing the standard in adult. And now partially thanks to good ole Weinstein AIM is gone. Does Weinstein just want to make pharm happy by selling more products for them? Or is shutting down porn in Cali his real agenda?
HIV-Positive Performer Shuts Down L.A. Porn Industry
Aug 30, 2011
By KATIE MOISSE
A porn actor’s positive HIV test, which prompted a temporary shutdown of Los Angeles’ billion-dollar adult film industry Monday night, has reignited the debate over mandatory condom use in X-rated productions.
The HIV scare comes less than one month after the launch of a new online sexual health database aimed at preventing the spread of sexually transmitted diseases among porn actors through mandatory testing. To be listed in the database — a requisite for getting work — porn actors must get tested every 30 days and present a clean bill of health. But critics say routine testing does not prevent STDs from creeping in.
"Testing is not a substitute for condom use, and it never will be," said Michael Weinstein, president of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation in Los Angeles. "No test can detect HIV from the moment of infection. There will always be a window period," which might not reflect recent infection.
The Free Speech Coalition, the industry trade group behind the database, announced the positive HIV test and requested the voluntary production moratorium Monday. A spokeswoman did not immediately respond to ABCNews.com’s request for comment.
The positive test results will be confirmed by more sensitive testing methods, but details of the case, including the performer’s name, age and sex, will not be released. It is also unclear how many sexual partners might be at risk.
"The average American male has seven female sexual partners in a lifetime. But it’s possible for a male to have seven sexual partners in a single day on porn movie set," said Weinstein. "Because this is a network that’s kind of inbred, the spread of disease could be exponential."
The AIDS Healthcare Foundation is pushing for mandatory condom use in the making of adult films — a move that’s met with strong resistance from the industry itself.
"If the market would accept condom-positive movies, that’s what we would all be making. The fact is consumers don’t want that," Christian Mann, general manger of Evil Angel Productions and unpaid Free Speech Coalition board member, told ABCNews.com when the database launched.
"The market will always trump regulation," said Mann. "If you make it so California-based productions cannot compete in the market, you’ll just drive production out of the state."
But Weinstein insists that worker safety should not be optional.
"You can’t dangle from a 30-story building from a rope; you have to wear a harness," he said. "The idea that hurting these performers is a matter of freedom of expression is simply wrong."
Disgusting.
Here’s AHF’s latest lie-strewn salvo:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hiv-porn-case-ahf-to-file-complaints-with-federal-fl-health-officials-against-producers-2011-08-31
Note that he calls this an “outbreak.”
An outbreak means multiple (related) exposures within the industry. Someone working as a performer and also coming down with HIV does not an outbreak make. That’s an instance, not an outbreak.
There has not been an actual outbreak in 7 years.
The testing is not even complete in the instant case, so how can he call it an outbreak? Because he’s WISHING FOR an outbreak.
This is the organization that DESTROYED the health clinic for the adult industry. And now they seem to deny it. For God’s sake, they PICKETED in front of AIM.
Weinstein also repeats debunked LA County numbers (which LA County publicly backed away from in the LA Times) when he claims that this is “thought to be the 23rd industry-related HIV case since 2004.”
Finally, Weinstein accuses FSC of a crime — obstructing the health investigation in LA County. There IS NO LA COUNTY INVESTIGATION in this case.
Lies, lies, lies and grandstanding.
Manwin will now have little choice but to take up arms against AHF. Let’s all hope that AHF has awakened a sleeping giant who will squash their heads like so many grapes.
Let me bring some commonsense into the discussion. It is not the fact that condoms are used or not used during filming that protects the talent. The talent is generally unstable and uneducated that they escort which is highly risky, have unsafe sex in their private lives, hence condoms need to be mandatory. end of discussion. I fully support weinstein. Again if you saw what types of sexual acts these girls performed during escorting to strangers such as swallowing, bare back blow jobs and i am sure bare back sexual intercourse.
Let’s hear it for someone with a Lubben-sized level of contempt for performers — the constituency they claim to represent, love and want to protect. They’re all a bunch of reckless idiots, lunatics, skanks and criminals. Bravo!
Do you have ANY idea how offensive and harmful that stereotype is?
Commonsense. Your a fool.
sorry, but these ladies or girls need help. It is just not normal to go onscreen have sex with a stranger, let them cum in you on you. i bet most of these girls do drugs, alcohol to numb effect.
What are you doing on a porn site if you feel this way? Sounds a lot more like you need help, pal.
Um Michael, you might want to check out a certain Patient Zero’s facebook page. How he is able to afford some of the things he claims he has? Hmmm….
WOW…Have we had this convo before?? people meeting people and having condom less sex happens every fucking day…Someone somewhere right now is doing it and there doing it for free…
You truly have no clue what your talking about..Because your insecure in YOUR OWN sexuality dont condemn others..I dont smoke, drink or do drugs..And i would gladly have sex on camera with a stranger..In fact ive done it many times, just didn’t put the vid up.,..
I think you may need to join the Pink Cross…You remind me of Mogato when he tried to brainwash Zoolander…Porn is bad, Shelley is good..keep saying it and maybe click your heels together at the same time..
You guys don’t get it at all. Sean and michael go do it for about a year have sex on film, with talent that also ESCORTS, see if you can mentally deal with it. I highly doubt it. Unless of course you are using some sort of substance. Again the female talent has deep rooted psychological issues. show me some success stories in porn. The females don’t turn out ok. Evevn jenna jameson not doing too well. read her book.
Quoting NOt-So-Commonsense:
For someone who calls himself “commonsense”, you make exactly NO sense.
“Uneducated and unstable”??? As compared to who?? Geroge Rekers, the holy roller who preached about the evil of homosexuality..while using Rentboy.com as his own personal recruitment agency? Carrie “My God says that sex outside of marriage is a sin..but if I want to make a tape of myself masturbating, well, praise Jesus!!” Prejean?? Mark “Give me some fresh young House pages” Foley?? You mean, that people with college degrees and professional resumes can’t be stable enough to engage in sex with each other safely?? With or eithout a condom??
And as for escorting….please. I guess that you and Monica simply assume that working escorts are incapable of taking precautions to protect themselves and their clients?? Maybe the reason why so many porn girls go to escorting might be due to the bad economy forcing them to seek alternative sources of income other than shooting scenes or running websites. But whatever the motivation, even they have the right to practice what they do safely. Why not decriminalize all consensual sex work and give them more resources to be more safe, rather than crack on them?
And I really, really hate to break this to you, but “bareback blowjobs” are the default for damn near everyone who engages in sex. Condoms are swell for PIV and anal intercourse for protection against pregnancy and STI, but for BJ’s they are essentially ineffective, since oral sex is not the main transmitter of HIV or any other STD. Plus, condoms aren’t very condusive to decent blowjobs, because they just don’t taste to well. Ask any woman who has done a hummer.
Bareback sex between partners who are clean will not spread any diseases. That is proven FACT. Testing, isolating and treating those who are infected is a far more effective approach to STI protection, with respect for and deferrence to those who want to use condoms as a backstop being a reinforcement. Simply mandating condoms while eschewing testing is a recipe for disaster…and a complete lack of common sense.
Anthony
tell some girl who gets cum all over her face from a john that she can’t get HIV.
Calm down Shelley.
Shelley got a john’s cum AND blood on her face when she was a criminal street hooker, yet it took her handful of porn scenes years later for her to develop her mysterious herpes that she told no one about at the time, and that no doctor can find today. Her explanation: she no longer has it because “God cured her” of it.
R-I-G-H-T
She never caught HIV, but if she had I’m sure God would have cured her of that too.
Except, oddly, He let her contract the extremely common HPV and didn’t cure it, and gave her a lifetime of reproductive health issues. Why didn’t He cure those?
And by “a lifetime of reproductive health issues” I mean she inherited them genetically. Her first miscarriage came at age 17 when she was still in high school — long before she was a criminal hooker or a drug addict or a porn performer. Her mother wrote on Shelley’s website (back when Shelley still looked and sounded sober and her family thought she was actually trying to help people — they’ve since abandoned her ministry of bullshit) that Shelley herself was nearly a miscarriage.
Then there’s Shelley’s admission that she drank and took drugs through one of her successful pregnancies, and drank through the other two.
Shelley Lubben: a lifelong criminal whose trouble with the police started at age 16. An ADMITTED thief, liar, con artist, drunken/reckless driver, hustler, identity thief, drug addict and illegal prostitute who blames all her problems on others, starting with her Christian parents who, as far as I can tell, have never been in any serious trouble in their lives, and who raised two other children who’ve also lived non-criminal, non-disease-ridden, non-drug-addled lives.
As Irma Bombeck once said, The first kid is often like the first pancake.
Shelley, am I preaching your truth or what?
To Anthony,
I think some escorts are careful and take precautions – however many do not – that I know for a fact.
For the porn industry to be seen as TRULY caring about keeping the risk of STDs (mainly HIV) low, I personally feel that every porn studio and porn agency needs to agree to not book or work with talent that openly escorts or participates in rings such as TheLuxuryCompanion.com
If the studios and/or agencies don’t (or won’t) care about the public health risk, then I think the testing facilities and organizations like APHSS need to put their foot down and agree not to grant database access to studios and agents who represent or work with talents who have an issue with making a solid choice between being a porn star or an escort.
Just like “crossovers” are being asked to pick a “side” – I think all talent needs to decide right now whether they are going to be an escort – or a pornstar.
You can’t do both – it’s just not safe.
I may be wrong here, but don’t some girls perform on camera, so they can raise their escort fees?
Using the public profile it accrues to increase demand for their services?
Yes. That is very true.