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March 7, 2010, 6:43 PM
Derek Hay Writes Me with an Open Letter to Jeff Mullen
NL- I have seen and read the e-mails that Derek talks about below.
Star Wars – An Agent writes back Part 2, – The Sequel – (Not The Press ReleaseXXX)
Op/Ed by Derek Hay
Wow – Mr Mullen – you have drawn me out into public territory – that almost never happens and I am well aware that I am fighting on your battlefield. Sometimes one has to fight for what is right in the court of public opinion – once in ten years may be too much for me – but there you go – you have succeeded.
May I say I feel alone and naked – like David against Goliath but I shall arm my slingshot and you best cover your eyes.
Where does one begin, – well let’s start at the beginning and simply respond to each of Mr Mullen’s charges,
Firstly – it was his Blogging on a well known gossip industry site that caught my attention and that I considered both unjust and most self serving. He had asked me if he could cast one of our better known actresses in a role in Not Charlie’s Angels for which she was available and for which he was quoted a standard rate for this actress almost identical to that for which she had appeared for Hustler on a 3 day feature – I Dream of Jeanie just a week before. Mr Mullen rejected this rate, declined to hire the actress and went on to publicly criticize myself and my agency for not agreeing to low ball her down to the price point he wanted. He continues to do so and ponders whether I even offered her the role. It is none of his business. I am her registered licensed agent and she hires me to act on her behalf with her trust in my professionalism and experience to decide and negotiate in her best interest for her career advancement.
How pompous and inflated of Mr Mullen to assume in early March that his movie is destined already to be the movie of the year? What I wonder does Wicked, Digital, et al, think of that? How ironic also, that this very same actress in question is now in Miami in a first time production for a large TV studio – (discretion prevents me saying more as I am not sure how much they wish to be publicly known,) – for which she is earning a significant modeling / acting fee. One that would cause Mr Mullen’s finest press release pen to disgorge great blobs of ink all over his copy paper, if he were to learn it’s actual figure. Though now I fear this causes me to digress too far.
Nonetheless, there is not a doubt in my mind that – this actress fully supports my decision to place her there, and not with Mr Mullen’s movie. Again, career advancement.
None of these issues relate to the general economic turndown with which our industry has been affected alongside every other. That is a red herring tossed out by Mr Mullen to confuse the issue. Modeling rates have been affected by this turndown in our industry – but what we are discussing here is not the hiring of actresses that may carry significantly higher rates above the norm but those that are reasonably standard. Mr Mullen’s budgets do not allow even for these. – oh no – they are always as previously stated 10% – 20% below this.
And as previously stated this has always been the case. From their first beginnings through all their success (and awards) almost never has a budget come out of that studio that allows the actresses to be paid their normal going rate. He even has the audacity to cite two of LADirect Models brightest stars as thankful to have appeared in his movies. Hum bug.
He hires Kagney Linn Karter when she was the girl of the moment – the new girl of the year already, and believe me we had to work hard to get an agreeable rate for her for that, and Tori Black the same. Whist every other studio recognizes these two outstanding models for the quality they bring, Mr Mullen believes they should be thanking him for casting them, and that he was responsible for their awards at the end of the year. Good god man, – how delusional can you be? They are two of the most deserving, hard working and popular models in the business today and that’s why you wanted them, and that’s why they won awards not because you put Kagney in one movie. She gave you the star power that you needed to help make the title a success. Not the other way round.
And here’s the sting in the tail of that scenario – folks – here’s the dirty little secret behind all of this. You hire Kagney Linn Karter, or Tori Black, or Teagan Presley or Eva Angelina to be the star of your movie and you pay them their rate – or close to their rate anyway – it’s still a toughly negotiated deal, and then you impress upon the younger newer starlets that you have these bigger name girls in the movie and use that as the ammunition to convince them, “ well if these stars are in the movie, then it’s good for you and you should be too and you’ll be missing out if you don’t etc etc. “ – so work for us for less.
And let’s look at something else while we’re at it. I was fortunate to be in a movie that won lots of awards, both for the movie itself and for several of its individual performances, in fact I was fortunate to win an award myself, but I shall not trumpet that, – it starred Jesse Jane, Belladonna, Jenna Haze, Katsuni, Riley Steel, and many others, – it was called Pirates 2 and it was made by Digital Playground. And I can tell you something about that movie, – to the best of my knowledge, not a single actress / actor was beaten down on their talent rate despite the incredible cost of that movie. And that movie had a record breaking amount of publicity and won a slew of awards, and it was fully expected that it would, but do you think it ever crossed the minds of those producers to suggest to their cast that they might work for less than was reasonable for the roles asked of them, because of either of those things - well – I can tell you they did not.
No doubt there are many more examples, but I can state that Mr Mullen is alone in this industry in his belief that posting the names of his cast in a barrage of press releases warrants a reduction in the talent fee from them.
Finally on this particular item – let us review Mr Mullen’s own words, - “Sometimes it is not always about making the most money each day. Ask anybody standing on that stage when Flight Attendants won the Best Comedy award in Las Vegas if they would trade that experience for $300 or even $500? Or anybody from Not the Cosbys XXX to trade that moment for a few hundred bucks. .. Ask Derek if that has any value? “
Well – as we know X-Play has enjoyed considerable success over the years and I do not discount nor discredit the hard work and dedication that has achieved that – but to say it’s not always about making the most money each day, should better read – its never about making the most money any day.” Because never – despite all the success and the expensive sets and the awards, have they ever decided to pay talent simply the going rate for whomever they may choose to cast. Never. Without fail no matter the level of star it is always less than the agent or the model values herself and most definitely less than is the norm from other studios.
Here are a few other items for readers to consider, in no particular order>
1. Jeff Mullen did recently bring a model to LADirect for which I am grateful and for which I informed him that I wished to pay him the standard $500 referral fee. He had already at that time posted the Blog criticizing me for failing to provide him the actress at $300—below her regular rate – so I wrote to him and reassured him that I would be sending him that fee, despite this – but that perhaps he might be inclined to spend $300 of his $500, on this actress so that she could appear in his movie. Mr Mullen accepted the $500 but declined the offer to part with the $300 for the actress in question. : ( E –mail attached for verification of veracity.)
2. During his piece Mr Mullen mentions the name of one of LADirect’s biggest stars – I shall not mention her name, (though she read my response to his Blog and agreed with every word of it,) for I don’t know if she would thank me for identifying her here. Nonetheless, a while back, this big star took some time out and had a child and her return to the industry was much anticipated. Just prior to her readiness to begin work again – Mr Mullen proposed an offer to her that he would handle her press at a fee of $4,000 per month and that rather than actually pay him this princely sum she could work it off by shooting free scenes for him.
$4,000 dollars per month! – when the norm for press officers is between $750 and $1,000 per month. Thus, we are led to believe that Mr Mullen is the Messiah of the press releases and worth his weight in gold in that regard and you should absolutely pay him a colossal fee for that – should you choose to hire him – but none of the female film actresses that actually make these movies worth buying and attractive to the consumer, are worth the same.
3. Direct Models was asked and we sent I think at least ten models to cast for Not Charlie’s Angelsxxx. In fact so dedicated was our effort in not only sending models but sending models who were really castable in these fairly specific roles that both Jeff and Scott thanked us for our effort. Some other agencies had sent models with English accents and other unsuitable talent – (obviously the Angels are American) and they appreciated our effort. However, how many models do you think they actually cast from Direct – that is correct, none. Well one – but again – she was offered $300 less and we declined as well known documented by now,
I think Bree Olsen was already cast before casting began to be honest and since this is an Adam and Eve movie that is most understandable and she’s a phenomenal talent.
4 . Initially Mr Mullen wrote a derisory Blog about me and my agency for falling to agree to hire to him a very well recognized actress for less than her usual rate – to which I replied and posted that reply on LADirect News. Then he had the affront to offer one of our actresses $500 for a B/G scene causing me to send out that same reply through our talent E-mail data base. And he is upset about that? Mr Mullen would now like to tell me what and when I can communicate with our own talent? Holy Smokes, there are some rules in adult I was not aware of. I am not supposed to keep informed our own talent about matters that acutely affect their daily working lives. I think not Mr Mullen – I shall communicate with them when and wherever I please.
And let’s move on to this offer of $500 for a B/G scene, that was the catalyst for me to send this out to our talent in a sort of, enough is enough – this has to stop, reaction.
Now the whistle is blown on this derisory offer – Mr Mullen would have us believe the following:
Under no circumstances could he afford the additional $300 for the very well recognized and popular ‘star’ that he wished to have in the movie. This, even after I reassured him that despite his nasty Blog he would still be receiving from us his $500 referral fee for the model he recently brought to us.
But out of the kindness of his heart for this cute little blond who he holds in great affection, like some sort of Florence Nightingale – he created a special slot for her, adding a girl to a B/G scene to make it B/G/G and for that he can afford to pay her $500.
Amazing – yes indeed reader s- amazing, because it is complete and utter BS.
The girl in question – was beside herself insulted that she had been offered $500. Her usual rate is twice that, which is fairly standard. How do you think it feels to be offered half your rate?
5. At the fear of boring you dear readers – because posts such as this from me – are rare indeed, I shall mention just a few more items.
We have a junior agent here who has been helping us out recently because one of our senior agents has suffered some ill health and mistakenly he booked one of our well known male stars to Jeff for NotCharlies AngelsXXX for $100 less than his usual rate. When first I saw it, I thought he had been persuaded by Jeff to do this – but upon investigation discovered this was not the case and it was a simple mistake on the junior agent’s part. Of course after reflecting on the irony of this occurring under the present circumstances, I communicated to Jeff that we would honor the lower rate as it was our error, – and Jeff wished to book the same actor for a second day on the movie which we booked at his usual rate. Thus we begin to see how truly insignificant it is – this $300 that he refused to pay the star – he first wished to cast in the movie. He has already made back $100 by our error as well as $500 for his model referral yet cannot afford the $300 for the ‘star’.
6. Let me tell you how this whole system works typically – Jeff and Scott call up and say we’re doing this parody that parody whatever it might be and can you send these actresses to cast.
And so we do, and what happens is the ones that they really like, they sit them down and regale them with tales of press releases and awards, and standing on the stage with them and parties, and so on, and how marketing is so important etc etc and convince the young adult film star that she should work for them for less than she normally does. Then they phone us and say – we’d like to book this model and we already spoke to her and she has agreed that instead of $X amount of dollars that everyone else pays her, she will work for us for $Y amount of dollars which is less, and sometimes significantly less.
And we will say no.
And they will reply – well she really wants to do it and it should be up to her and not you – you’re only her agent and we have already convinced her that she should, because she loves our marketing and parties and – etc etc, etc –
So now – we won’t send models to cast at their office because we know that they will do this – we will only have them meet models at our office or if we send an agent to go with them, because negotiating rates is the agents job, that is the whole reason that actresses employ an agent in the first place just as we employ doctors to make us healthy and attorneys to take care of our legal problems.
Here’s the bottom line:
LADIrect Models is a shop – just like any other shop, and what we sell is actors and actresses specialized in the field of acting in the adult entertainment industry. Jeff and Scott want to purchase at our shop but they don’t like our prices. So they do everything they can to get our products for less, using a these unscrupulous methods to do so.
I buy a cup of tea every morning at StarBucks on my way to work. Recently they raised the price of my cup of tea from $1.65 to $1.95. Why? Did the price of hot water suddenly go up? No. Crrazy right? But if I don’t want to pay $1.95 I can go to 7 – 11 where the tea is much cheaper. It’s up to me. But you know what I don’t do? I don’t stand in StarBucks and argue with them about the price of their tea, I don’t berate them about why they should sell me tea for less. I either buy from them or I can choose not to. Why should it be any different in the adult business? Why is it the agents fault or the models fault that the rates that the models want for their work is higher than X – Play wishes to pay? It isn’t of course – and therein lies why there is a serious issue with X-Play.
There are now twelve licensed talent agents in Los Angeles, that’s right twelve (12). So if Jeff and Scott don’t like the prices that the talent at LADirect command, then they can go and shop elsewhere. But you know what – they want the talent at LADirect because it is good solid professional talent and names that will sell movies, and that’s why they want them,. Well then pay the actresses what they are worth – no one’s asking for any more than their normal scene rates, we haven’t even asked for more for your incredible long days, just pay our talent what is fair in the market place.
And i would imagine that every actress whether LADirect or not in an X-Play movie is now asking herself – am I getting my normal rate for this movie or not – or was I persuaded to work for less because of ‘press releases’? And every other actress is looking around the cast wondering who’s working for scale and who’s working for cheap?
In conclusion – let me also say that I respect Jeff and Scott a great deal for their dedication to their craft and their success, – I think Jeff may now regret that he posted that nasty little blog as this has blown bigger than he could ever have imagined.
But if talent is now more aware of how hard agents work and why we do and say the things we do, which is all for their best interest, then something good may have come of this,
We cannot be models – they cannot be agents, together we work best in cohesion for their careers.
This will be my last public post on this subject – I hope you enjoyed it – come back in ten years for my next one,
Peace Jeff – I hope you make a great movie.
Regards – Derek Hay – Owner – LADirect Models.
(NL- Jeff if you wish to respond please send me an email and I will post it.)
As a producer/director of films that make no claim to be “blockbusters-in-the-making” but who nonetheless pays models their standard rate, I don’t understand Mr. Mullen’s argument. To assert that models should work for your studio at a rate below what they charge other producers is not only bad manners but bad form. We’re all affected by the recession, Mr. Mullen — not just you and your studio — but that doesn’t give you the right to expect people to work for less than what they feel they deserve, and indeed can earn elsewhere.
Instead of griping about what you can’t afford and expecting others to accommodate your budget limitations, perhaps you should hold an open casting call looking for new talent to fill the roles in your movie. Unknowns may be more flexible about pay rates, and since you feel that the movie itself is what will sell, not the talent who performs in it, ANY face on the boxcover should do the trick!
Or, in the alternative, perhaps you should approach models who have not hired a powerful, savvy agent to protect their interests and weed out those who might try to make them work for less than they rightfully command.
As a former performer, I find it distasteful that any producer should try to convince talent to work at a reduced rate. Performing is demanding work, and it takes quite a bit of it these days to stand out from the crowd. The girls (and guys) who have attained star status deserve to get their rate, and not be nickle-and-dimed.
With all due respect Mr. Mullen, I’m not sure you should have taken this one public. But the very best of luck with your movie, and with finding the right cast.
Nica Noelle
March 7th, 2010 at 8:34 pIs something going on at X-Play to make Jeff act like this?
March 7th, 2010 at 9:32 pTara, also, did Jeff Mullen hinted he might be quitting porn recently?
Something must going on?
March 7th, 2010 at 10:14 pBTW, did anyone noticed Sandra Bullock Oscar speech about mothers accepting their stepchildren no matter were they come from, while her husband looked approvingly?
I saw that as a Janine reference too. Not only to her movie.
March 7th, 2010 at 10:34 pSomebody just called me and told me about this recent post as I am working on finishing Not Married with Children XXX 2 in the edit bay so I checked it out. No, I am actually glad that I posted our story from our point of view no matter how much it gets a tad bit distorted or even if people think I have lost my mind. I haven’t. I stand by my conviction that X-Play will pay only what we know fits our budget and our movies will continue to get made and be of the best quality possible. There is nothing else going on in between the lines and I have no other agenda and am very excited about our Not Charlie’s Angels XXX movie which begins shooting on the 18th.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:43 pHoly crock o’ shit. Where have you people been?! For the past year, rates have been plunging faster than a stockbroker out a Wall Street window on Black Friday. Everybody is open to “negotiation,” from A-listers to escorts. Like this is big news. The vitriol here is so deep, you need chest waders to keep your ass from swampin’.
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March 8th, 2010 at 4:07 pI’m with Third Axis on this one. Rates have NEVER been set in stone and people have long made concessions to either work with specific performers or on specific projects. Given how many performers are getting far less work these days, well except maybe their escorting jobs that agents so willingly provide at reduced rates, a little negotiation is almost expected when it comes to “high profile” people that are largely shot out (having been in dozens and dozens of productions with the same mopes).
I certainly don’t begrudge Derek for holding out for the rate HE sets for his people any more than I fuss at Mike Quasar for taking a steady check rather than setting out on his own, but a lot of industry people seem to disagree with the sentiments expressed here given the way they do just about anything (or anyone) to get in some of those high profile Sitcums.
March 8th, 2010 at 8:15 prayder help yourself and close you mouth …more you talk shit, more u r getting fucked
March 8th, 2010 at 8:16 pHarvey, it is likely he is planning an exit strategy from the industry as sales keep declining. He is not an employee that will keep sucking at the company teat until it closes its production doors, nor does he have the guaranteed income of pimping a large stable of escorts to fans across the globe so when sales get to the point where he can’t make enough profit to stay, I suspect he will land on his feet better than most.
March 8th, 2010 at 8:24 pThird Axis and Houstondon are correct. I find Jeff Mullen amusing. His work maybe epic by xxx standards. I find his work just ok. News flash guys and girls. It is not going to get better. As the revenue pool has been thinned out by every wanna be hack that can hit the on button on a digital camera and call them selves a director or producer. I saw this coming around 1999 when the three chip cameras came out. Just like manufactures and distributors have seen the decline and devaluation of product. Now the talent gets to share in that loss of value from over saturation. To bad distributors forgot how to say no. But then again you wouldn’t have such crafted camera work and production values of a bang bus or even brazzers, you know the dot com guys that call “content” a movie… What a joke!
March 8th, 2010 at 9:50 pjesus what a couple of clowns. You are paying whores to take loads in the face, not trying to get Meryl Streep attached to a project…
March 8th, 2010 at 12:18 pIf will Ryder needs to save money he can promise to pay the girl’s rate have them fill out a w-9 and charge them taxes as if they filled out a w-4 and pocket the difference. At the end of the year you send the dumb bitch a 1099 and she never knows what it hit her. No agent has the man power to check up on this as long as they get their fee. The best part is it is totally legit.
***I guess Lukeisback is too afraid to post the Industry Dirtiest Little secret and a scam pulled countless directors in the Industry. Oh well, LA Times is not..
March 8th, 2010 at 12:24 pFirst of all lets stop the high emotion and look at this rationally. X-play is looking to make a movie and negotiate a rate, and they believe marketing has a significant value. Personally i certainly agree with that. In contrast to waht Derek said lawyers are under a strict rule of ethics and are obligated to tell there client of any offers such as in a civil case or a criminal case. For example derrick is taking an unscrupolus view and treating his models like they are so ignorant that they can’t make a decision. Derek when these models are sitting home earning nothing don’t you think they have a choice?? When a lawyer receives an offer from an insurance company for his/her client involved in a personal injury case, the unscrupolous lawyer will not relay that information if they feel there fee is too little, and it might be a low offer but the client has the right to know. Any model on this board has a right to know. Derrick is an agent which takes no education at all. Basically any salesman can be an agent. Watch entourage and see how the agent relays every offer to the client.
March 8th, 2010 at 7:59 pAnother thing derrick has aqll these girls that are with his agency that are escorting, and if you read there reviews on erotic review, shows the escorting is actually prostitution. He has one in particular an audrey bitoni who is listed on every site going state to state. How well can these as Derek states star be doing if they have to sell there bodies and souls at such a young age providing sex to total strangers that show up at a hotel. Also derrick check your website out audrey bitoni has been with you longer than your site states.
In addition derek has i believe digged himself into a hole here. I believe he will be drawing much more attention than he wishes. Good luck Mate
Wow, Derek, that was a well written little piece. As was Jeff’s. I think this whole thing is really hilarious and more than likely a publicity stunt, for which Mr. Mullen is well known for–that’s why he is the King of Spin. As a publicist, my hat goes off to him for his exploits and over-the-top press releases that are highly entertaining.
But, I also know rates are plunging and talent agencies are still charging the same percentages and 2 or 3 of them are still making a killing. The better known girls might be getting less roles and making good rates, while the lesser known ones are really getting screwed (practically no work at sunstantially lower rates, especially BBWs). Hopefully, the economy and people’s spending habits will change, so the rates will go back up, along with DVD sales. The industry definitely needs a shot in the arm.
March 9th, 2010 at 12:17 pagain while derek gets income from other business ventures more than likely the girls are reliant on there scene fee’s. not only do they get the immediate financial benefit but they receive the exposure to build a career. Right now that is important, b/c of the limited roles, and our british friend as by his own admission is a good agent needs to start thinking of the girls interest. All is girls are replaceable as his he.
March 9th, 2010 at 3:11 pAgain i ask him why some of his big name talent are escorting so much rather than working scenes. It also brings to mind not only escorting but some others like demi delia, etc were actually booking the girls for escort gigs, and as derek proclaims that is his good friend. But please derek stays far away from the escorting.
please excuse me for my prior grammatical mistakes. I believe this is an important topic beyond the issue that Derrick is making a big deal of. I am not in the industry but find it very fascinating from an economic and psychological perspective.
March 9th, 2010 at 11:18 pThe serious part is that in my opinion is that the female talent is being controlled too much by an agent such as Derek. It is quite transparent that any talent that Derek puts forward is not credible b/c they are in fear of his wrath. The good news as Derek states in his piece is that there are 12 licensed agents now. Therefore hopefully the Talent have better options in a more caring environment where they are treated like adults not mentally incompetent. That is how derrick treats them as by his own admission he communicates what he wants to them.
The talent needs to wake up and stop allowing this agent to own their domain names. One girl who did not do this was audrey bitoni she owns it herself the others don’t and that is plain disgraceful to the talent. But again derek is looking out for your best interest.
Also i am dying to hear what Derek’s relationship is with adonia from TLC, and how she is able to offer to bring a customer to his home(I will tell more on another post)to meet female talent to escort. Why would you need to go to one of his houses for that if they are an escort???
“Hopefully, the economy and people’s spending habits will change, so the rates will go back up, along with DVD sales.” This is just not going to happen. You can hope all you want. It is over for DVD sales. The business model for what used to be “adult video” stores has now changed to “Adult Boutique.” I will translate this for you fan boys and outsiders that don’t do this for a living. Sales in Brick and mortar stores are primarily lingerie and novelties now. You know vibes, dildos and lube. See you can’t down load those or file share them. The PORN DVD has moved to be an ancillary product now. I know of several big chains and smaller independent retailers the are phasing dvd’s out. This also helps the retailer with zoning laws. I will simplify this for the slow ones here. NO PORN means your store can open any where. Not just areas zoned for smut. See the people who own the retail outlets are business people they don’t care what the widget is, as long as it is legal and they can make money in the long run. For those of you on an emotional save the “porn star” crusade this might hurt your little feelings. But your free to invest your own money and put it where your mouth is and open a store or be a distributor.
March 9th, 2010 at 12:12 pIn Derek’s defense: opening up a talent agency requires more than just cobbling together a website and making phone calls. In California, a licensed talent agent, such as L.A. Direct, is required to have its agent-talent contract approved by the state. In addition, the talent agent is required to post a $50,000 bond to insure the talent gets paid in the event that the talent agent commits “malpractice.”
If you check out California Labor Code Section 1701 et seq.,
you will see that licensed talent agencies are heavily regulated by the state.
I believe that many of those criticizing Derek are just jealous of how much success he has achieved.
March 9th, 2010 at 3:00 pThe argument by Mr. Mulen that appearing in his big budget, award winning productions is good for ones carrere is pure baloney. When other companies find out that you worked for less, for a production with a bigger budget than they have, they are not going to pay you more than Mr. Mullen paid .
If the biggest budget, award winning companies only pay 500 for a scene, why sould the lower budget companies pay any more? The exact opposite is true. Working for less will only lead to being offered less in the future.
March 9th, 2010 at 5:31 pTo nice girl it is not about being jealous of derek or not. I am sure people are jealous or envious of Derek Hay. It is Human Nature unfortunately. Again the issue is about the talent being informed so they can make intelligible decisions in conjunction with their agent, manager, etc. Derek clearly is stating that he does not tell his talent all offers being made to them, and i reiterate he treats his talent as if they were morons. The talent needs to be aware of this. Let me also point out that the bond is $10,000 not $50,000. But regardless all 12 talent agencies are ruled under these regulations not just derek’s agency. So your statement adds nothing to bolster Derek’s argument. In fact $10,000 is negligible considering the financial impact this can have on the talent, and as you are aware Derek more than likely not be liable personally. again i repeat myself derrick derives an income from alternate sources such as the talent websites(which is ridiculous wake up talent), he advertises his houses on his website to lease out for shoots.Now keep in mind besides the 10% he takes from the talent he then gets money from the companies as well. The poor talent that is sitting home jobless that did not even know of an offer to make an informed decision whether or not to accept assignment is out of luck, and maybe out of food, and that is why a large percentage of derek’s talent are escorts. Please see pamela peaks, body miracle, websites etc. This is more than goldstars.In addition and believe me now that i am involved derrick’s operation will be looked at under a electron type microscope, and every legal fracture will be reported to the proper authorities. I am giving you a small piece of the puzzle. Look at the misrepresentation of His Porn/escort audrey bitoni he consistenly misrepresents when she signed with his agency. This is a small infraction under california statute.Also when calls up and asks is there a job for me and derrick or one of his agents says sorry talent X no work, and X-play actually made an offer that is an Omission, this is an infraction of the the california code. Also if law enforcement asks the girls has anyone at La direct referred you to an escort agency i eagerly await their response?? It is a lot different when people with badges come a knockin.
March 9th, 2010 at 6:38 pAgain this is the talent’s own good so they are not taken advantage of.
also please look at this post by TLC on erotic review in regards to a person’s question. The person on the board(we can’t tell if it is a male or female, people on said board most often use fictious names) asks if i am in LA for 90 minutes who would i do double with, and TLC recommends the following
Re: I’ll throw you a softball question.
Posted by TLcStarlets , 3/2/2010 11:16:46 AM
Sadie West and Rebecca Blue.
Velicity Von and Isis Taylor.
this sounds like promoting prostitution to me.Let me state this the law will win so watch out. You all have seen nothing yet. Good luck Mate
March 9th, 2010 at 6:57 pJustice:
I don’t know where you’re getting the $10,000 figure from. I got the $50,000 figure from Labor Code Section 1700.15: “A talent agency shall also deposit with the Labor Commissioner, prior to the issuance or renewal of a license, a surety bond in the penal sum of fifty thousand dollars ($50,000).”
I also don’t know where you got the idea that an agent must communicate all offers to talent. Part of the agent-talent relationship, as Derek pointed out, is that the agent is responsible for developing talent’s careers. In developing said careers, knowing which jobs to turn down is just as important as knowing which jobs to accept.
Furthermore, you seem to believe that escorting, in and of itself, is illegal. Unfortunately, that belief is incorrect. What happens between “two competent, consenting adults” after they pay a third-party to introduce them to each other, is between them. (Yes, this argument has proven to be effective.)
I really don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. Are you trying to say Derek intentionally tries to run the careers of talent he represents into the ground? Are you trying to say they are forced to take jobs they don’t want to?
March 9th, 2010 at 9:37 pNice girl, sorry if i am in error as to the figure i need to give it more than a cursory look. Regardless $50,000 is a negligible amount a physician and attorney are required to have malpractice insurance in much higher amounts. But that is neither here nor there. I bring that up only b/c Derek made the analogy of physician and attorney. Your thinking is flawed if you truly believe and lets extricate Derek out of this that an agent has no obligation to forward all offers. Again as i stated before the agent can recommend against it, but to not even tell the talent that is obscene, and should be dealt with under the california labor code, and they not mr. mullen will teach Derek the american legal system. Which is in desperate need of learning. Please show me anywhere in my statements where i alluded to Derek intentionally trying to ruin careers or forcing talent to take jobs. I never expressed that either tacitly or by words. However i believe Derek is looking out more for himself then talent. As stated before derek owns a big proportion of his talents domain names, which they should own. It is just not right. The talent are usually young kids that don’t know much, and in some cases derek even has had intimate relationships with. I know for one with an Audrey bitoni, and this can effect there business decisions.
March 10th, 2010 at 12:48 pAnd you are absolutely wrong in regards to the escorting, paying a third party to introduce someone to another where that third party knows sex will be had, and that is the intention of the customer is called promoting prostitution, and conspiracy, etc. The prosecutors are very good at what they do,and can craft a whole litany of charges that fit. This is the reason many escort agencies have been prosecuted, and will be prosecuted. You can’t convince me otherwise. Just look at a website like pamela peaks where it states prices for full service. What does full service mean. then go look at the TER board and look at reviews and i will point out all the audrey bitoni reviews who seems to be a very active escort and had already worked for bella models in the past, and should know better. These reviews state that when the customer got into to the room business was taking care of first, and then the kissing began. Please don’t give me stupid answers. Being cute is not smart in this environment, law enforcement is really gung ho against this stuff know.
It is believed that derek has violated codes, and his models will need to be interviewed to determine such. I have all the faith in the world in law enforcement especially the FBI who are extremely bright. These young girls need someone to look after their interests, and the best person is the talent themselves. Things are going to change, there is a new sheriff in town so get use to it. I am on this like bee’s on honey now. it caught my eye. Hey Derek again i state to you audrey bitoni has been with your agency prior to march 2008, but you don’t list that.
Also why is Bud Lee offering to tape a scene with a audrey bitoni for $2,000 with a non-actor just a person that is inquiring, and i might add that in california it is illegal to tape a phone conversation, oh yuk. I forgot though if you are in a state that allows taping then bud lee can be taped, and adonia can be taped during a conversation because in this certain state the law says no expectaion of privacy oops sorry derek. After a request to Adonia for Tori Black, “Yes let me contact her agent to try to get a hold of her, she works occasionally under the radar” about twenty minutes later after avn is when the girls need money, and they will be more open” till next time Mate
Audrey Bitoni (LA, Vgs, NYC) TOTAL for both, $1800/hr. TOTAL for both, $1500/hr. TOTAL for both,
full service full service
March 10th, 2010 at 1:12 pPLEASE TAKE NOTICE THIS THIS IS FROM PAMELA PEAKS WEBSITE OF WHICH AUDREY BITONI AN LA DIRECT MODEL IS ADVERTISING THIS WEEK, AND APRIL. PLEASE NICEGIRL AND EVERYONE ELSE OUT THERE WHAT IS MEANT BY FULL SERVICE?????
Justice:
Let me clarify what I’m saying re escorting.
Solicitation of prostitution is illegal.
However, operation of an “introduction agency,” i.e., escort agency, *is* legal. For example, see Los Angeles Municipal Code Section 103.107(a): ” ‘ESCORT BUREAU’ means any business, agency or person who, for a fee, commission, hire, reward or profit, furnishes or offers to furnish names of persons, or who introduces, furnishes or arranges for persons who may accompany other persons to or about social affairs, entertainments or places of amusement, or who may consort with others about any place of public resort or within any private quarters.”
Escort agents get busted for not being licensed and for not paying taxes. Unless the escort agent blatantly advertises that they are selling sex (offering “full service” does not meet that threshold), they are nearly impossible to prosecute.
As for Derek looking out more for himself rather than for his talent, I can agree with that to an extent. However, that conflict of interest is inherent all relationships where trust is put in a “professional.” E.g., do you really think an attorney billing by the hour has an incentive to work as efficiently as possible?
March 10th, 2010 at 10:55 pNice Girl:
March 10th, 2010 at 11:57 pI agree with you a 100% in respect to an attorney, but again a client has the right to be informed on all matters of the case. I strongly believe and urge the talent to demand from derek and likes to keep them informed, and again if they omit any information this is violation.
Thank you for the piece on escorting. However when the escort agency has you meet the pornstar in a hotel room, and frequents the ter boards, they are aware that these so called Hobbyists are looking for sex. Just read the TER boards they are not shy on what they want. The escort agencies are happy to oblige. The federal government is very good at coming up with charges that fit the situation. In my opinion i strongly believe you will see a crack down on these pornstar escorts. Believe me there is enough proof on these pornstars recently. for example in respect to this audrey bitoni once you enter the room, either cash or credit card is given, and then she starts the romance. I know someone that has seen her. Another one a Taryn thomas, has you come to a hotel, and opens the door in a negligee takes the money, and the sex begins. No longer will the autorities put up with this.
I will see justice served. You seem very bright nice girl are you in the business
Hi Justice:
Thank you for the complement. I’m not sure if I could be considered “in the business.” I’m more of an auxiliary part of “the business.”
Oh, and just so there’s no misunderstanding: If I come across as attacking you or your ideas personally, that is not my intention! I just write with passion.
I’ve never heard of a talent agent being held liable for failing to communicate an offer to the talent. I *have* heard of a talent agent being held liable for failing to communicate THE RECEIPT OF MONEY to the talent, however.
Now, if the talent agent LIES to the talent, that’s a whole ‘nother issue.
I’ve appeared before those in charge regarding an application for an escort agency license. They acknowledge that it’s nearly impossible, and a complete waste of resources, to prosecute escorting/prostitution cases. When a client tenders the escort a “donation” for the escort’s time, and the escort coincidentally starts feeling sexually attracted to the client, it’s hard to establish that prostitution was being solicited (that whole “proof beyond a reasonable doubt” thing). It’s even harder to establish that the escort agency was complicit in the transaction, i.e., to prove that the escort agency booked the arrangement for the purpose of prostitution.
Thoughts?
March 10th, 2010 at 5:57 phttp://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/LAB/1/d2/6/4/3/s1700.35
March 10th, 2010 at 6:03 panother flaw in Derek’s argument in respect to talent on an x-play set wandering if they are getting less or more than their cohorts on set. As it is now different talent within LA direct’s stable of talent get different rates. For instance Tori Black was getting $1,200 per scene(keep in mind up to now she does not escort) as opposssed ro audrey bitoni who was always asking $1,500 albeit i don’t think Bitoni is commanding much work nowadays based on that fee that she wants, and younger and girls with unscarred breasts settling for less. The other day heard from someone, and again it is hearsay and would like some input that producers are getting nice looking girls with no name for $300-500 per scene, and i am talking pretty. Now tori black gets $1,500 as a result of her winning awards lately, but that won’t last much longer as producers see they can pay less and sell just as much. In today’s market people don’t go for names much, and i think that is what is irking derek.
March 10th, 2010 at 6:05 pThere are SO many things wrong with this argument, and in these comments, that it’s funny.
Bottom line – escorting/prostitution is ILLEGAL in the US with the exception of (I believe) Carson City, NV.
I don’t care how you want to “tip toe” around the definition of “escorting” or how sophisticated agents want to deem it – as an escort you can easily get arrested and most likely your agent won’t help you out if that happens.
I think “Justice” may be correct in many pornstars who are currently escorting being “busted” in the near future. I think this is a strong probability primarily due to the escort market currently being oversaturated in Los Angeles and authorities taking notice. It IS rather odd to see so many pornstars and agencies openly advertising on eros, cityvibe and the like.
I think in this particular situation, Hey simply is looking at the amount of money the talent he reps can make daily opposed to how much the talent will make working with Xplay.
When you work with Xplay, you’re required to be on set for an extensive amount of hours for a couple of weeks. I suppose this in Hey’s eyes takes the talent out of commission for too long (at this point in time at least, of which I’m sure he’s not earning as much per talent as he did say, 5 years ago), so it effects his daily profit margin being that he can most likely book the same talent with lesser known studios or for “private” shoots.
Now Hey NOT booking his talent in an Xplay movie isn’t a smart move in my book. Why? Well I’d think that as one of the more successful talent agents in the business, you’d want your talent roster to have as many award winning movie credits under their belt as possible.
I recently noticed that LA Direct signed Jenny Hendrix who has appeared in quite a few Xplay titles – I think Hey would be doing Jenny a huge disservice not to notify her of any upcomming opportunities with a studio that she appears to have had a close relationship with AND who greatly has assisted in her rising popularity.
I’ve noticed that LA Direct has recently signed Tanner Mayes as well – considering that Tanner hasn’t been in too many features if any (to my knowledge) I think an Xplay flick would be a perfect gateway for her into the world of features. I don’t understand how Hey wouldn’t be able to see this point and why he wouldn’t at LEAST pass along the offer details to that particular performer.
Now Xplay isn’t totally in the right – I do feel that studios , especially right now , should pay a talent’s rate – especially if the talent is required to be on set for an extensive amount of hours for days at a time.
Talent right now is struggling. I know many young women who are talents that can barely pay their rent each month so for porn to continue with QUALITY talent, the powers that be in porn need to take care of the talent.
One more point that I want to end with, is that Xplay isn’t blowing smoke up your ass when they say you’ll receive a lot of attention from being in their flicks. I personally saw a HUGE surge in traffic to my website since playing “Claire” in Not the Cosbys XXX #1 and #2. That traffic to my site which I own and operate translated into dollars for me.
I think that Hey, might want to consider that last point being that he owns and operates the websites of many of the talents he reps.
Talents, might want to consider this last point as well and not allow your agent or manager to own and operate your website being that you may never receive your appropriate cut of the earnings generated from your site – many of those earnings being directly attributed to you have being cast in an Xplay or other award winning studio’s movie.
Simple solution here: LA direct simply needs to properly develop and market their talent’s websites (possibly with Xplay’s computer department’s help) to make up for (many times over) the lower rate of which Xplay is willing to pay for La Direct’s talent.
I decided to discuss this today on my daily BlogTV broadcast of Monica At Home.
March 10th, 2010 at 8:54 pMonicaFoster:
If you’re going to ignore the fact that many municipalities regulate escorting rather than outright forbid it, then I guess you can say “escorting is illegal.”
Respectfully, do you seriously believe law enforcement hasn’t been aware of the ads appearing near the back of LAWeekly and similar publications? The government doesn’t have unlimited resources. It’s not going to vigorously prosecute, for example, a case where a jury could reasonably find that an escort’s client didn’t know what a BBBJ was. (How many readers *here* know what that is? First person to answer wins a prize–from Cindi.)
As for Derek not directing the talent he represents toward “award winning movies”: That’s not necessarily a bad thing for the talent. I’m sure many of the talent he represents are solely interested in the short-term money and could care less about achieving stardom. In that case, it makes sense that Derek would steer them toward jobs that make them the most money for the least amount of work. Certainly you would agree.
March 10th, 2010 at 11:12 pMark Spiegler:
Notice that key word: “knowingly.”
March 10th, 2010 at 11:13 pMARK:
March 10th, 2010 at 11:44 pgood catch, with the statute, and that my friend is another piece of the puzzle. If derrick knows, and he is an exceptionally bright gut unless he tries to pull a chin gigante on us, the late mob boss may he rest in piece. Derek should have an idea when an audrey bitoni is dating him, and niki jayne is dating him, and he is in contact with lourdes enterprise about her. yet he allows these ladies to work for him. I almost shitted my pants when bud lee said private shoots can be done with a non-actor, and just a private individual the rate he quoted me was $2,000 for an audrey bitoni. I use her because she is so out there on what type of sex acts she provides as an escort. why would one need an escort for a 1/2 hour, and the escort site recommends looking at the girls reviews, and the reviews show all the sex acts she performs. Is that not notice. Let me sing a little song “London Bridges coming down, coming down” And the lawman will serve justice that is why they call me justice.
also is derek hay racist??? also why does audrey bitoni say she will not due interracial. I think anyone that will not do interracial is racist. Audrey stated this on bubba the love sponge show, and she made it sound like it is disgusting. THAT REPULSES ME.IF I WAS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN I WOULD BUY NO MOVIES, SCENES WITH HER, AND SEND LETTERS TO THE COMPANIES SHE WORKS FOR.
March 10th, 2010 at 11:49 pYes i believe derek is a racist. So you were told 2000 for a private with audrey? I was told 1500. I hope you are right when you say justice will be served to derek and la direct.
March 11th, 2010 at 7:00 pyes $1,500 is correct from an escort agency. but bud lee wanted $2,000 from LA direct
March 11th, 2010 at 2:31 pMark:
March 11th, 2010 at 2:40 pcould you please tell us what a standard talent fee is for a female please. Also how many shoots can an audrey bitoni at $1,500 per month
justice,
When you say “standard fee” do you mean for a b/g scene?
March 11th, 2010 at 3:55 pJustice — Full Service is exactly what it sounds like. You get it all within limits.
NiceGirl — BBBJ is escort slang for ‘bareback blowjob’. No need to give me a silly plastic trophy.
As for the central core of this, it seems that both are in the wrong. It’s wrong for Mullen (or any producer for that matter) to constantly try and lowball talent. Everyone is hurting now, so it’s sort of douchy to try and say that being in your movies, even if they are ‘award winners’, is the end all to be all for a girl’s adult career. You should use the level of talent you can afford. Period. End of story. There’s SO MANY girls entering Porn Valley each and every day. If Mullen, or any other producer for that matter, thinks their influence is so tremendous, it stands to reason they can turn most ANY reasonable attractive girl into Porn’s Next Big Thing. Therefore, they shouldn’t be trying to get Today’s Porn It Girl at a discount.
Likewise, it’s wrong for Hay (or any agent for that matter) to not entertain ALL offers for his clients. If a girl needs the work, let her take the paycut. If she doesn’t need to take discounted jobs, good for her (as she must also be able to walk, chew gum, suck cock and balance her check book at the same time). Yet for Hay, or any other agent in Porn Valley, to dismiss offers during these economically perilous times for everyone, is just idiotic. Again, it’s one thing if Female Talent X told her agent in advance if she gets offers below her rate, to just forget about calling her. Who knows if that’s the case in this particular situation — yet at the end of the day, if the agent isn’t doing their job, then a girl needs to leave them for someone who is.
As for privates/escorting, allegedly there are those out there who will just hire a girl for a POV shoot for their so-called website. Since we are all adults, it seems to me if an agent wants to entertain these types of bullshit jobs and a girl actually goes through with said bullshit shoot, then they’re free to do so.
I say let the chips fall where they will on Porn’s Dirty Little Secret circa 2010. As another poster pointed out, there’s simply not enough resources for law enforcement to go after each and every girl in porn hooking on the side. Granted, Bitoni is a bit of a name and would serve as a warning shot across the bow if she had to do a perp walk into the downtown lockup. Yet it’s not as if arresting Nici Braun did much good toward getting porn girls to stop escorting on the side. Tiger Woods’ alleged activities with Playmates and Porn Girls shows that you get rid of one powerful madam and there’s plenty more to take their place!
March 11th, 2010 at 5:26 psammyglick:
March 11th, 2010 at 6:28 pwell put, but i disagree and feel jeff can negotiate and derek is free to turn him down and ship his talent to another production. However as Derek states he has a choice to but tea at 7-11 as oppossed to starbucks as mate wishes. Well the same goes for the talent they can decide what they want to do with the expert insight of their talent agent. But for crying out loud let the talent participate in the decision making.
Also let me tell you the desperate girls are still escorting like a bitoni who is all over with this. But what has occurred is that a lot of people are not using the agencies as much, because they are afraid of being arrested meaning the johns. I know for a fact that audrey bitoni has been reported to major cities vice squad, and hotels have been put on notice about her. Not ard to prove for instance one week or a little less than a week she came in and out with different guys, You don’t think there are hotel cameras, and text messages between her and her various escort agencies, and take that in combination of her reviews on TER.
I will be giving more numbers as we go, however if you have any helpful information about LA direct please contact
Los Angeles FBI 310-477-6565.
Also any information on audrey bitoni or any pornstar escorting in New York State
call the vice squad at 212-477-7683, and just mention Bitoni’s name they have her real last name, but i can’t publish it here.
Where is mark when you need him to comment.
March 11th, 2010 at 6:39 pI would like to ask him how much is Brazzers paying for a B/G scene. Do they negotiate off bitoni’s $1,500 fee per scene
Justice, thanks…but we’re not on the same page with this.
The crux of my argument is that, yes — each side (producer/agent) are free to negotiate until the cows come home. Yet they do so knowing what cards the other person has. The Agent knows that putting his girls into decent to better than average to award-winning movies is a plus (and will lead to her being able to ask for more money, which leads to a bigger cut for him — unless there’s a set commission rate I’m not aware of — but if not, he still benefits, as he’ll get more clients based on the positive experiences of his current clients). Likewise, the Producer knows if he pays the money, he’ll get access to the top girls (who in turn, will likely lead to his movies selling more units and in turn, he can constantly use the top girls instead of having to go to the B and C listers whom the public isn’t all that interested in watching fuck on camera). Granted it can become a vicious cycle — you use lame girls, and you’re going to quickly get stuck doing lower budget movies (to the point, you can ONLY get those girls and if you do manage to afford a Big Star’s rates, you’ll have to cut back on the number of releases you can budget for the year). So it can be a dicey proposition to use talent above your production budget before you can truly afford to.
Yet not every single girl in Porn Valley understands this unique relationship and how it can affect their bank account. The ones who do I suppose, do very well…those that don’t, well you know the score. Again, people should be free to do whatever they want within the limits of the law. This isn’t a dictatorship.
As for Porn Girls who escort, who died and made you Eliot Spitzer!?! The only person I’m dropping a dime on to the Feds, is the crank on a porn message board asking people to ‘turn in’ porn chicks who escort on the side.
Really, who is someone like Audrey Bitoni hurting beyond some rich asshole’s bank account after forking over close to two grand to bang a porn chick who once admitted she has never had an orgasm (on film or in her private life). Stop being such a fucking nosey-nanny and let people live their lives the way they want to.
March 11th, 2010 at 7:04 pJustice is on the lookout, and will clean up the smut of porn valley. Look out because the law is looking out for all escorts, and illegal business practices.
March 11th, 2010 at 8:14 palso look at audrey bitoni’s official twitter, and read her last post. I quote she is headed tomorrow to florida. But in reality she is heading to NYC to prostitute herself. Please refer to pamela peaks, and Body miracle, also can text memphis monroe who acts as one of her go betweens.
March 11th, 2010 at 8:19 pDescription of Session Audrey Bitoni is a hot Italian Porn Star that I decided to hire while I was in the LA area. When I hire and escort, I only hire the best, and I get EXACTLY what I want. I don’t believe in compromises.
Audrey is extremely attractive. Her high price tag is worth it, as you can see by all the things she allows. Her starting price is $1000.00, but if you want BBFS, which I did, then you will have to pay more.
Getting bare back requires you to be tested first. She was tested as well, and the arrangements were made well in advance before the session started.
I fucked this chick in a bunch of different positions. When I bang a chick, I like to fuck her fast with a lot of force. I’m not satisfied until I hear the sound of skin slapping, thats when you know you’re beating up the pussy.
After fucking her hard in doggie for a while, I had her turn around, open her mouth, and I exploded with her mouth around my dick. She took every drop, then swallowed.
I purchased my own camera for this scene, so you could basically say that I made my own personal porno with Audrey. This chick gets vocal when you’re fucking her right, and I was. I will probably fly her out to meet me when I go on vacation to Monaco next year.
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One of the hottest chicks I’ve ever had in my life, Audrey Bitoni could give you everything that you want. Its quiet difficult to set a date with Audrey since she’s always out satisfying someone else. But after some time my chance came and the wait was well worth it.
She’s a little bit pricey but considering her resume she’s worth it. She arrived in my hotel room and she was absolutely stunning. Her eyes are piercing and have a very sexy look. I booked for a full service bare back so we went the day before to get checked together. We’re all good and we’re ready to get it on.
Once I opened the door, she greeted me with a DFK. We were making out towards the door and after a few kisses more, we talked a little bit with a champagne. We moved to the bed later where we had an amazing time. First she gave me a great BJ and later we moved to 69. I was then doing her with a doggie and I shot my wad to her back later. She told me she wanted more and wanted it in her mouth so she gave me another BJ to get me going. After a few positions (the cowgirl was great!) I unloaded my wad to her and she took every drop of it and swallowed all of it. If you have money, better spend it in Audrey as she will give you the pornstar experience you never had before.
PLEASE SEE ABOVE, DOES THIS SOUND LEGAL.
March 11th, 2010 at 8:29 pDerek Gay and escorting? Nice Girl, Dereks knows very well what is going on. So is the police.
March 11th, 2010 at 11:33 pLet the above be official notice that Derek Hay has at least one female talent audrey bitoni who exchanges money for sex off camera. But he should have known this when he was dating her. which is distigusting considering there is ove a 21 year difference in age. Are you telling me a female like bitoni was 20 years old and comes from probably not the best family situation, was not taken advantage by mate???
March 12th, 2010 at 2:45 p“But he should have known this when he was dating her. which is distigusting considering there is ove a 21 year difference in age.”
Derek Hay is a bad person but there’s no doubt that he’s the best pimp in the game. He deserves praise for allowing his girls to make decent money for little work while making porn fans’ dreams come true, not criticism.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:13 p1G minimum for sex, what recession? With the same G you could fuck 4 or 5 perfectly fine girls at once, and they probably have the ability to orgasm. Or you could bang the hell out of a single perfectly fine girl for hours.
Regardless, it isn’t prostitution unless an EXPLICIT arrangement is made for sex. It doesn’t matter if you give an escort money and immediately she starts blowing you because as most escort pages read time spent is for companionship only and anything that happens is the result of two consenting adults.
March 12th, 2010 at 7:57 pAL:
I think you’re the only one who “gets it.”
Haven’t you guys seen Training Day? “It’s not what you saw. It’s what you can prove.”
And unless the arrangement is pretty clear, e.g., “How much for a blowjob?” it’s very hard to prove solicitation of prostitution.
As for the reviews on TER, etc., I’m sure at least some of those reviews are fake. Can you tell which ones are? Neither can law enforcement.
March 12th, 2010 at 8:37 pDefinitely a sizable number of those reviews are fabricated by the provider in many cases.
Further to that though is the fact that most people are knowledgeable of all the law enforcement traps that you have to be very stupid to get pinched for prostitution. Besides, states are in the red and using resources for cracking down on prostitution is not practical. If anything, it just proliferates more and more as time goes on.
March 12th, 2010 at 9:01 pReally Justice…you have such a small dull life that you spend it reading a porn girl’s Twitter feed and TER reviews?
Also, when did YOU become the judge of what is the correct age spread for a couple?! You better move out of your mother’s basement, so you can see that the world is full of May/September relationships.
As to the validity of any escort review, only a total idiot would spend their hard earned cash on one who allegedly delivers the moon and the stars. While I don’t know Audrey Bitoni, I suspect she probably wouldn’t fuck a stranger unprotected in exchange for a few extra dollars and a test.
TER “I booked for a full service bare back so we went the day before to get checked together. We’re all good and we’re ready to get it on.” and “Getting bare back requires you to be tested first. She was tested as well, and the arrangements were made well in advance before the session started.”
Huh? What medical testing service gives you INSTANT results? What guy who is seeing prostitutes, and has the money to get the ‘best’, is going to go celibate for a few months so his latest ‘paid date’ can rest assured that his test is actually as clean and clear as it states.
Al, do you REALLY think Audrey Bitoni writes like a retard whose been living in his parents’ basement for the past 40 years and finally saved up enough milk money to bang a porn chick “fast with a lot of force…until I hear the sound of skin slapping, thats when you know you’re beating up the pussy.” lol
March 12th, 2010 at 11:33 pAL:
March 12th, 2010 at 3:17 pfirst of all two issues here need to be addressed, b/c this forum is starting to make very light of some serious issues, and Justice will make sure justice is served.
First, foremost the talent has an absolute right to be informed of any serious offers made by a production company. now as to what everyone classifies as escorting is defined in many states as prostitution. of course it is prostiution, and in fact is prosecuted everyday. Look at the manhattan madam, look at nicic braun. Believe me more and more providers and pornstars will be arrested. ALSO TAKING AL’S LOGIC THAT MOST OF THE TER REVIEWS ARE WRITTEN BY THE PROVIDERS SHOWS MORE GUILT BY THE PROVIDER. Believe law enforecement does not really get restrained by budgetary concerns.
As to Derek fucking bitoni, not so cool when there is an agent client relationship. Check ethics on lawyers, physicians, etc.
Again there is a new sheriff in town that will protect talent, and JUSTICE IS THE NAME.
“now as to what everyone classifies as escorting is defined in many states as prostitution. of course it is prostiution”
And what everyone calls porn here is defined in most states as obscenity.
“Believe law enforecement does not really get restrained by budgetary concerns.”
I do not believe that because it’s obviously bullshit.
“As to Derek fucking bitoni, not so cool when there is an agent client relationship. Check ethics on lawyers, physicians, etc.
Again there is a new sheriff in town that will protect talent,”
Are you gonna protect Sophie Dee against her pim…husband too or are you only against Hay?
“JUSTICE IS THE NAME.”
Great, another nutcase. Just what we need.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:34 pAbsolutely not just against derek hay do not even know him. I will look into sophie dee.
March 12th, 2010 at 3:43 pbest
“Escorting” is prostituting and they girls call it that because “escorting” is legal. Many girls make porn to get better “escorting” rates. In fact, a girl with another agency (NOT L.A. Direct) got fired for “escorting” so much that she was on the cover of an escort magazine. I have no issue with it–that’s just how these girls make a living. There’s always been rumors that Derek pimps out the girls, but there’s never been any proof. But if he does, I’m sure he’s NOT the only agent doing so.
March 12th, 2010 at 4:26 pI agree with natasha in that it is not just derek’s talent. Albeit audrey bitoni is the most explicit. This is not a lets beat up derek discussion.As to Al calling me a Troll?? do you even know the definition of a troll?? the meaning of that word has not relationship to what i am doing.
March 12th, 2010 at 4:32 pYou need to get a dictionary and education.
justice you’re getting your comments confused, I didn’t call you a troll. What is being overlooked is that some men does use escort services to appear at work functions and appear to be in a relationship with an attractive woman. They probably bang them afterwards, but everyone who has had some sort of white collar job has shown up to the christmas party and sees someone you clearly know is not with his “date”
March 12th, 2010 at 4:42 pAL:
March 12th, 2010 at 5:11 pIt was my error, and i apoligize to you. No i get what you have just said. But that is in opposition to a pornstar who just has you come to her hotel room, and you have to pay first, and sex begins. That is exactly what this audrey bitoni does.
Justice “You need to get a dictionary and education.”
Please, how about you finish painting that kettle black.
Justice “Justice will make sure justice is served.”
…oh and while you’re at it, stop referring to yourself in the 3rd person and put down the comic book you’re stealing lines from you fucking hack.
Every time you post nonsense, you sound more and more like a disgruntled ‘client’ of Audrey Bitoni. She didn’t give you BBFS like you paid for, or did she make fun of the black socks you refused to take off before you were “beating up the pussy” with your tiny pencil dick?
March 12th, 2010 at 5:32 pThank you Sammy, thank you.
March 12th, 2010 at 6:34 psammy you come off very angry, and thank you for corroborating the fact that audrey bitoni and likes provide sex for money. Also you have not answered my question deine a troll, and then how does it relate to me wanting to clean up unethical and illegal conduct sir. As i can tell by your language and actions, you probably are a misogynous. And yes Justice is here to save porn valley. As stated before I am him to make sure justice is served the american way.
March 12th, 2010 at 7:04 pRetard says what?
First off idiot, I didn’t label you a ‘troll’. If you want a definition, I suggest putting said term into an ‘internet search engine’ and have a random 3rd grader read you the results back (as unlike you, they’ll be able to understand what all of those big words mean).
As for my ‘language and actions’, you’re the only one around here determined to be the “new sheriff in town” in regards to policing Porn Valley. Again, who the fuck died and put you charge of the world. If someone wants to be porn talent, prostitute, meter maid, bank teller, Sec. of Defense, whatever…be my guest. Again, unless you’re the LAPD Chief of Police, you better be able to back up your empty threats. Otherwise, you’re just a simian with a keyboard.
March 12th, 2010 at 7:30 pSammy i apologize to you it was newklear that is a moron with verbiage. This NYC police as well. They don’t appreciate girls crossing state lines and prostituting themselves like audrey bitoni in upscale hotels.
March 12th, 2010 at 8:03 pJustice is here to save the day
I believe this thread is officially crapped.
Justice: Call your local law enforcement agency and share with them everything you know. Good luck!
March 12th, 2010 at 8:48 pjustice would like this thread to stay open to give updates. Demi delia justice is looking at you for pimping, and the statute of limitations is still open to get you, and delive the ‘JUSTICE’ you deserve.
March 12th, 2010 at 9:01 pIdiot, you need to “delive” the justice/Justice/JUSTICE straight up your own candy ass. And yes, I’m being “mysogynous,” you fucking immigrant, fresh-off-the-boat NYC douche bag. While you’re checking the law books down at the local library, take a stroll into the nearest Homeland Security office and see if you and your family is still on the watch list.
Whores should be the least of your worries.
March 13th, 2010 at 12:47 pAs stated before i believe in truth JUSTICE and the American way, and being a paid prositute is not the american way.
March 13th, 2010 at 2:00 pSo say you read it here, and if anyone asks you say JUSTICE told you, and you can even say you are a friend of JUSTICE. Now listen up and quiet in the court, Audrey bitoni will be arrested for criminal behavior as other criminal will be when caught.
Tell justice told YA.
AGAIN I AM HERE TO CLEAN UP PORN VALLEY ALL FEMALE TALENT CAN NOW FEEL SAFE.
Holy fuck! It’s D’ong! I shoulda known from the 3rd-grade grammar and spelling; the failed attempts to use dictionary and thesaurus to appear (barely) literate. Are there trailer parks in South America, Donald , and do they have wi-fi?
March 13th, 2010 at 2:09 pFirst Donald fucks them over, and now he wants to keep them safe. Boy, the meth really fucks up a dude’s head, doesn’t it?
March 13th, 2010 at 2:14 pHey Justice, how much would you charge to clean up my living room?
March 13th, 2010 at 2:51 pNo, dude. He wouldn’t just clean your living room, he’d bring JUSTICE! to your living room.
March 13th, 2010 at 2:34 pif Justice is his real name, he’s gotta be black. Black people name their kids after the shit they want i.e Justice, Harmony, Patience etc
March 13th, 2010 at 3:11 pJEREMY:
Reading your posts i believe that you don’t need any cleaning you seem to OK in the eyes of JUSTICE. The same goes for MARIAH MILANO she runs a clean shop, and happens to be bright.
Again don’t fight the law because JUSTICE WILL WIN.
March 13th, 2010 at 3:15 pWell talk is cheap Justice, unless you’re using Verizon… but thanks.
March 13th, 2010 at 10:23 pwhere is mark spiegel he has the balls that JUSTICE likes. Now watch out anyone that uses these providers(prostitutes) they are being watched. I ask anyone to provide JUSTICE information on Total Luxury Companions. JUSTICE WILL TAKE THEM DOWN, AND I DON’T MEAN CHINATOWN. Also i want to show everyone how much of a prostitute audrey bitoni is. It is my strong strong belief that she will be the downfall of Derek Hay. JUSTICE IS ALL OVER THIS ONE. The verdict is being helded in abeyance. look at audrey bitoni’s new prostitution ad today.
NEW YORK: MAR 13-14
READING, PA: APR 15-17
Audrey Bitoni is devastatingly hot with her petite, busty body and those gorgeous bedroom eyes that just draw you in with the look of desire. She is not shy, and not afraid to get into compromising positions. We are thrilled to be offering personal introductions to this lovely, sultry woman. Don’t let this opportunity get past you! Visit our website at Bodymiracle.com and fill out the Appointment Request Form NOW!!!
JUSTICE HAS MADE IT KNOWN TO BODY MIRACLE ABOUT HER EXCHANGING MONEY FOR SEX.
March 13th, 2010 at 11:14 pThey’re not paying for sex. They’re paying for the girls’ wit and “companionship”. The sex is free, of course.
Some say marriage is like prostitution, just much more expensive.
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”. – Martin Luther King, Jr.
“Until the great mass of the people shall be filled with the sense of responsibility for each other’s welfare, social justice can never be attained”. – Helen Keller
“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever”. – Thomas Jefferson
“The administration of justice is the firmest pillar of government”. – George Washington
“See, justice is a joke in this country, and it stinks of its hypocricy”. – H. Rap Brown
March 14th, 2010 at 12:59 pPlease let it be known that there should be an annoucement about total luxury companions that all will find interesting and la direct within a four week window of time, i might leak some of it on March 19.
March 14th, 2010 at 3:11 pAlso please let it be known that justice was served in NYC this weekend, and audrey bitoni was driven out of town for a lack of johns. Information is being sent to La direct, so they are on notice in regards to her activities with agencies, fBI investigation when she was with bella models. Her frequent escorting in chicago with specified name hotels. Now they will be on official notice, and a CC with photos of her, and a cassette tape will be sent, to california authorities that should be overseeing LATA.
I told JUSTICE IS HERE TO SAVE THE DAY. It takes time, but i have the resources to put all together.
Hey Justice:
Can you hold off on bringing justice for like, two more months? I’m still saving up for my session with Ms. Bitoni. $2,000/hr, right?
March 14th, 2010 at 4:03 pNice girl:
You gave me a good laugh. there is no holiday or days off for JUSTICE. first off Audrey can be had for less than $1,500 check memphis monroe, TLC, and probably could negotiate with body miracle.
JUSTICE needs to save this girl from a life of crime, and emotional disturbance. The lights are under her, and every other ant that is involved with her life of crime.
Also i have not had any luck finding out what type of assistance JUSTICE CAN OFFER TO SOPHIA DEE.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:49 pNeither rain, snow, sleet, or earthquake will stop JUSTICE from helping female talent that breaks the law, and allows others to degrade them.
anyone out there needs to reach out and touch audreys hand and others like her that are similarly situated and show them love, the american way, truth, and JUSTICE.
If you really want to know raise me 1,500 and I’ll “order” her and let you know the deal. I can be your PI justice
March 14th, 2010 at 10:39 pAL:
March 14th, 2010 at 11:13 pI love it. You are deputized to be a junior justice. To all the kids out there that look up to JUSTICE. you too can become a junior justice. Just stay clean do not and i repeat do not do drugs, and keep your bodies healthy and stay out of prostitution. There are serious health and physical harm that occurs.
I didn’t want to say this but audrey bitoni was once faced with a serious situation when she did not collect her fee up front and some wacko tried to stiff her. This is fact, and someone can ask her about it.
I don’t really care what you call me, that is if you were to buy me audrey for an hour lol any escort that is anybody comes to NY regularly, JUSTICE needs a budget to collect evidence
March 15th, 2010 at 12:20 pJustice “Tell justice told YA. AGAIN I AM HERE TO CLEAN UP PORN VALLEY ALL FEMALE TALENT CAN NOW FEEL SAFE.”
You’re a little late dumbass, Mariah Miliano has that job all locked up. hahahaha
March 15th, 2010 at 11:02 pAL “if Justice is his real name, he’s gotta be black. Black people name their kids after the shit they want i.e Justice, Harmony, Patience etc”
Come’on, what stereotypical nonsense is that?! Even in Porn Valley Harmony is a white chick and ‘Justice’ Young is a white dude!
March 15th, 2010 at 11:06 pits a fuckin joke sammy… you’ve never met a black person that has had a name like that… I know a black Harmonie and Patience, male and female respectively and I have met a black guy named justice… Like Justice Clarence Thomas…. no Sammy, that was a joke too
March 15th, 2010 at 2:43 pJUSTICE states please drop the racial talk. JUSTICE does not see color. Only audrey bitoni and derek do.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:44 pALso does anyone want to give info to JUSTICE
as it stands soon we will have the owner of the domain name the luxury companion escort agency believed by some to be an alter ego of derek hay from LA direct. The registrant owner is confidential but wait JUSTICE has been working on it. will it reveal Derek Hay’s name or address. This story as stated prior is just beginning. He made the biggest mistake coming out of his closet with X-play. Derek always keep a low profile. You should get good criminal attorneys.
March 15th, 2010 at 11:04 pAl, you forgot to follow Sharpton/Jackson’s top ten rules for getting out of racially explosive situations as explained in their bestseller ‘Buying Raci$m’.
After making jokey stereotypical remarks you have to add that most of your friends are black (otherwise expect to be harassed in public until you do pay them off…oops, I mean give a chartable donation to their foundations).
March 16th, 2010 at 10:38 pThat’s for Anglos Sammy… I don’t have to mind my racial P’s and Q’s.
March 16th, 2010 at 11:11 pSay what? Those two jokers haven’t been in LA since the OJ verdict!
March 16th, 2010 at 12:57 pstop the racial talk. JUSTICE SEE’S NO COLOR. What happen to fatso mark spiegler. He makes good points, and JUSTICE respects the fat mans opinions.
March 16th, 2010 at 3:31 pYou know when a lot of people do shopping? On BLACK Friday
March 16th, 2010 at 6:59 pAL:
March 16th, 2010 at 9:19 pJustice is holding AL in contempt of court for his disgusting racial attacks.
NL-Justice- you have crossed the line several times with racial slurs & accusing people of crimes. Those comments have been deleted. And you are accusing others of racism? Clean up your own act first or you are just about done here.
March 17th, 2010 at 2:58 pJeremy:
that is racist. JUSTICE says stop all this racism and focus on people being prostitutes like audrey bitoni. What will Derek Hay do if he is shown by JUSTICE to be an alter ego of The Luxury companion. Tick Tock Tic Tock
NL- In my opinion calling someone a “SELF-LOATHING JEW is a racial slur” And as to moderating comments, my opinion is the one that counts. I can’t libel someone who is anonymous.
March 18th, 2010 at 3:32 pNOT FOR LUKE:
JUSTICE really takes offense to your comments. i HAVE NOT MADE ONE RACIAL SLUR. justice sees no color. COULD YOU PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE i made a racial slur.In fact all i have done is complained about people using racial comments, and i see you finally deleted it. You are libeling me. Please remove kindly claiming i left racial slurs. I have backed up everything in regards to people advertising prostitution.
thank you
I’m beginning to form the opinion that No Justice = Peace.
The world needs justice, not a jackass who calls himself “Justice”.
March 18th, 2010 at 2:37 pJustice is being blocked by a moderator that does not understand the first amendment.
March 18th, 2010 at 10:10 pJUSTICE is here to save the day. Today JUSTICE WILL HAVE A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT FOR ALL IN REGARDS TO THE PREVALENCE OF ESCORTING IN AN OTHERWISE LEGITIMATE PORN INDUSTRY. So please allow the people of this informative blog to get their due justice.
Justice, are you the same dude behind the Dirty D situation? If so, what did Dirty D do to piss you off?
March 19th, 2010 at 4:30 pJustice is back to serve justice, and must compliment Not Luke for showing a respect for the second amendment, but i do realize i am in NL court.
March 19th, 2010 at 8:39 pNow lets start to serve Justice. The porn industry is on a down fall, scenes and rates are at an all time low. Competition is fierce, and that is why if you look on eros, and escort agencies you will see these girls advertising like crrazy. Even in that department the competition is fierce for smaller amount of men/women who could afford their fees. JUSTICE is shining light on this illegal practice.
Gee whiz, you only said your name thrice! .. and in bold caps only once? We just love to hear you say your alias over and over. It really proves you’re busy working on what you say you’re doing with all the time you spend saying what you’re doing, repeating your name like an infomercial actor on crack.
March 20th, 2010 at 1:34 pFor all you Jr Justices JUSTICE isPlease note that as a company policy, Photogirls does not discuss services
she is booked as a PSE escort.
We look forward to taking your reservation.
Kind regards
The Photogirls Team
March 20th, 2010 at 9:30 pTelephone: 0044 7 961 986181
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shining his justice light on all escort related activities. Derek Hay that light is on you now Mate. I am posting an advertisement from an england based escort agency that Dereks ex-girlfriend and talent audrey bitoni prostiute herself from. see below
S 230.00 Prostitution.
March 20th, 2010 at 6:08 pA person is guilty of prostitution when such person engages or agrees
or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for
a fee.
Prostitution is a class B Misdemeanor
MARK SPEIGEL:
March 23rd, 2010 at 6:47 psorry for the late response. i was waiting for you to come back on the board. Yes could you kindly tell us the standard B/G rate per scene, and who other than your lovely sasha grey commands the highest rates these days.
JUSTICE THANKS YOU FOR YOUR COMMUNITY SERVICE ON THIS BOARD
Oh no. Not her. So different. She only has one group as a target and it’s all centered around what happened to Kelsie.
March 24th, 2010 at 3:05 p