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Paul Fishbein's AVN Part One Part Two Part Three Part Four Part Five Part Six Part Seven Part Eight 5/26/99 AVN publisher Paul Fishbein adamantly denies rumors that he and AVN have invested in the prostitution operation www.la-vip.net. Fishbein also denies rumors that he and AVN had a big consulting deal with Ed Reyes’ company which is going down in flames, I hear. Ed Reyes’ company won two big awards at the first annual AVN Internet Awards, including for best graphics. Ed is a superb flash animator. 6/1/99 Deep Throat writes Luke: Here's the truth, the whole truth, so help me God…. Sept. 7th, 1998 10:06pm - An Email message is sent to us from a Edgar Reyes, Ed for the remainder of this article. He said he was the president of AEG, Adult Entertainment Group, Inc. He was in development of a very huge Adult website. We get email like this all the time, but what made this interesting was that he was actually trying something new in adult websites at the time…but now is becoming the norm if you look around. He was working exclusively in Flash/Macromedia technology. It was new and interesting and he had a knack for some interesting graphics. But, he was also doing something totally new, by not just making an interesting opening you sometime now see on sites but a whole site in the Flash format. It really was impressive. We ended up meeting him and he seems like a nice guy, totally naïve with the adult industry, living out of his brothers garage working on his site and snagging software from his brother. His brother works for a major software company. He wanted to finally make a name for himself and thought he should enter his site in the AVN/IA2000 awards coming up. He felt that would make him. And kept asking us about AVN. We just said me careful who you go to bed with, cause you will regret it later. They will steel your ideas for their site if they get the chance, so just be careful we said. He said his ultimate plan was to create a browser, similar to AOL but formatted for adult sites. A one stop interface that would have all the major players on this adult interface. He designed something to this effect at: I think it's still up. He said he would make it with the prominent presence of AVN on its start up menu. We said that should help in the awards since most at AVN are so vain. Of course, it was pretty slick and we never doubted his talent, just that he was like a little child walking into this VERY grown-up world of adult, we knew he would probably get swallowed up after winning some of the major awards at the show. December/January 1999: At this same time, a major outcall service called Society X was looking to develop a website that would blow away their competition like exotics.com, thatmall.com and all the other outcall services that advertise heavy in the back of LA Weekly and the likes. They went to Don at Atlas Multimedia first and being the honest guy that he is, he told them "I got nominated for Best Graphics at the AVN/IE200 awards show." Well that wouldn't do, they wanted to know who won. And that's how Ed comes back into the picture. He is so floored that someone finally wants him to design a site he does everything they say. They fly him to parties all across the state and into Las Vegas for the big Pimp & Ho Ball and he's like a kid in a candy store. Loving every minute of it. They then did the gesture of what he had wanted all along, to go to Vegas for the CES show and meet Paul Fishbein to personal pick up his award from him. That's pretty wild, they didn't even send it, but had it there for him and to "take a meeting with Paul" before the AVN awards show. It's funny, we passed them all in the hall after their meeting and we were onto "taking our meeting with Paul" but for coverage clearance. Their whole trip lasted maybe 4 hours and they had to get back to LA to get things in order. We asked what they were talking about and Ed said he would call us to let us know what happened at this meeting. Late January: We get a call from Ed to come and see our new offices. We said "our offices?" He said to come down to 6345 Balboa Blvd. Suite 26 in Encino, that we had to talk. Fine, we're curious. We meet at this very nice office building that's still setting up shop. Ed's there with the guys at Society X. We all introduce ourselves and get down to business. They wanted to let us know that all them have created a company together called "King Tut Productions". It would be a development company of internet ideas. Creating high end websites and making Society X it's major client. They figured since they already make $1.5 million a year from their girls they could get all the business now taking over the advertising on the internet away from all the major players. The heads of this new company was a guy named Jason who along with his partner Jeff Dettloff started Society X. They hired on Ed and now had this internet/development company called King Tut Productions. Under this company banner, they would create "Pharaoh Media" and get into broadcast advertising. Big ideas for such a new company we thought. They said they could do it cause they were getting all their girls to advertise with them on the new site they created at: They kept mentioning how big they were getting even without the help from "Vegas people". Something about them trying to take over their LA area. Mob stuff I guess. Now mind you, Ed is a newbie to the adult work and he was just impressed with these guys with there girls, limos they came in to work all the time and the money. And they had Ed by the balls. When he wanted to move out of his brothers place, they said "no problem Ed" and would pull out a briefcase filled with stacks of $5000 stacks. Give him two and say here's the first and last month rent on an apartment. I don't think he was even getting a salary working for these guys, just cash whenever he needed it. So he was totally into these guys and they kept saying they had some big plans. They wanted to be bigger than IEG with their contract girls bringing attention to their sites, like Chasey Lain, Taylor Hayes, Jenna Jameson and the likes. They were going to do the same thing and needed our help since we knew the girls and could "persuade them". We said we could only ask and the choice would ultimately be theirs. They said they already had an in with a major girl brought to them by one of their future employees of this new company. We asked who. They said Darren, editor at AVN. We asked if AVN was in this business and they said after their meeting in Vegas, Paul called and introduced them to Darren and to his wife. Paul wanted to work with them so they would make a site for him to help him move all of his videos he gets for his stores, I guess the chain is called Video Xcitement, in the valley and on the westside. He then would have Darren get them girls for their super site they kept talking about. Darren brought in Misty Rain. In exchange, they would have to make a pay website for his wife to hock all her junk to sell. All this weird bartering! In return Darren would get them more girls to represent. The King Tut guys had everyone convince they would be the hot shit on the block, with help of the main guys at AVN. The two top guys in fact, just weeks after the winning of the IE/2000 awards, and just after flying out for a meeting with Fishbein at the AVN Awards show. They even were getting some free ads in AVN promoting Misty Rain as this big superstar of the internet, even though we mentioned to them that she was the flavor of the day…4 years ago. How we were involved with all this was that they wanted us to head up their "TV Production" unit, creating commercials and later internet TV shows for their sites. We said sure if it had a check. They then mentioned, could we work under Paul Fishbein. We said we thought he was just getting advertising for them and girls through Darren. They said, "In six weeks, we are going public, under a different heading and as KTUT on the Nasdac, as penny stocks." That was their big idea to get the girls to work for them. They would offer them 1000 shares of stock to sign on them with them and they could retire with all the money in the stock market they were going to make. Well, they didn't tell them they were penny stocks. So if they were lucky to make a whole dollar after awhile they might make $100. Not much huh! They said they could get the income to create this TV division from all their investors, most in a Canadian firm that wanted to start investing in adult sites but couldn't come out and say adult, since the Nasdac no longer excepts such sites, and also with their new number one investor…Paul Fishbein. We said what? They said, "Fishbein is going to invest $100,000 to get into this venture." They now had all this seed money supposedly coming in, besides what they were making from their Society X girls and from all the girls advertising on their sites. We saw the invoices and they we're starting to bill out $13,000 a month and were to make all these Casino sites for $300,000 each. So they said they were ready. We were to still make the show but they would sell advertising to everyone through it. We said we would give it a try since it looks like they were making money, until I started talking to Ed. He was working 20 hour days for them, no weekends and totally burned out to keep up with their plans, and he was a 1/3 owner of this venture. Yet, they went home ever night at 7pm and had nice homes and Ed was sleeping on the couch at the office. This started to scare us a little bit. And when he said he wasn't getting a salary yet, cause it was a "company just starting out, and we have to make some sacrifices." We didn't want that. We already have lives and don't need to sacrifice anything. We were just about to back out of everything, when they called us into another meeting. This time to tell us they had Fishbein on the Board of Directors and that he was now going to invest $200,000! We were in awe. Didn't know Fishbein has that much funny money to play around with. At this point they still didn't have Misty's site up and it had missed it's April deadline, then it's May, and now is June one I bet. Check it out. I don't think it still up yet, and probably never will. We gave a contract we were willing to work with, since theirs said they would basically own us and our children's children forever. Well they didn't like that and totally cut us off and stopped calling us. Even after we did ALOT of legwork on getting them info on how to go about starting a production company. We did keep out some key information though that they will never understand about television production and that will keep them in the dark for quite awhile. I emailed Fishbein about his involvement about the company and his assistant emailed us back the next day. (Mind you, Fishbein has NEVER returned one of my emails before. I would email a letter every day for weeks till a tech guy asked me to stop). That's was the general policy there, not to talk to us guys, in reference to something Gene Ross did to us a year ago, but that's another story. So when we got a response back, it was a shocker. She told us that all the info was false and he was only asked to be on a board of directors when they went public. But we said who works for free on a board of directors without being an investor. She wouldn't answer any more. Since then, things have really quieted down at the offices of King Tut. Don't know if it was the email I sent to Paul and he got cold feet or what. You can call the guys there and say you are doing a news story and try to get info on your own, should make for a very interesting ending to this whole thing. Luke had this IM conversation on AOL with another source: Porner: BTW, everyone seems to think that I am the one that told you that Jenna referred to Dominic Acerra (Dr. X) as "her little nigger." Porner: Oh. Figured AVN made you type your last update, handwrite a suicide note, then offed you! Porner: Although the company appears to be going down in flames, so I don't know if it would still be much of a story. Porner: A company you mentioned on your site before. Porner: LA VIP ..escort operation. Porner: They were trying to expand into netstuff and cable and Paul Fishbein, AVN publisher, was one of their main bankrollers. Luzdedos1: paul fish funded them? Porner: He jumped on board as "consultant" right about the same time that he and AVN were giving them two of the main awards at IA2000 earlier in the year. Luzdedos1: oh boy, great story Porner: He was in for about 100k, from what they told us. Porner: They were planning on going public on the stock market and he was buying in on the IPO. Luzdedos1: when did i mention la vip and in what context? Porner: They run one of the big escort services here in LA. Luzdedos1: oh boy, yes, what is their url? Porner: They are all over the back of LA Weekly and have a site: www.la-vip.net. Luzdedos1: ok Luzdedos1: great stuff Porner: Paul was also sending them porn chicks, who they were trying to sign up to do their sites. Porner: Only Misty Rain was foolish enough to go with them. Luzdedos1: Did they have the porno chicks flipping tricks? Porner: Although they still haven't been able to get it together and open her site. Porner: It went from the LA VIP guys telling us that he was buying in as one of their partners to Paul's secretary telling us that he was being paid by them to consult. Porner: Oh yeah, one other thing. Porner: Paul made them hire on his assistant's wife. Luzdedos1: Darren Robert's wife allison? Porner: That guy that bilked AVN at Halloween, Darren something or rather. Porner: Yes. Porner: That's her. Luzdedos1: hmmm Porner: Apparently she is quite the load and is drawing a free check from them since Paul told them to bring her on. Porner: I was reading the stuff on Gene's site a while back from Scotty Schwartz. Porner: Although Scotty is a buddy and he makes me laugh, I had to laugh at his ass-kissy letter that he sent Gene. Porner: It reminded me of the year that Scotty was up for Best Non-Sex role for the Christy Canyon movie "Comeback". Luzdedos1: yes Porner: We saw Scotty that night at the Awards show (the one and only time I will ever sit through that f---ing thing). Porner: He told us confidentially before the show that he wasn't nervous at all because he was told he had the award in the bag. Porner: I asked him how he knew and he told me that he had been plying Gene with expensive silk shirts for the three months before the awards. Porner: The funny thing is, he didn't win. Porner: I asked him afterwards about it and he said that he was going to rat out Gene but who was he going to tell it to. Porner: These were back in the Dark Ages, before the advent of Luke F-rd, mind you. Porner: Ironic that now that you are here and could have told Scotty's story, now you are the rat f--- and Gene is a respected member of the porn world. Porner: In Scotty's eyes, anyways. Porner: So when you next see Gene running around in those God awful, pimp looking silk shirts he wears, you should ask him "My God, does Scotty Schwartz dress you?!?". AVN publisher Paul Fishbein says that the above information is so far from the truth that it's nauseating. And that if I print it, AVN may go for a libel suit. This time, if they do it, AVN won't ask for a retraction, they'll just go for it. Paul says that he has not invested a dime in the company. He was asked to be on their board of directors. All of my information is otherwise f---ed up or completely convoluted. Paul writes 6/1/99: "Again, most of this information about me is wrong. What these guys have done and said, I obviously cannot answer for. There must be a bizarro Paul Fishbein world in an alternative universe where I do things. Again, I cannot answer for Ed or Jason or anything they do and say. They do not work for me. I have not invested one dime in their company. I do not consult for them. I have never sent them one girl. I have never been involved with or privy to their deal with Misty Rain (never even discussed it with her or Chad). They asked me to be on their board of directors when they went public. I said I was interested and that if I had any money, I might invest (see how convoluted things get) just as I would any other interesting stock. Never met the guys till after the internet awards (voted on my experts n the internet field and not us). After that, my partners in my store business made a deal with them to do a site for my stores which are all in Pennsylvania (promotional site, not a mail order site) which hasn't happened yet (our fault, not theirs). They went to Philadelphia and dealt with one of my partners. Don't even remember meeting with them in Las Vegas (met with them here), but who knows. By the way, my assistant never told anyone that I was being paid to consult. Not only is it not true, she wouldn't be able to comment on it. That is all. Now please leave me alone." Ed Reyes Responds A week ago, Luke aired charges on this site about Ed Reyes, a superb flash animator and winner of AVN's Best Graphics Award, and his work for www.lavip.net. Luke had several sources allege that Paul Fishbein and AVN were intimately involved in the www.lavip.net operation. Fishbein and AVN totally denied having a financial interest in www.lavip.net. Ed believes that Luke's sources (called Deep Throat in Luke's original posting) were John Douglas and Steve Michaels of www.talkingblue.com. (Luke won't reveal his sources.) Reyes writes to them, responding to their request that he remove his link to www.talkingblue.com and his claim that he is that site's operator: No problem, consider it done. By the way, let me clear some things for you before you make any assumptions again. Your proposal [that Douglas and Michaels work for Reyes] was turned down because your salary requirements could not be justified, considering you guys don't make $1500 a week, maybe you do (maybe I'm wrong, I don't see your paystubs but that is the amount you requested), how do you guys justify your value with regards to the show. I told them that It's because you would play multiple roles (editor, camera guy, etc.) they didn't buy that. If you guys were that good to command that much money, and you knew so much about the industry, you would be doing this professionally and not having to sell autographs on e-bay to fund your show. I did try. And I did ask Jason, to offer you money for making those dubs and producing the trailer footage. He said he was going to reimburse any costs you may have incurred, I assumed he did, I don't know what conversations the two of you had. But like every single meeting we had, it seemed nobody would just say anything, what they wanted, what they needed, it was all based on assumptions. I brought you guys in to meet with Jason and Jeff so that you can cut the deal with them, leaving me impartial and allowing the two of you to command what you want from two new potential financiers of your show. I wasn't asking for anything, but in the deal I was supposed to build the new Talking Blue site. Was anyone willing to pay for my time doing this or was it something that I had to sacrifice because unlike you guys I don't have a life and I lived out of my brother's garage. And also, since it was King Tut, wanting to finance the Talking Blue Show, are you telling me that if someone finances a project like a TV show that they aren't going to ask for a majority of the rights. According to our attorney's interpretation of your proposal to Pharaoh Media, it basically stated that Pharaoh Media would finance four shows, spend money on marketing and advertising and then after a certain period, ownership reverts back to you? Is this correct? That's what they told me. And then Jason and Bill had their Hollywood Attorney draw up their contract. To be honest with you, I didn't like it. But Bill said it was a standard contract. If they finance a project they retain the rights. I said, well I don't think Talking Blue will like that. They wanted to play hardball with you two. So you know what, I took myself OFF of their project to work on my stuff. I knew that without me guiding them, and yes I have a lot of experience in TV production that even you guys don't know, but I'm not going to say anything, because I wanted to see how much you two really know about what it is you do and what you want to do with regards to Talking Blue. I knew that by taking myself out, they would end up spending more money for "their" project and it would be less likely to SUCCEED, but they would learn their lesson at a very costly price, their money not mine, their time not mine. I wanted to be impartial from that point on. This way if they failed in the venture it was their own fault, not mine. Then I would say I told you so. Although I did suggest to them that they reconsider their position with Talking Blue. No Deal. So I let them do their own thing. I was sure that the two of you guys would've continued or taken Mimi's other project or work with Brittany. Which I see is evident on your site. I knew that at least Talking Blue would still be around. The guys are still pursuing their TV show with the guidance of Bill, not me. So why is it that you felt it necessary to expose me on Luke F-rd's site? Please tell me that, it wasn't you. That is my assumption, because the only people who know that much about me would be you two guys, cause I don't even get to leave the office to converse with anyone. And the first people I met in this VERY grown up world of adult was Dave Michaels and John Douglas of "Talking Blue" fame. Before I met Jeff, Jason, Paul, Darren, Allison, Chad or Misty. It was you two guys. Now you've done it. First someone implicated on a post on Luke F-rd's site that Paul financed a prostitution site called lavip.net and that I was the owner. Then a person who swears to GOD that he knows the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth (a person called Deep Throat) goes on with this whole story about me, my involvement, with AVN and King Tut. Well my lawyer has read this letter and not only were statements false, some true, but everything convoluted, the damage was done. I'm having my lawyer subpoena everyone that I feel could have been involve with the information in that letter. THIS MEANS YOU AND JOHN WILL BE SEEING ME IN COURT. IF IT'S PROVEN THAT THE TWO OF YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THIS IN ANY WAY I'LL BE SUING LUKE FOR POSTING IT. FOR HAVING POSTED IT EVEN AFTER AVN'S WARNING AND NOT HAVING CHECKED WITH ME ON THE VALIDITY OF THE STATEMENTS, AND YOU FOR WRITING IT. THAT IS, IF MY ATTORNEY CAN LINK YOU WITH THE STATEMENTS MADE WITHIN THE LETTER. Without first checking the validity of your statements do you realize that not only did I LOSE the project which was already set in motion with Paul's friends' Video store in Philadelphia (a project worth $13,000.00 (plus a monthly maintenance fee), that was greenlighted and ready for me to pick up a deposit this week is NOW DEAD, all thanks to the posting in Luke F-rd) Paul simply made the recommendation, because at that point of my company starting out, any project that could help me put food on the table would've been worth doing, Paul had nothing to do with this, I dealt with his partner [Stuart] from that point on, even flew to Philly, his partner liked my work and agreed to the hire me on. And not because Paul told him so! I'm one of many webmasters Paul has access to. In the end it's how I sell myself to his friend. I barely make anything for myself and now this Deep Throat guy causes me to lose a very big account, especially at a time when I could really use the money, and what did I do to deserve this? Not only that, other clients who do glance at Luke's site declined to do business with me based on allegations that Paul is funding me and that I have a prostitution website. You can check my AEG bank account, it's pretty much been empty for the past six months. In my next email, just if you were at all interested in the truth, the real truth and nothing but the truth. I'll break down Deep Throats letter. If you feel you would like to post or email these letters to Luke or post it on your site I'd reconsider because these will be my final communications with the two of you until this matter is resolved and someone pays for me lost income. By the way I still have John's 20 dollar Lost In Space CD, and you have my $800 dollar PhotoShop 5 CD and some of my Flash books. Keep it if you want I bought another one. That's more than enough to cover for the Lost In Space CD. Ed Reyes, CEO Adult Entertainment Group [PS] You know what I'll post it and send it to Luke myself, because if people don't read my side of the story they'll think that there is truth behind the whole allegation. Because I didn't respond, truth is, I never read Luke's site until it was brought to my attention by Paul. Saying that he may SUE, and you know what if its proven that you did do this to me, I can not predict the outcome. All I know is that it won't be me just suing Deep Throat, you've got a handful of people suing him as well. So let the games and the honesty begin. By the way I don't know Luke and I hope that by him posting my story that this matter can be clearified. PART TWO: In Response to Deep Throat and those who I hope aren't interested in this story. But here it goes: (This is my deposition to my Attorney before he left for France this weekend, he will be back and when he does, we'll be ready to RUMBLE) (Accusation #1.) "AVN publisher Paul Fishbein adamantly denies rumors that he and AVN have invested in the prostitution operation www.la-vip.net. Fishbein also denies rumors that he and AVN had a big consulting deal with Ed Reyes’company which is going down in flames, I hear. Ed Reyes’ company won two big awards at the first annual AVN Internet Awards, including for best graphics. Ed is a superb flash animator." ED's truth: Paul should deny these rumors because AVN has not invested or given a penny to my company or toward's LAVIP. I was asked to build the website lavip.net, so that independent dancers, escorts, etc. can place their advertisement online on this website and that's all. I don't pimp girls and I'm not involved in prostitution (nor is PAUL), I just place their ads. By the way so does my competitors, and the newspapers. (so get the facts straight first, because what you alleged is very damaging, irregardless if it is a rumor.) In fact I've given him [Paul Fishbein] money FOR PAID ADVERTISING in his magazine, so maybe the investment part is the other way around. Don't believe me, ask their sales department or should I show you the receipts! About a big consulting deal with AVN, well business is business and obviously if your not involved, its none of your business. Here's a consulting deal for you, Paul has a dog in his office, I have a dog in my office. I ask where does he go to get his dogs groomed, he tells me and then I go to get my dog groomed. How's that for consultation, really big huh. About going down in flames, you know what, since I've moved, it's been so hot in the Valley I'm just burning up down here. I only won one award, Best Graphics and nominated for Best Plugins, FF5 one that one. Being a superb flash animator, well my work can only speak for itself, everyone has their own opinion. (People who knows about LAVIP or can be linked to this accusation for my attorney to question are, DAVE MICHAELS, JOHN DOUGLAS, Paul Fishbein, Darren and Allison Roberts, Chad Thomas and Misty Rain) Deep Throat writes Luke: "Here's the truth, the whole truth, so help me God…. [Accusation #2.] Sept. 7th, 1998 10:06pm - An Email message is sent to us from a Edgar Reyes, Ed for the remainder of this article. He said he was the president of AEG, Adult Entertainment Group, Inc. He was in development of a very huge Adult website. We get email like this all the time, but what made this interesting was that he was actually trying something new in adult websites at the time…but now is becoming the norm if you look around. He was working exclusively in Flash/Macromedia technology. It was new and interesting and he had a knack for some interesting graphics. But, he was also doing something totally new, by not just making an interesting opening you sometime now see on sites but a whole site in the Flash format. It really was impressive. We ended up meeting him and he seems like a nice guy, totally naïve with the adult industry, living out of his brothers garage working on his site and snagging software from his brother. His brother works for a major software company. "He wanted to finally make a name for himself and thought he should enter his site in the AVN/IA2000 awards coming up. He felt that would make him. And kept asking us about AVN. We just said me careful who you go to bed with, cause you will regret it later. They will steel your ideas for their site if they get the chance, so just be careful we said. "He said his ultimate plan was to create a browser, similar to AOL but formatted for adult sites. A one stop interface that would have all the major players on this adult interface. He designed something to this effect at: www.adultonlinenetwork.com think it's still up. He said he would make it with the prominent presence of AVN on its start up menu. "We said that should help in the awards since most at AVN are so vain. Of course, it was pretty slick and we never doubted his talent, just that he was like a little child walking into this VERY grown-up world of adult, we knew he would probably get swallowed up after winning some of the major awards at the show." ED's truth: Well what can I say. Yes I am the owner of AEG, yes this is my site, yes I built the site in Flash, yes I entered it in the AVN/IA2000, yes I did ask about AVN, yes my plan was to create an AOL like browser formatted for Adult Sites. NOW, no I did not live out of my brother's garage (what am I a CAR? I heard of musicians sleeping in their CAR, but this is ridiculous), I lived in his tiny computer room, slept on the floor with my dog, and worked on my website 20 hours a day. All I can say is that the only two people who could have received an EMAIL from me would be DAVE MICHAELS and JOHN DOUGLAS of TALKING BLUE. I did email the two when I was building my site, because I was looking for content to develop and add to the site to make it interesting. I didn't think I would get a response, but I did. We met with JOHN and DAVE, my brother and my sister in law treated them out to late dinner at IHOP in Norwalk. We got to talking and learning more about each other. I did ask about AVN, because I wanted to know if I stood a chance in winning or was it all politics based on Advertisers. They did quote to me, "We just said be careful who you go to bed with, cause you will regret it later. They will steal your ideas for their site if they get the chance, so just be careful we said." Wow, I guess I better not deal with them (AVN), because they told me about what Gene Ross, Teena Touch did to them with regard to the Talking Blue Site (I believe there is an entry in Luke's Site right after my story, and a response on gene ross's site ABOUT AVN STEALING THE TALKING BLUE SITE). But I did make an offer that I would help give their current Talking Blue website a Flash makeover, free of charge. In return they would get me or recommend me to the girls they know in the business, like Brittany Andrews and Shyla Foxxx, girls that have hosted their show. Wow, I've got this big deal going with Talking Blue and now their sending girls my way. (HEY PAUL how come you're not getting girls to call me? Talking Blue has got you out number 2 girls to zero, what's up with that?) All this and a whole month prior to my SO CALLED BIG AVN DEAL and DARREN sending me girls. (By the way, they did put me in touch with Shyla Foxx in Arizona, nice person, but it was brief. And we did take a trip to see Brittany Andrews at her place, nice person, but again brief. But they did make the introductions after I move into my new office, but the offer was there.) They pretty much had nothing good or positive to say about AVN in every question I asked. After our meeting, my brother asks, so what do you think? I said well the awards aren't until Oct, we'll see, I know if what they said was true and it's all politics at AVN, and I don't stand a chance because, I've got multimillion dollar websites as my competitors. I said, I'm nobody if I don't win, at least I tried. Also that I wouldn't cast judgements about AVN until I get to know them personally. Just because TALKING BLUE feels that they got f---ed over by AVN, I wasn't going to allow their opinions deter me from wanting to meet with them. Everyone is different. My take on the stealing is, if you have an idea, so does everyone else, if you build it and someone takes it from your site, then it's stealing. To say you had this idea for a site, with categories and buttons and whatever and AVN stole it. Well, I have an idea for a site with categories, buttons and whatever and I'm going to build my own version. Is that stealing or being competitive? Or are you just looking for someone to blame because your last webmaster screwed you, so you started designing the site on your own, and now AVN has this new site based on your ideas? Which came first AVN or TALKING BLUE? Come ON... BEING A CHILD????? I may be new to this industry, but you guys must have been where I was before you got into the biz. Not knowing anyone or anything, learning the ropes and the major players. (unless you guys had some pre-natal porno training that you guys are the know it alls about Porn) But to call me a CHILD, grow up, and think about the person you say things like that first. Do you think I want people that I'm doing business with to see the portrait DEEP THROAT painted of me in this letter. How do you expect people to take me seriously if you make allegations like this. How do you think it will effect my ability to make a good honest living? And I do work hard..... (ONLY People who knows about this EMAIL or can be linked to this accusation for my attorney to question are, DAVE MICHAELS and JOHN DOUGLAS, you know what guys I still have all my EMAIL's and I submitted them to my attorney as exhibit A, very long emails remember. Your AOL email Ultraindy@aol.com, Pornodave@aol.com, TalkBlue@aol.com) account links you to the credit card which you use for your dial-up acccess to AOL, my attorney has contacted AOL before he left. I have my brother and my sister in law as witnesses to our meeting. I don't know how DEEP THROAT could've intercepted a copy of my personal email. Good Luck when my attorney questions you two, remember you'll be under oath.) Accusation #3. [Run on Luke's site last week.] "December/January 1999: At this same time, a major outcall service called Society X was looking to develop a website that would blow away their competition like exotics.com, thatmall.com and all the other outcall services that advertise heavy in the back of LA Weekly and the likes. "They went to Don at Atlas Multimedia first and being the honest guy that he is, he told them "I got nominated for Best Graphics at the AVN/IE200 awards show." Well that wouldn't do, they wanted to know who won. And that's how Ed comes back into the picture. "He is so floored that someone finally wants him to design a site he does everything they say. They fly him to parties all across the state and into Las Vegas for the big Pimp & Ho Ball and he's like a kid in a candy store. Loving every minute of it. They then did the gesture of what he had wanted all along, to go to Vegas for the CES show and meet Paul Fishbein to personal pick up his award from him. That's pretty wild, they didn't even send it, but had it there for him and to "take a meeting with Paul" before the AVN awards show. "It's funny, we passed them all in the hall after their meeting and we were onto "taking our meeting with Paul" but for coverage clearance. Their whole trip lasted maybe 4 hours and they had to get back to LA to get things in order. We asked what they were talking about and Ed said he would call us to let us know what happened at this meeting." ED's truth: Well this is true, Society X, did ask me to develop a website for them, to go up against their competitors. They did go to Atlas Multimedia, they were going to have their site built by them because like you said, honest DON told them that "he got nominated for Best Graphics at the AVN/IE200 awards show." here's the list of nominees for Best Graphics, can you please tell me which site is his, it's been bugging me trying to figure this one out, I don't know Don, I am sure he's a nice guy trying to make a living in this competitive world of building adult sites, but which one is his???? PAUL, DARREN do you know? Adult Online Network, Angry Clown Comics, Chisel Media, Club Casa Rosso, Erotica, f--- Force 5 (FF5), Gay Wave, Hard Contact, Leather & Lather, Manzone, Private Cinema, Pussy, Sizzle Entertainment, SlutTV, Space Amazones, Strokemag. Well I did win Best Graphics. Yes I was floored about someone wanting me to design something. For a guy who came from the east coast with no money, no job, wouldn't you be excited if you landed a project that someone was going to pay you for building....Common Sense! OH YEAH, the only two people that Jeff or Jason of Society X ever told the Atlas Multimedia story to, could only be DAVE MICHAELS and JOHN DOUGLAS of TALKING BLUE, (Paul and Darren don't even know this, but I guess they know now.) I didn't do everything they said. Being new to the west coast and not having the money to take in any sites in LA, as an act of good faith they fly me out to vegas for the PIMP & HO Ball, not to be a kid in a candy store, but because the three sponsors on the bottom of the poster was Society X, Atlas Multimedia, and IEG. I said wow, that's interesting. Two of my soon to be competitors would all be there. Well I went, it was crowded, and although Society X, co-sponsored the event we still waited in line and had to buy our way in. Didn't even see Atlas or IEG there, too many people all dressed like Pimps & Hos. About "taking my meeting with Paul before the award show", you know what, I saw he was busy telling camera crews what they had to do, I waited till he was finished and Jeff and I merely asked, where do we need to pick up our tickets for the show. He simply said that I can pick it up at a booth later that evening, they'll be in an envelope with my name on it. And that was that. I did not pick up my award from him there. Darren gave it to me at the AVN offices a week after the AVN/IA200 awards show, NOT THE VEGAS SHOW. I met Paul two weeks after that. Why would Paul lug around my trophy at the AVN awards show???? Maybe he needed a door stop?? After I took my meeting with PAUL, well who did we run into, none other than DAVE MICHAELS and JOHN DOUGLAS from TALKING BLUE, my friend Jeff saw them, they were running to take their meeting with PAUL, they couldn't stop to say hello, because they were already late. I did tell them that I would call them when I got back. What surprised me is that, I wasn't expecting them (TALKING BLUE) to be covering the AVN awards show, because they conveyed to me that the show was a joke, it sucked, boring as hell, and the awards were all fixed? Hmmm I got to think about this one. Well for my first time attending, I was like wow, there's a lot of people, all of which I don't know any one, except DAVE MICHAELS, JOHN DOUGLAS, PAUL and DARREN. The show was funny but my satisfaction was just seeing Larry Flynt. Me and Jeff went home happy. Thanks Paul for the invite. (ONLY People who could've ran into me at the awards show or can be linked to this accusation for my attorney to question are: DAVE MICHAELS and JOHN DOUGLAS, you know what guys why would DEEP THROAT say he ran into me after I took my meeting with Paul and then he went to take his meeting soon after? Do you think DEEP THROAT was there and I have no clue who this person is? And DEEP THROAT knowing the Society X / Atlas Multimedia story? This grave is getting deeper and deeper. Good Luck when my attorney questions you two, remember you'll be under oath, Jeff was there he saw you guys as well.) Accusation #4. "Late January: We get a call from Ed to come and see our new offices. We said "our offices?" He said to come down to 6345 Balboa Blvd. Suite 26 in Encino, that we had to talk. Fine, we're curious. We meet at this very nice office building that's still setting up shop. Ed's there with the guys at Society X. "We all introduce ourselves and get down to business.They wanted to let us know that all them have created a company together called "King Tut Productions". It would be a development company of internet ideas. Creating high end websites and making Society X it's major client. They figured since they already make $1.5 million a year from their girls they could get all the business now taking over the advertising on the internet away from all the major players. "The heads of this new company was a guy named Jason who along with his partner Jeff Dettloff started Society X. They hired on Ed and now had this internet/development company called King Tut Productions. Under this company banner, they would create "Pharaoh Media" and get into broadcast advertising. Big ideas for such a new company we thought. They said they could do it cause they were getting all their girls to advertise with them on the new site they created at: www.lavip.net They kept mentioning how big they were getting even without the help from "Vegas people". Something about them trying to take over their LA area. Mob stuff I guess. "Now mind you, Ed is a newbie to the adult work and he was just impressed with these guys with there girls, limos they came in to work all the time and the money. And they had Ed by the balls. When he wanted to move out of his brothers place, they said "no problem Ed" and would pull out a briefcase filled with stacks of $5000 stacks. Give him two and say here's the first and last month rent on an apartment. I don't think he was even getting a salary working for these guys, just cash whenever he needed it. So he was totally into these guys and they kept saying they had some big plans. They wanted to be bigger than IEG with their contract girls bringing attention to their sites, like Chasey Lain, Taylor Hayes, Jenna Jameson and the likes. They were going to do the same thing and needed our help since we knew the girls and could "persuade them". "We said we could only ask and the choice would ultimately be theirs. They said they already had an in with a major girl brought to them by one of their future employees of this new company. We asked who. They said Darren, editor at AVN. We asked if AVN was in this business and they said after their meeting in Vegas, Paul called and introduced them to Darren and to his wife. Paul wanted to work with them so they would make a site for him to help him move all of his videos he gets for his stores, I guess the chain is called Video Xcitement, in the valley and on the westside. He then would have Darren get them girls for their super site they kept talking about. Darren brought in Misty Rain. In exchange, they would have to make a pay website for his wife to hock all her junk to sell. All this weird bartering! In return Darren would get them more girls to represent." ED's truth: Well I do have an office in Encino. The only people that I can think of that I ever invited to see "our offices" was none other than DAVE MICHAELS and JOHN DOUGLAS of TALKING BLUE. Yes Jeff, Jason and I have a company called King Tut Productions, with three separate business. They are their own entity run by one individual. But each sharing one office space. Jeff runs LAVIP, Jason runs PHARAOH MEDIA, and I run AEG. There a law against sharing office space? About creating high end websites, well I do build websites... Not one girl from Society X advertised with LAVIP. There was no need, because Society X had their own advertisements in the paper already. "Vegas People" who's that the "Flying Elvis's"??? Mob Stuff??? Get real... Got any evidence on that one?? Limos all the time? I wish... How about this, their cousin owns a limo company, I need a ride to the airport cause my brother has only one car. I agree to build a limo website for him in exchange for a ride to and from the airport. Could care less if it was a clunker... Money...where's that??? I wanted to move out of my brother's place because, 1) we got on each others nerves, 2) he lives in Orange County, the new office is in Encino, it took me 2 hours with traffic just to get there. Of course for convience I would want to move. A brief case full of stacks of $5000 stacks. Maybe it was their payroll, maybe it was their office rent, maybe they didn't have time to go to the bank to deposit the money. But to give me two and then some for me to get my apartment. Maybe it was my payment for building them their LAVIP site. Well I wasn't getting a salary from these guys, I knew our initial expenses of office rent, equipment, etc. were going to be high, I'm a firm believer in sweat equity, especially when it comes to new ventures. I only asked for money when I needed it, because I really don't need it. I'm not about money....haven't you figured it out yet? I'm totally into these guys???...their plans were my plans. They're not nerdy like me who spends 20 hours a day working in front of his computer and can develop these plans. You guys know my plans, do you think you can do what I do? Or Jeff or Jason? Be bigger than IEG, well maybe some day, but it is challenging, I thrive on competition..."needed our help since we knew the girls and could "persuade them". Well again the only one involved in that one would be DAVE MICHAELS and JOHN DOUGLAS from TALKING BLUE. Darren my new employee? get real...Darren is extremely intelligent and I couldn't pay him anything to work for me, wouldn't be able to match what he's making. Because I don't even make money for myself. Major Girl brought to them by my future employee? If you are making references to Misty Rain. Well my recollection was that Chad and Misty were looking for someone to build their site. Misty hosted the AVN/IA2000 show, I wasn't there, I won best graphics, Chad asks Darren for my number, Chad calls me and we play phone tag forever, because Misty is always on the road. I haven't even met Darren yet when Chad called. All that transpired at an Awards show that I couldn't afford to attend. Especially since if it's alleged that the awards were fixed, what chance would I have in winning? So Darren never sent any one to us. Chad asked Darren for my number. Darren nor Paul didn't even know who I was. Darren introduced me to his wife almost two months after I went to pick up my award. There was never a Vegas meeting. Paul doesn't own Video stores here. His friend owns them in Philly. Allison [Roberts, wife of Darren, AVN VP] had a great idea for a pay site, I wanted to exploit my Flash talents on it. Our schedules were just so eratic that I couldn't even keep up my side of the development for her. But it was between Allison and me, not Darren or Paul. My fault we never finished the site, not hers. It wasn't barting because we came up with it together, we agreed to build it together. There was no money exchanged or the promise of getting more girls for me. Where is DEEP THROAT getting all this bad info??? Me? Next time bring a tape recorder. (the ONLY People from the Adult industry who have EVER visited me in my office are: DAVE MICHAELS, JOHN DOUGLAS, Paul, Darren, Allison, Chad, Misty, Coral Sands, Tanya Alves. Seems like you two are attached to every single paragraph now. Good Luck when my attorney questions you two, remember you'll be under oath, My staff knows you two came here.) Accusation #5. The King Tut guys had everyone convince they would be the hot shit on the block, with help of the main guys at AVN. The two top guys in fact, just weeks after the winning of the IE/2000 awards, and just after flying out for a meeting with Fishbein at the AVN Awards show. "They even were getting some free ads in AVN promoting Misty Rain as this big superstar of the internet, even though we mentioned to them that she was the flavor of the day…4 years ago. How we were involved with all this was that they wanted us to head up their "TV Production" unit, creating commercials and later internet TV shows for their sites. We said sure if it had a check. They then mentioned, could we work under Paul Fishbein. We said we thought he was just getting advertising for them and girls through Darren. They said, "In six weeks, we are going public, under a different heading and as KTUT on the Nasdac, as penny stocks." That was their big idea to get the girls to work for them. They would offer them 1000 shares of stock to sign on them with them and they could retire with all the money in the stock market they were going to make. Well, they didn't tell them they were penny stocks. So if they were lucky to make a whole dollar after awhile they might make $100. Not much huh! "They said they could get the income to create this TV division from all their investors, most in a Canadian firm that wanted to start investing in adult sites but couldn't come out and say adult, since the Nasdac no longer excepts such sites, and also with their new number one investor…Paul Fishbein. We said what? They said, "Fishbein is going to invest $100,000 to get into this venture." They now had all this seed money supposedly coming in, besides what they were making from their Society X girls and from all the girls advertising on their sites. We saw the invoices and they we're starting to bill out $13,000 a month and were to make all these Casino sites for $300,000 each. So they said they were ready. We were to still make the show but they would sell advertising to everyone through it. We said we would give it a try since it looks like they were making money, until I started talking to Ed. "He was working 20 hour days for them, no weekends and totally burned out to keep up with their plans, and he was a 1/3 owner of this venture. Yet, they went home ever night at 7pm and had nice homes and Ed was sleeping on the couch at the office. This started to scare us a little bit. And when he said he wasn't getting a salary yet, cause it was a "company just starting out, and we have to make some sacrifices." We didn't want that. We already have lives and don't need to sacrifice anything. We were just about to back out of everything, when they called us into another meeting. This time to tell us they had Fishbein on the Board of Directors and that he was now going to invest $200,000! We were in awe. Didn't know Fishbein has that much funny money to play around with." ED's truth: We are on the corner of Victory and Balboa, there's a SOD farm behind us they use shit for fertilizer, I think with all the sunlight that it would be the hot shit in town. But then again isn't TALKING BLUE???? Free Ads from AVN... Paul when can I get my free AD??? I'm waiting. Or should I tell Jennifer I put a stop payment on that check I sent her?? Misty Rain the big superstar of the internet?? Who is?? You know what Misty, the only people who I have ever spoken to about you are DAVE MICHAELS and JOHN DOUGLAS from TALKING BLUE other than that PAUL and Darren had nothing but good things to say. Talking Blue, said that you are a B girl, always was and always will be, they then gave me a 8x10 photograph of you and Chad from an awards show they took, remember it's a dark background, you're wearing a blue dress and Chad's wearing a dark suit . They went on to say that you were big 4 years ago, maybe when you were Starlet of the Year, but now you only wreek of booze. I told them about having met you, did our photoshoot for the ad together. They said, "So did she come there Drunk?" Don't even think about contesting this statement guys, "I HAVE A PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY AND YOU ARE ALREADY IN TOO DEEP". Then I asked you about CHAD, their response was, like everyone in this industry, he's your typical "PIMP/BOYFRIEND/MANAGER". My first impression of Misty and Chad were very good, we clicked and we've got nothing but good vibes from each other. Chad is very well organized, and they never came to my office boozed up, especially MISTY. When this story broke, don't you think that when I told Misty what you guys told me about her way back when that she's not going to get upset. Really Stupid.... Now the only people I know that King Tut or Pharaoh Media was ever involved in wanting to get this TV production Unit going was none other than DAVE MICHAELS and JOHN DOUGLAS of TALKING BLUE. Exhibit B and C to my lawyers guys, first rough draft proposal, marble blue folder, second draft with contract grey paper, plastic folder with steel clip on the side. I don't remember having DEEP THROAT in on this production deal, was he part of your crew? possibly an invisible friend that sat in on our meetings that you didn't introduce me to... About going public, I admit the excitment was there but when I was doing all the work in putting the business plan together for these bankers who like my work and think that we could all make money. Putting a team together for an IPO with the right people, the right clients, especially since there was a lot at stake. Yes I did offer Paul a position on the Board of Directors, but only if we got our SEC approval, I have nothing to offer him, If he wanted to invest it was at his own free will. The $13,000 and $300,000 were proforma speadsheets of projected income from existing clients in development, but not actual income. Do you guys know the difference between a Pro Forma and an Invoice? If we stated that Paul was going to invest $100,000 or $200,000 I have no clue maybe it was in a salary spreadsheet for prospective officers compensation. Penny stocks??? Our banker made his fortune in Penny Stocks, but he trades in the millions. Our IPO, our reverse shell merger, what have you. was going to be a straight to Nasdaq, Internet Development Company Project and that we would down play the Adult side until after we were operational. Since I pretty much gave up on the IPO deal, too many greedy players not ADULT, mostly the bankers, I said, I'm not going to build something so that investors can make their quick money and then cash out. Screw That, and this is all dependant on my work?? About owning 1/3 of this venture, yeah I do own other ventures with Jeff and Jason but, AEG is my baby, no one else makes a decision on anything AEG does except for me. About working 20 hours a day, I still do, I still sleep in my office with my dog. If he hogs up the sofa, I'm on the floor or vice versa. I do this by choice, because I'm a workaholic. Not that my partners are slave drivers. No one can do what I do. So why should they be in the office all day long. (the ONLY People Pharaoh Media have ever received or were in negotiations for a Production Unit were: DAVE MICHAELS, JOHN DOUGLAS of TALKING BLUE, Good Luck when my attorney questions you two, remember you'll be under oath, We have your proposals and now my attorney has them.) Accusation #6. "At this point they still didn't have Misty's site up and it had missed it's April deadline, then it's May, and now is June one I bet. Check it out. I don't think it still up yet, and probably never will. We gave a contract we were willing to work with, since theirs said they would basically own us and our children's children forever. Well they didn't like that and totally cut us off and stopped calling us. Even after we did ALOT of legwork on getting them info on how to go about starting a production company. We did keep out some key information though that they will never understand about television production and that will keep them in the dark for quite awhile." ED's truth: Wow I'm glad DEEP THROAT keeps track of Misty's site, maybe you've got a password into it. Hmm. Let's see from the time Misty and Chad gathered all their content, went back to Arizona to get the material organized, come back to Encino to give everything to me. Let's see, we scanned approximately 10,000 chromes, 150 Video slicks front and back, got digital photographs of all her awards, got digital photographs of every dance outfit she performs in, digitized close to 50 of her titles, re-edited her scenes from the videos, and transfered everything to CD. Approximately 300 CD's for her life's content. Oh yeah, we've filmed a whole behind the scenes, the making of her website, everytime she was in town for me to work on her site. I also redid their fan club application, created a whole new database for Chad to keep track of her fans online, organize their bills on their brand new computer I help them set up, created the whole site in Flash and an HTML version as well. The only thing holding us back is establishing the merchant account. But for those who have gotten a glimpse of her site in development, it's well worth the wait. And if your count all the days that they had to commit to me and being at the office working with me on the look and feel for the site. I'd say it only adds up to less than 10 days, now spread that within the past three months when shes out of town. I'm not like other webmasters who just take photos and slap things together and wow I've got a website. I am more one on one with my client. Porner states that Misty got taken for the $$ and that she was foolish to go with me. Ask CHAD and MISTY if they ever gave me a dime for my time and effort. Who pays for their hosting, who paid for their AVN ad, who paid for all their Content digitizing on to CD, not them. So who got taken for the $$$. Ask MISTY and CHAD if they think they were foolish to go with me. See what they tell you. If DEEP THROAT and Porner can build a site like I do than fine, but I'll launch a site when I'm good and ready. And show me some of your sites that you've built. Put your money where your mouth is. Or should I just look at the Talking Blue Site as a reference. You know what, even if you guys did ALOT of legwork, on this failed Pharaoh Media venture. You had your show for how many years, you financed it yourself. You did it as a hobby. And now we want to come in and give it a facelift. Don't you think like any venture, we weren't going to ask you for this information to see if you really did know what you were doing. If it were me, and I wanted to do a show like that. How could you not be making a ton of money if you guys are the hit of the cable market. Especially if you had all this key information about TV production. Your show is what it is. Try convincing money men to pick up or finance your show, what do you think everyones first impression was when I showed it to them. And then I fought for you guys so that Jeff and Jason could at least see the potentials of financing Talking Blue. But how to convince them? (AGAIN the ONLY People Pharaoh Media have ever received or were in negotiations for a Production Unit were: DAVE MICHAELS, JOHN DOUGLAS of TALKING BLUE, Good Luck when my attorney questions you two, remember you'll be under oath, I hope there really is a DEEP THROAT, because this doesn't look good for you guys.) Accusation: "I emailed Fishbein about his involvement about the company and his assistant emailed us back the next day. (Mind you, Fishbein has NEVER returned one of my emails before. I would email a letter every day for weeks till a tech guy asked me to stop). That's was the general policy there, not to talk to us guys, in reference to something Gene Ross did to us a year ago, but that's another story. So when we got a response back, it was a shocker. She told us that all the info was false and he was only asked to be on a board of directors when they went public. But we said who works for free on a board of directors without being an investor. She wouldn't answer any more. Since then, things have really quieted down at the offices of King Tut. Don't know if it was the email I sent to Paul and he got cold feet or what. You can call the guys there and say you are doing a news story and try to get info on your own, should make for a very interesting ending to this whole thing." ED's truth: Gene Ross did to you a year ago, come on now, put two and two together, DEEP THROAT aka. DAVE MICHAELS or JOHN DOUGLAS, but looking at every ounce of information, Definately TALKING BLUE.......Things have quieted down at our office because, duhhh, half of the industry was overseas. Didn't you guys cover that event???? You're Talking Blue, You're the hot shit in town, because you are better than AVN, right? (AGAIN the ONLY ONE I KNOW THAT HAS ACCUSED GENE ROSS OF STEALING IS NONE OTHER THAN: DAVE MICHAELS, JOHN DOUGLAS of TALKING BLUE, Good Luck when my attorney questions you two, remember you'll be under oath, you picked the wrong person to piss off guys.) Well Luke in closing let me say this if you wanted to verify this story all you have to do is ask. As far as a lawsuit is concerned I've spoken to PAUL, it's my call. Well I lost money on the video store account based on this false story being posted so of course I'm going to go through with the Lawsuit. As for DAVE MICHAELS and JOHN DOUGLAS. You will be hearing from my lawyer, if my statements above don't point you guys out as the number one source for this libel suit. Then I apologize if you aren't DEEP THROAT. But if we find you quilty and I request the court for damages, what can I say, your letter was suicide for Talking Blue. Even if I don't win, and I can't receive damages. My life goes on because I know what I'm doing. And I've earned the respect of people at AVN, METRO, CHAD, MISTY. As letters of recomendations and people who can vouch for my character and integretity. It's much more than what I have to say about you two and this whole fiasco. My only thought as to why you may have done this was because Jason and his PINK TV show was starting to take shape. Misty is the Host and that Talking Blue would expose or print something that would deter industry people from working with us. You know what, if this is what you guys have to resort to, so that you can salvage your egos, I feel really sorry for you. If Luke or Gene doesn't post it, I'll take out a page in AVN (besides I guess I'm entitled to free ads). Remember I work all day if you felt you got screwed by Jeff or Jason, pick your fight with them, not me. Now DEEP THROAT is going to Pay. SEE EVERYONE IN COURT. The damage was done I lost money, my reputation has been tarnished, and I've got a lot of people just as angry at you two guys and TALKING BLUE, I don't know how you're going to salvage this one...I'm not going to ask for a retraction, public apology, anything like that. I had a signed contract, I was to pick up a deposit, but because DEEP THROAT exposed what he did, I lost that and the monthly revenue that I would've made. So maybe we will own your children's children. AGAIN WHY????????? And I have so many witnesses that will testify against you guys. You guys are mention in every paragraph of my response to each allegation. Really reflect back about what's been said..... ED REYES, CEO Adult Entertainment Group. 10/13/99 Paul Fishbein Caught In Prague Love Nest? For the second time in five months, Adult Video News (AVN) publisher Paul Fishbein has quashed Gene Ross's reportage on Chuck Zane. And according to European porn shooter Chris English, the reason may well be that Zane's Prague buddy Dick Miller aka Richard Mailor supplied Fishbein with prostitutes. Fishbein denies the charges and promises a full report on Wednesday's . English may shoot for Rob Black. Based in Sweden, he has numerous contacts with the East European porn world. Chris seeks work and can be contacted at: chrisenglish1@yahoo.com. Chris can work in Prague, Hungary, Germany, France, Italy, and Sweden. Porner: "One of the reasons that Paul Fishbein might be covering up for Chuck Zane is that Fishbein has been going over to Prague, staying at Dick Miller's, and Dick Miller (Richard Mailor) has been supplying him with girls. And Chris knows that because when he was in Prague, he saw the pictures." Chris: "Dick Miller brings his friends over there all the time to get laid. He has little honeys in and out of that apartment..." Luke talked to English, who lives in Sweden, by phone Wednesday morning. Chris: "I just want to tell the truth. I want to work. I'm not concerned about politics." Luke: "Who's this Dick Miller?" Chris: "I believe he's known as Richard Mailor. He's been retired from porn for a while and he's the guy who got Chuck fixed up in the business [of East European porn?]. He started his business in Dick's front room. They're very very good friends." Luke: "And Dick brings big shots through and supplies them with hookers?" Chris laughs: "Well, that's what it boils down to, yes. A lot of their business associates are buttered by Chuck in contact with Dick. Whoever could be useful to him, they basically go over there and get as much pussy as they can handle. It's all done very nicely however, it's not brash hookers. They're very sweet girls and they never ask for money. Dick sticks money in their pocket on the way out the door." Luke: "Who are the types who come by? You've mentioned Paul Fishbein. Who else?" Chris: "Honestly I don't know. I wasn't really concerned. Paul Fishbein was definitely one of them. He went with my own footage from the Barcelona shoot which I gave to Chuck in Cannes and he [Paul] took it back to Prague with him. As a favor for Chuck [Zane]." Luke: "And Dick has photos of Paul with some of these honeys?" Chris: "Not in compromising positions as you put on your site. But photos of Paul in Prague with these women. Everybody who goes through Dick's door doesn't come out again unless they've been laid. Even myself. I like Dick." Luke: "So what are the photos of Paul of?" Chris: "Just friendly tourist pictures of Paul hanging out with people I don't know, and by himself in the streets of Prague and in Dick's apartment." 11/99 PAUL S FISHBEIN DOB: MAY 1959 SSN 198-XX-XXXX issued in Pennsylvania between 1973 and 1974 Possible AKAs for Subject
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1928 SSN 170-22-XXXX issued in Pennsylvania between 1936 and 1951 4/00 RAME vs AVN I've been helped immeasurably over the years by the sharp opinions of folks who frequent and moderate the newsgroup rec.arts.movies.erotica. Particularly Jeff, Tim Evanson, Peter Van Aarle, Roger Pipe, Mike South and Pat Riley. Here's a post from Jeff aka FAQ@RAME.net. Kernes writes: >The controversy started (where else?) on r.a.m.e. Jeff: I always thought l-keford.com was the hotbed for controversy... but then again, every other article on Luke's site seems to be cribbed from here, so... I guess the controversy started here, but the flames were really fanned on the Web, methinks... >(rec.arts.movies.erotica, an Internet newsgroup) with Ridley99, and >perhaps others, who aren't even in the porn biz, nonetheless expressing >their opinions on how the industry should be run. Is Kernes actually suggesting that the porn fan is not allowed an opinion since he is not in the porn biz? I don't think he is saying this, but it sure sounds like it. What difference does it make if Ridley, et al are in the porn biz? To say they shouldn't have opinions about "how the industry should be run" is like saying sports fans shouldn't have an opinion as to how their favorite teams should be coached since they're not professional sportsmen... or that people who are not software engineers have no business commented on Microsoft's business practices, isn't it? Am I mischaracterizing? As I recall Ridley's initial post, he railed against the Rough Sex movie. Not so much about the industry as a whole, but about a product he felt strongly about. He made it clear that he felt this movie had no place in the marketplace. Obviously, some people within Anabolic agreed with him because the series was discontinued. So, the question becomes "Why was the series discontinued?" If we're just a bunch of know-nothing fans, how did one thread in a should-be-ignored-since-we're-so-clueless newsgroup kill a video line of a major distributor? Why did Chris Alexander buckle if we're all a bunch of cluelss dim-bulbs as Kernes seems to characterize us? Why did Gene Ross give the topic any ink? Can anyone answer this? The moderators have an obligation to approve articles that fall within the bounds of the charter and posting guidelines -- but news outlets have no such obligation. Why was the choice made to give his topic credibility outside this forum? I mean, its one thing to be "that other gossipmonger" who will print anything and promote this crap, but why did Ross sink to our level? How did this thread become news? Was it because Ford gave it press, and so it had to be countered and neutralized by Ross? >Nothing particularly wrong with that; ignorance is usually bliss, ... always with the backhanded remark. No one knows nothing if they're not on DeSoto Ave in Chatsworth, is that it? ... >and >those reading the posts who are in the industry should have had enough >sense to give said opinions as much weight as if those same persons had >expressed a liking for, say, strawberries. I guess the operative phrase is "*should have* had enough sense..." since apparently, they didn't have enough sense to ignore it... If the thread was discounted as the ramblings of a ignorant consumer, why was the video line dropped? Is it because Khan Tusion was the only person with the vision to produce the line and he got spooked by the bad press? I can't believe there aren't other pornographers out there with the ability to make this genre of porn? (i.e. Jon Dough had his own line for a while, and he *was* in the series in question, perhaps he could have helmed Volume 3? We'll never know.) Why wasn't our thread ignored? Why didn't he turn down Rog's request for an interview and just stand by his work? Why did he legitimize the brouhaha by paying it any sort of mind? (Has RAME become a scapegoat for insiders to use when they disagree with a colleague's product? Were those colleagues secretly relieved to see the line discontinued and RAME allowed them the smokescreen to let out their heavy sighs?) Or was this all a calculated move on Anabolic's part? I have a hard time believing that this line was discontinued because of a thread in our group. It's been long said that we carry no sway with the industry -- I don't expect us to carry any weight, to be honest (why is for another thread) -- so why did we this time? >Now don't get me wrong: I have nothing against sites where the >contributors know what they're talking about - you know, where they >actually investigate and speak to the participants in all sides of controversy? This has always been my criticism of Luke as well -- its just shoddy, lazy work. But RAME has never passed itself off as a "news" site - we're just fans passing notes. But can't geneross.com -- part of the AVN online presence -- be accused of doing the same sloppy thing? Gene initially attributed the Rough Sex posts initally to Rodney Moore... couldn't this be considered sloppy and hardly a benchmark of investigative journalism? Did Gene ever ask Ridley for comments or to try and get his side of the story? It seems that Gene's site, which is such an obvious attempt to counteract Luke's site (which is fine by me) with the "official" word, sometimes falls into the same traps that Luke does and when it does, its air of superiority just makes it seem conceited. The knife cuts both ways. AVN has especially taken great strides in dismissing the online community -- all the way back to 1996 when Kernes and Tony Lovett crucified alt.sex.movies -- and I am not sure to what end. Is it to discredit us so people continue to rely upon AVN for their news? Does AVN consider itself the "official" line because it is produced by people "in the industry?" Personaly, I have always found AVN to be somewhat schizophrenic -- on the one hand it is a magazine for retailers, on the other it is a fan magazine covering the industry... and it increasingly seems like it does not appreciate the competition on the "fanzine" side of things. (It is still unequalled in the retailer niche, IMHO) > -or ones that review tapes, discuss perceived trends in the >industry, or give contributors' preferences for one star's tits over >another's - even some interesting posts detailing which scenes and bits >are being cut out of Vivid movies when they go to catalog or DVD. How did RAME get a rep for being anything other than fans blabbing? When did we become a "news outlet"? When did people start paying attention to us? Its obvious that Joe Pornographer is going to continue churning out his one-day wonders and Mary Slutbunny is going to continue getting her tits inflated despite our protests to the contrary. It has been long held that the on-line community does NOT mirror its real world counterpart. The RAMErs seem to hate Leisure Time. Yet, Leisure Time is one of the most successful companies -- their product always seems to be rented and sold according to sources here who own or work at video stores. If it was up to us, Carriere would be out on the street; yet he is "making a living." Ditto for fake tits. As with any broad base of people, especialy those who congregate on Usenet, you're going to get a broad range of articles, and those articles will cover the gamut of unintelligble drivel (which we try to filter out) to thoughtful to useful. I'm glad that Kernes at least gives passing credit to reviewers and posters like J Smith with his Vivid Cuts list. Its projects like these that give the group its true worth -- in protecting the consumer from an industry that seems to take f---ing to every level of the supply chain :-) I hope Mr. Kernes will delurk, discuss this and clarify some things. I am fairly certain he will not, but a boy can hope :-) Mike South writes: Luke, I'll tell ya why Mark Kernes is always jumping to make RAME a scapegoat. It is because RAME represents everything that the porn industry fears. A cross section of consumers educating each other, very timely reviews, very timely gossip all things that could make print journalism a thing of the past. Add in the fact that industry insiders do NOT like for anyone outside the industry to voice an opinion to the world and viola! you have the reason. An educated consumer is this industries WORST nightmare and like it or not more people read RAME in a day than read AVN in a month....RAME is educating consumers....slowly but surely and Kernes may whine and squeel about it BUT RAME is having an impact...A lot moreso than the non RAMErs realize. MMasw writes on RAME: AVN makes an interesting read for this porn fan....primarily to see what may be upcoming (hmmm) or what I may have missed. And sometimes even the editorials are on target. But that doesn't mitigate the pretentious nature of the rag. I think the porn industry woud be better off if it was "located" a few hundred mile further away from Hollywood. Then the porn fans might not be subjected to so much self-indulgent BS from pornographers who somehow are convinced that they are "filmmakers"....and AVN is a cheerleader for that kind of product. I know some people like the machine-gun, cheesecloth style of Anderw Blake, or the insufferable "sophistication" of Michael Ninn. But there is a reason why Gonzo and Wall-to-Wall (AVN categories) are such major parts of the porn industry...it's what a large segment of the consumers want.....not a lot of storyline, and dialog, or the cheesy special effects that some goofball pornographer confuses for art. And of course the elitists at AVN would much ather be associated with "art" then splooge flying across the living room.....even though splooge is the lifeblood of their industry. and, also of course, RAME...... where there are often.....make that constant frank discussions about splooge and other bodily secretions and the orifices from whence they come....is just to base for the deilcate sensibilities of AVN . Just to [be] crude and ignorant here. Lynne Lopatin writes: My usual psychic connection to Luke F-rd had me wondering this morning, as I stumbled half-awake to the computer, why so few pornographers take part on his site these days... Luke may be the boy they love to hate, but there's been plenty of far worse characters who've been allowed to function unchallenged in the business for years. There's a reason I'm so besotted with Luke. It may have begun over an obsession with his personal beauty but quickly became an unlimited appreciation of what he's done for my beloved porn business -- providing a forum for uncensored discussion about the products and the participants, without concern about tact or who might be offended. I've never participated on r.a.m.e. --- mostly because my opinions about the industry, as a true insider of many years, didn't need to be shared in public. That didn't change until Adult Video News ignored my dying husband's participation in a gay production Mickey Skee called one of the best ever, and went on to ignore our "Indigo Moods" black "couples" video completely. I became angry -- my husband had only a few weeks to live and nothing would have pleased him more than to have his ability at moviemaking recognized by his peers in the short time he had left. At that point I turned to Luke and "went public." I knew it was a step that, once taken, I couldn't undo. That, if AVN chose to ignore my work (which is good, dammit) and I sought another venue for exposure, I could never get back into their good graces. Mostly what I've gotten from having participated on l-keford.com is ridicule about my personal appearance and accusations of grandstanding. I've even been told by Luke's regulars that, because I am taking a break from porn, I should no longer be allowed to participate! When AVN editor Mark Kernes first arrived in Los Angeles, I invited him out to lunch and gave him every encouragement. I was one of the Old Guard, so to speak, having been in the adult industry long before videotape became the primary format for pornography. At the time, he respected that. Ten years later I've been ostracized right out of the business. What happened? What happened to my career? What happened to my career goal of creating good hot porn, hetero and gay, which was not only politically acceptable but did its job of sexually exciting the viewer? It would be easy to blame my relationship with Luke F-rd for it, but I think that's an easy "scapegoating" out. What I think, to use a metaphor appropriate for the Passover holiday, is that AVN has become the "golden calf" of porn. AVN has drifted from its original commitment of providing a forum for insiders to an "old boys' network" promoting a self-defined status quo. Agree with us, or else. Women's voices are acceptable ONLY as long as they support that status quo -- play Aunt Tomasina like the niggers they're expected to be -- or they're out. I've been bitching about the preponderance of anal sex in so-called hetero porn for years: unacceptable to Adult Video News. Bruce Walker and I made a gay movie, but Mickey Skee, the Gay Editor for AVN, was in love with Paul Barresi, so instead of playing fair with our movie, appeased Paul by cutting Bruce out of the reviews. (Tim Evanson should be familiar with this and with our movie, "Handsome Ransom," which should have been the first of some good gay product rather than the only one made. And note that Gabor Szabo was later allowed by Gene Ross to take credit for the movie after Bruce's death.) AVN does not sell tape, people. Reviews appear months after tapes are released and distributors and retailers have made their decisions as to which tapes to purchase. In their continued coverage of the industry, they promote some individuals as being "good pornographers" and ignore others. The tapes continue to sell based on their sales history, regardless of AVN's coverage. This wasn't always true -- The "Buttman" series and the "Dirty Debutante" series received extensive approval from AVN, and were brought to industry awareness in that way. At the time they were unique and different, and reflected a move away from porn movies which aped straight movies, often losing their heat in the process. These two series, along with the advent of home video, opened the floodgate for the "anyone can make porn" school of adult video, even as they returned the state of the product to the amateurish 8mm loops which preceded explicit adult filmmaking of the 1970's and 80's. I liked 'em, because, like Luke, I like "audience participation" and the voyeuristic approach to sex. My husband hated 'em -- said they were clumsy and had no moviemaking art. But then, I've always argued that "porn has its own aesthetics." Let's take Al Borda as an example. Came from nowhere, went nowhere, brought nothing to the genre and yet was lauded as a great new player. And cover boy Matt Zane: a truly vital, charismatic guy who entered porn because it was a family business, combined "rock with porn" to keep himself from getting bored and told anyone who would listen how much he hated making adult videos. I had a lot of fun working with Matt as a production manager a few years back -- he didn't need to get into the business to meet cute young chicks, and is the antithesis of the fat, old slob who does. But it was hard working for someone who didn't like his job, and Matt has yet to make his contribution to the genre. He likes music, he likes clothes, and porn is his "day job." Adult Video News promotes its own agenda, folks. It has its list of approved "players," and allows for no dissent. Never has. Not even in a "devil's advocate" role. When they stick to the facts, such as in their coverage of censorship and legal issues, they provide excellent coverage. But they have room for only one version of pornography -- that which exploits and degrades women. They are not in tune with the changing times, and they turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to the true significance of the product they laud. My favorite high-ranking company owner told me at last January's CES that I should get off my butt and stop whining about AVN, and do something myself about creating a more objective venue for reviewing pornography. I explored doing this at CES, and received plenty of support from directors, distributors and the behind-the-scenes industry executives (who've known me all these years as an opinionated bitch who gets things done right) for such a venture, but no capital and no job offers. I daresay that the "Rough Sex" line was pulled either because it found no support from buyers, or because it received threats of legal prosecution. If I were still working in video distribution, I'd know, but I'm not, so can only speculate. Still, no one pulls a successful commercial product just for the hell of it. Smacking women around during sex is just not acceptable to most communities, making it a blatant violation of the Miller Obscenity Test. Sticking a speculum up an orifice is stupid, but not necessarily obscene. Having sex with a rubber octopus is stupid, but not obscene. Sex in the context of violence is an unacceptable representation of arousal. Maybe there are more potential serial killers out there than we think, but catering to them as an audience does not bode well for pornography and is very hard to justify as media entertainment. RAME got a reputation as being a "news outlet" when the audience realized that Adult Video News was not an accurate reflection of the business, and turned to RAME as the forum for the discussions which AVN will not allow. Leisure Time products are popular on the retail level because they are priced right for the market, both sell-through and rental, not because they have any artistic or erotic merit. They are priced to compete with catalog, yet are packaged as new product. They leave the shelves in droves, but have no passionate fans. One takes one home hoping for a hot scene or two in the absence of available new releases that week. And their mail-order ads were/are brilliant, focusing on individual performers and a huge quantity of material vs. any particular style or substance. Fake tits, on the other hand, have become an acceptable part of mainstream culture. I edited a magazine called "The Catalog of Big Breasts" back in 1978 which sold 400,000 copies in several editions. Large breasts are a favorite personal fetish of mine, and implants make it possible for a woman who meets the current standard of beauty to become artificially buxom. "Slim but stacked" is what we call it in the parlance of the trade. In some countries, such as France, big tit mags NEVER sold well, but America has always been obsessed with outsized mammaries. The natural ones are few and far between, and rarely beautiful once unleashed from clothing. Most women with naturally large breasts also have naturally large hips and butts, which aren't 2considered attractive in these days of lanky supermodels and Kate Moss body types. America being the land of mechanical ingenuity and superficial beauty, we make our own ideal babes. Only after one tires of the artificial, cookie-stamped "Barbie dolls" does one yearn for the real thing, and there aren't enough around for the porn industry. Manufactured women are a natural for manufactured sex, and most fans aren't discerning enough to care. I don't know when Mark Kernes went from being a passionate fan to being a shill for the industry, but I'm sure a regular paycheck had something to do with it. Mike South makes a very valid point when he writes that "RAME represents everything that the porn industry fears. A cross section of consumers educating each other, very timely reviews, very timely gossip; all things that could make print journalism a thing of the past. Add in the fact that industry insiders do NOT like for anyone outside the industry to voice an opinion to the world and viola! you have the reason. An educated consumer is this industry's WORST nightmare." But if industry insiders do not like for anyone outside the industry to voice an opinion to the world, they hate it even more when an industry insider speaks out. Thus my ostracism. Ask Heatwave, VCA, Video Team and Adam & Eve why I'm not making movies. It's not because I'm a "woman," or that my movies are "bad." It's because I've dared to question the quality of the product promoted by a bunch of little boys who dislike women and sex and feel the need to justify their sexual inadequacies by praising the garbage produced by their little group of male whores. 6/27/00 Manager Editor Ken Wood Leaves AVN Bighorn writes: "Luke , just wondering if you've heard about Mike Gogow (aka Ken Wood) getting fired from AVN. Rumor is that he and Gene Ross were getting ready to start a net magazine to compete with AVN, and when Fishbine got word of it, her fired Gogow. I called AVN today, and when I asked for Ken Wood, they transfered me to some woman, so I think he's really gone. If the rumors are true, Ross must be next on the list to get the axe." Luke: I talked to Gene Ross and he is very much ensconced at AVN. He's got a job for life according to publisher Paul Fishbein, a loyal employer. Gene says that Ken Wood resigned from AVN last Tuesday to pursue his mainstream interests. Meantime, Gene and Rebecca Grey will take over his position. Gene: "Ken resigned last Tuesday." Luke: "I heard you were going to start a net magazine to compete with AVN?" Gene laughs. "There have been all kinds of rumors but no rumors [are true]. Nothing to do with me and Ken. From what I gather, he was ready to go back to mainstream. He was just in for a short period of time. His feeling was, I don't have my roots in the industry. Personally I don't think he felt that comfortable." Luke: "I can relate." Gene: "Let's establish a fact - he got along very well with everybody in the industry. He was a valuable asset to AVN. He had an amazing rapport with all the video companies. Everybody liked him and he was very effective in the short time he was there. I just got the impression that at the age of 23 he had his sights set elsewhere..." Luke: "Who will replace him?" Gene: "In the interim, Rebecca Gray and myself... She's handling the internal structure of the whole editing process and I'm dealing with the public relations aspect of dealing with the companies." Luke: "So you're not off to start your own internet magazine?" Gene: "Christ, I don't even know anything about the internet. Everything I know about the internet, Luke, I learned from you." Luke: "I'm off to Israel in a few days." Gene: "That's that singles thing?" Luke: "Yeah. Thirty four women and fourteen guys." Gene: "The odds are definitely in your favor this time. If you carry your gun with you, the odds will be even better in your favor. You will eliminate the other 13." Luke: "I was getting scared last night, so I pulled it out and was fondling it until I went to sleep. I've got it right by my pillow. But I have all my marbles." Lynne writes: Please make sure you do not get your gun confused with your dick and pawn the wrong one, or haul the wrong one out at some scary robber-type guy. That could be extremely dangerous. Especially in West Hollywood. It is your dick you should be fondling at night. Of course, that might be scary, too. For that matter, hauling out your gun on a date with a nice Jewish professional type could be equally dangerous. Have you noticed that they don't think it's "cool" to have guns? Jas: lol luke if mangr. editor ken wood was well liked it wasnt' from his coworkers at avn! not from everything i've herd! Bighorn: Luke, Gene Ross is full of shit. For one thing, a friend of mine at Wicked says that Gogow was down there the day he left AVN looking for a job, and Wicked said no. Also, Gogow has spreading all kinds of shit about what he's doing now. He told one guy he was going to work for VCA, and then told somebody at VCA that he was going to work for Hustler. Supposedly, he also has been spreading the rumor that was spying for the FBI. Also he told somebody else that he has a bunch of shit on Paul Fishbine, and he tried to blackmail him. Doesn't sound like the guy wants to go "back to mainstream" at all. |