Ron Sullivan shot more pornos on film (122) than anybody. He debuted as a porn director in 1979 with Babylon Pink which received the year's Best Erotic Film Award.

Cecil Howard produced the film, and Bobbie Astyr, Samantha Fox, Georgina Spelvin and Vanessa Del Rio starred.

The first in a series of vignette films made by Howard and Sullivan, Babylon Pink presents the day in the life of seven different women and the sex they experience. Vanessa is the housewife, Georgette Sanders is the teenager, Samantha is the business executive, Georgina is the socialite, Merle Michaels is the secretary, Arcadia Lake is the roommate and Debbie Revenge is the short haired blonde billed as 'tonight's dinner.'

"A sexvid with an intriguing plot and a down-to-earth story," writes Bob Rimmer. "Much humor, silly fantasy and bawdy laughter. Bobby Astyr, as a weak little salesman peddling his wares in the office a cold-blooded female executive vice-president of a cosmetics company. Samantha Fox imagines that she suddenly capitulates and obeys his every sexual command. When he comes back to reality, wiping his brow as he leaves her office, it's with her panties. Maybe it wasn't a fantasy?" (X-Rated Videotape Guide p.62)

The fantasy is done so well that Jim Holliday recommends that professionals use the tape in their counseling practices. "It will give couples a good lesson in the creative use of one's sexual thoughts."

Genesis magazine profiled Sullivan in its June 1980 issue under the headline "The Buttoned-Down Birthday Suit."

"Most people think the average pornographer is a cigar-chomping, fat, middle-aged guy named Morty or Guido. So I would like to introduce them to New York-based producer-writer-director-distributor Ron Sullivan.

"In his late 30s, sporting fashionably long well-coifed hair and stylish glasses, Ron Sullivan's trademark is the three-piece suit."

Ron grew up with a distant relationship with his parents that warmed over the years and ended with him hugging his dad a few days before his death and exchanging the three words "I love you."

"I never saw my parents argue or fight," says Ron.

"A product of Middle America, Sullivan is an Irish-Protestant convert to Judaism. After being asked to leave the University of Kansas City for excessive gambling, he drifted to New York City, ended up in the film business, and between 1967 and the present [1980] has produced fifteen films." (Genesis 6/80)

Sullivan says he likes porn because it's fun. "I was always into film - and when I saw the economics, I got into pornography. I acquired some pictures for another distributor and started to distribute without knowing how.

"I've always felt that you can be a gentleman in this business and still flourish."

Sullivan has lived the lifestyle portrayed in his films except for brief moments of fidelity to any one of his five spouses. He enjoys the sexual perks of his position, "f---ing those gorgeous girls on camera.

"Pornography improved my sex life. But we place too much emphasis on porn. It's just another form of entertainment. Porn may have advanced the cause of oral sex, though. Couples have seen it, tried it, and discovered they like it."

Ron says that the women of porn "can tell themselves that since they're uttering lines as they suck cock, they're not prostitutes. But it's in their mind, because the day before or the next day, they'll have their favorite john come by to give them $200 for a quickie.

"There are many people in this business who aren't sure why they're doing it and don't want to be doing it. It takes them a long time to get on the set. For various reasons they find little ways not to be there, and they find ways to get off the set. If I say cut, they'll get up and run and get a cigarette, so I tend not to cut, just keep the cameras rolling because there's part of them that's saying, "I shouldn't be doing this, I don't want to be doing this, I don't like doing this."

Ron Sullivan used to write scripts under his own name. "I'd try to sell my pictures to buyers by telling them how great the movies were. And they'd say, "What else would you say? You made the picture." So I had to come up with a pseudonym. I chose Henri Pachard - initials H.P., which stand for High Profits."

The Ron Sullivan Philosophy

"Someone with their clothes on is innocent," says Ron. "Someone with her panties down to her knees, bent over the toilet is nasty."

Alexander Liberman, the former editorial director for Conde Naste publications, agrees. "Even in bed they keep the ornament on or the shoe - it rarely fails. The crudeness of the sexual act demands an opposite of refinement. You get a kick out of the jump between the suggestion of elegance and the bestiality of the act portrayed."

Ron says sex films do not reflect reality as much as they reflect the writer's fantasies. Pornography could be more cerebral with fewer blowjobs and cum shots. Like many pornographers, he frequently apologizes for the medium.

"Usually the script says, "Then they f---," or "then they suck," which is wrong," says Ron Sullivan. "To create a turn-on, you have to establish an 'attitude.' The heat comes from the head. You've got to make the audience work. If you saw a hooker on her knees, sucking a cock, that would mean nothing. But if you saw a hooker on her knees praying, and then sucking a cock, that would mean something. Or if you saw a nun sucking a cock... You've formed an 'attitude.' You've made the audience fill in the details; you've made them work."

Porn before Henri Pachard resembled soap operas with sex thrown in. Henri changed the focused the story of sex movies on sex and created dark and dirty dialogue that flowed from the characters making love as naturally as cum.

October Silk, 1980, is especially for those with lingerie fetishes. The story centers on Gloria's Boutique where people buy various garments and gadgets for use in sex. "The one thing a vignette film must do is supply great sex scenes and this film more than accomplishes that task. Unlike a loop carrier which continuously stays with one sex scene at a time, a vignette film offers a chance to cut away periodically if the filmmaker and editor so choose." (Holliday)

Outlaw Ladies may be Henri Pachard's best film. Five ladies are outlaws in that they must get their sexual thrills outside of conventional society. Veronica Hart plays an attorney who seeks anal sex; Marlene Willoughby is a puritan businesswoman who is secretly a high-priced hooker, Juliet Anderson is a suburban housewife in need of thrills, and in the best scene of the film, Samantha Fox and Jody Maxwell play slumming socialites who pick up thug Joey Silvera in a bar and proceed to his dirty apartment to enjoy his unwashed life. Merle Michaels plays a confused girl who gains sexual assertiveness. "The large, impressive big name cast consists of professionals, and when given proper direction from a first class filmmaker, they produce the kinds of performances that make Outlaw Ladies... a pioneer of the emerging breed of adult films that treat women as equals, not just sex objects." (Holliday)

Henri wrote and directed 1983's sex-drenched New York flick Sexcapades. Eric Edwards is porno director Harry Crocker who turns into an artsy filmmaker before attempting a porn comeback after seven years. Sharon Mitchell is his wife who doesn't want him to make the film, let alone in their house. The hottest scenes include George Payne and Tiffany Clark and the raunchy, intense and unforgettable lesbian encounter between producer Lee Caroll and aspiring actress Sharon Kane that ends with dirty talking dildo anal.

Sexcapades is a good showcase for underappreciated veteran talents Eric Edwards and Sharon Mitchell, who has the best ass in the business writes Holliday in 1986.

Henri Pachard was probably the best director of the 1980s, though he frequently didn't seem to care much about his product. The effect of too much cocaine?

Pachard tied for best films of 1983 with the East Coast Critics - Devil in Miss Jones 2 and Sexcapades. DMJ is the better film but Sexcapades has better sex says Holliday.

The Devil in Miss Jones Part II, 1983, is delightful entertainment on par with Misty Beethoven and Take Off according to Holliday. The original film was Gerard Damiano's serious effort but the sequel is high camp.

Justine Jones is back on earth pursuing her desires in the form of various women. Georgina Spelvin transforms into Joanna Storm as Private Parts, Anna Ventura is the awkward saleslady and Jacqueline Lorians, as Roxanne the hooker, is first seen with Bobby Astyr in his devil costume, then with trick Joey Silvera and finally as the woman who becomes Lucifer's true love. Jack Wrangler is Lucifer and R. Bolla is the Devil's Advocate. The film is full of gorgeous New York actresses such as Samantha Fox, Sharon Kane, Sharon Mitchell and Merle Michaels who go on to many more movies.

DMJ is a funny film that happens to have explicit sex. Not trying to emulate the original and switching the tone to comedy was the stroke of genius that makes Miss Jones a triumph. (Holliday)

New York porn photographer Barbara Nitke (daugher of pornographer Herb Nitke?) began snapping explicit photos in 1982. "I covered the scene for stills as they shot it. Hardcore, softcore, faces, heads bobbing up and down. Sex is sex, regardless of the backdrop. Over time, as I stared at the people through my lens, I started to see banged-up kids, hoping to get famous or just feel beautiful for a few minutes. Maybe it wasn't our fault, but we gave them the stage. Once I got focused on their underlying sadness, it was all I would see for years."

She remembers R. Bolla aka Robert Kerman, a kosher-keeping Jew on the set of Devil in Miss Jones 2. "Bolla was looking pretty shaky when Henri finally said the magic words, "Go for the wet one, pal, we've got everything else!"

"We formed a semicircle around Bolla, poised to shoot as soon as he gave the word. I watched him glance stealthily at the girls who fluffed him back up, whispering instructions. People laughed and gossiped quietly to break up the tension.

"After a while, Bolla threw off his smoking jacket, bunched it up under him, and collapsed on his back. He worked on himself now, with his eyes nailed shut and the girls kneeling beside him, trying to help.

"With the passing years, I saw that scene a hundred times. Guys would swagger into the business and crawl out a year later, burnt to a crisp." (Nervemag)

Bolla eventually blew his wad but only managed three seconds warning, not enough time to get the camera running though it did capture the aftershocks on the girls' faces.

Bolla aka Robert Kerman performed consistently through the 1970s into the early '80s. His most famous role came as the storekeeper who initiates Bambi Woods in the last scene of the 1978 classic Debbie Does Dallas.

The sequel to Sexcapades, 1984's Great Sexpectations, equals the quality of the original. Eric Edwards, the only hangover from the first film, reprises his award-winning role as porn director Harry Crocker. The plot is loosely derived from Charles Dickens. As an indication of the film's merit, it received more final four nominations from the critics than any other film of 1984.

Producer R. Bolla wants Harry Crocker to direct his entry into the sex film world. Bolla wants to use stud Jerry Butler who makes it with Bolla's wife Honey Wilder while Bolla watches. Chelsea Blake won a supporting actress award for her portrayal of a stage mother who pimps her daughter Tanya Lawson to the producer. Edwards moves from the hot tub with Joanna Storm and Renee Summers to the set where he meets the legendary porn actress Marilyn Camp played by Kelly Nichols.

The four part miniseries Taboo American Style was voted the best film of the year by three different adult organizations - AFAA, XRCO and CAFA (East Coast Critics). The story centers on the Sutherland family. Paul Thomas plays the father Harding, Gloria Leonard the mother Emily, Tom Byron plays the clean-cut son Tom, and Raven, in her finest performance, is the daughter Nina. She seduces her father then corrupts her entire family and friends to her bad ways as she strives for film stardom. In her first performance in five years, Gloria Leonard is excellent as the matriarch turned confused mess that she swept the outstanding actress awards. A few years earlier, Sullivan and Gloria had a two-year fling during which time Sullivan felt unable to direct her. He has no such problems with his love of the '90s, Nikki Sinn.

Holliday points out that the essential difference between Taboo American Style and similarly themed films is that they show incest as just another sex scene between pretty performers while Pachard's mini-series rips the soul of America because his scenes seem real, not staged. It is not Gloria and Tom but mother and son.

In segments, Taboo part one is the building block, two heats up, three is the hottest and the one to own, and four is the downer end. Holliday says the series is a fitting tribute to the late Herb Nitke, the executive producer of Nibo Films, who appears in part four as producer C.B. Meyer.

Holliday says that the most erotic video of 1984 was Sullivan's Scenes They Wouldn't Let Me Shoot which starred Sharon Kane, Honey Wilder and Rene Summers.

Henri Pachard made Matinee Idol in the summer of 1984 and writer - producer David Friedman released it in early 1985. The story takes place at Sensational International Studios, run by Harvey Cox played by Elmer Fox and Bernie Kuntz played by David Friedman.

Holliday calls 1985's She's So Fine "Wedding For Goddot." The porn historian says it's Henri's warmest film. David Friedman calls it Henri's finest. She's So Fine is similar to The Big Chill, but most like You Can't Take It With You, says Holliday. Taija Rae plays Angela, a young lady on her wedding day waiting for Whitney, her intended. Instead, a bunch of oddball friends and neighbors show up. The film is set in Detroit, Michigan but is filmed in New York.

Wally Wharton writes in the 6/94 HEVG: "Henri Pachard (Ron Sullivan) is one of the only people I know who can make this total slut blush. He has a knack for exposing the raw nerve and caressing it. With his commanding voice, rich with articulate sex-talk, no one says the words ass, cock or pussy with more ease, more conviction or more purpose. (I still marvel at those with the ability to specify genitalia without bracing themselves.)

"In direct contrast to the sterile, ultra-consensual approach taken by most latter-day X directors, Henri Pachard's work continues to boldly ferret out the compulsion, ambiguity and guilt that pervade our own sexual behavior. This exploration of the dark side is his greatest strength as a pornographer. "I market loneliness" is a popular maxim of Pachard's that can interpreted in different ways."

Says Wally, "Ron fashions himself a Nathan Detroit, a Damon Runyan [author of Guys and Dolls] character...with his fedora, and the broads, and the dames and the New York fast living."

"People in the business wonder why their sales are dropping," says Sullivan. "It's because the company doesn't have a pornographer. Look at John Stagliano. He runs everything. He's his own pornographer. So is John Leslie. What about VCA? Who is their pornographer? They don't even like pornography; it's just their business. We wonder why our business is sliding. We're boring the consumer.

"What is pornography? Doing something that we're not supposed to be doing? People don't f--- in toilets unless it's a random f---, so I shoot a lot of scenes in toilets and subway bathrooms.

"If I was doing an anal-sex scene I'd use a commode. Then you can shove the girl's face further into the toilet. You make a bigger statement. If people criticize my bathroom scenes, they should question their reason for reviewing pornography." (HEVG)

Ron Sullivan has the ability to do mainstream work but he doesn't want to. "Once you're in this business, you never get out. It gets in your blood.

"Pornography is a questionable past-time at best, a harmless indulgence. A little bit goes a long way. Most pornography is boring. Our own imaginations are ahead of what we are able to make for the public.

"Our product goes mainly to lonely and angry young men.

"If I were to live my life over again, rather than doing porn, I'd do something useful.

"Most people in our business want the money but they are ashamed of what they put out. I put my real name on my movies until I married Joan in 1976, my third wife; a Jew who didn't want to be embarrassed at her all-Jewish country club. So then I came up with Henri Pachard.

"People frequently say Ron Sullivan slash Henri Pachard.

"I don't think there's ever been a child who hasn't daydreamed or looked into the stars and dreamed about becoming a pornographer."

Or, as Henri Poincare put it, "An adult needs pornography as a child needs fairy tales."

Ron dominated porn from '79 to '84 when the video revolution passed him by. He came after the prime of directors Gerard Damiano and Radley Metzger (a.k.a. Henri Paris) and before Gregory Dark, John Stagliano and John Leslie the director.

"My contribution was to get rid of the music during sex. I made sex the reason the movie existed rather than giving a pretense of a story with a break for sex. My subject was sex. My characters talked while making love.

"In one scene, for instance, Jerry Butler is f---ing his wife who tells him during sex that she wants a divorce. He'd have to ejaculate and remember his dialogue at the same time.

"I was difficult to work for because performers had to remember dialogue and develop a character and hang around the set all day. But by the end of the day, they came away feeling better about themselves. They found dignity in their work.

"I was the [early] '80s trendsetter. John Leslie, the greatest actor I've ever worked with, is the '90s trendsetter. He paints with images. I used to do it with dialogue. He can create suspense in a sex scene and can tell a story better than anyone."

Public Affairs also appeared in 1984. "A politician's extracurricular sex life leads to his undoing. The film has hilarious overtones and the production is impressive."(AFW)

Caballero released Sullivan's favorite flick Getting Personal in 1985. "A hooker tries to escape her hard life with an immigrant looking for a way to stay in the country. Destined to be a classic. The adult themes expertly weave the story and the sex into the backdrop of the urban underbelly, peopled by hustlers, hucksters, scammers and sleaze. XRCO's Best Actress Award to Colleen Brennan." (AFW)

Lilith Unleashed appeared in 1986. "Pachard's primo porn look into a weird Garden of Eden where Lilith leads a cast of sex maniacs through some heavy duty hardcore. Great score, clever script and quality photography coupled with great sex." (AFW)

Ron's fourth wife, Debra Holden, produced many of his better efforts such as 1989's Final Taboo.

Also that year, Caballero released Pachard's The Nicole Stanton Story: The Rise and Nicole Stanton: To The Top. The first one is great.

"Eva Allen is the cunning Nicole, a B-girl with caviar dreams. She penetrates the lonely life of widower John Leslie and becomes his first real passion since the death of his previous wife. Leslie, the wealthy industrialist, has family and friends who disapprove of his relations with Nicole the gold digger, but it is all for naught. The couple are wed, and it becomes obvious she's in it for the money.

"The sex sparkles with pristine beauty. The interaction, dialog and plot development speed the show along, never lagging or losing track. One of the best movies of the last five years, made even more so by its 35mm format." (AFW)

To The Top. "Nicole has married, as planned, and gets out to build her own empire from her husband's fortune, no matter what the cost. While Eva Allen still shines as the hateful but horny Nicole, the Leslie-Allen relationship is forsaken for the f---ing." (AFW)

Also in 1989, VCA released Sex Lives of the Rich and Famous. Part one is a modern Romeo and Juliet story with funny characters and feverish sex. "The second half of this love story of star- crossed yuppies brings Eva Allen and Peter North together, despite the plans of everyone around them to pull them apart. Topnotch soap opera sex with an all-star cast." (AFW)

Sullivan directed several excellent movies in 1993, including America Garter. Seka received $30,000 to end her retirement for the film but she's overweight, about 40 years old and a dozen years past her prime.

"In this period piece (early '60s) blockbuster film, Seka returns as the head of an undergarment company on Seventh Avenue who is struggling to maintain her market share in a world where men call all the shots. Here's one of those theatrical porn films they used to make in the late '70s and early '80s. A big budget, a great cast, and a funny and different story line add up to an entertaining undertaking that heralds the return of Seka. She's older, filled out, but still carries the kind of presence that outclasses a dozen young dick snatches. The movie is a joy to behold, thanks to wonderful editing, great music and a nice voice-over that ties the whole thing together. The sex is hot from start to finish with occasional bouts of incendiary heat." (AFW 96D p.247)

Bob Rimmer loved the flick and his buddy Patrick Riley hated it. "I groaned in despair when Bob told me I would have to watch this "return of Seka" spectacular that VCA has promoted up the gazoo. How anyone can get it up for this aged old lady, I don't know. She was vastly over-rated in her prime too but when the competition was Vanessa Del Rio and Lisa DeLeeuw she may have had the potential to get off the 18-year old who had spent his life on a deserted island. Now, with breasts that are enhanced, skin that

looks diseased and a belly that can only be kept in by industrial strength corsets, she has all the sex appeal of Roseanne Barr. As to the silly names of the characters and the totally unbelievable motivation for sex scenes... Using the '60s time period with its ugly underwear is only so that they can have a reason to cover up Seka's monstrosity [belly]. The effect on the others (Sierra and Brittany in particular) is to convert lithe, good looking girls into frumps." (Guide 4, p.40)

Sin City released Eclipse in '93. "Henri Pachard writes and directs this porn answer to Apocalypse Now, with an out of control director and starlet (Sydney St. James) sent to find out what is happening on his set. Pachard at his best. On a modest budget he has whipped up the kind of perverse erotica we haven't seen from him enough recently." (AFW 96D p. 255)

Except for the above hits, the video revolution generally reduced Pachard to shooting One Day Wonders on one-tenth the budgets he was used to.

"My attitude was - "I've got to shoot a movie today and I've got one day to do it." Someone new would jump out of bed and say - "I've got to shoot a movie today and I've got a whole day to do it."

"In doing One Day Wonders, I lost my touch and eventually lost business."

An erratic love life and an addiction to cocaine also hurt Sullivan.

In 1994 Ron took over production at Caballero. The company led the industry into the early '80s and through the video revolution kept producing occasional high budget shot-on-film productions by Sullivan and other directors through the video revolution. While everyone else poured out inexpensive video product, Caballero didn't, thus becoming antiquated and tired.

"So they hired an antiquated and tired man to run it," says Ron. "I saw what was going on with Caballero and with myself. I didn't save Caballero as much as Caballero saved me.

"It was my first time as an employee in 30 years."

During his 18-month tenure, Ron helped turn the company around by getting it actively distributing new product. Ron split off Vidco, a low end nasty line, away from Caballero and brought back Swedish Erotica. He created a new compilation line for Vidco, naming each title individually instead of as one of a group.

In 1996, Sullivan created the gonzo series Venom where the performers shoot themselves. The original, shot on a low budget, merited more money from Vidco and the next four editions are hot.

"I unharness Venom, rather than direct it for I've discovered that exhibitionists are also voyeurs. They love using the camera like a gun - point and shoot. They love to watch what they're shooting on the big screen while they're performing."

The man who directed more shot-on-film extravaganzas than anyone has successfully changed with the times. As his creative juices flow again, his work load increases, though never to the point of replacing his treasured weekly poker game with Jim South and company.

In 1995, Ron helped bring Hank Weinstein to Caballero from Sin City because of Hank's knowledge of marketing and distribution. Hank's first big move was to get rid of Ron who was no longer needed. Ron carries no hard feelings about his firing.

Ron published this letter in AVN's 6/95 issue thanking them for their positive review of his enema flick Wasted.

"Whenever I'm "flushed" or "filled" with pride, I cannot "waste" an opportunity to fill the "bowl" with gratitude.So I'll "plunge" right in. "Although this type of video is not my "bag," "t'anks" for the nice words about Prestige Video's Wasted."

AVN replies: "Sorry to relegate your missive to the "rear" of the column, Ron, "butt" we didn't want you to think we were "brown-nosing" you. It's difficult not to "dump" on this type of video...but we recognize the talents of a directors who knows the "ins and outs" of his chosen subject - and who has a history of "boweling" over the viewer."

In late 1996, Ron took over production at LBO. At age 56, Sullivan, divorced five times, is single and in good health, despite smoking two packs of cigarettes a day.

"I was more a father-figure to Nikki Sinn than a lover," says Ron.

Sullivan loves to rescue wounded birds. But Nikki took her broken wings, and learned to fly again.

Like Bill Margold, Ron takes in troubled young girls and lost little animals, and gives them a place to find themselves.

Sullivan had a two year relationship with Gloria Leonard in the late 1970s and because of it, didn't feel comfortable using her in his porno productions. But with Nikki, Ron enjoys shooting her having sex with other men.

Sullivan directed Surfside Sex 2: Alone & Dripping where he performed as a "chain-smoking lecherous creep-therapist. Various couples come to Pachard with their sex problems." (AVN)

Ron had two sons in his first of five marriages and they've become pornographers. Jason works for Vivid under the name Ralph Parfait, and in his first two movies used his dad as a principal actor. Skinny, with long red hair, he smokes constantly like his father. He appears in the documentary Screwed.

"It's my fondest memory," says Ron about his first day on Jason's set. "I had a great time with my son. I didn't want the day to end. I played the administrator of an insane asylum."

Upon turning 18 in 1982, Jason left his mother and moved in with his father in New York and worked for him as a production assistant.

Ron's other son uses the porn name Nathan Blackburn. He makes his own video line Black Cheerleader Search. "Excellent lingering camerawork and long periods of the girls not flat on their backs or with dicks in their mouths. Mr. Marcus's scene with Obsession in Search #1 and Ice in #2 are for watching many times." (Pat Riley)

"By abandoning the Buttman approach of the first volume (which has been done to death) and instead just concentrating on the sex, this series has gone from So? to Yo! in just three volumes." (Adam Black Video Illustrated)

Ron wishes he could spend more time with his sons. He doesn't like to live alone, and at any time may have one to three women staying at his place. The last time I knocked on his door (5/96), ex-porn star Tanya Foxx answered. She rents a room from Sullivan.

While I talked with Ron, Tanya scrubbed floors.

Sullivan hopes that his best movies are ahead of him. He looks forward to buying the home he's now renting, writing more, and most importantly, finding love and having a family.

Sullivan married in 1997.

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  Ron gave me a copy of a short story he finished in June, 1995 from which I excerpt.

11/28/05

Rob Spallone: "Tell everybody to give their best wishes to Ron Sullivan. He's coming home today from the hospital. They operated on him Wednesday for ten-and-a-half hours.

"A couple of months ago, he went in for a check-up. They found cancer in his ass. They operated. They got it all. Then, about two weeks later, he went to the dentist for a root canal and they found cancer in his mouth."

12/1/05

Ron replies to my email inquiry: "I think I understand why depression becomes such a problem with cancer recovery. Depression is another word for anger and shame. And dying of shame is not all that unique. Becoming lost, imprisoned, trapped, etc brings on a sense of shame, instead of expanding the imagination in search of solutions."