OP/ED by Cindi
First we have to define crossover performers. Any guy who currently or recently works on both the staight & gay side is definitely an active crossover performer. The big danger here being that the gay side doesn’t do monthly testing, and the rumor is that there are several gay performers who are HIV +
But thing get sticky from there…
If a guy works with transexual performers & straight performers he is often lumped in with being a gay/straight crossover performer but (according to my TS expert & friend) Wendy Williams says "Yes we as TS stars are required to have current test as the females do " Many other T/S performers agreed that they test every month. Mandy Mitchell says " all my shoots are tested (condom or no)" So if a guy is having sex with T/S’s & straight side female talent and all are tested monthly, why would that guy still be considered a crossover performer?
If a guy USED to do gay scenes, but doesn’t anymore and now only does straight scenes, he is a straight performer, right? (Many people say they are we worried about his off camera activity, but how do we know what ANYONE does off camera?)
If a performer does sex scenes out of the US, especially with a T/S (they do not test in Brazil etc) or gay partner, should they be quarentined before they can even be in a US scene?
What if female talent on the straight side does sex scenes with T/S’s? What if female straight talent is dating or living with a male crossover performer?
So we can’t even come up with a clear definition of who should be considered a Crossover Performer. ( If someone can, send it over)
There are some performers like ChristianX & Wolf Hudson, who openly admit they play both sides of the field. Honesty is always the best way to go in my opinion, but they get ridiculed for it.
There are some male talent who DO straight & T-girls and it just isn’t known to the general porn population. There are some performers who get outted by pissed off female talent when they find out they have just had sex with someone who fits their definition of a crossover performer.
A recent Twitter battle was going on between Lizz Tayler & "new Talent" Antonio Giovanni. Anthonio did a scene for Bang Brothers with Briana Banks, Diamond Foxxx & Aubrey Addams. It was then found out that Anthony "used" to be Ty Roderick, a performer on the gay side, and according to Lizz he had done a scene on the gay side 24 days earlier. Anthony finally admitted that he did the scene, says he’s sorry, didn’t realize it was such a big deal. When someone mentioned "Cameron Reed" aka Derrick Burts, Antonio had no idea who that was.
So to wrap this up…
What criteria should be used to define a crossover performer?
Should we make a list of those that fit the definition and post it?
Who do you think should be on that list?
There is hypocrisy all around about this. On that “other site” it was pointed out that Derek Hay sent out a email shortly after Patient Zeta happened that stated his models would no longer work with crossover talent an encouraged other licensed agents to follow his lead, yet he has two female performers that work regularly for Jake Cruise and Next Door Male having sex with performers that are work almost exclusively in the gay side of the industry. Shy Love sent out an email outing Derrick Burts girlfriend as still working in the industry and claiming she was still with Burts while warning and advising others NOT to work with her, yet Shy Love has Antonio Giovanni/Ty Roderick on her roster of talent not to mention a few girls that also work with Jake Cruise and Next Door Male. Most of the straight scenes on Jake Cruise are condomless and many of those guys have worked in bareback gay porn.
Bang Bros uses crossover talent and after all the Patient Zeta mess that happened, nothing changed that after claims that it would. Porn Wiki Leaks has numerous links of Bang Bros performers actively working in gay porn (A LOT of them working simultaneously on the Bang Bros network of gay sites).
Why shouldn’t they be “outed”. The female talent has the right to know who they are working with and what their past/present is and they should also have the option to not work with that person if they so choose to do so.
This guy is getting slammed but I don’t see the same venom for a lot of other crossover performers that are working both sides of the industry. Ryan Driller got two Superman parts for Vivid and as far as I know is still working in gay porn as Jeremy Bilding and is also escorting. Gabriel D’Allesandro has worked in NUMEROUS straight productions and is now actively working for SX Video which was considered a skid row studio in the gay porn industry for HIV+ performers. Mark Frenchy works for them as well.
If you have a cock and the person that you are having sex with also has a cock (even transexuals) then you should not also be taking jobs on the straight side.
Also if you do any work in Brazil then for sure that should be a second warning flag even if its boy/girl work because there is little to no testing down there.
They test in Brazil…things have changed some since 2004. NL- It was a Brazilian journalist who told me today that they don’t test, at least not T/S.
CINDI ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? Any and all fags should not work on the straight side ever because of the risk that is not fair to the straights. If you ever did a gay scene you are a fucking faggot, end of story, no discussion. Derek Hay, Cameron Reid, Christianx, Mark Spiegler, Mike South and all these other ass clowns need a good old fashion ass kicking is what they need.
That “other site” http://www.pornwikileaks.com that is shocking the world is there because of these faggots, need I say more?
Stay tuned for an old record commented thread to be re-opened in lieu of some new news. In the meantime, ever wonder why the Jack n the box guy has a smiling ball head similar to that pictured guy with the bag over his head? Remember the e-coli deaths and subsequent 99 cent jumbo jack menu following a lame and lifeless corporate commercial apology? The jack n the crack celebrity commerical “comedic” “hero” conceals his identity for a good fuckin’ reason. Jack is still mc’nasty!
Hey, Donny, unlike you I am not in hiding. I am easy to find and I attend most industry functions. I DARE YOU to step up to me and kick my ass.
In the real world you are nothing but a keyboard warrior and a fucking PUSSY.
When Derrick Pierce confronted you face to face in your own studio you couldn’t look him in the eyes and you just stood there looking at the floor and MUMBLING APOLOGIES!
Keep on hiding. SISSY!
http://donnylongisaconvictedfelon.com/
All that aside, Mark what is your opinion on the issue?
Donny, you and I both know that you will never show yourself in public again.
Have Briana Banks, Diamond Foxxx & Aubrey Addams been asked if they care about whom they may possibly give HIV/AIDS to (I.E. A boyfriend-husband)?! I would believe the boyfriend-husband would be fairly angry at the least to learn about this.
chichiladouche,
For safety reasons Spieglergirls trys to avoid having our girls work with guys who have recently done gay porn (i.e. guys that have worked in gay porn within the last 3 to 6 months).
Other than that I say live and let live.
Brazil has to be quarantined and some guys outright banned, Nacho Vidal comes to mind. RK, Bang Bros and Score are playing with fire. Trannyfucker and the Earl have a lot to answer for too, same for any agent that books girls with crossovers without them knowing. Axel Braun gets a big thumbs down for his casting choices. Driller still hangs with his gay peeps. Desi, keep your mouth shut, you and Donny yelling at each other is like two old whores fighting. Sadly Derrick Burts proves that you cant trust a crossover even if C3X says you can if he’s tested. Also girls who do bi films should be watched test wise, and anyone who works with Tom Moore, who helped gived us 2009s Patient X. This guy looks like a twink btw, but that’s just me in a very poor Nazi Professor kind of way.
“That “other site” http://www.pornwikileaks.com that is shocking the world is there because of these faggots, need I say more?”
That site uses cross overs as an excuse to terrorize people in porn lets not kid ourselves. They had Aria’s id posted the girl never did b/g, another girl’s fan asked for her to be removed never did b/g all pwl did was fuck with her. Other’s made the mistake of coming to that board asking to be removed and all they got was fucked with. There are a ton of small mom pop websites owners and models on pwl’s. Who know nothing about this la bullshit but made the mistake of trusting aim for their testing. And god forbid they come asking to removed. Even though they have nothing to do with crossover or anything to do with LA porn. Its fuck with the whores time.
The shame is Donny, if you went about pwl professionally and it really was about cross overs. You would of gotten respect and actually would of been a resource of info. Not one person I spoke with disagrees with crossovers shouldn’t happen. Guys shouldnt be fucking guys and then girls on the same 30 day aim test.
All TS shoots are tested shoots. If I show up to do a scene with out a test, I will get sent home. I don’t get the backlash that comes with working with a TS when most of these female performers escort more than the ts performers do. I am more comfortable working with other TS performers than than non ts, to be honest.
Ty Roderick was engaged to Tranny Mia Isabella for about a year up until April 2011. Mia is the one starting all this trouble for Ty. She is jealous he got into mainstream straight porn. Mia is working thru Lizz Tayler to fuck up Ty’s career. The fact is when it comes to problematic porn Tranny porn is just as bad or worse than Gay porn. Mia thinks she got Ty his start but he was on his way up long before he met Mia. Erica Icon of The RUB PR (Mia’s publicist) didn’t help things by telling Ty to hide his gay and tranny performance background. Ty (Anthony A) was set up by Mia and her bitches. Lizz Tayler should be very careful about becoming another of Mia’s pawns. Mia’s a MAN! Go get em Antonio!
Related story:
http://lukeford.com/2011-04-21/is-derek-hay-pimping-hiv-exposed-escorts/
Hey Mark you hid from me for 2 years while I lived in Los Angeles talking shit about you in public, on sets,parties, and online and only started talking shit online back to me after I moved back to Florida where I was out of arm reach of you. Your the only chicken shit keyboard warrior Mr Pigler. Hey, rape any more little boys lately? Hey nice wiki http://www.pornwikileaks.com/wiki/Mark_Spiegler
Annndd that’s your problem Donny. Pornshooter made an excellent, excellent point. If you’re childish, hateful, bullying ways didn’t constantly get the better of you, you might have been able to make a difference. PWL isn’t about outing teh gayz, it’s about hate and ugliness and harrassing not only performers but their families too. Trust me, if Monica Foster ever makes good on her suicide threats, then PWL will finally draw the attention of people capable of doing something about it. I was going to post the personal information of your mom and dad (read it in the XPT shoutbox during your useless attack on Friday)every single place I could, then something happened. I looked at Mrs. Fartz, then looked at Fartz Jr., then took a long hard look in the mirror and realized that I would just be making a big ole’ Donny Long of myself.
Now, go ahead and call me MarkMikeSpieglerSouthHIVchildrapist. The fact that you act like those are the only two people on the planet that san see just how low down and pathetic you are only speaks to your stupidity on a greater level.
Donny, the ONLY people that ever HID FROM YOU were the scared little Asian girls that you seem to like to beat up.
Hid from YOU? I have been at every major industry function or party since the mid 1990s – and I never saw you at any of them.
I used to thing you were just a big mouth. However, now I have come to the conclusion that you are merely out of your mind. The next thing you are going to claim is that you are Napoleon!
You always write that you “mastered porn.” Hell dude, you couldn’t even master wiping your own ass: http://www.efukt.com/20635_Hygiene_fail.html
Apologies for the bad grammar in the last post, I was pretty worked up and my fingers where going about 10X faster than my brain.
Joeknow, this is your chance to take some potshots. C’mon, I know you have some choice words for your lifelong buddy Fartz.
@Fartz chances are if someone takes their own life over PWL. It wont be someone on the boards or twitter. It will be some small website owner or model who got a aim test and they are on the pwl. They live in the middle of nowhere and some family member sees their name up there or does a google search which creates alot of pain for them. Be it losing kids or getting fired from a job,thrown out of housing etc,etc. Now in LA nobody really gives a shit but in Idaho it would be a very different story
I knew a girl did cute cheesecake type nude pics. Like the old forties calenders. When she did them she used her real name because they were so innocent. Cut to 5 yrs later someone at her job found them she was fired and those were just nude not explicit.
Donny has no idea how many lives he is ruining while trying to get back at a few people. It’s a shame.
Well, I know I’m not the only one that saw the things posted on the XPT shoutbox Friday, so methinks that Donny may get a shot of his own medicine coming up here (there’s talk of mother’s day cards and whatnot). But you know what? Although it’s very internet-ish to take joy in something like that, I really don’t think Donny’s family deserves to be harrassed any more than performer’s families. It would be cruel, bitter justice and only appeasing to someone without a fucking soul (like Donny!).
Interesting points pornshooter33 but for the most part doesn’t someone’s family member/friend/etc… find out one way or another porn wikileaks or not? I remember the old Seymore Butts show on Showtime when he was trying to convince a girl not to get into the industry him telling a story about some girl that lived in a tiny town and she did one title and didn’t tell a soul and someone still found out.
I do wonder how many producers, agents, or directors tell these girls and guys of the risks in terms of people in their lives finding out. I’ve heard one producer say “IF YOU DON’T WANT YOUR FRIENDS OR FAMILY FINDING OUT YOU DO PORN, THEN DON’T DO PORN”, but I wonder if other producers and agents are telling girls that. With the internet, nothing is private anymore. That doesn’t justify PWL but at the same time there are lots of websites that post real names of pornstars.
See you’re thinking big LA porn. Alot people do a few scenes for some website not a huge one and do nothing else.These arent pornstars. If they keep their mouth shut very little chance anyone knows. Guys who shoot pov,these people the chance is very unlikely they will be found unless they choose to share. With the internet ,LA and Miami arent largest producers of over all content. Small web owners are, look at clips4 sale alone.How many producers do they have? These people arent giving their 2257 out to the world, they pretty much control the content and their info. Now that’s over for them because they trusted aim. Now all someone has to do is search google and there they are.
Fartz said “Apologies for the bad grammar in the last post, I was pretty worked up and my fingers where going about 10X faster than my brain.”
I fuck up a lot too w/grammar & stuff, but I think you got it backwards- the brain is going 10x faster than the fingers, for me at least, even as I type 50wpm
Hey, Donny, you ever watch your uncle on “The First 48?”
Mark, thank you for answering my question.
Pornshooter you make some good points, then again with so many “mom and pop” type porn companies popping up on various sites like clips4sale or just doing it for fun and for free like XTUBE, I’m thinking very few of those people go through big testing companies like AIM and since most of their business is small scale, 2257’s aren’t readily available like they are with bigger name companies. Taking Porn wikileaks out of the equation for a bit, for the most part it seems that when a pornstar is outed it’s usually done by someone they know or a friend of a friend so to speak.
There was a cop in Florida who had done a gay bondage video in the mid 90’s (he was nude but no hardcore) who went on to become a finalist on the Design Star reality show and his video and stills from it popped up online, and he was promptly dis-invited from show’s finale reunion and fired by the police department he worked for. The title in question was long out of print and didn’t come from any of the big name studios.
I’ve read this quote before and think it’s very true, “If you tell one person that you are or have done porn in the past, you might as well have told a thousand people.”
Back on topic, you really did make an excellent point earlier about PWL and the crossover issue. It seems that a lot of people in the industry are on the same page as far as that goes, as far as having issues with it but like a lot of things in the industry nothing will be done about it or it gets talked about for a little bit then dropped.
Mark I know you are in LA where if a performer has an issue with talent you can address it on a direct level , but if a girl has a Bang Bros/RK shoot in Miami/Ft.Lauderdale and the issue of baiting and switching talent or finding out the guy you worked with just shot a gay scene the day before comes up, how are you as an agent able to protect your client when something like that comes up?
Larry what can be done, a few of the sites you have listed are essentially the McDonald’s of porn sites. If these girls said no to working with certain talent, don’t they risk getting blacklisted for working with these companies and get pegged as being difficult to work with? That is a hard hit for someone whose work for these companies is a sizeable chunk of the jobs she books.
What Penny Lane wrote about Christian bullying her when she made him wear a condom in their scene together to me is scary and telling of the current state of the industry. At the time, Penny Flame had the clout to request but most performers don’t. If it’s true that companies are doing a bait and switch with male talent, do you really think the industry stands a chance with CAL OSHA regarding the condom issue.
It’s been posted on a number of blogs and forums, but no one listens or cares. Derrick Burts/Cameron Reid/Derek Chambers claimed he contracted HIV on a gay porn shoot in Florida with a performer that had been KNOWN to be HIV positive. The gay porn shoot was for Venetian which is the gay branch of the Bang Bros company. Yes Burts’ credibility is very much in question and rightfully so, but at the same time it was very telling and chilling that Bang Bros promptly scrubbed Burts’ gay scenes off their sites after he made this charge. You would think at that point, Bang Bros would have learned their lesson and stopped this practice, but it doesn’t appear that have done that, nor do they appear to have any plans to do so.
chichiladouche,
As far as “baiting and switching” it doesn’t really happen. On the other hand, although we try to prevent our models from working with male talent that has recently done gay porn, to be honest, it can occur on occasion. No one’s knowledge is perfect.
Christian bullied Phoenix Marie and now also Penny Lane. Why are people still using this asshole in scenes? They should not be using crossover talent. Keep Christian on the gay side and not abusing the female talent.
Everybody just fucking WEAR A CONDOM in your scenes! …and none of this talk about crossover talent would be relevant.
Seriosly. If you are concerned about your health, USE A CONDOM, or find a new career. How difficult can it be?
Most people watching porn don’t want to see condoms. Mandatory condoms on every set will kill the porn business. Also the girl sucks some mope’s cock and then puts a rubber on him to fuck? She already had his dick in her mouth and if he was HIV+ what do you think might have just happened when she sucked his cock?
That don’t even count the fact that condoms are NOT 100% safe as a deterent to HIV. Stuff can still pass thru the wall of the condom. Frequent testing and no crossover guys will go a long way to make sure the chances of contracting HIV are on the small side.
Trannyfucker has been bullying female and male performers for years.
Yeah Larry and Karmafan; Its all Gay guys now and yes they are still going back and forth and its going to get alot worse. The talent agencies tell the production companies who and what to shoot and secondly the gay and bi sexual Dudes on the top run everything. Its that way in Miami now and in gaylay,california. Yep siree!! we’ll see another MAJOR outbreak again and that will break the straw for sure.
I can see the more screwed up scenes in the future with a girl giving a BJ with a Condom and some cal-osha or AHF instigator there watching and giving lessons!
@ fartz re: xpt shoutbox.
nothing will happen to donny or his family that already hasn’t happened due to their genetics and whatnot. donkey is his own worst enemy and except for watching spiegler clown him all over the comment section here he’s essentially played out and a complete and total joke. steele has a more promising career is what i’m trying to get at.
regardless, fartz should post at xpt. i think he’d do well there.
WAAAAAA! Another minion from the International House of Malice has hurt my feelings again!!!!! I just can’t go on any longer!
🙁 🙁 🙁
steele tell another story about you and donkey posting at poontalk together. you know, the dream team days. kinda like magic and bird but closer to tragic and turd.
i’m working on something much better right now, p.p. boy.. that was the doc producer’s idea, get a jackass like him to post on the site for traffic… seemingly the same idea that joe brandi guy had in mind
The black talent like Rico Strong, Shane Diesel, Justin Long, Jack Napier, and Lex Steele don’t seem to swing both ways. That must be why they seem to be everywhere these days.
Okay Shorty Mac seems like he might but the other guys getting so much pussy now…
All joking aside, I honestly think Donny Long has done some gay stuff in the past. Why do you think he FREAKS OUT whenever HIS real name appears in print? (Either that, or perhaps his Daddy touched him inappropriately when he was growing up)
Mark, the shit between you and Donny is wearing my ass out. One thing you could both get together on is a stand against crossovers and black listers like the Trannyfucker. Mark, you dont want your girls to work with crossovers and Donny, I bet C3X didnt help your career out. I still cant figure out how a guy with sociopathic tendencies like Trannyfucker gets so much work. Of course this is a business where the leading agent is a pimp, you have retards like Jules Jordan and Axel Braun making movies and folks like Fishbein, Hirsch being the industry voices.
Larry,
Sorry, but I don’t agree with Donny. I don’t want our models working with male talent that have RECENTLY “crossed over” to doing straight porn. If they haven’t done gay porn in the last 3 to 6 months and have been tested, then they are okay with me.
On the other hand, that latent homosexual known as Donny Long, is just using the crossover argument as a red herring to lash out at anybody and everybody in the porn business – because Donny himself FAILED at porn. To quote Kimberly Kane in a recent Salon.com article: “he is doing it out of hatred for a business that shunned him for being even too repugnant for porn.” (Donny Long – too repugnant for porn! I should copyright that.)
Anyone with half a brain (including you Larry) can see that Donny doesn’t truly give a shit about the industry or the health of any of the people in it. He just wants to bully people from behind the comfort of his keyboard because, as we all know, deep down DONNY LONG IS A SNIVELING COWARD!
FWIW, when Donny Long WAS in the business who were his two closest sidekicks? Seth Dickens and Jay Ashley – two guys known for being in gay porn! (Not that there is anything wrong with that!)
@chichiladouche Alot of the mom pops that got aim tests are on that list.Also alot of mom pops shoot girls who also shoot in la so they required an aim test and girls who never shot for anyone but know about aim ask for one it.It was considered the standard.If it was just LA and Miami porn they wouldn’t of had drawing stations all over the country. Now do people just get outted because they told someone or someone saw them Yes. But its alot rarer than you think.
Hey Mark; I dealt Jay Ashley was in any GAY porn shoots ever, But he isn’t on Donny’s pornwikkileaks.com and either is Jack Vegas?? so see the connection who is running the PORNWIKKILEAKS website?.
I think Donny thinks he should have got more work when he was in the business, on both sides of the camera. As his work tapered off, the Trannyfucker among others started getting more work, and the work has been going more and more to crossovers. The real problem with crossovers may be what they do for money away from porn, sure the girls escort by the dozens, but even with them their “johns” arent hiding their sexuality like the gay “johns”,who I would think would be more prone to riskier behavior. It would be interesting to ask the girls who escort what their basic client is like. Of course now PWL should be third or fourth on the priority list, Weinstein and the AHF should be one, Brazzers and their destruction of the US based web business should be one and of course the crossover issue, which is now an imperative cause of AHF and the demise of AIM.
Rick,
You also notice that you cannot post Donny’s real last name on the PWL site?
Everyone, including the FBI, knows that Donny is behind the site.
http://donnylongisaconvictedfelon.com/
@Mark Spiegler
Mark I think the issue is not 3-6 months but in the story posted above 24 hours between the gay scene he shot and the straight scene. It’s no secret that Bang Bros is using a lot of crossover talent for both their gay and straight porn productions very close together. Like I wrote to Larry earlier, I don’t know what can be done about it since Bang Bros is such a large company and the girls need the work.
@RickMadrid
Jay Ashley has been popping up in a lot of bisexual and tranny films lately. Kickass/Devil’s Films where in a bisexual scene one of the males is almost always exclusively gay in his private life.
@pornshooter
I don’t know if anyone will commit suicide over it, but I do think if there are certain people in your life that you don’t want to find out that you do porn, then maybe you shouldn’t do it. That is just one of the risks you take. That doesn’t justify PWL or any other sites like that. That being said though, I think the number of people whose parents/fiends don’t know what they do for a living is smaller then we think.
I think people got a real scare for awhile because of patient zeta and all kinds of proclamations for changes in the industry popped up and some performers rallied against using crossovers and some said they would do condom only. Once the hype and hysteria died down, nothing did change.
Again Shy Love comes off as a huge hypocrite for her stance on Kacey Brooks but has no problem booking this asshole (Ty Roderick/Antonio Giovanni) and pissing off active and popular performers. Ditto Derek Hay and his do as I say, not as I do, stance on booking his female talent with crossovers.
I have a question and I don’t know if will be answered but with all the discussion of crossovers, are there any male performers in the industry who only shoot straight porn, but are gay in their private lives and have partners? I don’t expect names to be named, but would they be scrutinized they way crossovers are now?
THANKS!! chilladouche! yeah..were are going to see another outbreak soon and the county is supposely handling and or wants to handle the testing. BangBros called me for a shoot last summer and the guy that casted me told me he just got back from Brazil looking at starting a site down there and have performers go to Brazil and shoot there..? What obivous kind of performing and websites do u think they got going on down there?? LOL……
@chichiladouche > @pornshooter
Now take into account that Ty Roderick is engaged to tranny Mia Isabella. Mia and Ty perform in their videos bareback. This is after Ty films Gay videos. This happened numerous times.
Mia Isabella is now trying to crossover to fucking straight female pornstars like Lzz Tayler.
The gay/tranny crossover situation is much worse than anyone here realizes. It’s important to note that a greater threat is posed by the transsexual crossovers due to the fact that their private partners and clients are typically gay or bi and in their private life condoms are rarely used. Just watch one of Mia Isabella’s recent shoots with Ty Roderick/Antonio Giovanni and you will see how blatant they are. Then go back in Mia’s Tweets where she describes her home sex encounters with Ty and you realize anyone that has sex with Mia or Ty is truly playing Russian Roulette with their health/life. These High Risk performers need to be weeded out of the industry before the industry is destroyed permanently!
@chichlafag don’t you faggets read? tranny shoots are tested just like non tranny shoots. they are all fucking hookers. all you cross over cry babies just shut the fuck up already with your high risk faggetry. Its funny how you know so much about gay and tranny private life, chichilafag.
You should all be worried about the straight whores who are HOOKERS. Look at the history of porn whores infected. What is the Tranny to Gay to Straight ratio? Yea mostly Gays and Straights. All you fags are barking up the wrong trees.
Hmm. Donkey Long sounds a lot like Dawny Short. Can’t even spell “faggot”.