LA Times Reports: “The petition… asks the court to order the county public health department to enforce regulations that require condom use in adult film production or take other ‘reasonable steps’ to stem the spread of disease.”
LOS ANGELES (July 16, 2009)⎯In response to the County’s inaction regarding the latest HIV outbreak and thousands of reported sexually transmitted diseases in LA’s porn industry, AIDS Healthcare Foundation (AHF) will host a press conference tomorrow, Friday, July 17th at 10:30 AM Pacific to announce the filing of a lawsuit against the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health (DPH) to require condom use in the production of pornography.
The lawsuit was filed in Superior Court of California, County of Los Angeles (Case No.: BS121665) today, Wednesday, July 16th and seeks a Writ of Mandate “compelling the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health to discharge its ministerial and non-discretionary statutory duty to combat an acknowledged epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases stemming from production of hardcore pornography in Los Angeles County.”
AHF filed the lawsuit after exhausting all other methods to compel the County to fulfill its obligation to protect the public’s health in the wake of last month’s revelation that an actress working in the adult film business had tested positive for HIV. At that time, AHF had urged the County to better monitor HIV and STD prevention in the region’s adult film industry—and require condom use—or to shut down porn sets.
Since the June 17th reporting of the latest HIV outbreak—and the subsequent report by the LA Times that as many as 22 porn performers may have tested positive in the last five years—no action has been taken by the County to halt the spread of STDs on LA porn sets or to conduct the proper and legally required public health follow-up with those thought to be infected.
“The Department of Public Health has a responsibility to try and control the spread of STDs in LA County—particularly in a commercial venue. Despite this responsibility, 29 days after an outbreak of a potentially lethal virus—HIV—in the porn industry, the County has not taken a single step to address this serious public health threat,” said Michael Weinstein, President of AIDS Healthcare Foundation. “As an HIV and STD medical provider, it is our obligation to pursue County action on this issue, which goes beyond just the recent HIV outbreak and includes an epidemic of thousands of STD cases in the porn industry—an epidemic virtually ignored by the County Dept. of Public Health. This is not just about one industry, but about our entire community as the spread of disease among performers endangers themselves as well as their sexual partners outside the industry. There is no firewall between porn performers and the general public.”
The fact that the DPH is aware of the ongoing pervasive sexually transmitted disease crisis in LA’s pornography industry is well documented. DPH has cited numerous figures confirming an STD epidemic among performers in adult films, including the fact that performers in hardcore pornography are ten times more likely to be infected with a sexually transmitted disease than members of the population at large.
“You cannot implement effective public health under a cone of silence. Unfortunately, whether due to squeamishness around the subject matter or plain bureaucratic indifference, silence has been the County’s only response when it comes to the rampant STD problem in LA’s porn industry,” added Weinstein.
According to figures cited by DPH, there were 2,013 documented cases of Chlamydia among LA porn performers between 2003 and 2007. In the same period, 965 cases of gonorrhea were documented. Many performers suffer multiple infections. In the period April 2004 to March 2008 there have been 2,847 STD infections diagnosed among 1,884 performers in the hardcore industry in LA County. DPH attributes the epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases in the porn industry to a lack of protective equipment for partners, including condoms. The agency recommends condoms be used during production, but has never taken steps to ensure their use, or to protect the performers who are essentially required to endanger their health in order to remain employed.
“By recommending—but not requiring—condom use on porn film sets, the County is basically abdicating its responsibility to perform its main function—which is to protect the public health,” said Whitney Engeran-Cordova, Director of AIDS Healthcare Foundation’s Public Health Division. “Thousands of STDs could be prevented in Los Angeles County with the mandated use of condoms on porn sets.”
The lawsuit’s Prayer for Relief states: “That this Court issue a write of mandate, directing DPH to enforce California Health and Safety Code sections 120575 and 120175 by requiring all performers to use condoms in the making of hardcore pornography, or alternatively taking any and all other reasonable steps necessary to stem the spread of sexually transmitted diseases in the production of pornography in Los Angeles County.”
“Despite a duty to take all reasonable measures necessary to prevent transmission of these diseases, LA public health officials have done nothing to combat this known, serious health threat to the people of Los Angeles County,” said Brian Chase, Assistant Legal Counsel for AIDS Healthcare Foundation. “Not only is the County in clear violation of California Health and Safety Code, but the agency’s inaction is needlessly placing thousands of people at risk of disease and death.”
AHF has previously sought remedy for public health issues through the legal system and succeeded. Late last year, in response to an AHF lawsuit filed in Superior Court of California County of Los Angeles, a judge ordered California’s Department of Health Care Services (DHCS) to implement a landmark 2002 law intended to extend Medi-Cal (Medicaid) coverage to HIV-positive Californians. The Court ruled that the state’s Department of Health Care Services (DHCS) “…arbitrarily failed to meet its statutory duties…” in implementing the 2002 legislation.
About AHF
AIDS Healthcare Foundation (AHF) is the US’ largest non-profit HIV/AIDS healthcare provider, which operates the largest HIV/AIDS and sexually transmitted disease testing and prevention program in California. AHF currently provides treatment, care and support services to more than 100,000 individuals in 21 countries worldwide in the US, Africa, Latin America/Caribbean and Asia. Additional information is available at www.aidshealth.org
AIM is supposed to rep performers but this will only help further obliterate what’s left of the porn industry. Again, there is no ‘epidemic’. The word needs to be looked up in the dictionary. And if HIV is something to be feared, condoms don’t help because the openings in rubbers are huge compared to the size of any “HIV” retrovirus.
correct me if I am wrong but the other 22 cases, were they not active performers, weren’t they people who either a) wanted to get into the jiz biz and found out they were hiv + or people that walked in off the streets and got tested, the place is open to the public is it not?
and i wouldn’t call it an out break if one person got it, and didn’t spread.. the female got it out side of the biz? am i wrong on this please call me out..
You don’t need to set all my comments to “awaiting moderator approval” Cindi. I’m through talking about Sophia, unless she starts up again. When my comment finally pops up it is in order of when I sent it, not when it posted.
Colonel, you cannot believe that this will happen, do you?
This is total crap to make the public feel good that they are doing something about “The Big Bad Porn Industry”.
Please there are so many holes in the lawsuit my 10 year old can pick them out!
Kay, I cross my heart and hope they never win, but if they do, it’ll be the end of the adult industry as we know it.
Eat this, Seth Dick-ins.
The govt can’t regulate anything in porn, because if they do they will want to regulate EVERYTHING. I do think that condoms for anal would be a good idea. But can you imagine watching a blowjob with a rubber? Yuck. No matter what is done, it should be up to the performers, no one else.
I agree with Miss Biatch, in addition to what I’ve already stated here and as stated before currently the porn industry is twice as safe as the general population when it comes to contracting the mysterious and unprecedented HIV retrovirus.
One assumes risks in anything. Living in a bad neighborhood, driving a car (which has 40-50,000 fatalities per year, plus countless other injuries), having a psycho girl or boyfriend. But this is America and it’s our right to choose.
Performers don’t get residuals or health care benefits so this issue isn’t about helping or protecting people. It’s all politics.
If they did do it, wouldn’t it be in just CALI so the porn world would just move right?
Weinstein is such a smug ass. You can lump this ass in the same category with the prosecutor in the Rob black case claiming they are righteous in protecting people from themselves. Good luck legally forcing people to wear condoms when there is no indication they have any disease. Can you imagine the slippery slope that one begins? It’s pathetic but it’s also tragically hilarious.
Yes, this involves only LA county, but the potential financial impacts on the bulk of the industry, which is located primarily within its borders, would be staggering should people have to relocate to continue business.
There are more gaping holes in the AHF’s premise than there are in all of Porn Valley. In order to prove their ridiculous “statistics” posited in the suit, they’d have to give comparable – and accurate – figures for STD infections in the general population, which are WAY higher, I guarantee. Also, there is absolutely no way to verify if actual adult performers have contracted various infections from their personal contacts outside of work rather than from other performers, thus stretching the whole (pun intended) of AHF’s logic even further. We all know that by virtue of the industry’s generally careful testing process, performers are significantly “safer” overall, which flies in the face of AHF’s assertion that adult performers are a risk to the general citizenry of LA county. What total bullshit! But all of this is still highly troubling, since lawmakers are notoriously prone to overlooking the true facts.
If law pushers and law makers were genuine and on top of things as they should in the first place they wouldn’t be so reactionary, and ultimately causing more problems with their blind, sweeping measures than they solve… Actually what problems will these measures solve?; none. What problems will they cause?: lots. The illusion of safety on a sinking ship.
In the past 4 years over 2500 individual performers have tested psitive for gonn or chlamydia. That is directly from the legal forms that AIM sends to the coutny health department.
That is just gonn and clamydia, it does not include herpes, hpv, pid, bacterial vaginosis,hep A or B, or any fecal throat or vaginal infection etc, etc. Can you imagine how high that number would be if it included all of the above mentioned std’s?
Third Axis, how does this corelate to your statemnet that “performers are significantly “safer” overall?
It’s about time. Pink Cross Foundation will be there with testimonies and evidence in hand. You can guarantee that!
Fuck you Shelly, this case has more holes in it than your dirty underwear; it’ll more likely be thrown of the court along with your stupid ass.
If the adult industry doesn’t police and regulate itself, the government will eventually step in and kick everybody’s ass. They will build our gallows high, but I don’t think this particualr case has the legitimacy and potential of being that gallow. I certainly hope not.
the general Says:
“In the past 4 years over 2500 individual performers have tested psitive for gonn or chlamydia. That is directly from the legal forms that AIM sends to the coutny health department.
That is just gonn and clamydia, it does not include herpes, hpv, pid, bacterial vaginosis,hep A or B, or any fecal throat or vaginal infection etc, etc. Can you imagine how high that number would be if it included all of the above mentioned std’s?
Third Axis, how does this corelate to your statemnet that “performers are significantly “safer” overall?”
General, do these stats state for a fact that this number is individual performers, or individual instances, i.e. performers with multiple infections? Still bad, but potentially not completely accurate as stated. Sure, common sense would tell you that people who have lots of (non-vanilla) sex with multiple partners are more prone to contracting STIs; however, the incidences of all the other STIs you mention are anybody’s guess, and guesses – or “imagining” – are not facts. Until the proponents of such measures can come up with ironclad facts that can be broken down into specific, incremental segments, then it’s all just smoke and mirrors in a big ‘ol dog ‘n’ pony show. Anyone should still feel safer having sex with porn chicks – and I do – than the average women down at the mall.
Another thought: Why do we never hear an outcry from these health-regulation Nazis when there’s outbreaks of the life-threatening H1N1 virus, tuberculosis, potentially serious staph infestions, or any number of health-risk exposures in the general population? Do we hear them calling for mandatory face masks, latex gloves, etc.? Certainly not.
This is individual performers…2567 to be exact. Of these 974 had repeat infections, averageing 66 days between infections, and 435 of then had both gonn/chlam reported at the same time. And yes, the incidences of the other disesases are anybody’s guess, and I will leave that to you to decide for yourself what those numbers might be. I would think that at least an equal number have at least herpes, if not hpv, pid etc. There is a reason these tests are not ‘Mandatory” in the industry. If they were, the healt department would be going nuts over this shit. Better to not test and not report than to test and give all this information to the county health as they would be required to do. That is why the gay industry does not test and you never hear about the health department coming down on the gay industry, even though over 50% of the gay performers are HIV positive. The health department has NO stats on the gay industry, but they do have stats on the str8 industry because the str8 industry has a testing progam that gives them the information.
The big unanswerd question really is, how many individual performers has AIM tested in that time period. Without that number then the actual percentage of performers who are infected on an annual basis is impossible to calculate.
That old line about porn people being safer than the general population is laughable. It is a lie that has been repeated so many times that people believe it, just like porn is a 13 billion dollar industry.
Do you think the porn industry would ever do any kind of study to see how many past performers over the years have developed cervical cancer due to REPEATED exposure to the hpv virus. Not on your life.
The biggest of all healthcare “secrets” in the industry right now is HPV. If the females in this biz had any clue as to the number of times they are being repeatedly exposed to this cancer causing virus, I would hope that at least some of them would turn and run as fast as possible. This is where the true “Epidemic” is in the industry.
ThirdAxis, if you have had as much sex with pornstars as you say you do, then you “probably” have the hpv virus,(hpv is a simple virus to pass along form females to males, and even easier from males to females) but there is NO test for males. That being said,”IF” you have the virus, you are passing it on to every female, or male for that matter, that you have sex with. Are you comfortalble with that? Just some food for thought.
“… That old line about porn people being safer than the general population is laughable. It is a lie that has been repeated so many times that people believe it, just like porn is a 13 billion dollar industry.”
Then, general, I challenge you to present actual facts to back up your statement, which is complete conjecture. Facts don’t lie, but people that lack them do.
As you say, without AIM’s full data these are just empty numbers. I also have seen NO comparable data on the general population, so those empty numbers are decidedly one-sided as well. Your assertion that HPV, or any virus, is transmitted with every single contact is patently false, and you need to broaden your source material beyond the pamphlets distributed by the angry villagers. Now put on your hardhat – or Pope hat – and get up on that scaffolding… oh, but if you fall off, we’ve installed a trampoline on the ground for you.
Third Ax, with al due respect, yuou need to broaden your sources to other thatn adult industry gossip sites. I suggest you simply good HPV TRANSMISSION and read for yourself. Plenty of good stuff from the CDC, World Health Organization etc. And rest assured, IF you have had the type of contact youclaim to have had, then youre a carrier, or you are a very very very lucky individual.
According to AIM(sharon Mitchell) won sworn testimony in ront of the california state legislature, the monthly gonn/chlam rate for performers is about @% each individal month, which trnslates to about 25% of all performers every year. NOw take into account the very common practice of taking the gonn/chlam medication about 4 or 5 days before testing, and the number of people who go to west oaks urgent during the middle of the month when they get that itch(the go to riggs is the middle of the month and continue working with their :clean: AIM test, and that right there is about a ten times higher rate of JUST gonn/chlam than the genereal public.
P.s. Third AX, since youre having so much ses with porn stars when was your last herpes test? Or do you just prefer not to think about it?
And no trampoline necessary, I always land on my feet.
OOOPS thats 2% each month(hit the caps lock)…..And since nobody here ever believes anything sharon mitchell says i guess you must all believe that it is higher than that.
Or will you all now agree with Mitch just to disagree with me? lololol Have your cake and eat it too, or shove it up your ass, whichever you prefer. \
Now continue spreading your diseases as if they were peanut butter and jelly….Which are you 3rd, butter or jelly?
Wow nice to see that other people can fight and it’s not just always My Colonel starting a ruckus!
We can seesaw back and forth forever on stats and studies, all of which can be skewed depending on factors like who’s funding the research, who’s gathering the data, what are the control groups, and how were they chosen and by whom. One study supports your claims while another refutes them. This is true of everything from AIDS to food additives. You can believe everything you read from the CDC and the WHO if you choose to. I’ll make up my own mind, thanks.
What it essentially comes down to is choice. Do you really want the government to mandate that you use a condom every single time that you have sex, even with a regular partner, your spouse, whomever (if you do so already, fine, but nobody should have the right to tell you to). Can you ever be 100% sure that ANY relationship is completely monogamous, and that you are totally “safe”? Lock down your woman/man and monitor their every move? The government has no more right to tell a porn performer to wear a condom – or face what, prosecution? – than they do to tell Joe Six-Pack in Hog Wallow, Iowa, to do the same damn thing. What places the porn industry in any other class that the rest of LA county, or America? First it’s condoms, then what’s next?
You can drop trou for Uncle Sam – or worse yet, his suburban, county commissioner equivalent – every time he reaches for his zipper, general, but with all due respect, I’ll keep my pants on.
And I’m disease-free, tested regularly with full panel, but thanks for thinking so much about my equipment. PB&J, huh? You are a real gourmand, g.
THIRD, you know full well nobody is talking about making condoms mandatory for everybody everywhere. This is a WORKPLACE issue.
You ask, ..”What places the porn industry in any other class than the rest of la county or america?
That is exactly the point, why should the porn industry get a free pass and not have to follow the same rules and regulations as the rest of the country? Why should constructionworkers be ‘forced’ to wear hardhats, why should hospital workers be ‘forced’ to wear gloves, why should food workers wear hairnets.
This is a multib-billion dollar biz(lol). Why should over 2500 workers who have contracted std’s by just oing their jobs have no legal recourse.
2500 infected workers(thats JUST gonn/chlam) and not one single penny paid by the industry for any of it. ANy other industry that has inherent occupational hazzards with forseeable injuries always provide remedies for those injuries…the porn industry does NOTHING for you when you get one of these diseases, so I ask again, why should porn get a pass onthis when every other industry has to pay?
Show me any other industry that has this high of a percentage of workers infected with bacterial and viral infections anywhere.
So I ask you, what places the porn industry in any other class? Why should the porn industry get a free pass for infecting over 2500 of its own workers over the past few years. I think the porn industry should be treated like any other industry, and they should have some compensation system for somebody who catches a disease while just doing the JOB they are hired for.
How can anyone take this industry seriously when the do NOTHING regarding over 2500 infected performers…..
2500 infected performers
2500 infected perfromers
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Just remember the above FACTS next time youre about to dip your wick in some porn pussy.
Colonel, youre the master here…How many total performers do you estimate have gone through AIM in the last four years, and what is your estimate as to the percentage that 2500 infected performers represent?
Whats next, first its gonnoreah, then its chalmydia, then its herpes, then its pid, then its HPV, then its gonn in the throat, then its chlamydia in the ass, then its an eye infection from god knows what, then its hepatitis A, then B then C, then a few anal warts, then a torn asshole, then its a fecal infection in the throat, and you ask whats next AXIS, i’ll tell you whats next…HIV followed by full blown aids. Do yourself a favorAXIS, and keep your pants on.
p.s. Axis, still think porn performers are cleaner than civilians? I cant beleve youre that uninformed.
2500 ifected performers is a fact that cannot be ignored, and the only real debate about this number is how many MORE there actually are than just the 2500 reprted by AIM. Lets correleate dr riggs clinic and a few others in the valley in there and see the real number. But you cannot dispute the 2500 infected performers.(of course you can ignore it and pretend not to see it, but it doesnt change the fact.
The real reason the condom issue is finally seeing the light of day is due to potential mass infection at this point.
That quarantine period was much much much too short and since the people in quarantine have been released as of July 6th (I believe), who knows how many people each of those individuals have worked with and so forth.
“Not Detected” does not mean negative. The HIV incubation period has a very highly variable timetable.
Even performers who haven’t worked for months, generally (if they’re smart) get tested 3 months to a year afterwards to ENSURE that they are in the clear. I did.
Give this about 2 to 4 months. I hope for the best, but honestly I expect to hear of something slipping through the cracks.
It doesn’t matter, Monica. If it becomes a mandatory 6 months that’s still not going to satisfy the paranoid zealots who insist on lifetime bans.
—-Give this about 2 to 4 months. I hope for the best, but honestly I expect to hear of something slipping through the cracks.
If this were a man as opposed to a woman I would be a lot more concerned because female to male transmission is much more rare, plus in this case the exposure was not potentially widespread.
Jeez, g., you’re a full-blown alarmist. Danger everywhere. Germs and infections and diseases, oh my! I’ll just bet you’re an obsessive hand-washer too? Why don’t you run for public office and put some action to your fear. It might help with that.
Again, we cycle back through the same arguments covered previously. When you can prove, PROVE, what percentage of performers are being infected on the job and not off the job, then your “2500 infected performers” is a useless statistic. Your time might be better spent tracking down all of those dirty civilians responsible for just as many “imagined” on-the-job infections. When you have those numbers, call our hotline.
Another argument from ‘LIB’s Greatest Hits’ – How will LA county pay for this Condom Posse and its monitoring, policing, and prosecuting. Maybe cut your kid’s education back some more? Because, you know, this porn industry thing is way more important than education, public services, and jobs for all those laid-off citizens. I’m sure protecting people who fuck for a living will get solid backing from out-of-work taxpayers. Good luck with that.
Sorry, above I should have said, “Until you can prove…” that the porn industry is entirely the culprit, and not dirty civies, for infecting porn workers. That’s a fair argument against your incomplete, one-sided data.
Colonel:
“It’ll be the end of the adult industry as we know it”.
Totally agree with you, no more creampies, no more rough sex on cam, no more eating cums, Porn will be dye since the day the lawsuit prospers anyway something is going wrong in the business….22 cases disclosed and the last HIV case and nothing happens..
It’s a very complicated issue
Only complicated by the lack of real, verifiable, and comparable data, RP. An “epidemic” of one is pretty uncomplicated by any standard.
Third,
You are really missing the point of the 2500 infected performers. Where they got the diesease(inside or from outside the industry) is completely irrelevent.
The MAIN FACT is that these performers are going onto sets with theses infections and exposing others in the WORKPLACE. It doesnt matter where they got it, the fact is they took it to work with them and exposed others to it.
If 2500 performers have been PROVEN to be infected, and they have, then how many others have been EXPOSED to those diseases in the workplace? If people are being exposed, and they are, there is no debating that, then the law requires the health department to take necessary steps to limit that exposure.
No, g., These FACTS are absolutely not “irrelevant.” I love how when you state some incomplete stat, it becomes the very cornerstone of your argument, but when faced with a challenge to prove the methodology and veracity of that data, it becomes “irrelevant.” Credibility, zero. Keep fishing, you might catch something, tiger.
One of the main premises for the AHF’s suit is that porn performers are going out into the general pop and transmitting STD’s to the unsuspecting citizens of LA county – and they are talking primarily about HIV, not other STIs – this is why porn workers must be legally forced to use condoms. I challenge that these statements are wholly unproven with any factual data, and that individuals outside of the industry could – and I’m saying “could,” because it’s virtually impossible to prove any such assumption, just like it’s virtually impossible to prove the assumption that porn perfs are solely the carriers, you dig? – be equally responsible. Hence, my suggestion earlier in this thread, that by the AHF’s same logic, EVERYONE in the general pop should also be legally bound to the same mandate.
So you can take your 2500, round it off, divide it by zero, and tuck it away in your little Hello Kitty file cabinet. You and the AHF will have to come up with something stronger – and verifiable – to justify make needless, unenforceable, and impossibly expensive laws for an industry which has successfully stayed cleaner than your average American high school over the last four years. But, like you, I’m just assuming that.
Third,
i suggest you do some homework and look up the Brooke Ashley case..In Dec. 2008 the Supreme Court Of the State of California ruled that the production company was liable for the HIV infection of Brooke Ashley. That is a closed case, no further papeal, a done deal.
Not one single peice of evidence, not one positive test, NOTHING, was presented to even suggest that someone on that set was HIV positive and still they found in favor of the plaintiff.
And just for the hellof it, what do you have to back up your statements that the porn industry is cleaner than the general public.
These 2500 cases are PROVEN cases. The morbidity reports have been sent by AIM to the health department, there is NO disputing that. And this is only gonn/chlam. If you did a simple one generation q-list for each of theses exposures, the number of EXPOSED performers is astronomical.
The 2500 cases have been VERIFIED. There is no doubt about that.
The Fact is 2500 performers have been infected. The fact is that does not even icnlude herpes, hpv etc. The fact is these people who have been PROVEN to be infected are exposing countless others in tthe WORKPLACE. IT is not a privacy issue. Your statement that they are primarily talking about HIV is simply a factual error. Read the ACTUAL SUIT, NOT WHAT OTHERS ON GOSSIP SITES ARE SAYING ABOUT IT.
Third, have you actually read the lawsuit. There is a link to the actual suit itself on the L.A. Times website. Please read it before contiunuing to make a fool out of yourself.
“The Fact is 2500 performers have been infected…”
And detected (through the excellent work of AIM), and treated, don’t you think? This in and of itself does not justify governmental interference, regardless of the many other unanswered factors that you can’t and won’t answer for. Sorry, you will not convince me, and you are beating a silent drum to my ears. I assure you, g., that I have made it a point to examine all of the pertinent information and background on this, and all other health and legal issues pertaining to the adult industry, dating back to John Holmes – and long before “gossip sites” as you refer to LIB here, ever existed. There you go making asinine assumptions again, junior. You’re a one-trick pony with a self-serving agenda and a messiah complex. Get some followers, buy a trunk-load of Kool-Aid and rat poison, and move to the desert. I’m retiring from this endless and useless diatribe of yours.
“Your statement that they are primarily talking about HIV is simply a factual error.”
You are correct. They are addressing all STIs. I was referring to the main issue currently in the news, that of the single detected HIV incident. I lumped that together with the recent AHF suit; the mistake is mine.
Um, I gota be on the Generals side, I know a few male performers who are sex addicts. One told me he had to have sex and if I didn’t give him sex he’d find someone/anyone because I didn’t know what he was going threw… I don’t want to generalize but there are many sex-adicts in the XXX biz. A sex adict doesn’t care if he or she wears a condom, there looking for their next sexual fix with the most feeling to fill their emptieness. So he tells me; “you really, really, don’t understand!” He’s right, I don’t! I understand having sex on camera because your a show off sexually, I understand doing it because your sexual or because you need money. But I don’t understand needing people like you need a cigarete? And it’s more life threatening to… The sex wasn’t even about me, I could have been anyone. But this is the main reason why porn is dangerous, open your eyes people… Do you actually believe most porn performers, who sit around doing some of the lowest sex acts around, for bargain basement prices, aren’t sex adicts? With many performers being unable to pay their rent making porn: “they couldn’t be addicted to sex? And don’t you think that these types of performers are endangering other performers lifes?” Read up on what a sexual addict is and then anwser the question: “do you still think porn is safe?”
Third,
You fail to see the real consepuences of this lawsuit. By filing this suit againt the Health Dept.(NOT OSHA), they are able to bypass getting any new legislation. For years, since 2004, there have been several attempts to get new legislation passed to require condoms. By filing this suit, you can get one single judge to force the health department to issue citations thereby bypassing the state legislature and OSHA. Now, instead of having to have the issue fully debated in the legislature, or jump through the OSHA hoops which rewuire somebody actually involved to file a complaing, the Health Department will issue the citations themselves, and all the AID HEalthcare Foundation needs to get this done is one single friendly judge.
So much for due process, eh? If it is ruled into law, I can’t wait to see the backlash from angry taxpayers when presented with the budget for chasing porn producers around to ensure that they are enforcing condom use in the workplace, a workplace that very few of those taxpayers could give a single care for. That’s because they are far more concerned about their state’s $26.3 billion deficit, massive cuts in education, public services, worker benefits, and services for low-income families, among other negative impacts. You seem to think that the county’s coffers are just brimming with cash. Oh, maybe you haven’t heard about the recent financial troubles of every city and county in the state of California, because you’ve been too busy wasting your time on these “gossip sites” as you call them.
Perhaps you and the AHF should have thought this through a little better. I ask you, is it your your intention to have county health employees attached to every single porn shoot to monitor proper application of the law? Random spot checks? Maybe an office somewhere, where poor, overworked/wage-reduced county drones watch the thousands-upon-thousands of porn scenes produced each year (although it will be impossible to prove which ones were specifically produced within LA county) to see if every cock is suited up? Oh, wait, there are Photoshop techniques to remove those condoms, so how will they even know if those cocks were properly dressed in the first place? It’s a puzzlement…
Or how about this far more logical and cost-effective scenario: Allow the porn industry to continue to utilize proper testing, detection, and treatment. Take a fraction of the money that the county will waste on creating another bureaucracy and put it toward beefing up the existing infrastructure already created by AIM. Open more clinics, hire more medically trained clinicians, buy more computers and diagnostic equipment, create a working solution that will involve the medical side along with the content producers to develop higher health standards for their independent contractors (or porn performers, if you prefer). This seems like a more truly industry changing plan that you and the AHF’s solution of hiring county condom chasers. But it’s never about real solutions with you regulation zealots, is it?
By the way, another thought on your favorite number, 2500, “general Sesame Street” – this is the number of performers who tested positive for gonn/chlam over a four-year period, which gave them all dirty tests from AIM, which prevented them from working on any porn set… other than maybe Tom Moore’s. So there was in actuality (and in all fairness, an assumed) negligible transmission of these STIs to any other performers in this workplace (and you have to ponder where those STIs were contracted in the first place since every performer has to have a clean test before having contact with another performer, so there’s that pesky civilian component again). That being considered, I’d say current testing is working very well, and could be made even better with some of that cash you and the AHF are proposing to flush away on the county.
Third,
your last paragraph here is LaughabLE. If a performer tests positive today, that means he or she got infected some time BEFORE today. How long before today that person got infected is anyones guess. Lets say they were infected only three days before testing, but worked two times, with two people on each set. That is four people EXPOSED. Now lets say they got infected 25 days before testing and worked 12 times with two partners each day. Thats about 24 people exposed.
Yoou keep trying to insunuate that you cant prove the infections come from the industry but from civilians outside the industry.
Again I will ask you ,,, if you did a single genereation q-list for every infection, how many other workers would be exposed?
Another of your simple misunderstanding of the AIM system,,,,,,You dont get tested at AIM befroe working,,,,,you go to AIM AFTER working to see if you caught anything. That is why AIM is called a ‘Harm reduction” model of health care.
The producer and director might say you have to go to AIM Before they will hire you. That is a buisiness decision for them to cover their asses.
THe MEDICAL aspect of AIM is to test AFTER you have worked to see if you caught something.
Right now on AVN.com is a quote from SHaron Mitchell in which she says about 2% of performers every individual month test positive. Thats 2% this month,2% next month, etc, etc. Taking into consideration multip;le infections of the same performer that means AIM admits that at least 24% of ALL performers test positive for something in the course of a single year.
Please tell me how 24% of the adult indstry workforce getting at least one std(remember this doesnt count herpes, hpv etc.) every year is not an epidemic. SHow me any other industry with an illness(not injury) rate anywhere close to this(except strretwalking prostitiution)
Thirdaxis says…..”I assure you that I ahve made it a point to examine all of the pertinent information and backround on this and all other health issues pertaining to the adult industry dating back to John Holmes…..” Simce you have done all this research, perhaps you can shed some light on the current HPV situation in the adult industry?(ooops, we’re not supposed to talk about this now, are we.)
And for the record, It ha been decided, by the Supreme Court of California(brooke ashley) that performers are employees, not IC’s. That is a done deal, period, end of debate.
So please thirdaxis, what did all of your =research turn up regarding that pesky HPV issue that the industry has remained ever so silent about?
Boy, nobody can “assume” and extrapolate numbers like you, general Sesame Street! 2% becomes 24% in no time. POP!… fizzle. And your before/after-work testing statement is silly symantics, and doesn’t deserve a response. What, pray tell, is your stake in all of this? Just a “concerned citizen?” Maybe a lowly county worker worried about losing your job? You’re definitely not a health-care professional, since you trade in baked statistics. Tell us why you care so deeply?
HPV? Read the CDC’s facts for the general pop, and weep:
“Genital human papillomavirus (HPV) is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the United States. More than 40 HPV types can infect the genital areas of men and women, including the skin of the penis, vulva (area outside the vagina), and anus, and the linings of the vagina, cervix, and rectum. These types can also infect the lining of the mouth and throat. An HPV infection can linger over time and turn normal cells into abnormal cells and then cancer.
A large study that covered 83% of the U.S. population between 1998–2003 estimated that about 24,900 HPV-associated cancers occur each year. More than 17,300 HPV-associated cancers occur yearly in women, and almost 7,600 occur yearly in men. Cervical cancer is the most common HPV-associated cancer. Nearly all cervical cancer is caused by HPV. Some cancers of the vulva, vagina, penis, anus, and head and neck (oral cavity and oropharynx) are also HPV-associated.
Data Source: Watson M, Saraiya M, Ahmed F, Cardinez CJ, Reichman ME, Weir HK, Richards TB. Using population-based cancer registry data to assess the burden of human papillomavirus-associated cancers in the United States: Overview of methods. Cancer 2008;113(S10):2841–2854. Available from http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/cases.htm.”
The porn industry is a drop in the bucket for HPV and every other STI you cite – but far, far less for HIV – you fool. 83% way back in ’03! Don’t call me out on research, because I’ve not only read, but actually studied, all of the data that you claim to know so well. Good luck explaining to the taxpayers – a good portion of whom are HPV carriers – why they should give a fuck about the porn industry enough to bear the cost of its health care, when they can’t afford their own.
Excuse me, I misstated: 24,900 of the 83% studied. Still a VERY large percentage overall. You’ll have to do a little homework and find the accurate number of porn performers, factor accurate stats for HPV among them, and then you can start cooking the numbers to support your position. Good luck.
What may be ‘silly symantics’ to you are not so silly to those with the std’s.
And for the record, you heard it here first, there is a shitstorrm about to hit the fan that is going to change the industry forever. Thanks in large part to the gossip sites, and the industry’s unwillingness to make any changes since 2004, not only this lawsuit, but PERFORMER lawsuits against the industry and OSHA are in the works. Funny how those lawsuits are all about these silly semantics.
You heard it here first.
Like I posted in another discussion here, when you print the “stage”name of a perfromer with a “HIPPA” protected illness, make sure that stage name does not include the persons REAL name. Even just giving clues, gender, age, physical description, is a HIPPA violation. Lawsuit anybody.
Third, no need for me to “cook any numbers’ The ACLU is handling that for me, and for all of you in the industry. I’m laughing so hard right now I can barely type!!!!
You love this stuff, don’t you, gSS. You obviously show no solidarity or support for the industry, and take pleasure in frivolous lawsuits, the circumventing of due process, the wasting of taxpayer money, and the lack of any real solution that these pose to the problems we in the industry face.
You seem to think that by slapping on a condom, all the health issues miraculously disappear. You have also failed to explain just how you propose to justify, pay for, administer, and litigate the proposed measures to county taxpayers. This showcases your complete lack of forethought, and just what a fool you are. You’ve made no address to the alternative solutions I’ve proposed, and this further shows that you have ulterior motives which are not about porn-worker health at all. You would rather piss money away on bureaucrats than put it toward positive industry change that extends beyond a Band-Aid (condoms). You expose yourself further with every gloating, self-serving post you make here, on this “gossip site.”
To answer your idiotic “before/after” symantical blather, look no further than the FACT that AIM detected those wannabe, non-pro individuals out of the 18/22 – those that LA County Health later recanted – wait for it… BEFORE they could go to work and infect actual professional porn workers.
Go back to the Learning Annex and get some book learnin’, you fool.
If the goverment doesn’t want a biz to exist they will fine that biz out of biz. I’ve seen it when the city of Resida didn’t want a bikini bar in it’s city. They fined them until they had to close. They fined and fined, even fining them for having the hinges on the kitchen doors backwards. Does anyone else besides me believe that maybe this law-suit might be just the tip of the ice burg, for the goverment to attempt to fine or cause the XXX industry to change in such a way, that it would make the films less apealling to consumers by lowering there profits and putting a lot of XXX company’s out of biz?
Ah, lost little butterfly… comparing a bikini bar to a multi-billion-dollar industry is just a bit incorrect. You don’t “fine” a behemoth business like porn away, I don’t care how much you chip on it, and no matter how many county regulations, ACLU lawsuits, and dunce-boy generals you throw at it. Porn in LA county ain’t going anywhere but to the bank. And while porn is at it, it’ll pay the wages of countless struggling service-industry workers, millions of dollars in county/city/federal permits and taxes, and on the way home, porn’ll stop off at the bikini bar and generously tip a couple of bartenders and waitresses.
Third,
And I suppose jessica dee, miss arroy, lara roxx,brooke ashely,caroline,(and the restof Marcs victims) were all detected before they worked
And the 2500 other infected indiviual were all detected BEFORE they worked.
THIRD, the same arguments you make have been made by virtually everyo other industry when confronted with OSHA safety regulations. Youre obvioulsy not old enough to rememnber when the construction industry made virtually the same argument against the NEW osha. They all said, how can you regulate such a huge indsutry, who is going to enforce all theses regulations(hardhats etc.) The mining industry fought tooth and nail against safety regulations, so did the agriculture industry. Your argument is NOTHING new, and it has failed every time in the past, and will fail again.
And what you call blather is actually the definitionof a ‘harm reduction” medical program. Do you know what a harm reduction medical program is. Call AIM and ask them, because obviously you dont. That is the basis of the ENTIRE PROGRAM. And then go to Genes site and read about the new lawsuit by Patient ZERO, it was filed yesterday.(oh, and who do you think sent genen the link to the story?)
Third, just ask TTBOY about those fines….They drove him outof the state. And when he tried to hide his involvement by not being forthcoming about which of his TWO companies was involved they fined BOTH. AND BOTH OF THEM PAID, AFTER HE LOST ALL OF HIS APPEALS. REPEAT, LOST,LOST LOST ALL ALL OF HIS APPEALS.
The TT Boy story and his exile from porn´s main street (in the Valley) is the greatest story not covered by porn journalist! This is big, and yet, neither LIB, AFYI, X BIZ has done a in dept report.
Redundant… boring. You’ve added nothing. Good luck with your unemployment.
Sorry, not you, Harvey; you actually bring up a very interesting thread. That was directed to “general Sesame Street,” the guy who whacks off to porn and then is so overcome by his sense of shame and self-loathing, that he lashes out at the subject of his compulsion. The truth hurts, doesn’t it, little guy?
Third, your biggest mistake of all. I DONT work in the juz biz, never have, never will. And I am very comfortably retired since the age of 47 thank you.
Third, why dont you comment on TTBOY, or like Harvey pointed out, why hasnt anyone in the biz talked about OSHA running TT out of calfornia? Not one workd from XBIZ< AVN<LIB….What are you all afraid of? Let me answer that for you Third….youre all afraid of the truth.
And just like with the internet and piracy issues, nobdy in the juz biz had enough foresight to see this coming and here it is. This is going to be worse for the biz than any internet piracy issue, and the fact is nobody in the jiz biz has a clue as to what to do about it.
Third, the industry's lame attmept to say you cant prove where those infections came from is as lame as a company that says the employee got carpal tunnel syndrome at home while typing on their home computer. It doesnt fly g.
You wouldnt know the truth if it hit you in the head. Third, you have never had a woman you didnt pay for have you? See, I can make up shit like that too. When you resort to making up shit like that about someone you know nothing about it really makes your argument look really convincing.
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The truth hurts, doesnt it?
You had to resort to that kind of shit…Shows how weak your argument is you pathetic piece of shit!!!!!
BTW, there, li’l g, I was born in ’57. You’re good at playing with numbers, so do the math.
And wait until you see the class action suit that is coming very shortly,,,,over 130 past performers and still counting. Third, you dont have the slightest clue whats coming next!!! These two suits are just the warm up to get to the real stuff, but a couple litte precendents need to be set first.
Oh, buddy, did I hit a nerve there with your psychological problems? Five whole exclamation points… “F-i-v-e, children. Ah, ah, ah” -The Count
So whats your take on the TTBOY thing Third, or are you to afraid to piss of phillip too?
Third, please read the suit itself that was just posted by Cindi here. Very carefully read the second to last paragrapgh about the previous SUCCESS that AHF has had in similar suits. Then go fuck yourself.
And still no response about that TTBOY issue? You must be one cowardly little fuck to be so aftaid of Phillip as to not even respond on a gossip site about how badly he fucked up the entire industry>
“And wait until you see the class action suit that is coming very shortly,,,,over 130 past performers and still counting. Third, you dont have the slightest clue whats coming next!!!”
General, I knew something like that was cooking, the question is who are the cooks.
1. Lawyers with background on the enteraiment industry that say porn is ripe for the taking.
2. Anti porn radical feminists that were devising something like that for years.
3. Bible thumpers (they are not that smart and they do not want to legitimize porn first in other to run it into the ground).
So who is the main cook?
Can I bring my popcorn?
“Too?” Ahhh, did I piss you off, li’l g? With what, exposing your failed logic? Your obvious self-hatred? Maybe it was your befuddlement as you struggled with the mental task of answering any of my rebuttals to your failed logic? Either, way, you’ve made yourself out to be a fool, and now an angry fool. Nice goin’.
Harvery,,,,, number one is correct. And I will not only provide the popcorn, I will throw in some goobers and raisinettes for free.
And third, What about that TTBOTY thing? You know, fined by OSHA(both companies) and forced out of california, leaving behind a precendent that is going to screw every company left behind. Your silence is deafening.
Who really cares about TT Boy, except you? He was fined by OSHA, he went away, but he sure didn’t take the entire industry with him, did he? I’m still here, and you’re still spending your precious time talking about me. Glad that I can help fill up your day.
Third, you really do have no clue as to the legal precednet set by TTBOY and how that is being used in the two current suits do you? Your statement that “he didnt take the entire industry with him”….thats a good one. He did just that, ALL of what is happening now is because of the precedent set by TTBOY, his companies lack of an I&IPP Plan, and his failure to report a workplace injury.
Third, you have no clue as to how bad this is right now for the industry, and the more you piss me off, the worse it will get. Gee, what is going to happen when OSHA gets the name of the company that Tom Moore was shooting for? The boys over at “Satans Films”(lol) must be on pins and needles these days. Now piss me off some more you fucking piece of shit!!
…. *snooze*
General, is the main Chef having a name like a sewing machine? Or is the Chef female and is seein all red.
guys, you mean there is no more evasive angles studio anymore? i enjoyed the movies coming out of there.
Ouch! Took a little deletion on the chin there, li’l g. Have to be careful when you get a bee in your bonnet, and start typin’ all in caps. But you bring a smile to my face, for sure. You regulation Nazis get sooo passionate about other people’s problems, yet never address your own. How common.
Incidentally, up there in one of your rants, you suggested that, “…your biggest mistake of all. I DONT work in the juz [sic] biz, never have, never will.”
Seriously, li’l g, I never, ever in a million years would take the flyin’ intellectual leap that you were ever anywhere near the “juz biz.” You don’t have the stuff it takes to make it in this business, junior. Not the guts, not the talent, not the integrity to stand up for – or the dedication to make better – such a great filmmaking tradition as pornography. I would’nt let you pick up the wet wipes off the floor after one of my shoots. That job is already taken by a well-paid production assistant with rent to pay and Pampers to buy. But you don’t give a shit about the “little people,” do ya, li’l g?
Nothing is going to change. Even if they pass this legislation, they can’t enforce it in a million years. This is no different than making the production of porn illegal outright, as it was before 1988 in Los Angeles. Obviously nobody could stop the production of porn then, and they sure as hell can’t make performers use condoms now. Sure does make for some humorous “news” stories though.
Thank you, Prez. At last, an educated, rational opinion after all of li’l g’s flabby finger flappin’. Correct you are, friend, and imbeciles who get their jollies out of wasting other people’s money on useless regulation schemes will inevitably, as they always do, find some other subject to obsess over; another one in which they have no stake whatsoever. They don’t deserve the time it takes to slap them down with their own unoriginal ideas.
So I guess none of you heard about the gay industry set that was shut down by OSHA yesterday in the san fern valley. More details to come tomorrow, and more ‘i=nspections too.
And third, youre right about one thing, I dont give a single shit about anybody in the porn biz. Isnt it amazing, that one person with one telephone can do so much damage to one of the biggest industries in the state of calfornia,(lol) and there aint a dam thing youcan do about it.
They cant enforce it in a million years, same thing they said about construction, mining and agriculture. That Mr. President, is nothing but wishful thinking.
You know how they enforce it in the other industries dont you, they make the fines and penalties severe enough to make you not want to get caught not following the rules. then they make examples out of a few, and the rest fall into line. Thats how we’ve been doing it for years(hey, is that a clue)
And Prez, These lawsuits are not seeking new legislation. They are seeking judicial injuntions to FORCE the Health Dept. and OSHA to enforce existing law. It is a beautiful move by some very savy attorneys who have been waitng with baited breath for the right person and right situation to come along. She did. She became known as Patient Zero. And she is in it for the long haul. Funny thing how one useless whore(as you guys like to call them) can do this to an entire multi=billion dollar industry. Must really suck for the boys club that this one whore is kicking all your asses(An HIV infected whore no less). I would say she who laughs last laughs best, but she aint laughing, and neither is anybody in the jiz biz who really understands whats going on right now.
Harvey, I pretty sure youre taking a shot at me there, but I honestly dont get the joke. Chef, sewing machine, seeing red….honestly I dont get it .
Please explain, I would hate to let a good rip go unappreciated.
Here’s one, if the government wanted to fuck with porn it could and would, but its a multi million dollar biz and citty oficials take “donations” looks like some CEO’s might want to start writing checks, just like the mainstream does… Everyone has a price and LA is out of money…
General, is not a shot at you, is a riddle about lawyers names, the ones that can cook ( hence Chef) a lawsuit like this. But Im Harvey Dent, not the Riddle so excuse me if it was too obscure.
Ah, gee. Now li’l g is a self-confessed whistle blower. How noble. It just tickles me to imagine you, in your lonely living room, with your fat, twitching finger poised over the phone buttons. You go get them homos, bo-ah! Make em’ squeal like piggies!
You are the exact reason that I will expend every resource available to me – and you’ll never know what they are, because you are such a total fringe-dwelling loser – to see your kind eat every fatuous, bloated claim that blows out of your ass.
Man this site has more fights then Republican talk radio. Man! They insulted fat people, litle girls, gay men… I love it… Right before I go to bed I read this. Most porn insiders really aren’t to concerned with this topic. Except for the General and the Col., of porn… You guys are the shit… They need guys like you on the lankus show…
—-They cant enforce it in a million years, same thing they said about construction, mining and agriculture. That Mr. President, is nothing but wishful thinking.
So making a porn flick in a Chatsworth tract house is comparable to mining? Yeah, good luck enforcing regulations there. If you could see how much I’m laughing at that one….
—-You know how they enforce it in the other industries dont you, they make the fines and penalties severe enough to make you not want to get caught not following the rules. then they make examples out of a few, and the rest fall into line. Thats how we’ve been doing it for years(hey, is that a clue)
This is also exactly how the vice squad used to bust sets before 1988 in Los Angeles County. We can see how that turned out. As I said, it will amount to absolutely nothing in the big picture.
“they make the fines and penalties severe enough to make you not want to get caught not following the rules. then they make examples out of a few, and the rest fall into line. Thats how we’ve been doing it for years(hey, is that a clue)”
Is very diferent than to prove prostitution that to enforce labor standards.
The evidence of lack of protection is on film, they do not need to bust a house, they just have to watch the videos to see who is not using protection in their shoots and fine them. Far more easier.
And no expensive legal procedings after that.
And sorry, after Freeman everyone jumped into porn, the number of people shooting porn jumped exponentially, now with expensive fines hanging over their heads, many producers will jump ship. That is not a bad thing, for the remaining ones, but the talent will find even less work at lesser rates.
So is back to the eighties, less porn but maybe better porn. And good or bad, with condoms.
“The evidence of lack of protection is on film, they do not need to bust a house, they just have to watch the videos to see who is not using protection in their shoots and fine them. Far more easier. And no expensive legal procedings after that.”
Ah, but Harvey, you’re completely forgetting the magic of Photoshop! Remember when the regulation brainiacs were suggesting that all us condom nay-sayers could simply apply “special software” to our content, and, Zap! The condom is gone! (man, I really miss Billy Mays). So how will the High Council of Wizards down at LA County Health really know if those condoms weren’t firmly in place before the Evil Video Editor Alchemists worked their subterfuge, making weak, quarter-limp sheathed dicks into glorious, vein-bulging truncheons of anal plunder?
And while the High Council are stroking their beards and muttering amongst themselves over the conundrum Photoshop presents, they’ll have to send for an Oracle to tell them if the living room in which the ghastly fuck scene they’re puzzling over takes place, is actually in Chatsworth, or Riverside, or Irvine, or San Diego, or maybe even freakin’ Budapest!
Herein lies the absurd fallacy that the AHF and pointy headed Inquisitionists like li’l g would foist on the already burdened taxpayers of LA County: There is no possible way that they can ever consistently monitor or enforce the use of condoms in the porn industry. Oh, maybe they’ll pick off a few weak strays from the herd here and there, but to achieve sweeping health reform as they claim to be doing, it won’t happen with this methodology. What it will do is waste a shocking amount of money, fail miserably at what it was purported to do, and really piss of taxpayers who will vote to fire each and every official who foisted this moneysuck on the county.
Back to our Photoshop/geography quandary. How to track down those nefarious pornsters who refuse to use condoms? Hmmm… The County will have to hire lots of guys ‘n’ gals with clipboards and two-way radios, who will have to find out where every porn shoot is taking place each day. They’ll have to load up into a fleet of County vehicles and fan out over the hills and dales of Porn Valley, all the way to the furthest borders, and enter the homes of Private Citizens, who have allowed their Private Homes to be used for the purpose of producing pornography. All of this will require a proper search warrant, of course, so they’ll have to get law enforcement involved. You see, porn isn’t primarily produced in a commercial facility, like a film studio, where county health officials can just walk in and start checkin’ cocks. So I’m thinking that the citizens will get a bit testy when confronted with the invasion of privacy issues this plan embraces. But, no, li’l g – Citizen Hero and Slayer of Diseased Homos – and his pals in the AHF haven’t thought all of this through, because they’re content to take random pot-shots at the porn industry, because they live in utter fear of people having sex. These people could care less about The Porn Worker, or else why would they further financially burden every other worker in LA County with the massive bill that this will rack up? Give me a fucking break.
Now you see why myself and others are so thoroughly dismissive of fools like li’l g and his ilk in the AHF. Because they don’t really care about health issues, or the people involved, or else they’d come up with a plan that was actually viable, workable, and involved real collaboration with the industry that they’re so passionate – seemingly – to protect from disease and infection.
The biggest and most dangerous disease here is stupidity, and from that no condom can protect us.
“They live in utter fear of people having sex”….You need to take your medication Axis. You do make some good points, but credibility gets lost with the chilish name calling and stupid assumptions. Now please, go fuck yourself again.
Another funny thing, so many bash Sharon Mitchell and calls her a lying, ass covering dummy, but when she says the infection rate is only 2% a month everybody seems to believe it. Very selective.
What assumptions do you refute, li’l g? And what do you mean by, “childish name calling?” The kind that was actually deleted from your previous post?
But, yes, I do make many good points, and ones which blow your half-baked Inquisition all to hell. I can just picture you in your car, following the poor, embarrassed County Health officials around to make sure they’re doing a proper job. Maybe you’ll be sitting in that lonely living room of yours, your sweaty ear pressed to the police scanner that you surely own, listening for any report of a search warrant being served on a Private Citizen in order to search their Private Residence for illegal cocks. What a dolt.
I, for one, think that Dr. Sharon Mitchell is a saint. You and the AHF should be working with her to institute real health reform in the porn industry. Get your head out of your ass and get your feet on the ground, talker.
Li’l g, I will ride you like a Grand Canyon rental burro, all the way to your ultimate disgrace when your sad little crusade is over and done. Have your liniment ready, li’l buddy!
http://www.shelleylubben.com/articles/AFI_workersafetyandhealth.pdf
This is an actual Helth department report done after the 2004 outbreak. It is on the front page of the pink cross website. (sorry i cant get the link to work directly.)
Read this, and then get back to me.
All of the comparisons you have been asking for third. its all there. Third, take special note of the second or third to last page where they show how 1,8to @% each month correlates to about 20% annually.
If this were a poker game i would say “Read it an weep” Its all there.
Third, also take not of the page that says the porn industry has a 10x higher rate of gonn/chlam as the simlarly aged genreal population.
Also take note on the very last page “current testing limited in scope and EXCLUDES rectal and oral pharyngeal testing” And in case you dont know what this means……AIM only tests urine for gonn/chlam/ in their routine screening. They do nothing for anal and throat gonn/chlam.
On the same page not they mention of emperic treatment….do you know what that means? of course not….it refers to the often used practice by porn performers of taking the gonn/chlam meds BEFORE getting tested to assure a negative result.
“Read it an [sic] weep?” I read this report when it first came out – over four years ago I believe. You’re right up to date with your statistics, li’l g. Try to catch up with the rest of the class. Things have changed a bit in the medical world since then, “perfessor.” And yes, we know al-l-l the terminology. Now, go take Shelly Lubben by the hand, and you both skip on down and get your rectal exam. You just tickle me PINK!
Giddyup!
Third, you read this report 4 years ago eh? How does a report from four years ago contain information about gonn/chlam rates for the year 2008? Just a simple math question.
In a n earlier post you said that you “GUARENTEE” that the rate of infection in porn is lower than the comparible gnereal public. With all the comparisons you asked for, and then some, it appears the rate in porn in 10 times higher.
Four years ago, now youre just flat out not being honest. this report was published May21,2008. Lying does not do your case any good.
http://bixbyprogram.ph.ucla.edu/lecture_series.html
The top report listed…May 21,2008 read it and weep
BTW, I double-checked this recent report and it’s an update on an earlier report – stating the same 2004 stats – from LACDPH that I was referring to. Same old same old. You and Shelly place far to much credence in government stats, li’l g. I’ll bet you trust these county employees and officials with your very life. I don’t, never have, and never will. See, that’s why I remain an independent thinker, unlike you and Shelly and the creeps of AHF. You wave your little studies and believe, erroneously, that they alone justify your moneysuck Inquisition.
Let me ask you, where is the major hew and cry from the porn industry itself, and its thousands of workers – were talking only of LA County here – for some type of regulation to protect their disease-ridden asses. Apart from a mere handful of disgruntled folks who have unrelated gripes with particular directors/production companies, and the very few like Patient X that have laughably illegitimate claims, where are all of these workers who are crying out for help? In every other industry you cite, from construction to agriculture to mining (and really reaching for comparisons, I’ll add), there has been a major rallying cry from The Workers for change. However, I hear no such sound from workers in the porn industry. All I hear is the squawking of people who have absolutely to stake in the issue at all. None; other than a psychologically sick obsession to control the lives of others. Just like Shelly and her Christianity. Just like you and your twisted trolling of adult sites to find a boogieman, while you perv in private. You are the most pathetic kind of human being – one who lives in shame, fear, and anger, and must by all means project it on those around you. Sleep thee well in that dark night, li’l g.
First you say “show me any comparable stats” Then when you get show=n the stats from the one and only p;ace that would have those stats you dismiss tham as unreleable because they are from the government.
1. Where else would you suggest I get the stats from?
2> If the government stats are so unreliable, why should anyone believe that the stats put out by the porn industry are so reliable?
And your colonel like tactics’you live in fear..sick obsession, while you perv in private”. You know, as does everyone who reads this that you just make that shit up. It does you r argument no good.
You ask for the comparison and then when you get it you act like the little child who covers his eyes and says “if I cant see you then you cant see me.”
Here is a simple question…..Why should anyone believe the stats that the porn industry puts out?
And what about that no anal and no throat screening for gonn/chlam…..could there be a reason why AIM doesnt do these tests monthly, or would it ruin that 1.8% per month.
All the anal and oral sex in this industry and they do NOT do anal swabs or throat swabs, just urine. That is a fucking JOKE and you know it third. There is no way to believe the industry stats when they dont even do anal or throat swabs.
If you are as concerned for the health of these workers as you say then how can you possibly justify not doing anal and throat swabs? The urine test will not show an anal or throat infection. How do you justify this Third?
While were on the subject of reports and studies, where are the other, comparable reports and studies, those done by non-regulatory favorable entities? Universities? They have research funding that anybody with half a wit can trace to Big Pharma or any number of private foundations with religious and other agendas. Where are the truly independent studies coming from? Nowhere, because they can’t get the same access or funding. Yes, money has a very loud voice in America, GUARANTEED.
You don’t pass laws based on limited study, unless you’re only trying to control for the sake of controlling, and with no intention of really helping. Sound familiar? You are all so altruistic in your work, you hacks.
p.s. AIM did not start doing MONTHLY gonn/chlam testing until July of 2003, and that was in response to a health department mandate. If it wasnt for the health department the adult industry would not even test for gonn/chlam.
And with all the money the porn industry has why do they need a Non-profit clinic to do their testing?
Multi billion dollar industry relies on a CHARITY to provide for its workers. (lol)
Honestly, I’m not concerned with every single infection a porn worker – or any worker – gets, particularly when these can be easily treated. It goes with the territory, just like a food worker picking up a staph infection. I’m far more concerned that these same workers can’t get affordable healthcare, in part because idiots like you want to piss their tax dollars away on possibly-soon-to-fail regulation schemes.
Why not spend some time pushing prison reform, keeping weapons out of our schools, sheltering the homeless, giving a hand to unwed mothers? All of the people need your time and help. But you, li’l g, are so obsessed with porn dick, pussies, and assholes, that all of those other truly needy causes can find their own solutions. Yes, it is personal between you and me, because you’re a hipocrate and a coward that hides behind your own self-inflated, arrogant persona. I don’t have to justify anything to you, you buffoon.
Its true you dont have to justify anything, the fact is you cannot justify a mutli billion dolar industry that needs a charity organization to provide for its workers.
If ‘porn” cares so much about its workers, why did the health department have to issue a mandate to FORCE the monthly testing of gonn/chlam.
And for the record, you have no clue about any of the REAL charities i am involved with(and i am in no way associated with AHF)
Multi billion dollar industry needs a CHARITY to do its testing. That right there shows how “concerned” the industry is with its own workers. ANd then alot of the industry BLAMES the charity when shit hits the fan.(lol)
Third, why does this industry need a CHARITY to do what amount to the absolute barest and minimal health screening?
….”Easily treated…” How do you treat anal and throat gonn/chlam when the industry doesnt even test for it?(lol)
They present symptoms, go to the doctor for examination and treatment, and get a script for medication if needed. That’s how they get treated. Stupid question.
Charity? Ridiculous, and the porn industry should be pumping millions into worker healthcare. Never said that they shouldn’t. That’s what separates you and I, the fact that I work in this industry and have a vested interest in its health and well-being. I want to see it change for the better and evolve, and continue to provide incomes for hundreds of thousands – millions worldwide – of dedicated and hard-working men and women. People with families, mortgages, elderly relatives whom they care for. Porn is a business and an industry similar to – but surely not like – any other. You would like to see it brought to its knees.
Every time I’m compelled to respond to you, I question just what your motivation is. What brought you to this, and why do you direct so much attention and energy to it? I don’t expect you to give an answer, because I’m sure it’s some deeply suppressed issue that only you and your therapist can fathom. If you don’t have a therapist, you outta get one, stat.
And here’s the best one of all Third….Do you know where the 1.8% postive every month comes from? It comes from testimony given by Sharon mitchell to a california state assembly subcommittee. She was asked ..How many tests do you do on performers per month? She responded “3000, with a positive rate of 1.8%”. Actually sounds pretty low doesnt it. BUT then you find out that they do 3 tests each on 1000 perfomers.(very clever answer from Ms. Mitchell). So the actual percentage of “performers” who test positive each month is 5.4%. 5% this month 5% nexst month,another 5% the month after that.
Again, your weak and feeble attempt to cast me as somehow mentally dilusional do NOTHING to bolster your arguments. They are quite childish as a matter of fact.
And while your statements that you wish for things to evolve and get better seen=m truely altruistic, the fact is the industry does NOTHING for its workers until it is forced to do so, just like the simplest gonn/chlam testing. Do you honestly think the industry will adopt any stricter and better healthcare for its workers unless complelled to do so by outside forces. The history of this industry speaks for itself.
Do you think there will be any change without pressure from outside the industry?
Huh… before, it was 2% (which morphed into 24%) Now you’re rounding down. That’s a good sign. Chafing under that saddle blanket yet?
page 74 of the county report(which you claim to have read)….”CT and GC prevelence of 1.8% among performers has been reported by a major performer testing center.In reality, this translates to to an annual prevelence of about 20%.” Its right there in the report you read. The page it is on in the report is entitled “STI’s screening in adult film industry:Falsely Reassuring”
Do the math third if 1.8% translates to 20% annually, what does 5.4% monthly translte to? That is 60% of all performers anually get gonnor, chlam or both. And that 60% doesnt include any other std(herpes, fecal throat infections,pid,bacterial vaginosis, herpes) No stats available for these because ther is no testing for these.(i wonder why)
2847 infections among 1884 performers.(70% female)
454 (24%) werer reinfected
Of those reinfected 70 had at least 4 infections each.
Your claim that these are easily treatable and of little medical consequence is utter baloney. The constant exposre, and multiple infections can and do lead to serious health problems, but AIM does not treat any of these serious problems. They get referred ussually to county clinics, and who picks up the tab for that third, you guessed it, the taxpayers in los angeles.
A drop in the bucket compared to annually financing an entire new bureaucracy within the County bureaucracy: Salaries/costs for various administrators, inspectors, clerical, motor pool, training, etc. Legal costs for associated lawsuits (inevitable). You’re looking at millions of dollars annually, compared to the costs of a couple thousand (conservatively) trips to County Health clinics for infected pornies (receiving treatment for those multiple infections in one swoop). Even you can do that theoretical math, general Sesame Street.
I say, let’s let LA County’s taxpayers decide. Present the complete budget for this Dept. of Condom Compliance. Then put the measure on a ballot and see how THOSE numbers tally. Oh, right, you don’t want anybody deciding this but you and your fellow report-wavers.
Where do you get this ridculous idea that there would need to be an entire new bureaucracy created? It already exists, they just need to do their job. No need for new legislation, the rules already exist. If OSHA can oversee thousands of construciont companies, and tens of thousands of other employers, what makes you think they cant watch over 200 centrally located porn companies?
ANd the pornies are already costing the taxpayers tens of thousand a year by going to the county clinics when they get illnesses that AIM is not equipped to handle. Who do you think pays for that emergency room visis when Buffy Blowme gets her ass ripped and needs it stiched back together. Certainly not ‘the industry’ or the ’employer’.
WHy should porn get a free ride in the resposibility for the health and safety of their employees?
And please dont say they are indepenent contractors, because they are not. And that has already been decided by the Supreme Court of the State of California, period, end of converstion regarding that issue.
—-If OSHA can oversee thousands of construciont companies, and tens of thousands of other employers, what makes you think they cant watch over 200 centrally located porn companies?
Probably because they already don’t oversee thousands of construction companies and tens of thousands of other employees because that’s asking too much as it is;) How can you possibly compare monitoring a private tract house in Chatsworth the equivalent of monitoring a mining operation or a construction site? If the nextdoor neighbors don’t even know what’s going on, how is OSHA going to reasonably cover this? It ain’t gonna happen.
Prez, our l’il g here doesn’t care HOW it happens – or how much it’ll cost – he and the AHF only care WHY it (might) happen. They hate the porn industry, fear it, and are beside themselves with the prospect of eradicating it completely, by ANY means necessary. Health was never the issue, no matter how many stats and studies they blow out their asses. It’s about control, and it’s about their Final Solution.
Heil, li’l g!
Third and Prez,
If this is so ridulous then why is AIM spending talent ‘donations’ on lawyeres to HIDE the identities of not only patient zero, but of production companies as well http://business.avn.com/articles/35912.html
Maybe we should just tell Ms. Mitchell that thridaxis and the Prez says there is nothing to worry about so you can stop spending talent ‘donations’ on lawyers to protect the producers and directors.
Or better yet, why doesnt the involved production company just stand up and identify itself instead of hiding behind lawyers paid for by talent donations to AIM? Or why doesnt someobdy just drop a dime on those devilish bastards(lol), that way AIM wont have to spend any “moore” patient donations on lawyers to protect them.
Now, as yu two can clearly see, if I wanted to be the prick that you say I am, I could have done this already.
You are scaring me, li’l g. Your whistle-blowing is almost exceeding your ass-blowing.
Take your dime and use it in a pay phone to call your therapist, little fella.
Axis, doe your company have an OSHA approved I&IPP plan in place? Do you even know what that is?
I welcome Cal-OSHA to drop by any time and check for proper use of hard hats, eye protection, guards in place on all bladed cutting equipment, and soap in all bathroom dispensers.
Li’l g, please do yourself a favor and immediately submit an employment application to Cal-OSHA, or the LA County Dept. of Public Health, or both. Make a real difference!
I am already retired from one of the above entities. Getting a state(that is a taxpayer funded pension). Actually, you are now paying me to spend six months a year fishing.
And I will take that as a NO to the above question.
p.s. months ago on this board I printed my full name and the city where I live. I got chastised for it, but it is still up there.
DO you have the balls to do the same thing Third. I doubt it.
I worked in the construction trades for over twenty years, in Alaska in the ’70s (AK Pipeline), Wyoming, Colorado, and CA. Yes, I know what an Illness and Injury Prevention Program is, thanks.
I’m glad that you’ve posted your name here. Who cares? I have no need to post mine. Glad that early retirement is working out for you.
I’m gonna guess that you’re an ex-Cal-OSHA drone. It figures.
Conditioned to taking orders, that is.
You would be wrong on that guess, it figures.
If OSHA comes and regulates porn it’s gonna be quite a proud accomplishment, since they can’t regulate anything else. They’ll be even more of a laughing stock than they are now.
(Please stop moderating me Cindi. I told you’d I’ll behave. I’m dealing with you know who through the court systems at this point so I’m done here – until verdicts come out then I’ll let you know.)
Well, li’l g, you said “one of the above entities” (LA County Health and Cal-OSHA), and “state pension,” so that would indicate Cal-OSHA. Add that to your gloating over Cal-OSHA’s recent “raid” on a gay porn set, your penchant for whistle-blowing, and I read that you’re a bored, retired state worker with too much time on his hands and an unrequited longing to be back there, clipboard in hand, nose to the ground, sniffing for offenses to cite. I’d stake your fat-ass state pension on it, you lackey.
Maintaining radio silence, li’l g?
“Cal-OSHA pensioner found trolling and posting on porn web sites, promoting state policies and raids on gay porn sets.” You could be the star of your very own post headline (with your actual name included)! Then you could get all of the attention you so apparently crave.