From Xbiz.com
Rob Black to Launch New Company, Revive Extreme Associates
LOS ANGELES — The Evolution of Rob Black will enter a new phase in January as the notorious producer rolls out a new company bearing his name, begins a ramped-up production schedule and also launches the Extreme Entertainment Network. Black put his unique stamp on 2011 with several high-profile productions, settling back into the director’s chair under two different stage names — General Stone and Sinister X.
He directed the XBIZ Award-nominated “Taxi Driver” for Sensuous Diamond/Pleasure Dynasty and “Rezervoir Doggs” for Exquisite Films as General Stone. Using the name Sinister X, he helmed Extreme Comixxx releases such as “Captain America XXX” and “Iron Man XXX.”
In 2012, however Black will not only be attaching his own name to some cutting-edge projects, he’ll also be introducing Rob Black Productions to the marketplace.
“I’ve made a brand out of these characters,” Black tells XBIZ. “General Stone will represent the dramatic movies that I do, such as ‘Rezervoir Doggs,’ ‘Taxi Driver’ and ‘Training Day.’
“Sinister X creates all the comic book parodies like ‘Captain America XXX,’ ‘Supergirl XXX,’ ‘Ironman XXX’ and ‘Super Heroine 3D’ in the comic-book genre. And then that brings us to good old Rob Black.”
Black says that under the new Rob Black Productions umbrella he will resurrect his notorious Extreme Associates label in January. He noted that reviving the line means tapping back into its roots.
“This will not be Extreme 2.0 — it’s not a reboot — but the original Extreme Associates,” Black explains. “I got the original library back. We have about 400 titles that are packaged and will be put into grab bags. It’s stuff that hasn’t been on the shelves in years and years because we’ve been out of business.”
Black on June 3, 2010, was released from a federal penitentiary in Texas after serving 10 months of a year-and-a-day prison sentence for distributing what the government deemed to be obscene materials. The federal prosecution of Black and his wife Lizzy Borden, who also was incarcerated, dragged on for seven years and drew national attention along the way. Black says he has learned from the whole experience, coming away with a new perspective and focused determination to re-establish his brand of moviemaking.
“Some of the stuff I did that I got into trouble for, now it’s like common fare — the over-the-top stuff. But for me it was a business. It was a character, a way to make money. It wasn’t a lifestyle,” says Black, now in his 16th year in porn. “Back then we were trying to capitalize on the business of an extreme brand of entertainment. But you have to evolve and move on, just like Madonna or Metallica. They evolved, and they still play big venues.”
The 38-year-old also admits that he added fuel to his whole legal ordeal simply by being “an asshole.” “Rob Black, it’s always been a fucking character,” he continues. “Nobody can go to jail for making a sex movie for consenting adults, I went to jail for being a douche bag, but that’s alright because we live and we learn from our travels.” Black at post time had hired respected industry veteran Sandee Johnson to be his sales manager for the Extreme Associates line, which he will independently distribute. Johnson is a former performer whose professional background also includes working as a sales executive for Evil Angel. She’ll begin taking sales calls this Monday morning.
“We’re running it as its own entity,” he says. “We’ll be releasing the catalog and some of the classics again showing the old school way. We’ll be doing the return of ‘Cock Smokers,’ real basic stuff that we did, all under the Rob Black Productions banner — ‘Excellence in Filmmaking.’”
Meanwhile, Black says in January he is also rolling out the Extreme Entertainment Network, which will be his own adult channel available on Roku, Google TV and Boxee.
Black says he thinks the next big wave is already happening with streaming video.
“My thing is we’re going to revolution the streaming and bring a form of entertainment to that. We have original content, I have a talk show and reality show we’re starting called ‘The Life of Rob Black’ which will be following me around,” Black says.
He reveals he’ll also produce some softer, “Maxim-style stuff” that is sexy, but not hardcore for the Extreme Entertainment Network.
“Picture it like the Netflix of porn. It’s basically just my library and everything that I do,” Black says. “I’m excited because for the first time all the parodies I do will be available for streaming.”
He adds, “We have big, big plans. This is my business — I’m not an outsider, not a Johnny Come Lately, not a guy with aspirations and dreams and hopes. Now it’s about the fun of it again. The fun is getting to the top. It’s not being on top — that ain’t fun for me. I like getting back on top. That is the fun of it.”
When Black got out prison, he teamed up with veteran distribution and production exec Jerry E. at Exquisite due to the relationship they had before he started doing his time. Their friendship dates back to when Black did business with Jerry E. on a producer-distributor level with Extreme.
Black reached an agreement to begin shooting parodies for Exquisite, but with a careful strategy.
“I had said I was nervous about putting my name on stuff that was different than what I was known for because I didn’t want people to immediately dismiss it like, ‘Oh it’s going to be anal depravity,’” Black says. “We said fuck it, let’s do a character and do parodies and we’ll rebrand the Exquisite name and make it Exquisite Films and Extreme Comixxx. So I branded it with fake names because I didn’t want people to immediately give it that ‘no.’ After that I guess the rest is history. Since then, we’ve put Exquisite basically on the forefront of the high-end business along with the companies around it.”
Black also recently announced a deal with his longtime friend Axel Braun in which he’ll direct a new slate of movies that will be released by Braun’s namesake production company. Black recalls forging a friendship with Braun when he’d travel to Italy to make foreign rights deals. Braun, now one of the top producer-directors in porn, grew up there. “I’ve known Axel before Axel was Axel in America,” said Black, who used to hang with Braun in Milan. “We’ve always been friends and it just went from there. We had talked about doing something under his label.” It’s all part of a new trajectory for Black, whose colorful career has been full of highs and lows during the past decade-and-a-half. Now he is eager to create a new legacy for himself. “People love me and people hate me, but regardless, from 1995 up to now I’ve been a force in the business, and I’m still here and still surviving,” Black says. “I think that says a lot.”
This is crappy news as Rob Black/Extreme Associates doesnt like to pay its bills or the talent it hires.
It goes to many lengths to avoid paying.
Gene Ross and adultfyi.com know first hand but since was little a little cash here and there he kept his mouth shut like the shill he is.
I would like to warn ANY and ALL talent about ever working for Rob Black. Do NOT accept checks from him. Take cash only and make sure you confirm its actual US currency.
I wouldnt be surprised if he come out of prison thinking he knows how to counterfeit like the pros.
I think a good new company name would be Rubber Check Productions.
Black’s only 38? That’s got to be wrong. Whatever the age he’s still an asshole. He’s been treating talent like shit for years, pretty arrogant for a guy that could have ended up in a hole in a desert. Meanwhile, Donkey Long is cowering in fear in Thailand…Donkey is still nowhere the pile of shit Rob is.
I like the movies he’s making now (I’m not familiar with his older stuff for the most part) and most of them are released under other labels, Exquisite and Vivid, so people are being paid these days. How bad was the check bouncing back in the day (was it as bad as Cezar’s was claimed to be for so long?)?
This is wonderful news to present along with the other presents we’ve received for the Holidays/ holy days. So he’s not shooting any more rape scenes which end with the woman’s throat slashed? Gee, how am I supposed to jerk off anymore?
Houstondon,
It was bad. They played games with alot of peoples money.
They would hire girls for dp scenes, gangbangs and even pissing scenes(in a blue kids tub in the alley behind their office). They knew damn well they didnt have the money in the bank.
They would shoot the scene and give the girl a check. Most girls would immediately goto the bank and try to cash it. The bank would tell them there were insufficient funds to cover the amount.
The girl would then come back and ask to speak to Rob. Everyone in the office knew to play stupid and say he just left. Things got pretty hectic because girls were started to come back with their boyfriends ready to knock heads. A couple times Rob would slip out the back door and make a break for it.
Some girls got paid some did not. For girls that didnt want to do boygirl scenes he would say “come do a pissing scene for $300”. The girl would do the scene, sign the model release, get a check and it wouldnt clear. Most of the new girls knew they got burned and simply left the business.
Gene Ross would sit in his crappy office waiting for someone to “interview” and then post on adulfyi which was used the tag line “on your side”.
The only side Gene was on, was his own. He is an old spineless coward. He saw first hand the crap that used to go on there and didnt say a word because they were paying him a few dollars.
Regardless of who Rob is working for now he is still a worthless piece of shit. No one is going to purchase his crap anyways. His meal ticket will run out soon enough.
They shoulda made him give up the location of Messiah’s thumb, before they let him outta jail. I’d trade a toe or 2 for the right piece of ass, but a thumb to fuck Rob’s wife, nah.
Ok; Thanks Mr. capone!.
What great people making the porn news lately, the straw man that is the FSC and of course Rob Black, so called freedom fighter and just one step on the evolutionary food chain above Ty Gonty and the fuckers at Anarchy. Wonder if Gene has read Rob’s tarot cards yet, or will it be a good story is worth repeating, what a lazy bastard, why not just have the PR firms write all the copy instead of 50%.
Gene Ross is great! he sent me all the Email address for my attorney and Rolled over on pornodan..hahahaha…I love this Industry!!!!!!.
One’s “freedom fighter” is another’s terrorist, Larry, just as one’s rape/snuffing is another’s “entertainment”.
When reviewing, voting, or otherwise trying to evaluate titles coming in, I feel obligated to focus on the product rather than the drama behind the scenes (with minor exceptions). In this case, Black’s role in the Spiderman XXX parody really was a very convincing J. Jonah Jameson, his parodies under the General Stone and Sinister X aliases have been consistently ahead of the pack in many ways, and my experiences tell me that few in porn are angels when you ask the right people.
Devil’s Advocate Time:
Given my appreciation for so many of BDD’s posts, I checked into the non-payment claim and found that a LOT of performers worked repeatedly for him and Extreme (including a number of directors like Tom Byron, Michael Stefano, and some who worked under their own aliases). If they weren’t getting paid, they would not have come back. Most of the claims regarding this issue were centered on the period of time that the federal government was actively fucking with members of the industry to put it, and them, out of business. This doesn’t mitigate those left out, mostly distributors who are not typically thought of as exceptional when it comes to paying bills, but how long has it been since one of his performers has been given a bad check?
As far as the rough sex angle, I’ve seen titles by Belladonna, Jake Malone, Bobbi Starr, and several others over the last ten years that put anything Black made to shame in terms of roughness. I used to hate such porn until it was pointed out to me that a lot of the performers enjoyed making it (the performers telling me this at social gatherings and on the convention floor as well as via email or on the phone). The “gross out” porn stuff some have mentioned might have been for dramatic effect or to cater to a small group of twisted weirdos but again, can anyone here say that consumers did not know what they were getting, at least in general terms?
Anyway, I know some of you had personal feuds with Black, including Hillbilly Mike, over a sweeping range of things and others might envision a porn industry where only certain types of consenting adult behavior are allowed, but frankly, even if I don’t care for much of what he made years ago, the current crop of movies have been better than a few of you seem to realize. If I knew him, I’d probably hate him over stuff he did years ago too and I’m not his apologist, just pointing out that his recent parodies would be better received but for his past rather than criticism based on the works themselves.
What? Are you implying that Mike’s personal grudge against someone would influence his commentary? LOL.
That’s an excellent summation, Don. I agree, Rob Black’s current output is superior to most of the dreck out there right now.
Happy New Year, Cindi, Don, and everyone else who participates here at LIB — even Mike. It’s been a year or extraordinary events. I’m glad to have gotten to know many of you through this site, and I cannot wait to see what the new year brings. G-d bless.
you dunno the half of it…read my new exclusive…its a stunner.
Holy Shit! A German hasnt done that much conquering since Hitler…Happy New Year everyone.
Hitler was Austrian. You of all people should have got that one right, Larry. 😉
Yeah sure, he was a German Citizen when he invaded Poland. I dont want one man controlling all the porn…unless its the mob, you know, the good ole days ;).
Strange how this conversation has travelled all the way from Rob Black to Adolph Hitler. Is this like a frog leaping across the world or just to the next lilly pad? Enquiring minds wanna know. 😐
Btw,
Rob used to hand around those, what you could call “Gangsta Checks”. Why, you say? Because if you listened very carefully you’d swear you can hear one check saying to the other “Yo, homie, Let’s BOUNCE!”
hAHAha ! 😐
Thanks Michael. I just want to be fair about all this.
Hillbilly Mike, I wish you well with your medical issues (and happy belated birthday). Knee replacement sucks and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone from what I’ve seen of those having it done. Whatever our differences on numerous topics past and present, I truly hope you have a better year (this goes for everyone else too).
Hitler came round because Fabian the Fuhrer has wrapped his testicles around DP and of course is casting a hungry eye at Vivid. What gets me is why hasnt a non-porn company looked into buying some of these companies, I bet Mr South and Mr Whiteacre would know better. And would Fabian sink low enough to buy Jim Powers and his army of Sewer Rats?
If this industry doesn’t eat itself from the inside out maybe some day real business people will get a stake in porn and push all the douchebags out that are gutting it.
Then again with Manwin buying everyone out that may be happening now…
Karma, like it or not, most people consider anyone associated with the industry to be just as bad as the next. They make no distinction between Powers, Black, Harvey, Flynt, or anyone else.
As far as outside, reputable investors are concerned, most are not interested in all the headaches involved now that it isn’t easy money anymore.
That’s sad but true, Don. It’s easy to forget that all of us who follow adult industry goings-on are, to varying degrees, living inside the “porno bubble.” The orthodoxy of the media and the anti-porn forces makes little distinction between pornographers; they’re all either very vile or extremely vile — but they all make great copy.
Likewise, the only ones who take the “star” part of the “porn star” status seriously are people in their own little porno bubble. If word goes around that the neighbor’s daughter is a “porn star”, do you think they reflect on what heirachy she exists within the porno social order, the accolades or frequency she’s been involved?
Jeremy, their acceptance probably depends on the neighborhood. In a liberal community full of young folks, they are probably more accepting than an aging community in the Bible Belt but even then, few care about the distinctions some of us make regularly.
In the apartments I used to live at, there were a lot of college students and they would gather around the pool discussing the finer “pecking order” of porn status (the usual “Who’s a bigger star” type of talk one might find more frequently on a porn forum). This is not the norm for all of society but I think there are pockets of people where the status is recognized.
Well, I still think of Howard Stern laughing about the whole thing, and sending Beetlejuice to accept his award.
I couldn’t possibly ponder at a pool a personal porno pecking order. There’s way, way, way, way, way, way too many who have done it, literally come and go, and my favorites are usually the ones who are newer and/or video virgins and don’t even necessarily last long enough for the next awards show. The old adage Ron Sullivan shared about just being real while the camera is rolling, instead of “performing”; now that’s entertainment!
Jeremy, a lot of people in porn feel the same way and put brand new, often quite young, performers on a pedestal of sorts. I prefer women with some experience, some curves, and who show they are having fun (Brooklyn Lee, Jynx Maze, and Phoenix Marie all come to mind). If one only likes brand new faces (pun intended), many of them are already out of porn by the time their first movies come out; how many times do people go to the AEE and see some hot young thing before her movies have streeted?
But those who appreciate experience, and not just MILFs like Tanya Tate or Kylie Ireland, but gals like Jenna Haze, Teagan Presley, or Alexis Texas; all of them got better over time. Such conversations probably still take place over newcomers but those who have built up a reputation for solid performances are probably more likely to develop a fan base willing to extol their many virtues.
You make good points, Don. My point centers more on the “star” aspect of “porn star” that some porn idiot-elitists obsess about. And let me clarify, there’s nothing wrong with being a porn star or whore. Let’s just not have any stupid elitism, arrogance and ridiculous self-importance to go along with it (The “You’re not a ‘star’. She’s a ‘star’. How many awards have you won?” ‘barf-bag, please’ bullshit).
I would refer to the urban dictionary definition with the most popularity, which defines “Porn Star” as:
1. Porn Star 538 up, 78 down
A whore with a camera
mike: “sally fucked that guy for 10 dollars”
bob: “wow, what a whore”
mike: “yea, and they filmed it”
bob: “oh then in that case she’s a porn star”
key words: ron jeremy (“a man who gets more ass then a toilet seat”), peter north, sex, whore
Well played Jeremy. I’m not prone to calling many people in the industry stars, the idea that someone can lay there like a lump while being filmed earning the designation so easily has long struck me as ridiculous.
My issue with assigning the “star” title based on how many awards won is as much related to the quality of the majority of awards in the first place (see my post on the recent “Blue Screw Awards” for one example). Factors like quantity of work (someone with lower rates can work more), improbable “ratings” handed out by self serving PR types (does anyone believe that kind of thing isn’t manipulated? ask Sean for his take), or even fan votes that can be manipulated by voting akin to dead people in Chicago (ask Roger how his awards used to go) all show the troubles with that.
For the term to mean anything at all, some standard needs to be applied. I know this concept bothers a few folks out there but for me, it is a combination of people not involved in porn knowing who you are, the quality of their work, and the roles they play.
Actually, I think all performers are “porn stars” and I don’t think any standard needs to be applied; just recognition that the term “porn star” means or is supposed to mean something more and/or different than the sum of it’s parts. Porn completely changes then meaning of the word “star”, in the conventional, mainstream sense. I wrote an article for LIB once attempting to address the issue. It shouldn’t be looked down on but I think the language originally had a tounge-in-cheek meaning, just like awards ceremonies themselves did in the first place. Anyone can be a porn star; anyone willing to fuck on camera. Being a “porn star” may be looked at with awe by some, but with contempt by others. The consequences for having ever been a “porn star” can be all pervasive and life-long. Therefore, you can’t look at it the same way you look at mainstream “stars”. If they called infomercial actors, “infomercial stars”, do you think they would or should start taking themselves seriously and have awards ceremonies to declare who’s the biggest “star”?
There should be some sort of a distinction between a girl that made a sex scene with her husband/boyfriend and it got uploaded to the net and a girl that makes her living in the adult film community week after week for quite some time. Especially if the 2nd girl becomes someone that even folks that don’t have any interest in porn will recognize. Many folks know who Jenna Jameson or Bree Olson is even if they have never seen a porn movie in their life.
So “NO”list this guy then? isn’t he shooting with Alex Braun on the side too?
Jeremy, we’ll just have to agree to disagree then. For the term “star” to mean anything, it needs to reflect something more than a single performance that virtually no one has ever seen.
Rick, do many performers have the financial ability to turn down work these days? I understand if some are looking to have a payout for some particular act (anal, IR, gang bang, whatever) but absent terrible recent conduct, especially in this industry, I doubt many are positioned to be picky. And yes, he has worked out a distribution deal with Axel Braun so he appears on the surface to be moving up in the world while many others are closing their doors. I’m taking a wait & see approach on the behind the scenes drama but his parody work has been well received.
All it takes is one scene to be a “Porn Star” or star of porn/smut/fuck flicks/legalized prostitution. One flick of a girl you used to know sucking someone’s dick makes them permanantly branded a “Porn Star” and will always be an epithetical term amongst many masses or in most social situations. We’re taking this porn thing way too seriously. There are no advanced acting schools which teach camera techniques during deep throats. The porno universe has already exploded with stars, too innumerable to count, but each one counts, whether you can see it or have heard of it. Just ask the guy who jerked off to someone you never heard of. The fact is, if it’s been made, someone has seen it. Again, as I said in my op/ed, walk Hollywod Blvd and you’ll likely never even have heard of most of the mainstream stars on the sidewalk. So, are they not really stars, either?
permanently, whoops
Porn is my hobby so if I take it half as seriously as the sport lovers out there, I’m okay with that. But just so you know, I’m more than passingly familiar with the folks listed on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, especially those contemporary to me (60’s to now) and think that by and large, the vast majority of them earned their place of fame.
I’m not disputing whether any of these people deserve to be there, but I can’t honestly say I know of or have even heard of most of these people:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stars_on_the_Hollywood_Walk_of_Fame
Top 10 reasons why my last response to Don was put on moderation:
1. No reason
2-10. (see reason 1.).
Top 10 reasons Meltard’s post was put on moderation:
10 – It exceeded one million words.
9 – It had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of the thread.
8 – Nobody wants to read about his gay sex past.
7 – It wasn’t good enough.
6 – Cindi is tired of you attacking Monica.
5 – Who wants to read a post from a midget?
4 – You exceeded the 10,000 posts in an hour limit.
3 – Paranoid, anti-government rants have nothing to do with LIB.
2- Cuckolds shouldn’t be allowed on the internet.
And 1 – pissing you off has turned into sport for all, including Cindi.
Holy Shit! Hey Roypist, explain to your retard wife there’s no one here named Meltard or anyone who qualifies to have that name. Teach her how to count because no one has ever written a million word post so she should stop repeating that and showing how stupid she is. It’s evident you’re dumb, Roy (abusing and threatening multitudes of girls the same way and then claiming they’re all making it up). Thus some one marrying a lowlife such as you has to be dumberer. For her to be faithful to a piece of shit like you who has begged her to come on here has to make her at least as low as you. I won’t get into much detail how stupid and unfunny this post is to anyone reading it, however…
Pissed off? No. Cuckhold? No. I’m single. Paranoid? No. 10,000 posts in an hour? Nope. Midget? Nope. Talking about gay past? Typing one Million words? etc… No stupid. You’re not funny. Just stupid. But you’re too stupid to understand.
Stop showing how stupid you are, Chelsea. Seriously. You’re as stupid and low as Roy is fat.
Stop means NO… just like the girls who say that when the Roypist has his “auditions”.
Its funny that Chelsea and Roy are making jokes about why you might be on moderation when they are probably one of the biggest reasons you might be on moderation in the 1st place.
Its like the pot calling the kettle black.
Yeah, but as Cindi told me the last few times, I (and certainly others) go on moderation for absolutely no reason. This wordpress system is fucked up and she’s acknowledged that.
Germy “Meltard” Steele,
You are a midget, you are a closet homosexual, you are a cuckold, you are paranoid, you are a piece of shit and you are a loser, in denial, living a pathetic hand to mouth existence and everybody knows that. Everything that my wife Jet Tits said about you is absolutely correct and spot-on. I didn’t ask her to come on LIB message board and bash you, she does that because she likes fucking with you. You can run your mouth and spread bullshit, lies and rumors about me, but nobody cares. Nobody gives a shit about what you have to say, you have zero credibility, bitch. You are a waste of time, space, welfare resources and oxygen. Your father should be ashamed of you, very, very ashamed. Fuck you, you fucking fuck. Piss off and die.
Seriously, if only Chelsea Romero had the mental aptitude to realize how fucked up she is and how bad it makes her look to say that “Who wants to read a post from a midget?”. Midgets are technically anyone under 4’10”, so I got that beat by at least a long cock’s length, although I’d serve as a good middle man for any tall guy wanting to start up a conversation with one. Your attacks keep missing me, but keep revealing how unfunny and low you are, Mrs. Roypist Garcia. Meanwhile, you’ve got dwarfs at home reading your shit and sharpening their knives.
I’ve already addressed the midget issue, Roy. Use those two fingers you use to type with to count and teach your wife. You’re calling me a “closet homosexual” when you tweet how you’re “in love” with the gay talent you shoot, while having your camera close enough to smell it. You’ve still never explained who’s tweeting all your intimate shooting details and giving advanced notice of what you’re shooting if it’s not you. You’re the one obsessed with cock sizes, mailing pictures of your little shrimp dick to Wankus and bragging about the dick you don’t have but wish you did. There’s not one single person in porn land who has anything nice to say about you. Everyone cares to know about people who r*pe talent, force sex, mouth off to industry people and retaliate by sending copies of girls’ movies to their parents and boyfriends who dump you as your abusive, meddling agent. And as soon as you can provide some footage of me sucking and fucking cock like you said is “common knowledge” but which no one can find, I will apologize, take back everything I ever said about you and star in your next gay bareback creampie gangbang for free.
I hope Wankus prays for your soul because I wouldn’t want to meet my God if I was you.
You’ve taken pleasure in perpetually and maliciously attacking innumerable people in this industry from your cowardly stance for many years now. Death is too good for you, Roy. You need to be tortured first, bitch.
Jeremysteele11: “I can’t honestly say I know of or have even heard of most of these people”
Funny, I am at least passingly familiar with almost all of them or the works they were in (at least some of them). Even a quick glance at the list provided shows why most were listed as “stars” of their field. Contrast that with the largely generic performances of yourself and many of your peers (some of whom have earned “star status” but not most). As far as why you’re often moderated, ask Cindi.
Back on topic, time will tell if Black reverts to form. Those that post here are acquainted with enough of the industry to keep tabs vicariously, yes?
Generic? Ouch! Funny you say that because if you buy a generic brand of something it’s the same exact ingredients, minus the hooplah’d label which is supposed to make it much more valuable and cool to have. I would suggest that the next time you rent a date try some generic brand viagra. It’s exactly the same as viagra, except a lot cheaper.
As for mainstream stars, I guess I must’ve turned on, tuned in, dropped out, as far as knowing who the hell they all are.
Jeremy, if it soothes your ego to think your performances are as good as those more recognized, by all means enjoy that belief. Hold it closely and don’t share it with anyone, lest they dare to tell you different. 😉
Hollywood stars are such a big part of our collective culture that I’d really be surprised if you did not know a great many of them though, despite your protestations.
I have no ego to soothe, Don. You’re just jealous because I perfected the lie-on-top-and-smother-her missionary position, and the don’t-tell-me-to-open-up,-i’m-busy doggie style position.
I also had my own Adam Film World Directory picture bio in 1998 which said “This young buck has made quite a mark for himself as a meat rod who can deliver the spunk on cue. …In an industry built on cum shots, Steele is the mortar that the porn business is held together with. He makes up for his somewhat short stature with an extra big dick. His always reliable money shots are the foundations that fuck and suck empires are built upon.”
The point is, if I’m gonna be dissed by people both inside the industry who take “star” status so seriously, as well as those outside the industry, who think that anyone who’s done porn should not be invited home to meet the parents, and hang the same “star” status on you as an epithet, in spite of what conoisseurs of the sewer such as you have to say, then give me my rightful “star” status, dammit! Or… I’m gonna cry. Boo-fucking-hoo.
Let’s have a lesson in oxymorons, morons…
Examples:
1. Jumbo Shrimp (unless the shrimp has a big dick)
2. Military Intelligence. (intelligent people know war’s a scam started by the rich for the rich, fought by the poor)
3. Political Correctness (Confuscius say being political is not correct)
4. Microsoft Works (Microsoft doesn’t work)
5. Peace Force (You can’t force peace)
6. Random Order (There is no order in randomness)
7. Near Miss (It’s a near hit, or miss, not near miss)
8. Personal Computer (Everything on the net you do is being watched).
9. Good Grief (What’s so good about grief?)
10. Friendly Fire (Explanation not necessary)
11. Civil War (“Pardon me, I am going to shoot you, now”?)
12. Obama Care.
13. Porn Star (You’re in porn. You’re a legalized prostitute. No Ph’d necessary. Get over yourself. Your date doesn’t want to invite you home to meet the parents since she discovered you on the net).
¿Comprende?
Hey there little Germy, did you write that “Adam Film World Directory” piece yourself, or did your gay boyfriend Steve Tuck wrote that for you? Quoting some bullshit line, written 14 years ago in a web site that nobody has ever heard of in order to prove that you’re relevant. Sounds like winning. NOT. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, bukkake punk.
Larry Whores,
I’m glad you decided to browse through my web sites and find interesting stuff. Have fun, amigo.
Hahahahaha, that you had to dig so deep and the best you could come up with is a 14 year old obscure reference in a defunct magazine is telling. When a significant amount of people go out of their way to see your performances, you can credibly call yourself “star”. This does not include the ones here who seek out your gay/bi/tranny or whatever niche genre stuff you’ve done that you hate being reminded of so often. Heck, do you even still appear in scenes outside of gang bangs anymore? 😉
You know, Don “where’s the lube?” Houston, I’ve asked myself why pathetic Fan Bois like yourself (and our friends at XPT) are often so filled with malice and sadism, and the reasons seem painfully obvious. Your girlfriend is your right or left palm, you’re very lonely and your keybord warrior bravery is but a sad attempt to compensate for the bravery you lack in both telling someone off in person or approaching a female who you already know in advance is going to reject you unless you whip out a wad of cash.
I’ve proven myself to at least someone once. I’ve also been at an Oscar winning actor’s house once who told me he likes my work and was told by another very high level mainstream celebrity that I’m actually his favorite “porn Star”, believe it or don’t. Regardless, lots of once big names and companies are now “defunct”. How many times do I have to repeat myself in the act? I voluntarily left the business for a couple of years before that ’98 bio came out, which showed what the business meant to me at the time.
“Porn Star” is an oxymoron, except to morons like yourself who live, breathe, eat, drink, shit and fart porn. But, hey, that’s your abnormality. Don’t judge me and I won’t judge you. Have you ever heard of “Less is more”? I’ve turned down work and I’ve turned down working in this business because it wasn’t worth it to me.
As far as your gay/bi/tranny jibe, this business is more convoluted gay/bi/tranny-wise than ever before, between the kinds of shit so-called “straight” companies shoot, the focus on male ascetics, and all the cosmetic surgeries which make trannies and women look at times indistingushible.
And why the fuck would anyone remind me so often of something which happened once in 1999? Only malice filled, lonely losers like yourself would feel the burning need. Jesus Christ, what performers have done lots more than that who are still around?
Mr. North won gay and straight performer of the year in the same year once. And no one gives a shit.
As for gangbangs, why is it that scumbags always prove they’re scumbags by selectively choosing only that which they want to see, while trying to fool themselves and others that they’re being honest? The last scene I wrote about on LIB was a boy/girl scene: https://www.lukeisback.com/?p=18034 (Hey Cindi, it looks like photos in archives are not showing). I haven’t been a gangbang in quite a while.
I’m virtually retired, btw. Is that o.k. with you? I forgot to get your permission when I choose to leave the business in mid-1997. Sorry about that. I’m sorry I didn’t keep doing more scenes so I could prove to dipshits like you that I’m a real “Porn Star”.
Now, if only the real world, which more often than not, considers “porn star” to be an epithet, would agree with you.
Btw, is that a winking eye or the one closed shut after being punched in the face, if you actually spoke that way to someone in person?
You’re just angry Roy because “little Germy”‘s dick is alot bigger than yours as well as my porn resume for work I got hired (versus big belly p.o.v.s).
Keep telling me how much size matters, LittleDickDumbass. Bukkake boy? Hmmm, no bukkake’s here: http://www.data18.com/jeremy_steele/
You’re also angry at Larry for pointing out you very rarely update the content on your pathetic site. Hey, foolio, you’re supposed to come on as BDD right away everytime your name is brought up.
Count all the bukkakes, Roy Garcia: http://classicmovies.com/porn-star/8251/Jeremy-Steele.html
As I said to HoustonDon, “why is it that scumbags always prove they’re scumbags by selectively choosing only that which they want to see, while trying to fool themselves and others that they’re being honest?”
Jeremy, you retired because companies stopped hiring you unless they were desperate when better talent (you know, virtually everyone else in porn) flaked or the budget only allowed for someone of your abilities. That you feel the need to turn every thread into one centering on yourself is why you get moderated so often, your comparison to North as laughable as those conspiracies you so often espouse. Enjoy life and be well, I’m sure you believe what you claim above (and I’d have no problems telling you any of that to your face, ask around about my willingness to confront mopes). Best Wishes!
No Don, I retired because I was attempting to have a normal relationship outside of porn. What makes you think you know me? Which conspiracy do you think is laughable? It’s laughable that Osama Bin Laden did this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A And threads most of the time go on moderation for no reason, as Cindi admits. It’s a glitch in the system.
… and there’s no way I would’ve turn down doing a scene for John Leslie (who was raving about the b/g/g I had last done before) who called trying to book me after I retired, if what you’re saying is true DumbDon.
I noticed you boinked alot of fatties Jeremy. Do you prefer working with the large ladies or was it just a coincidence that it turned out that way?
Germy Steele is retired until the next time the phone rings and some asshole producer wants to book him to fuck a fat, old, ugly whore with a stinking pussy in a cheap dirt scene, because nobody else will do it, but GERMY STEELE WILL DO IT.
Karmafang,
Germy Steele doesn’t choose to fuck fat chicks, that’s all he can get, and a man’s gotta eat. 200 bucks will buy you a lot of groceries.
It wasn’t that I preferred them, but at one period I was working for Tony Malice and Neslon, who got me dirt cheap. And they said AVN raved about both my acting and fuck performances and being all around entertaining so they hired me alot. I finally got fed up when they’d hire me for $75.oo b/j scenes and I told them not to hire me anymore. I was under the impression for some reason that I had kind of paid my dues. Instead that shit was turned against me and used to define me.
Btw, I noticed, with Don, I went from being amongst a large generic bunch, to being virtually the last one anyone would hire within one thread. I also wonder about the veracity of the statement that he’s a real man who talks to “lesser” talent face to face like bitches the way he boasts on the internet. If this is true, I’d like to know who you’ve spoken to like that, Donny. I sure hope you don’t turn out to be the new Donkey of the internet…
Nelson, whoops
Steele, that site said you were black, I now think, since you are black that a civil rights case can be made against Roy/Peter and BDD, since any comments about you…and Monica are racially based.
Just read this:
“I also had my own Adam Film World Directory picture bio in 1998”
I dont even know where to begin. . . . . .
Karma, I remember he was used in a lot of chunky chick titles once upon a time too. In and of itself, I don’t think that’s such a big deal because big gals need love too and but from what he’s now telling us, he was probably worth the $75 when others cost much more (reaffirming my earlier comments) and that was all he could get in terms of the kind of work (for the most part). That he knew he was “dirt cheap” to producers and admits it now makes the generic mope sound less medicated than yesterday too, even if he is still a tad sensitive to teasing comments.
At least Steele got paid by those scumbags, I think Dino Bravo probably got less, and I bet if Thrust was used he had to be the lighting guy and move the equipment for his money. I would imagine Rod Fontana got a higher rate as if you did not pay Rod he would kill you. One time these cheap ass fuckers didnt even bring soap to the set so performers couldnt wash off in the shower with anything other than hot water. I hope they had soap when Ginger Jones was used, for a large woman Ginger was not that bad looking, except those sharp choppers she had in her mouth.
BDD, by all means just jump right in and give us your thoughts.
Larry, at any given time, there are a handful of “regulars” in the male performing populace. Those are the guys in demand by various companies, not just low budget production houses churning out niche titles. After that, the quality level drops off pretty fast regardless of some hastily penned bone thrown to a mope years ago.
To paraphrase Don(jerking off in)Houston-
“Wow, you’re a star! I jerk off to you most frequently”.
Ba-ha-ha! Loser.
Let your brown star shine. Say, “Hi, Mom!” You’re a ****S*T*A*R***!!!
What an Oxy-Moron!
We’re all made of star stuff, literally; and we all shine on.
That’s right, Larry. I’m black. Well, I was told I was an African slave in a past life, once. And Lord, the trouble I’ve seen… There are a lot of genii in porn, what kind I say?
jeremy brought up b/j scenes. I’m curious as to what male talent gets for b/j only scenes?
It’s normally $200.00 or so per scene, which is what Malice paid for a b/g scene. If you’re working for Skintight it’s $75.00 to the guys for a b/j scene. Plus, they’ll stick jam up your ass!
Btw, I’ll finally be putting out pretty soon my Greed In Porn, Pt. 2 opinion/editorial after a year and half delay. For those who have been waiting for it, my apologies.
Pornfan, male talent gets paid according to what the producers perceive as their worth, usually a LOT more than $75. By his own admission, Jeremy was paid vastly substandard wages and it came to define him; hence his insecurity about not being called a “star” and abnormal number of posts in all sorts of threads where he turns every subject into something about him.
Don, you have no clue how much talent, male and female, work or have worked cheap jobs as favors to those companies that don’t pay that much, especially if they’re either not working that day or had a better paying gig at another time of day. The big shit jobs and little turd ones all add up. Skintight paid all their talent the same third- world rate. Don’t give me they pay you what you’re worth bullshit, you turdhead. And some do this shit for the sport/experience. Some don’t give a fuck about “star” status. I thought I was doing them a favor as a start-up company, and again because I was like “whatever” if I wasn’t working that day, I did it. Again, I have no insecurity about being call a ‘star’ or not. This whole “Porn Star” shit is retarded, as the term is still an epithet to most of the mainstream world, at least publically, speaking. I don’t make every thread about me! Btw, check out my hackey sack moves! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBU9YXbsMVo Again, I have absolutely no problem not being called a porn star. However, that’s EXACTLY what I’m called by those who think lesser of me for having been in porn, as well others who don’t have a problem with porn or porn “stars”. “No, I wasn’t a porn star. I only did it about 1,000 times. I’m low on the totum pole. So, now can I date your daughter?”.
Get some better lube, Don. It sounds like you’ve been rubbing yourself the wrong way.
Jeremy, you yourself stated how much you made and that you had a reputation for working cheap as it came to define you to others. As an aside, I am also familiar with general rates for males and females as well as many who will give a specific project a break under the right conditions, performers talk about it all the time.
The high end talent generally does not work for cut rate amounts like that now and certainly not back in the heyday of the industry when you were most active, the majority of your ~250 to 300 flicks considered low end. I’m glad you are otherwise gainfully employed given your relative lack of success in the porn industry though, stay well.
Don’t try to be sly, guy. I stated how much Malice paid EVERYONE… REPEAT.. EV-RY-1! I never addressed his name as “Others”, you jackass. As I said, plenty of performers do different paying gigs, if they’re available that day or hour. And all those movie lists on the internet have always been a small percentage of the works that a performer has done, not just internet, photo and other non-movie gigs, including shit that people shoot but don’t successfully sell, but dvds and/or vhs’s that they miss. I’ve worked for $500.00 countless times and even higher (up to $800.00 per scene and higher for a few magazine gigs). I’ve done ok for an industry that I VOLUNTARY chose to leave because I had enough of it.
The fact is, there are some pathologically greedy and backstabbing fucks in this business, including ones that can’t honor their word, despite it’s frequent repetition.
Stay tuned for my “Greed in Porn op/ed Pt. 2” cumming soon in your face! It’s been building up for quite a while and is ready to EXPLODE!
Jeremy, I’m not trying to be sly. Take a step back and remember your economics lessons: businesses pay employees what they can, often based on perceived worth. Free lance employees take what work they feel pays them enough, most high end talent skipping on companies that do not pay them enough. That is why certain people worked for certain companies like clockwork (newcomers might work for them initially but as soon as they get established, they never look back for the most part).
These days, there are enough performers willing to work almost anywhere to pick up enough scenes to elevate their outcall rates or feature dancing credentials because times are tough. But back in your heyday, the internet work was not as prevalent or profitable and working for employers that paid substandard rates (even if they did so to “EVERYONE” as you claim) enough resulted in lowering your perceived worth (you said so yourself, don’t blame the messenger).
For what it’s worth, I look forward to reading your new op-ed. I might poke a bit of fun at you on occasion and find your conspiracy theories outlandish but some of your industry directed rants are quite entertaining (and I don’t mean that as a backhanded compliment).
I have not taught economics lessons, you butt smudge. You keep making this about me. When I addressed the “star” issue in porn, you made this about whether I’m supposedly a star versus addressing the silly issue, in and of itself. Obviously, you’re being an asshole and ending it with “Wish you well”. And currently, I’m addressing (and will soon expand upon) greedy lowlifes, not “perceived worth”. As for “perceived worth” you can’t expect lowlives to perceive much worth in anyone or anything except what they can take. That reflects their worth, not mine. When someone bounces a check, you can call that their “perception of your worth”, but I am not responsible for their actions. And multi-national fucking corporations express their “perceived worth” of the workers they exploit for pennies a day. You’re in your own delusional little fantasy and projecting you’re imaginary bullshit on me. People work and have worked for different levels of employers. When I first got in the biz I followed the advice of several who said don’t work for less than a certain amount, but I realized later I gave up a lot of work and burnt a lot of contacts from that, so later on I just took higher and lower work, depending. I’ve also done photo shoots “back in the day”, some were on the net and my pay was comparable and at times better to other scenes.
And name just one “conspiracy theory” that’s outlandish that you claim I’ve proffered in all seriousness? What about the official conspiracy theory, that a man in a cave and a bunch of suicidal hijackers caused a complete collapse of our multi-billion dollar, high-tech defense system, and towers to blow up and outward into white powder, etc? How’d Osama cause a stand-down at the Pentagon to let that missle hit it (no photos of any plane anywhere)?
Stop pretending you’re smart… that’s not wise on your part.
I suppose addressing what appears to be a public school dropout on the basics of economics is silly, especially given his lack of reading comprehension. As in most threads here, you jump in to make it all about you or otherwise derail topics. By the time they reach your age, most people have either learned something about economics in school, college, or “real life”.
Whether you’re just being obtuse or simply clueless, even you realized that you gained a reputation for being “dirt cheap” (your words) and it backfired on you: “Instead that shit was turned against me and used to define me” and “I realized later I gave up a lot of work and burnt a lot of contacts” (again, your words) when you tried to take a stand. You ended up working mostly for companies that paid you squat and those “burnt bridges” of yours resulted in keeping you in your place while others rose to stardom. Is that what bugs you so much?
The original press release was for the return of Rob Black to porn, a number of his latest movies seen as well made. People took exception to his personal attributes and the likelihood he would return to form given those he associates with. It’s fair to ask questions like how many performers did the guy short, how does he currently treat them, and are his movies any good. It’s less fair for people like you to project your own inability to secure equal payment from those who would hire you on any sort of regular basis as though Black was personally responsible. Get some rest sparky, you clearly need it before you impress us all with your latest op/ed piece beating the war drum about the evils of Capitalism in porn. As I said, I look forward to reading it, even if it is another whiny conspiracy theory without credible support.
I’m sorry Jeremy, I gotta take Houstondon’s side. You’ve have waaaay more than 100 scenes under your belt. Girls like you, you got a surreal sense of humor, you’re handsome and you got a big cock. Why the FUCK are you not filming and producing your own content–like your buddy Manuel Ferrara?
If James Deen can do it, why can’t you? C’mon son!
James Deen is jewish right?
Germy, start telling people you are jewish. See if that helps!!
What part of Houston are you the Don of, HoustonDon? I did not drop out of public school. I did four years in College starting at age 17, when I was still not legally old enough to do all the so-called “adult” stuff. I got all ‘A’s in my debate major, but there is no debate here.
Because I said I worked for a specific cheap bastard didn’t mean I gained a reputation for being dirt cheap, as you repeatedly insist. What backfired was working for the creator of Donkey Punch. Do you know what Donkey Punch is? That’s when a girl gets fucked in the ass doggie style and then the male performer is instructed to punch the girl hard in the side of the head!!! The creator of this “entertainment” is the same one who turned the fact that I worked for him around to use it against me and define me after I choose to stop working for him. I’m talking about his personal perceptions projected out, not saying the whole business ever agreed with him. You’re taking what I said and spreading it out to the entire industry but you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your missive is full of wasted words and obnoxiousness posing as intellectualism which fails to sway or see the light of day, so in “short”, as you like to call me, go fuck yourself. Already you’re assuming what I’m going to write about. It’s not about Capitalism in Porn, it’s Greed in Porn. Do you think there’s a difference?
Thanks Origen. I had invested all I had in a porn documentary project and other related projects being mishandled by a non-producer and one day I’ll address him and that whole issue in depth.
You should try worshipping Buddhism, “BDD”; their God is shaped just like you.
Origen, he’s not even close to the same league as Ferrara is and knows it. His listed credits speak volumes regarding the majority of his work, his continued comments proving that he agreed to work for specific companies at a lower rate than proved prudent.
That he thinks I’m the one promoting the industry’s perception of his worth, former or current, is telling but you can tell by his answers that he has a chip on his shoulder about it. Maybe that’s why he has jumped into so many threads over the years to try and make them about him. If he considers that stance an intellectual one rather than a general observation, I’d suggest he sue his former educators for a refund.
I already work in the business. You are the one that needs help. You are pathetic.
You can say whatever you like, Don. Your opinion of me is none of my business.
BDD, he won’t understand. He never does…
And look at the scumbag you’re talking to, acting as a pal with, DumbDon. Your swimming with the bottom sediments in porn history whilst talking shit about moi?
I think Casey Anthony is looking for a baby-sitter job. Maybe you should call her.
Duh… Winning!
I see that college education shining through. The best a so-called educated debater can come up with is personal attacks?!? Wow, that makes your claims soooo much more believable.
I’ve already addressed the issue and you started with the personal attacks when I was addressing issues that had nothing to do with me. Oh stop with the sooooo shit, that’s soooo gay. Next insult…
Not quite. I pointed out that most performances are generic and you took that as a personal slight. The conversation devolved from there and your issues with others began taking over. For the record, I never suggested you were gay, enjoyed your homoerotic experiences, or engaged in off camera gay for pay activities; others did that (and I don’t care about said experiences).
The issue as I have made it, is regarding “Porn Star” status. I still maintain that it applies to all those who have had sex on film and or/video. Again, as you said, we can agree to disagree, but there is no ultimate fucking truth in this nonsense. Because you claim most scenes are “generic” does not mean they’re not “porn stars”. The day (which likely will never come) that the term “porn star” is no longer considered to be an epithet and/or joke within social circles, then PERHAPS, just MAYBE, your dream may come true, and the world, as a whole, will start delineating it’s heirarchical status upon all performers, regarding who’s a real porn “STAR” and who’s not…. but still many will laugh at you, anyway.
We can agree to disagree about “star” status then (but I have no dreams regarding the term, just a working knowledge of relative value as evidenced by numerous factors). Best Wishes.
the word “porn star” is a generic term anyway. to be a true “porn star” one must be a household name to begin with. “porn stars” were john holmes,seka,amber-ginger lynn,ron jeremy,jenna jamison,traci lords, the list goes on. just because some guys and girls nowadays, have a few movies under there belts, are classified as “porn stars”. kaycee jordan and bree olsen i guess are now household names, after their charlie sheen incident. remember the key words for “porn star” is household name.
Beer party at the hard rock! Las vegas…who’s got the smoke??.