Could Shelley Lubben be where The "WRONG" Associated Press Vivid Story came from?
The story that follows has to be considered a rumor. I can’t yet confirm that the e-mails I have received are from the people they SAY they are from.
A former porn starlet, who has now quit the biz (and found God) sends me this e-mail-
just a heads up girls are getting emails from S.L. asking about vivid,i truthfully replied that i was tested and never caught anything from someone on their set and got a reply back if i could type her words saying there were drugs, no tests,and disease. thats bull. vivid is professional and clean and i/m not about someone using my name with their words, come to find out i am not the only one who got this email. If people want to change things they need to do it truthfully and legally and not put words in peoples mouths. thats bull I am out and can still say Vivid is a good ran company when it comes to those issues from my exp.
Here is the e-mail the ex-porn star says she received from Shelley Lubben-
Can you send me a statement so I can put it in the associated press. I can use your work name if you want. Something like this:
"Vivid does not have a safe health record. I was in the ############ movie and I don’t even remember being tested. I was on drugs. I had stds at the time. I wasn’t living a healthy lifestyle".
Something like that. Thanks for all your help. Can I put your myspace address in case press wants to get in touch with you?
Shelley
NL-If this is true, I am saddened to see that Shelly’s agenda to bring down the porn industry includes fabricating information for her side. I’d like to hear Shelley’s side of the story. And I would like to hear from Vivid if they would like more details.
Lying for Jesus is never a good idea. No no. Bad, bad.
(chanelling Dana Carvey imitating George Bush senior on SNL).
Shelly Lubben lying, and then lying that she didn’t lie? It doesn’t surprise me a bit, it’s a simple fucking equation if you ask me, and can be explained quite easily:
1. Whores lie.
2. Shelly Lubben is and always will be a whore, her clients used to be degenerate masturbators, now they’re radical right wingers, religious nut jobs and lunatic white supremacists.
3. Shelly Lubben lies because she’s a whore and like all whores her existence depends on lying.
Elementary, my dear Watson. I’ll have mine with extra bacon.
Colone, would you say the same thing about Sharon Mitchell? After all, doesnt she fit the same category as Shelley? So does that mean everything Sharon says,like “Its safer to have sex with a porn star than a civilian…” “Only 1.8% of porn stars get std’s each month”
Are all of these lies Colonel?
As the founder of the Adult Industry Medical Health Care Foundation, Sharon Mitchell has enough data and study results to support AIM’s reports; and even if she lies to some degrees as all whores consequently do, still her credentials surpass Shelly Lubben’s which in fact consist of nothing but testemonies from desperate whores who come to her after they’re shot out and worn out in the adult industry and can no longer make a living by spreading their legs on and off camera, hence they need new sugar daddies, and who better than Shelly Lubben’s pirate band of radical right wingers, religious nut jobs and lunatic white supremacists?
All these whores are asked to do, is going on the record and talking shit about the industry that kicked them to curb like the bags of rancid trash, because they’ve been too fucked up to fit in a place even as fucked up as the adult industry: Houston, Sierra Sinn, Desi and Eli Foxx, and the list goes on. How come Shelly Lubben can never *convert* successful porn whores like Nina Hartley, Rayveness and Sasha Grey; and how come there’s always some fucked up, drugged up, dropped out whore who ends up to be the poster child of Shelly Lubben’s pathetic found raising events and losing crusade? Because successful porn whores can take care of themselves and don’t need to feed off scum like Shelly Lubben.
Great asnwer colonel…..”Even is she lies to some degrees….” that is priceless.
And now all of the sudden ‘HER CREDENTIALS’ which most on these boards laugh at are impeachable?
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And now Shelley is a white supremicist? You guys must really be getting desperate.
After all, we all know that the porn industry is just chalk full of ethical, law abiding, truthful, and honorable business men and women, who would never try to hide the truth about anything that goes on in their industry. How dare anyone accuse the porn industry of anything unethical, and insinuate that anyone in the industry is anything other than honorable and trustworthy. All those bad things you hear about the industry are from those who hold grudges. Everyone who works in the adult industry knows that there is nothing unethical going on, and there never has been. Shame on lnyone who says otherwise.
Nice span, General, read my response one more time and you’ll see I stated that some of Shelly Lubben’s hardcore supporters are white supremacists, and that’s a well know fact in the adult industry, whether you like it or not. Is she herself a white supremacist? I don’t know and I don’t care to know, but the fact of the matter is that she receives an awful amount of donations from the white supremacists who hate to see *their Aryan sisters* sucking black cocks on camera for a living.
Furthermore and as I told you before, you can go on rants about how corrupt the adult industry is, but since you’re allegedly not in this industry, then it’s none of your business and your rants don’t matter. Good luck to you and your fishing endeavours.
Can you , in any way, back up your above statemnet…. “the facto of the matter is she recieves an awful amount of donations from the white supremicists….”
Nice try colonel. Total bullshit, but nice try. Ive seen alot of what is written about Shelley, and I believe this is the first reference to white supremecy. A new angle of attack, that says more about the desperation of the adult industry, which will ay anything to discredit the messanger when they cant disdredit the actual message. This is a very old, tried and true facist technique. Now you just keep repeating that lie over and over,(like the industry does with the safer to have sex with a pornstar) and people may begin to believe it. Funny how someone with a military name like the colonel would reduce himself to such techniques to discredit his opponents. Is that the best you can do? I expect better, even from you Colonel. We’ve had our differences, but to attempt to discredit somebody as having links to white supremicists groups, thats surprises even me that you would have to resort to such actions to try to defelct attention away from the real issue…that is, thousands of porn performers who get std’s. As little credibility that you give to Shelley, I think your level of credibility just dropped a few notches with the use of this facist technique to defame your opponent.
And your old line…its none of your business…is quite laughable. If I wish to make it my business I will, and there aint a dam thing you can do about it.
The General says:
‘Can you , in any way, back up your above statemnet.’
Rest assured I can back up any statement I make, but those in the adult industry who must know it, already know it, and I don’t have to answer or explain anything to you. It’s been known for a long time that white supremacists are among Shelly Lubben’s supporters, it’s been discussed on this board as well as well other boards several times; and I don’t know how come someone like you who’s so obsessed with all things porn hasn’t heard it before. But then again, you’re a resourceful person, you’re *in the know*, aren’t you? So why don’t you do some digging on your own and find out instead of asking me to explain it to you?
Again, my business is none of your business. If you wish to make it your business, by all means be my guest and take your best shot. See you in the trenches.
Why wouldnt you want to put your proof of that statement up here for all to see? Proving the above statemtnt you made could virtually put her out of business and literally kill her credibility, even with me.
And I have done alot of research, and I can find nothing that backs up this statement, other than people like you just spouting it off.
We’ve all made statements here that others would like to see proof of, but to accuse somebody of being associated with white supremicists, and then say …”I dont have to answer or explain anything to you..” is pretty much the definition of chickenshit.
Colonel says, “Ican back up any statement I make.”
I call bullshit. How many others here think the colonel can back up that statement…CINDI.
CINDI, are you going to continue to let the Colonel(a regular contributor to LIB) make accusations of White Supremisist affiliations without providing any proof. Are you going to continue to let him use YOUR site to make these allegations.
I read that white supremacist forum before and they support Shelley because the industry she wants stopped is mostly run by Jewish men. The supremacists are mostly supporting Shelley because of their hatred towards Jews. They don’t truly support Shelley or any of the performers. They only support her because the industry she wants shut down is run by Jewish men.
That forum will never fully accept Shelley or any of the women she helps leave the industry. Even though they watch porn, they wouldn’t help any porn star out of the goodness of their heart.
And you asked why hasn’t Shelley got out the more successful porn stars. Because they make too much money to leave. But look at any of Shelley’s AEE convention pictures and the biggest names in porn were going up and hugging her.
Charities set up to help porn stars don’t make that much money. The only one that does make millions in donations for sex workers is Children Of The Night because they deal with child prostitutes under the age of 19.
Speaking of White Supremacist, isn’t there a long standing taboo in the industry regarding girls who do inter-racial porn?
I recall many performers over the years have hemmed and hawed and alluded in interviews about this unspoken rule when asked why they haven’t worked with black performers (and I’m not talking about the knuckle-heads in a Brandon Iron/Mike John blowbang scene…but top talent like Sean Michaels, Lex Steele, and Mr. Marcus).
Likewise, wasn’t it shown a while ago (I think a post here in fact) about how the majority of inter-racial porn sells in the American South? Which I have to admit, conjures up odd visions of wannabe KKK guys doing a hand cramping circle-jerk to Silvera’s newest installment of ‘Black Power’ and ‘Blackzilla’.
Yet I have to take issue to Ms. Darrah’s notion that just because one watches porn, they’re supposed to de-facto ‘care’ about the performers well-being. As that would be like listening to pop music and caring what kind of chemically induced nonsense Britney is getting into today, or watching a Lindsey Lohan flick and being moved to donate money to a drug rehab clinic. One doesn’t necessitate the other — and it shouldn’t in an democracy where we all have the freedom to pursuit ‘happiness’ any which way we can get it.
Now if there were outrageous abuses in Porn Valley that lead to routine deaths, wasted lives, and constant injury…then by all means, the government should clean up the mess. Yet clearly there isn’t anything going on that reaches the level of say the meatpacking, garment or other industries at the dawn of the Industrial Age in America.
Granted, there’s a story behind every face in Porn — and we can quibble all day over if and handful of chick’s fucked-up adventures in this industry should represent the majority of girls in porn. But at the end of the day, the handful of fuck-ups shouldn’t (and from my limited vantage point, don’t) represent the industry as a whole.
If anything, that’s why Ms. Lubben’s crusade will never be fully accepted. As it’s a strawman built from misguided emotion. If she had any sense, she would tackle this nation’s ongoing problems of poverty, education and financial stability.
colonel, did you get my e-mail? also i heard some thing a long time ago that interracial(maybe then)did’nt pay that well. and once a bitch crossed that barrier, her pay would go down just not for inter but other shit as well.
Darrah says:
‘I read that white supremacist forum before, and they support Shelley Lubben.’
See General, this is old news, even bloggers like Darrah who don’t live in California and have no direct connections in the adult industry know about this. Either you’re trying to deny this fact or you’re not as much *in the know* as you imagine yourself to be. And don’t get dumb smart ass with me, when I say I don’t have to answer or explain anything to you, that means I don’t have to fucking answer or explain anything to you.
In any event, I’ll be waiting for you to put on your Napoleon hat and take your best shot to destroy the evil that is the adult industry. You can get help from your shrink, as well as Shelly Lubben and her white supremacist friends to achieve this tremendous goal.
And Sammy, there is no taboo against girls who do inter-racial in the adult industry, never was and never will be. Some trailer trash whores might not want to do that, but that’s their personal decision, nothing less, nothing more.
And Jerry, I got your email and responded to you last night. As for how the inter-racial scenes pay, in most cases the same as any regular boy/girl scene, unless the guy is huge like Jack Napier, Mandingo or Shane Diesel AKA Blackzilla. In that case, girls get a few extra hundreds.
What I wrote 😀
The colonels source is something that Darrah read on another chat board. So where is your proof of their donations Colonel.
Darrah, could you link to that board, I want to see how much they are donating to Shelley, as the colonel claims this is a fact…”The fact of the matter is she recieves an awful amount of DONATIONS.’
Verbal support is a hell of alot different from financial support, dont ya think? Please again colonel, back up your statemnet that you claim is a fact. This last response was a “FAIL” I also like the way you edited the statement Colonel, very FACIST of you.
Darrah is the colonels source. Beuatiful.
And NAMBLA publicly supported O’bama for president. I guess that makes our president a …..(i wont even use the word)
You are now a complete and utter tool, Colonel. You back up your statement by editing something you read on Darrahs site. This is classic.
It was so long ago. I don’t have the link anymore.
I don’t he claimed that I was his source. I think Colonel rather rip out his eyes before ever laying claim that I was his source in anything. lol
Darrah, was there any mention of financial support being given to shellye by thisgroup?
And when you say you dont have to explain colonel, of course you dont, especially when you dont have the fact to back up what you specifically say if a FACT.
Kind of like when you tell me to mind my own business. If I want to make it my business I will, and I have, and I will continue to do so.
P.S. You failed miserably in your attempt to paint shelley as a white supremicists, and by providing NOTHING to back it up, except a quote from Darrah, you not only fail miserably, but make yourself look like an even bigger fool, if thats even possible.
colonel, thanks i got your e-mail on the the 24th at 10 pacific time but none since then. thanks
Colonel, I dont know if you ever noticed, but when I quote someobdy I always use “….” at the beginig and end if that is a partial quote.
You then claim that their support comes from their dislike of interracial sex, but when you read the unedited quote you see that was NOT what was said. It was their hatred of Jews(like you perhaps, I dont know)(like me maybe,who knows)
Since you did make one attmept to back up your statement and failed, perhaps you’d like to try again, and this time lets see where that FINANCIAL suport you claim is a FACT comes from. Or will you just tell me to mind by own businnes. Well, my business is to make you look like a fool, and business is good right now, very good.
Darrah says:
‘I think The Colonel rather rip out his eyes before ever laying claim that I was his source in anything.’
You’re right, Darrah, you were never my source on this or anything else and most likely never will be. Nothing personal though, I love you anyway, you crazy little girl.
And General, I don’t have to answer or explain anything to you not because I can’t, because I don’t want to, because I don’t have to, because you don’t matter and niether do your rants. I hope your Napoleon hat fits you and gives you enough power to *make my business your business*. Little fellows and their ambitious plans always crack me up.
Nice backpeddle Colonel. I expected nothing less. Of course you wont back up your absurd allegations, because you cant. If there were anyway you could prove what you said you would do it in an instant. A chance to “out” Shelley with something like this would be too good to be true, you know it and I know it. Just think how much credibility Shelley would loose if you could prove what you say, but you cant, so you wont. Everybody here knows that YOU would jump on the chance to be the one to discredit Shelley with this, but you cant, not because you dont want to, but becasue you simply dont have the goods to do it.
You talk a tough game Colonel, but when push comes to shove you back down faster than an entire French Brigade. Pathetic is to good a word to describe you. Accusing someone of accepting money from white supremisists and then telling everyone you dont need to defend your own statements.
CINDI, I implore you, make him back up these vile accusations, or get rid of him. He is using YOUR site to make these vile allegations. I know you are a person of integrity Cindi, and you are not responsible for what others write, but it is YOUR site and the colonel is using it to make vile accusations without one shred of evidence.(I’m anoteven alking for ‘proof’ but just a shred of evidence) Colonelclaims the donations are a FACT.
And why did you edit the quote from Darrah?
I don’t remember. I first thought people were saying Shelley was a member of the forum and on the post. So I went to see if Shelley was on the forum and she was no where in sight.
Lubben does get a number of donations from white supremacists. Porn history is full of white supremacist opposition, this goes back to Larry Flynt getting shot. Hell, even further than that. You have plenty of free time general, yet you still don’t have a clue.
President, since the Colonel does not have the balls(or eviedence) to back up the statement that Shelley gets money from white supremicist groups, maybe you can tell us where this information comes from?(other than your imagination of course).
Porn history is full of alot of things, just like you and the Colonel, and the main thing it is full of, like you two, is bullshit.
Back up your vile accusations or give it up.
CINDI, how long are you going to allow people to use YOUR forum to make these accusations. These issues can be debated without this type of blatant smear tactic.
Um, golly gee whiz. Wasn’t this post about Shelley’s possible “blatant smear tactic” against Vivid? Seems there’s plenty of smear to go around for everybody.
Little g, you’re starting to get annoyingly whiney, like a little girl. C-i-i-i-n-d-y!
I think the rumour comes from XPT when somebody posted a link to the Stormfront forum were one of the fundamentalists that post there was enthusiastic about Shelley’s antiporn crusade because porn was a “jewish plot” to corrupt the morals of America and control the white people.
Thats it.
The odd think is that the fundie forgot to mention to his fellow Stormfront KKK members that Shelley is also a Christian sionist! And one of her main sidekicks, Jan, is black!
So what, some fundie racist likes Shelleys antiporn cruzade, that it, no more than that.
Porners have made a huge storm (no put intended) out of it.
… a “y” for an “i” there, kiddo.
Also Jan is married to a white man! More reasons for Stormfront members not to support Shelleys!
Shite, it must say “no pun intended”.
I found this site which is a Aryan blog praising Shelley Lubben but no evidence that they make donations. If they do im sure Shelley would not publicize it.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=557442
The thing that saddens me the most is there are some girls if not most within the industry that truly need help in life. I myself made it through being a performer but it was a struggle and I had to learn how to live on limited budgets, get up and show up for a real job and pay bills like a normal person. It s not easy but I have not performed since 2002. However to mask help with religion is not the way in my opinion. A true Christian helps without asking for something in return. These girls, women even some men in need are better off learning basic life skills. How to get and keep a job, re-education etc. Attacking an industry for the state of the performers is not fair to the industry either. This industry employs people with families etc. It has a place within the world and it is what it is. What is needed here is intervention on the performers that need it not reform the adult industry and try to wipe it out.
Shouldn’t The General have to back up his specious facts???
It only seems fair, since he seems to be one who started it all in the first place, repeatedly tries to pull rank when questioned, tries to shut down debate and generally throw stones in glass houses.
I am disappointed with Shelley…the first time I knew for her project I thought it was a good thing but after reading the last news I can see that something is not clear with it, I don’t see very clear the financiering of her project, In fact I am agree with the Colonel probably some radical group our ultra catholic foundation could be behind this.
The idea of Pink Cross Foundation is good, some girls are really lost in the porn business and need some help but knowing more of Shelley I have tons of doubts of her and her project. I still have to know more of this matter. I hope she can be a good girl and not a fake if not I will be really disillusioned.
Things like being supported for white supremacy groups sounds really dangerous
Desi, you truely are a disgrace to every woman, every mother and every human being that ever lived. You did the unthinkable, unimaginable and unspeakable act of pimping your own daughter and living off her body; and after you failed miserably you teamed up with Shelly Lubben to feed off her and in return help her in her pathetic crusade against the industry that threw you out like the piece of trash that you are.
You live off donations paid by radical right wingers, religious nut jobs and lunatic white supremacists; and yet you have the audacity to run your cock sucking mouth and talk shit on public forums as if nobody knows who you are and what you’ve done to your own daughter, your own fucking flesh and blood. You’re the scum of the earth, and now that you came to Shelly Lubben’s aid to justify her hypocritical acts, that speaks in volumes about her.
If there’s a hell, I’ll see you and Shelly Lubben and her white supremacist friends there. You all have a place reserved in it’s lowest floor, bet on it.
Desi is not a disgrace to all humans. Or anyone for that matter. Actually, she’s a living example of the beauty and power of Jesus Christ. Yes, I’m a religious nut job. Although, you know, what’s with all the labels? Religion is the last thing on my mind. Jesus is the first.
Desi’s not perfect. None of us are. But our weaknesses, when acknowledged instead of hidden, can reveal the glory of Jesus. He has done amazing things not only for Desi and other girls who have left porn, but for all of us. Every single one of us. We all (even the religious nut jobs like myself) spit on Him every day. We mess up. We lie. We steal. We covet. We hate. We spit. Spit. Spit. And guess what?
He died for us anyway.
So, you know… Desi is not a disgrace. She is another beautiful example of Jesus’ love for us.
And Shelley… well, she will have people who hate her… but it doesn’t matter. She has a God who loves her. And she loves Him. She doesn’t answer to the porn industry or anyone else. Just God.
And since some of us don’t believe in God, and ALL of us are incapable of BEING God… we can’t possibly know Shelley’s heart, or Desi’s, or ANYONE’s.
Shelley steps in the fire to pull people out. I don’t care if she uses funds for lipstick or whatever. I trust her. Because I see beyond the surface and I see her heart. Do you? There aren’t many people in this world willing to step in a fire and get burned, for the sake of others. Are you? Would you lose your vision so that someone else would finally be able to see?
Shelley is that person. Regardless of what you think. And one day, when we all stand before Jesus, we’ll know.
You are loved. I am loved. Desi is loved. Shelley is loved. We’re all loved by a God we don’t love enough.
Girlygirl23 says:
‘Desi is a living example of the beauty and power of Jesus Christ.’
I didn’t bother to read the rest of your bullshit after I read this line. But seriously, are you fucking kidding me or do you actually believe that your god is so small, so miserable and so pathetic that his living example of beauty and power happens to be a lazy, uneducated, irresponsible trailer trash whore who failed at pimping her own daughter?
You religious nut job buffoons are your own worst enemy. There’s no need to make any attempt to discredit and expose you, the minute you open your mouth, you do that to yourself. Please continue.
“In fact I am agree with the Colonel probably some radical group our ultra catholic foundation could be behind this.”
Nah, is mostly Evangelical Prostestants, who are loosely organized anyways, Shelley is not catholic and Catholics in the US are mostly center left democrats.
The most right wing contacts Shelley have been seen spoking to are James Dobson of Focus on the Family and the late reverend Jerry Farwell of the Southern Baptist Convention.
But I agree that Shelley antiporn activism does hurt the efforts she does to help performers quit.
Antiporn activism shall be left to other people.
Not every Christian sex worker advocasy ministry shares Shelley enthusiasm for polemics.
And Esmerald City is right, some help is needed, but without the polemics. I have a active female performer who email in a anon way, that while she does agree with Shelley on that performers often feel trapped into the industry and sometimes do need help in quitting and she feels Shelley does has helped some girls, Shelley taste for polemics smell too much about self promotion, and that many girls are to scared to reach her for those reasons.
I remember how a girl was almost linched in porn boards when some people thought wrongly she was talking to Shelley.
But I also has seen Shelley in her old forum, give confort to some girls that has got to regret getting into porn and not making a big noise about it. So Shelley is a mixed bag.
In many cases girls just want to talk and vent. Thats it.
I have a question. How could Shelley be successful and well-known enough to make a difference, if she didn’t market Pink Cross and herself?
What’s she gonna do? She needs to be well-known to make a difference.
And yes, Kernel, Desi is an example of Jesus beauty. Why? Because Jesus died for those of us who make mistakes. He died for those of us who are FAILURES. Otherwise, He wouldn’t have had a reason to die.
Desi is another example of how strong and selfless Jesus’ love is. BUT, she’s also an example His power. Our weaknesses show His power. When we are weak, He is strong.
By coming out of this industry, she is exposing her weaknesses and asking for another road. Something better. She is showing God’s strength in her weakness.
You’re wrong about me being my own worst enemy, though. I only have one enemy. His name was Lucifer. He wants me on his side. He wants Shelley on his side. He wants us all on his side.
And if you ask me, he’s doing a pretty good job at making sin seem beautiful and appealing and good.
We can’t take everything for face value. Not Shelley, not porn, not ourselves. It’s what underneath of our actions that matters. And we have only one master… we can choose… satan or God.
Love. The devil hates true love. He can’t stand it. He hates when girls leave this industry. He loves porn. He loves rape. He loves when men molest children.
And by making fun of people like Desi who leave this industry… we are making satan smile.
Whether you agree with the porn industry or not… whether you agree with what Desi did or not… you should still show her enough love to keep your opinions to yourself. Her past is her past now. It’s done. Those chains no longer hold her down. It’s people that try to hold her down and keep her from changing and truly moving on.
Let her be. She’s beautiful. Her heart is beautiful. It’s satan who is ugly. And it’s satan who makes people ugly.
Desi is beautiful and loved. So are you.
Girlygirl23 Says:
‘I have a question: How could Shelley be successful and well-known enough to make a difference, if she didn’t market Pink Cross and herself?’
I have a question, too: if Shelly Lubben’s intentions are good and decent and selfless, how come she can never find any audience and/or contributor outside the circle jerk of radical right wingers, religious nut jobs and lunatic white supremacists?
Furthermore, how come she can never convert any successful porn whores to Jesus AKA Egyptian Horus? How come those whores who have enough self confidence, social acceptance and financial stability don’t need to involve themselves in Lubben’s despicable games of begging, lying and soliciting? How come there are always druuged up, dropped out, washed up loser whores who end up to be the parasites of Lubben’s shameless charade and the poster children of her circus show?
You have no answer for these question, because there are none. So instead, you cling to usual mumbo jumbo christian bullshit: you are loved. You know what I say to that? I say fuck you and fuck your love. The day I need to be loved by nut jobs like you or your clown god will be a clod day in hell. I’ll take satan and his demonic hordes over your fable god and his blind, brain dead, idiotic, weak followers any fucking given day.
I’ll give you those answers. Because of perverts like you that talk shit about any porn girl you can’t break down and own. The pornstars that made it porn are only there because they were broken down, they conformed to survive and they are owned by the men of Porn Valley. They have no life outside of porn because they are not allowed to have one. Nina Hartley is a perfect example. Her lover is Sharon Mitchell who is also owned by Porn Valley.
I’m quite successful in my life with or without money. Money and abusing girls doesn’t make anyone successful in Porn Valley. It only makes them pathetic LOSERS. After all, this has been their lives for 20 years or more. And you want to call young women of ages 18-22 losers?? Anyone who spends their entire lives in such a pathetic industry that feeds on the youth of American shows who’s the real LOSERS IN THE SYSTEM!!
Desi Foxx
And the fact that Darrah is the source for this claim of white supremcy when she states at the beginning of this whole thread that she’s posting a bullshit rumor from sources she CANNOT CONFIRM shows how valid she is to use as a source!!
Being that http://www.ThePinkCross.org just got approved by the IRS to accept donations a few months ago and the supposed link that you conveniently can’t locate would have to be more current than that to support the claim of many donations.
WELCOME TO PORN VALLEY AND THE NEWS SYSTEM. THIS IS HOW THE NEWS IS REPORTED HERE. Big, wild shit talk with nothing to back it up.
Desi Foxx
and now you’re moderating me Darrah??
If people wouldn’t allow themselves to be used, then porn and dirty sweaty perv photographers/directors would lose their jobs. It’s every body’s FAULT, everyone envolved. As ADULTS we can’t go around saying these PEOPLE are LOSSER’S because they have been making a great living for the longest off the backs of teenagers/young adults whom allow themself’s to be taken advantage of, and then becoming traped in an industry that chew’s up and spit’s out people/performer’s at an alarming rate. The saying: “it’s nobody’s fault but your own” really cover’s the whole I made porn, now I’m damaged and broken, help me.
The real world, is a hard cruel place, that doesn’t care about the “GOOD” people, so why would society care about what “men and women” whom have decided to go and take the ultimate risk, by making a quick buck by performing in porn, only to eventually realize that most become burn-outs, hooked on drugs or booze or both going down a dark road to become prostitutes/suicide victim’s. Not realizing that most have given up the best year’s of their life’s on a pipe dream, that eventually distroy’s their lifes. A slave, is a slave, is a slave, is a slave, and for penny’s on the dollar, porn really isen’t worth the 5 minutes of fame, is it? I had a friend once, who was or maybe still is a male performer, whom said to me: “I’m a supper sexy porn star!” The honest truth was, he wasn’t that hot or nice and acted like a dick, and porn was the only way that, that asshole could get laid. But to each their own.
Allright Desi you broke, old, shameless hag, let’s see what you got to say:
Desi Foxx: Because of perverts like you that talk shit about any porn girl you can’t break down and own.
The Colonel: Perverts like me? The last time I checked it was you who was pimping her daughter all around the porn valley and Bunny Ranch to make a pathetic dime.
Desi Foxx: The pornstars that made it porn are only there because they were broken down, they conformed to survive and they are owned by the men of Porn Valley.
The Colonel: You wish you were like them, you ignorant, lazy piece of trailer trash shit. That’s why you got into porn and dragged your daughter with you. I’ve been in this business too long, I’ve seen all kinds of scumbags came and gone. But I gotta hand it to you, I’ve never seen a scumbag bag as despicable as you. Now that’s somewhat of an achievement for you, if you catch my drift.
Desi Foxx: They have no life outside of porn because they are not allowed to have one. Nina Hartley is a perfect example. Her lover is Sharon Mitchell who is also owned by Porn Valley.
The Colonel: Nobody is owned by anybody in the porn valley, you hypocrite buffoon. Women like Nina Hartley are independent, successful whores who take pleasure as well as pride in displaying and sharing their sexual desires, and they’re not mental prisoners of an unseen, none existing pathetic god who loves you but might as well send you to hell if you don’t stick your tongue in his ass deep enough. In any event, you wish you were like Nina Hartley, that’s why you tried to get into porn and failed in the first place. You’re too fucked up to be even a whore.
Desi Foxx: I’m quite successful in my life with or without money.
The Colonel: If you say so, wanna be whore. You’re quite successful with or without money, that’s why you involved your daughter in prostitution, the business of human flesh to pay your fucking bills and feed off her like the disgusting parasite you are.
Now shut your ugly face and go get me another beer. Fucking sack of shit.
“But I also has seen Shelley in her old forum, give comfort to some girls that has got to regret getting into porn and not making a big noise about it. So Shelley is a mixed bag.
In many cases girls just want to talk and vent. Thats it.”
Shelley is a big mixed of situations, she is a doing a great labour but the forms and the way for doing her project in my opinion is not the best and there are big shadows of doubtful origin in her financing.
Probably successful porn stars don’t need Shelley because they have all they need now, fame, money and status in the business but there are a great part of loosers that need somebody for helping her for getting off her own shit. Is this person Shelley Lubben? No idea but I can see clearly that in L.A. those poor loosing girls need somebody for loving her. Now she is the only one that is doing something for them anyway Is she doing it her mission correctly? I have thousands of doubts about it probably all that halo of ultra religion is fucking all her job.
go away desi, your illogical ramblings and conspiracy theories aren’t wanted here.
you failed because you’re a busted out, weather beaten, dried up old boiler. you have no common sense – the only spark between your ears is the most demented form of rat cunning. proof being your cashing in on your daughter’s pussy. you never counter that horrible truth. in your twisted, illogical mind there’s probably justification – because the man’s been keeping you down and you were pushed to such extremes.
when you reach a moment of clarity. when you allow the awful truth to wash over you. you’ll reach for one final big black cock, slide it into your mouth and pull the trigger.
one question i have is, what does a “god fearing christian girl”(girly/girl) doing on a porn board any way. and the kkk and aryian nation or who ever won’t be to pleased to see a white woman like desi took black cock alot on many shoot. blacks on cougars and “i fucked you and yo moma”.
oh c’mon. my post was fine.
God fearing doesn’t mean that you fear the world. It means you step into the world. You just don’t become like it. And Colonel, I never said you NEED to be loved. I just said you are. You don’t need to accept it, but you are anyway.
And to answer part of your question. The girls that Shelley helps are the girls who have reached a breaking point. Some people in porn don’t want to leave. Shelley’s not forcing them out. But if someone (drugged out, yadda yadda) wants to leave, she’s there.
I don’t question how Shelley spends her money AT ALL. Because fact is, if I had the money, I’d pay for her to never have to pay a dime for ANYTHING, EVER. I’d support her 100% in paying her mortgage, her bills, her food bills. Why? Because I love her.
And I’d do the same for any person on this board if I had the money. Same thing with a homeless person. Some people choose not to give them money because they might (most likely) will go spend it on a beer. If they ask, I give. It’s not my job to judge what they do with the money. But that won’t stop me from giving.
What Shelley does with her money is between her and God. And you know… she loves God. And He is a lot BIGGER and more important to answer to than anyone on this earth. He knows what she is doing. She knows what she is doing. And it doesn’t really matter what anyone else thinks. People can support her or not support her. All of our choices show the nature of our hearts.
Supporting or hating Shelley…shows what’s in our hearts. Supporting or hating ANYONE… shows what’s in our hearts.
Let’s have some fun:
Girly Girl: Colonel, I never said you NEED to be loved. I just said you are.
The Colonel: And I said fuck you and fuck your love.
Girly Girl: If someone (drugged out, yadda yadda) wants to leave, shelly is there.
The Colonel: Shelly is there to twist her arm, put false testemonies in her mouth and turn her to a tool to milk her sugar daddies who are radical right wingers, religious nut jobs and lunatic white supremacists.
Girly Girl: I don’t question how Shelley spends her money AT ALL.
The Colonel: But I do question that, so does the entire adult industry and soon the IRS.
Girly Girl: I’d do the same for any person on this board if I had the money.
The Colonel: That’s quite easy: come over and shoot some hardcore scenes for me, then go spend your paycheck for the Jesus, then come back again.
Girly Girl: What Shelley does with her money is between her and God.
The Colonel: In fact, no. That’s between Shelly and the IRS. God has got nothing to do with this.
Girly Girl: Supporting or hating Shelley shows what’s in our hearts.
The Colonel: Therefore it shows that I’m a highly intelligent, well educated smart person while you’re an ignorant religious nut job buffoon.
Please continue.
An interesting note regarding the Pink Cross Foundation, is that Section 501(c)(3) organizations are subject to limits or absolute prohibitions on engaging in political activities. Seems their recent activities would be considered quite “political,” don’t you think?
What say you, Shelley?
My apologies for posting this comment in separate threads, but it seems like a potential land mine for the flat feet of PCF. Shelley has made this into a holy war? Then let the troops line up.
radical right wingers and lunatic white supremacists, it can’t get any more political than that. The government is going to get a kick out of this.
Great observation, Third Axis. Vigilante and spot on as usual.
I do not think so, there is no link to radical righwingers or white supremacists other that they seen to like Shelley’s little crusade.
And Shelleys lattest allies, AIDS activist come from the left.
Third,
Same as on the other thread. AIM is a 501c3 non profit also. Would you agree that the same rules apply to Mr. greene and sharon mitchell?
And for the record. It is Aids Healthcare Foundation that filed the complaints. On the complaint forms(all of them) in the box labeled
‘Complaintant’ it saye “Aids healthcare Foundation”
and they are all signed by Micheal Weinstein(i believe he is the president of AHF.
The Pink cross is only voicing suppoort for AHF.
And the last time I looked AHF is as far to the LEFT end of the political spectrum as one could possibly get.
You guys are making this debate too easy. White supremicists, radical religous nuts assisting the AHF and their left wing Jewish president.
I guess those radical right winger, white supremicists are just lining up to help the left wing AHF and their Jewish president Mr. Weinstein.(lol)
Has anybody here actually seen the compliants that have been filed? I have.
If anyone would like to post a fax number here I will be glad to fax you copies of all the complaint forms filed by AHF.
desifoxx Says:
And the fact that Darrah is the source for this claim of white supremcy when she states at the beginning of this whole thread that she’s posting a bullshit rumor from sources she CANNOT CONFIRM shows how valid she is to use as a source!!
Being that http://www.ThePinkCross.org just got approved by the IRS to accept donations a few months ago and the supposed link that you conveniently can’t locate would have to be more current than that to support the claim of many donations.
WELCOME TO PORN VALLEY AND THE NEWS SYSTEM. THIS IS HOW THE NEWS IS REPORTED HERE. Big, wild shit talk with nothing to back it up.
Desi Foxx
I don’t know why I’m now being attacked by you Desi on this post and another post here at LIB. The link to that racist forum was posted here on LIB about a year ago. Others were saying Shelley supports them and I didn’t believe it. I also thought they were saying Shelley was a member of that racist forum too. So I went to that forum and Shelley wasn’t on there at all.
White supremicist groups will never accept porn or porn stars. But porn is mostly run by Jewish men. So if Shelley wants to stop the porn industry or regulate it better, those groups will support Shelley not because they care about porn stars, because they don’t. But because porn is mostly run by Jewish men
Those groups do not support anyone that isn’t white and of the same religion. They also don’t really support anyone in porn.
I’ve been one of Shelley’s biggest defenders and get shit thrown at me for it. Shelley does what Bill Margold and PAW should be doing. But Margold and PAW don’t.
LIB isn’t my site. So how can I moderate anyone’s comments? My comments sometimes get moderated too when they shouldn’t. It’s called technology and the many problems that come along with it.
Can you delete comment 59 Cindi that’s being held in moderation? I screwed up the blockquote. Thanks!
I don’t know why I’m now being attacked by you Desi on this post and another post here at LIB. The link to that racist forum was posted here on LIB about a year ago. Others were saying Shelley supports them and I didn’t believe it. I also thought they were saying Shelley was a member of that racist forum too. So I went to that forum and Shelley wasn’t on there at all.
White supremicist groups will never accept porn or porn stars. But porn is mostly run by Jewish men. So if Shelley wants to stop the porn industry or regulate it better, those groups will support Shelley not because they care about porn stars, because they don’t. But because porn is mostly run by Jewish men
Those groups do not support anyone that isn’t white and of the same religion. They also don’t really support anyone in porn.
I’ve been one of Shelley’s biggest defenders and get shit thrown at me for it. Shelley does what Bill Margold and PAW should be doing. But Margold and PAW don’t.
LIB isn’t my site. So how can I moderate anyone’s comments? My comments sometimes get moderated too when they shouldn’t. It’s called technology and the many problems that come along with it.
I got emails from peple saying Desi is going against me here at LIB. This post and another LIB post. Is anyone else sees her attacking me here in other posts or elsewhere on the internet, please email me at:
ps_babylon (at) yahoo (dot) com
I’m one of the people that have tried to help you and your daughter to leave porn. My contribution was small but I am the one that contacted Shelley to help you and your daughter when you were asking for help. Now you’re against me and I have no idea why.
If you have a problem with me Desi, them email me and tell me what the problem is instead of posting comments here at LIB that I may never see.
The General says:
‘If anyone would like to post a fax number here I will be glad to fax you copies of all the complaint forms filed by AHF.’
I think you just gave yourself away.
Why would you have copies of all complaint in your possession, why do you constantly try and consequently fail to attack the adult industry on this, as well as according to yourself, on other boards, why do you subject yourself to so much contempt, embarrassment, hatred and humilation? Even though you and your rants don’t matter, never were and never will be, but still one wonders: who are you and what do you exactly have at stake? I believe the answer is now clear.
When you first appeared on this board, from the user name you chose that was a childish, comical, pathetic attempt to *outrank* me to your half ass writings filled with all kinds of grammatical, typographical and intellectual errors and your poor reasoning, I assumed you might be Sophia Mounds who at that time was upset because of comments I made about her on this board and on PoonTalk; and some of my colleagues agreed that it’s a good possibility you might be her.
However, you first insisted that your name is Robert and you live in Denver, Colorado. Later, you left an email address for me at PoonTalk in which your name was Mike, not Robert, and after that you hinted on this board that you live in Los Angeles, California, not Denver, Colorado. A true example of incostincency that’s the natural result of lying, forgetting your first lie and therefore saying something that contradicts your first lie.
You kept attacking the adult industry on this board, clearly you were not here to socialize and chat, you were here to push an agenda and help a pathetic, losing cause. At some point during the recent HIV crisis, it seems you were under the impression that I’m sick and tired of the adult industry, that I’m stuck in a situation against my will. That’s when you reached out to me and offered friendship, so you can convince me to team up with you and help your cause. But once you realized you were wrong and I’m not sick and tired of the adult industry and I’m not going to do anything against it, you got frustrated and upset.
Meanwhile, Third Axis came along and did a fine job at kicking your ass all over this board, and the more you talked, the more you exposed yourself and your motives. Now as to your identity and motives, there are 3 possibilities:
1. You’re a middle age ex-government employee who was forced to get retired early, perhaps due to some unfortunate incident which resulted in some kind of disability, whether it’s physical or mental or a combination of both. Sometimes during your career or after your retirement, you became friends with Shelly Lubben and her group and joined her cause to have something to do with your life. That explains your seemingly endless free time, constant poor justifications of everything Shelly Lubben and your access to material such as the complaint forms filed by AHF.
2. You’re a middle age conservative housewife, a media watchdog whose assignment is to browse adult forums, attack the adult industry and justify the acts of her colleagues including Shelly Lubben. That also explains your seemingly endless free time, constant justifications of everything Shelly Lubben and your access to material such as the complaint forms filed by AHF.
3. You can be Shelly Lubben herself, and That perfectly explains your seemingly endless free time, constant justifications of everything Shelly Lubben and your access to material such as the complaint forms filed by AHF.
Whoever you are and whatever agenda you have, this is a war that you cannot win. Because you see, it’s not black and white, it’s not good vs. evil, it’s business and money. The adult industry, even in it’s worst shape, has more money power and resources than you can imagine; and when it comes to fighing a war, it’s all that matters, baby. Good, bad, we’re the ones with the bigger guns. Someday somebody might bring our ride to the end, but this is not that day, and you’re not that somebody.
Happy fishing.
DESI: Anyone who spends their entire lives in such a pathetic industry that feeds on the youth of American shows who’s the real LOSERS IN THE SYSTEM!!
Feeds on the youth? Do you know how hypocritical that is coming from your mouth, you old bag? You are absolute garbage.
Thanks for the compliment, Colonel. I’ll fight in the trenches with you anytime*
“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty – power is ever stealing from the many to the few.” -Wendell Phillips
My pleasure, Third Axis. It’s great to have you with us on this board.