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.xxx - the best way to stop censorship?
Lensman,
owner of Adult.com and GFY, writes on GFY June 3, 2005:
If adult content was on it's own TLD, it's easy to block it for
kids. No major isp is going to block it, because they'd lose 20%
of their customers. And people that want porn will have the power
to see it. I'd rather have that than have the US gov't try to prosecute
people. And if ICANN enforces it, it would be worldwide. The KEY
is that the registry MUST allow the current .com owners to get the
same domains as .xxx, without the regisgtered tm bs. If you own
a .net, you are second in line. If they don't, I can see lots of
lawsuits.
Attorney Lawrence G. Walters
writes
April 2, 2004:
For the good of the adult Internet industry, this proposal should
be approved. Having provided legal representation to the adult webmaster
community since 1995, along with other facets of the adult industry
for years before, I’ve seen many unsuccessful attempts to organize
and speak with a united voice. Organizing in the adult Internet
industry is essential; just as it is with any other highly-regulated
industry. My law firm has represented the adult industry for over
40 years, and has been involved in many organizing efforts. It may
be that the only way for this particular facet of the industry to
organize is through a non-profit foundation structured to support
both the online adult community and the broader Internet community
funded through .xxx registration revenue. A .xxx domain name option
will eventually become a reality, and the current proposal will
result in significant benefit to the industry as a whole, given
the significant funding that IFFOR could potentially secure for
the purposes of lobbying, legal defense, and media outreach.
When compared to a generic TLD proposal, the current Sponsored
TLD proposal is definitely preferable. In light of the current political
climate in the United States and elsewhere, IFFOR could become a
critical voice for the continued viability and success of the adult
website industry. Regardless of one’s feelings concerning the esoteric
advisability of a voluntary .xxx domain name registration option,
the practical realities must be addressed. Some entity will ultimately
convince ICANN to approve a TLD for the adult industry. The current
proposal by ICM Registries, Inc., sponsored by IFFOR, will bestow
benefits on the industry which far outweigh any of the potential
concerns advanced to date. The webmaster community should get behind
this proposal which will give something back, instead of waiting
for another group to submit a generic TLD proposal based purely
on profit motive.
Leaders in the Online Adult Industry Support .xxx?
Greg
Dumas (former CEO of the failed company IGallery, once one of online
porn's biggest) writes May 14, 2004:
I write this to communicate my support
for the .xxx TLD proposal. I write as an experienced member of the
online Adult Industry and have been since 1995.
I currently own an Internet marketing
company specializing in adult website marketing since 2001. Prior
to that I was President of IGallery, as subsidiary of New
Frontier media, a NASDAQ listed company from 1996 to 2001 and prior
to that was VP of Marketing for Hustler launching its flagship site
in 1995.
I am also a director of the Free Speech
Coalition since 2001.
All these companies share one belief ...
that child pornography is illegal, it is morally wrong and it should
be stopped. This application demonstrates that belief and that the
adult industry is prepared to both do something about child pornography
and open up a dialogue with the broader Internet community.
.xxx offers an opportunity for the online
adult industry act responsibly.
It provides a new forum and platform for
the online adult industry to begin to self-organize and to develop
their own credible and responsible business practices.
I have personally met with many of the
leaders in the online adult community from around the world ...
from Python Communications in Curacao ... to Netcollex in the UK
... to Hustler, Vivid, AVN and many many more have all demonstrated
their support for this application.
In addition, there is great concern about
the risks posed to the industry if .xxx was to ever become a generic
TLD.
No other application has stronger industry
support or as broad and diverse a community of International supporters
from all impacted stakeholders.
Brandon
Shalton posts on GFY: "Even if it were true that large and
visible companies that supported .XXX with letters of endorsements
that were submitted in private with financial gains (kicksbacks,commissions,
etc), and that ASACP has been in the open of its NEUTRAL stance, it
doesn't matter to you?"
An open letter to the ASACP Advisory Council
Baddog
writes on GFY 6/17/05:
During the Hot Issues and Problems in Adult Internet seminar at
Cybernet Expo in San Diego, Tom Hymes requested anyone who has,
in the past couple of years, written a letter in support of .xxx,
and has since decided that it is not as good an idea as originally
thought, contact him at the FSC.
Joan Irvine was on the panel and is one of the people he was indirectly
directing the request. Joan stated that she did not make decisions
like that, and would have to be instructed to do so by the advisory
council.
I approached Joan personally, and asked her the chances of her
rescinding her support for .xxx - She again told me to talk to the
advisory council.
I have approached a couple of you personally (Aly, Holly), and
now make a public request. FSC has stated that there is nothing
we have to benefit in the implementation of .xxx, and it does nothing
to combat CP. So how about it?
I propose that the Advisory Coucil instruct Joan to approach the
FSC and discuss what they can do to retract the implied support
Joan made in her letter.
YNOT's Editor Connor Young Pours The Heat On Joan
Irvine Of ASACP Over .XXX Domains
A source alleges: Aly was for .xxx domains because her [previous
boss] David Van Der Pool [owner of Python, Trade News] was an investor.
Alec Helmy is also an investor along with Rob Gould, Jack Gallagher
and others.
Connor
writes on GFY 6/17/05:
Anyone who knows me knows my position. At Cybernet Expo I publicily
called for ASACP to rescind its support of .XXX and write a strongly
worded letter of opposition. Other than for money, the organization
has no business supporting .XXX because it does nothing to protect
children. That should be the end of it, as far as ASACP is concerned.
Like Mike expressed earlier, I also feel sorry for Joan because
I don't think she made the final decision to send out that letter
of support. And now that it's out there she's left defending it
and trying to pretend that it's a "neutral" letter when clearly
it is not neutral. I also know that if I was on the Advisory Council
I would be absolutely PISSED about that letter, since I don't think
the Council wanted a letter of support to be sent out... it looks
like someone else made that decision and hoped to get away with
it.
ASACP has a CLEAR opportunity here to do the right thing. We all
heard Joan in San Diego say that if the Advisory Council tells her
to write a letter of opposition then she will be required to do
so. The Advisory Council should put that to the test.... give Joan
the instruction she needs to do the right thing, and if she STILL
doesn't do it or else writes some confusing and vague letter that
can be read in 10 different ways then the members of the Council
should think long and hard about why they are volunteering their
time with this organization, and who is REALLY pulling the strings.
I would like to be supportive of ASACP, but their position on .XXX
and their failure to do the right thing here makes it difficult.
Mike South writes:
ASACP can SAY they are neutral but a neutral party doesn't take
kickbacks. Nuff said. They sold out, now withdraw your support...I
have had my beefs with the FSC in the past but on the issues of
2257 and .XXX the FSC is batting 2 for 2 Tell ASACP and anyone else
selling you out to go f--- themselves.
ASACP board members are:
* Aly Drummond, AVN * Michelle Freridge, Free Speech Coalition * Alec
Helmy, XBiz.com * Chris Jester, SplitInfinity * Holly Moss, HMoss
Consulting * Larry Paciotti, CCLR Internet * Scott Rabinowitz, TrafficDude
* Morgan Sommer, Cybersocket * Amanda Gross, Epoch Transaction Services
1/31/07
Mike South Vs.
XBiz
I've been friends with Mike South since 1997 but I am equally tight with
Alec Helmy, Gretchen Gallen and other folks at XBiz. I believe I can report
this story fairly.
Mike hates .xxx domains. He
doesn't want porn segregated.
Mike calls XBiz owner Alec Helmy and much of the XBiz crew "dirtbags"
and other nasty names because Mike believes they are pushing .xxx domains.
I had always thought that porn was the last bastion for socratic dialogue.
I've been out of the loop for 24 hours installing my new computer --
HP XW 4400.
Wednesday morning, Jan. 31:
MikeSouth: off the record...doe you get money from xbiz?
Luke: they are an advertiser yes
MikeSouth: k then you probably dont wish to join the committee dedicated
to ridding porn of them
Luke: lol, i am happy to report on such committee
MikeSouth: drama all
over gfy and my site
Luke: i will check it out
MikeSouth: its gettin nasty Im gettin calls from everywhere
MikeSouth: mostly saying way to go dude
Luke: Has XBiz threatened your life?
MikeSouth: yes
Luke: Gretchen Gallen can be mean
MikeSouth: in that gfy thread
Luke: whoa
MikeSouth: vendzilla...whoever he is pretty much threatened my life
MikeSouth: they posted pics on their board of themselves with guns trying
to shut us up
Why
is XBiz's Stephen Yagielowicz posing with a gun? Is this a statement
to Mike South?
On Jan. 31, Vendzilla posted this
picture of himself with a gun on the XBiz board.
Vendzilla
(aka Brett Gilliat, a moderator for the XBIZ board and for GFY) writes
to tony404: "Your not looking at the car in the background or the
size of my hands wraped around that gun, I crack head for fun, I shoot
for fun, being tough is pretty easy for me."
On January 27, three days before posting a picture of himself with a
gun and boasting about his love for violence, Vendzilla
posted on the XBIZ board about his 18-year old daughter graduating bootcamp.
He then a picture of her (with her permission).
When Mike South posted on GFY
that Vendzilla had a daughter and should back off from making threats,
Vendzilla
became furious.
I don't know why XBIZ and GFY would employ somebody as a moderator who
posts "I crack head for fun."
Tom Hymes, XBiz Publisher, writes to Mike South: "Contrary to your
implication that XBIZ supports .XXX, we actually oppose it. However, we
do not agree that providing a forum for members of the industry to, as
you put it,"find out exactly how ICM Registry and Stuart Lawley plan to
fuck us," is a bad thing, or that it implies support in any way. It does
not."
Polish Aristocrat posts on GFY:
"Don't know who supports what, but looking at that thread there,
it's obvious that .xxx is perceived in a better way at the Xbiz board
than it is on GFY."
Stephen
Yagielowicz posts that .xxx domains are inevitable.
Stephen responds to my questions:
Hi Luke;
* I'm late to your dispute with Mike South. What is going on here?
> *I* am not having a dispute with Mike South. He has taken it upon
himself to engage me in personal attacks for his own agenda, due to
my relationship with XBIZ. He is "demanding" information from my friend,
Alec Helmy, and I tried to shed some light on the facts of the issues,
in line with what I could say without directly disclosing information
provided to me in confidence by third parties. This has made me a target
for his amusement. I've never dealt with him before and don't know why
he insists on taking an unprofessional stance in relation to me and
my opinions, but personal attacks are to be expected from those with
weak arguments.
* Why did you ask him to remove the picture of you with the gun from
his website?
> To be honest, I could care less if he had that photo of me (or any
other on his website), but when he stoops to attacking me personally
and without warrant, the last thing that I'm going to do is let him
walk on violating my copyright.
* Why did you pose with the gun?
> That photo was taken several years ago after a trip to the range
and has appeared previously on our message board. One of our mods was
showing off his "big gun" – I posted a pic showing my "little gun" –
if you read the thread where it appears, you'll see that despite Mike's
comments on his blog, *I* didn't threaten anyone. I'm a businessman,
not a punk, despite his comments about me. I hasten to add that he doesn't
know me from a hole in the ground.
* Do you have a position on .xxx domains?
> Absolutely. You can learn all about it later today in my next blog
post. It'll be a good read. =) You
can see my views on why it's important to have Lawley speak at the XBH
show next week.
To be honest, Luke, I've never read any of Mike South's stuff before
(although I read your column years ago), but if the inaccuracies he
portrays in his comments about me personally and the larger issues at
hand are any indication of the quality or verity of his work, then I
can't imagine why anyone would take him seriously. There's a lot of
blog fodder in this industry to go around, without personal attacks
on me.
Alec
Helmy posts on the XBiz board:
As far as me somehow facilitating .XXX to get approved - heh, as if
I have that kinda power - thanks, I'm flattered. Believe it or not,
no one within the adult industry has the power to get .XXX approved.
What XBIZ has done is facilitate an open dialogue with a TLD that
may get approved and has the power to impact our industry.
We can either turn a blind eye or instead try to learn about its plans,
ask questions and do whatever we can to influence its direction for
the best interest of the industry - I along with many others prefer
the latter, as is evident in the number of folks attending the event.
I email Alec Helmy: "Do you support .xxx domains and do you have
a financial interest in them?"
He responds: "I do not support .XXX because of the various concerns
and unknowns already discussed on the boards. Should it get approved,
it'll be best to try to influence its direction - and not for financial
gains."
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