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Lowell Smith Says Castano Takes It Up The Ass I've heard gossip about strip club agent Lowell Smith, the former husband of porn star Bunny Bleu. Smith used to manage Tera Heart, Farrah, and Tabitha Stevens. "Tera...Farrah...Tabitha... were girls that I booked, but they were not exclusively with me," said Lowell Wednesday morning by phone. He's been booking strippers since 1983. Luke: "I heard that you had a fight with Charley Frey at CES." Smith: "Absolutely not. Charley Frey does not even talk to me. He wouldn't even come near me..." Luke: "I heard that he punched you." Smith: "That's because the person who told you, who undoubtedly was Johnny Castano, wouldn't know his ass from his elbow. It was Michael Morrison who owns a string of adult bookstores in Atlanta called Nine and a Half Weeks, who amongst other things, happens to be a trained boxer. He owns boxing gyms. "Yes he knocked me out. He cold cocked me... I was walking down the aisle with a friend of mine and the next thing I know, they're scraping me off the floor. I didn't even see him. I could knock Mike Tyson out if he was just walking down the street with one of his friends and I jumped out of the alleyway and hit him square. Especially if I was a trained boxer." Luke: "Did he get arrested?" Lowell: "It was absolutely amazing. I tried to file a police report. I told them exactly where he was. I knew the hotel... And they wouldn't arrest him... They said, you have to come down and file a separate police report, even though I was filing one at the hospital... They took me there for precautionary measures. And they would not arrest him. They were going to wait until he left town and then they were going to give him a citation to appear in court... And if he didn't come, they were going to issue a bench warrant... They absolutely refused to arrest him, based on my complaint, while he was still in Las Vegas. "I called him up and invited him, any time he wanted a rematch, to try actually facing me... And try that." Luke: "I heard that you charged $30,000 worth of stuff on Bunny Bleu's credit cards?" Smith: "Another Johnny Castano thing... The truth is, Bunny and I are very good friends. I want it understood that I will never say anything bad about her. She would be the first to admit that every credit card we had was in my name. She had no primary credit cards..." Luke: "Are you pimping porno girls to high rollers staying at the Hilton?" Smith: "Absolutely not. I don't pimp period. That's another Johnny Castano thing... The first thing he does when any girl comes to shoot a magazine layout, is first he tries to get them to pee in his mouth and then he tries to get them to turn tricks with people he knows at the casinos. He was the one who even suggested that idea to me. I had no concept... I wasn't even thinking of doing that kind of thing in Las Vegas and still have not actually done it... He even introduced me to a casino host who worked at the Rio who did it..." Luke: "What's the deal with Johnny Castano and you?" Smith: "Johnny Castano... I try to have a little sympathy for him because he's a very bitter old man who hates everybody and thinks that everybody has screwed him and that he's deserving of more than he's got... He's a person who's spent his whole life trying to wreak havoc on other people and he has nothing going for himself and he's just jealous of anyone else's success because he feels that it is due him and not anyone else. "I tried to be friendly with him for a while because I felt sorry for him... He's in terrible physical shape. He's had many heart attacks... And with his personality, I can see that he's never going to get along with anybody. People enjoy screwing him if they possibly can because he's an asshole. It gets to the point where you can feel sorry for somebody just so much, and you say, if you want to be an asshole, fine. I'm not going to support your desire to be an asshole." Luke: "I hear that you are a convicted felon?" Smith: "That's true. Do you also know that Johnny Castano, along with Reb, was arrested for using a girl under the age of 18 in an X-rated movie? [Charges were later dismissed.] I may be a convicted felon but what I was convicted for was nothing compared to that. "The technical charge was conspiracy to counterfeit even though the U.S. Government acknowledged that the first time I ever saw any counterfeit money in my life was when I was in the courtroom, on the evidence tray. I'm still befuddled after all these years how I could be convicted of something when the principle product, meaning counterfeit money, they agree I never even saw until I was in the courtroom." Lowell Smith lived with Bunny Bleu for seven years and they were married for one year. Luke: "I hear that you do not own either a car or a computer?" Smith: "True. I've never been a fan of driving. I grew up in New York City where a car is a liability more than an asset. It is also true that I don't own a computer even though my brother's profession is as a trouble shooter computer expert for companies like Smith Barney and Metropolitan Life." Luke: "Who are you booking these days?" Smith: "Ashlyn Gere, Victoria Paris, Farrah, Lisa Ann, Midori, Heather Hunter, Nikki Sinn..." Luke: "Is it true that you take 20% of their fees instead of the customary 12%?" Smith: "Wow, I would really like that idea. This is another Johnny Castano deal because the last time I spoke to him, when we had our big blowout, he wanted me to book Kelly Jean, one of the girls he'd been pimping for years to the casinos... Because she had flaked on so many jobs, I wanted 15% from her. My customary percentage is 12%, the industry standard (other than the superstars who pay only 10%)... I had the nerve, according to Castano, to ask for 15% from Kelly Jean because she was a complete flake and brand new and I had to do everything for her. So he chastized me for that. So I said, wait a second. You're getting on me for trying to charge a flake 3% more than the average industry girl and you pay a girl $100 and you get $1500-$2000 from the magazine? Who's gouging a girl more? "And he said, yeah, well, I was trained for seven years and I'm a professional... I said, yeah, I just fell out of bed yesterday and decided to start booking girls..." Luke: "Is the strip club industry dominated by the Mafia?" Smith: "I'd say a far less percentage, if it is dominated at all, than the adult video distributorship which, as far as I can tell, is all Mafia." Luke: "What's your relationship with Charley Frey like?" Smith: "We absolutely hate each other... It's more than a professional deal. I don't think the word 'professional' would apply in any respect to Charley Frey... He's just a lowlife piece of s---. He knows that I feel that way. He called up a club I was booking in Las Vegas, because he was trying to get in there, and the club owner told me that he said the most unbelievably foul obscene and of course untrue things about me he possibly could... And it made us both laugh... The club owner would just call me and tell me everything he said... Whenever Charley Frey had the chance to verbally confront me in person, he'd back off. He never said a word to me. He knows better. Unless he has some big goon bodyguard with him, which he needs all the time because he pisses people off, he's a little chicken." Luke: "Are there any booking agents you respect?" Smith: "The Lee Network people... The owner Tony will tell you that I helped him out tremendously while he was still a Canadian agent by allowing him to book people that I was booking at the time, like Ginger Lynn, in Canada. There was another agency Bryan Entertainment that had a stranglehold on the market as far as booking American porn stars in the clubs. "And Frank Bane from Continental... Eleanor from Universal... It's not a matter that I hate all other agents." Luke: "Did you have an affair with Sophia Stacks?" Smith: "I had a very good friendship with Sophia Stacks... I don't feel comfortable talking about that..." Krash writes: "I remember that Lowell Smith, back around 1990, was a fixture in and about Show World's Triple Treat Theatre, where Bunny Bleu feature-danced on occasion. Smith was tight at the time with longtime porn impresario and veteran Times Square content-provider Ron Martin. Also on the scene was Rob Abner, who owned "Stripper" magazine--as well as publications devoted to pets of the four-legged kind--which had some degree of presence in Gotham's then-booming live-peep and topless-bar industry. "Smith's primary racket seemed to be trafficking talent to the widely known Centerfold Stars stripper-to-go agency. I actually traveled in a limo one night in 1989 with Centerfold Stars founder Chris Lundquist, Lowell Smith, Bunny Bleu, and heavy-metal club personality Thommy Gunn to a Queens Boulevard metal club where Gunn had booked Bleu and other porners to do a monumentally explicit strip show--the kind that would be unthinkable in today's anti-porn climate--as a metal band skronked in the background. Later it was said that Lowell Smith and Centerfold Stars' Lunquist had traded blows in a violent dust-up. Smith disappeared from the New York scene soon thereafter." Johnny Castano phoned around noon: "I heard that he [Smith] used to walk around with lipstick and pantyhose when he was still in prison." Lowell Smith: "It goes to show you how ridiculous he's becoming because I was incarcerated at Nellis Air Force Base in Las Vegas which is considered to be one of the country club white collar prisons without any fences or shelves... And one of the stipulations of being in that prison is that if you have any hint of homosexual activity whatsoever, you are immediately shipped to a normal prison. That's one of the provisions of being there. You can not be homosexual. You can not dress in anything but prison-issue uniforms. The whole concept is so absurd..." Luke: "I remember when David Sturman and I were shacked up at that prison, we had to stay very in the closet or they would've torn us apart like Romeo and Juliet." Castano: "You don't know how this guy lives... $3 comps... He lives out of the 7-11... He's always looking for a free meal... I couldn't even take him anymore." Lowell Smith: "That is the most ridiculous thing that I've ever heard...A $3 comp? The terms are self contradictory. A comp is a free meal given to somebody by a casino. So how could it be a $3 comp?" Luke: "Are you always looking for a free meal?" Smith: "The only time I ever ate with Johnny Castano, he begged me to go to Balis with him where his buddy Tony Monteleone supposedly owed him a comp, and all he did was complain through the whole thing that I didn't eat enough because it was free... And that considering what he had done for Tony with girls, instead of being in the coffee shop, it should've been at the steak house or the really good restaurants..." Castano: "Bunny Bleu says that the only way Lowell would get her a job at Wild Jay's is if she stayed at his place and slept with him. He made her stay at his f---ing place and sleep with him... Long after they got a divorce. Bunny wants nothing to do with him... She fought him all night and she did not have sex with him. And he never booked her again. The guy is still in love with her and he can't believe that she left him. Hahahaha." Lowell Smith: "Bunny Bleu said? Bunny Bleu has not spoken to Johnny Castano since she was 19 years old and has no intention of speaking to Johnny Castano under any circumstances... She warned me the first time I brought his name up to stay away from him and have nothing to do with him... He doesn't want her to start on him... "Haven't you come to the conclusion that Johnny comes up with unbelievable s---? It's so ridiculous and so far from the truth... Bunny and I have a very good relationship and she was very happy when she came here. I am not going to comment on whether we had sex or not... I'm not going to tell you who I've had sex with in the 17 years of this business either... Honestly, she feels better towards me now than when we were married... We have an excellent relationship where everything is cool with everybody..." Castano: "I don't have girls pee in my mouth... It's just an expression I use... That girl is so cute she could pee in my mouth... "Photographers make good money when they shoot a layout ($2000 plus...). But I went to f---ing photography school for three years... I said that as a joke. When you see a good looking girl, a lot of guys will say, I'd eat her out of her s---. So I'll say, I liked her so much, I let her pee in my mouth... "Ask him why he's not got a license and is not paying any tax if he's such a big f---ing agent? I'm surprised the parole board let him do this kind of work... Who's s---ting who, man? What do all these agents do with girls?" Luke: "Pimp them out?" Johnny: "You're f---ing right. I introduced him to a friend of mine who was a host at the Rio for a comp... And then he [Smith] tried to make a deal with the guy [for pimping]...but it didn't work out." Luke talked to Lowell Smith at 3:30PM. Smith: "I have a Nevada state business license which I would be happy to show anyone... I pay taxes quarterly to the state of Nevada..." Luke: "What sort of license do you need to be a dance agent?" Smith: "You don't need a license to be an agent... But in Las Vegas you need a business license... And even that's under dispute... First Amendment attorneys have said that if you work from your home...that it is not required unless you are in a commercial location. Be that as it may, I did not want to argue that point... "Since 1995 when I got out of prison, I have had a state of Nevada business license. It was required by the federal probation board for me to be able to have my own business to show them a copy of my business license for them to allow me to do my business. This guy is so far off, it's a joke... I pay a business tax quarterly... As far as federal, I can produce my returns for the last ten years... "Parole is an incorrect term. In the federal system, since 1993, the correct term is probation. He doesn't even know his terms. Since 1996, I've been completely free of any federal restrictions... I am under no more restrictions by the federal government than you are... Lowell Smith: "Let's get to an actual story regarding his friend at the Rio about three years ago... I suppose he's told you about his friendship with Alexandre Quinn? I introduced him to Alexandria Quinn because he bugged me at one of the CES that he needed to shoot her... He was absolutely obsessed with her... He tried to get her to live at his house. For a while he was successful. He took her to the Rio to do a prostitution job through this guy [casino host] at the Rio with another well known porno star... She came back from the party downstairs, being sick to her stomach... She threw up in the middle of the Rio... She claimed that they had given her something at the party which made her stomach upset and he had to carry her out of the Rio back to his truck... Luke: "Why did Michael Morrison punch you?" Lowell: "I'm not sure since he would never actually say anything to me... I can only assume that he felt there was something that I said about him that he didn't particularly like. I used to do business with him and I probably mentioned the fact that most everybody who works for him is gay and that he also hangs them out with socially... Therefore we can draw the inference that he's gay. That, plus the fact that he was in prison for ten years for armed robbery... We all have an idea... We're not talking about a country club prison where I was... We're talking about a hardcore prison with murderers and things... And as a young good-looking boy, you can draw the inference. And I guess he did not particularly care for that..." Luke: "I don't understand why he would take offence to that." Smith: "He's such a scumbag that I don't take it back... My only response to Michael Morrison is that if he would only attempt to be a man and face me, we will have a rematch..." Luke: "Have you ever gotten into a fist fight with anyone else?" Smith: "No, I don't think so... And this wasn't really a fist fight. The funny thing was Luke, that I saw him earlier that day at the CES Show and I tried to say hello to him because I was hoping to be able to talk to him and maybe do some business again. I know that he heard me but he just ignored me, which is typical of him, and walked away. So if he had something that he wanted to confront me with, a real man would've done it at that point. But no, he waited to jump out from a whole bunch of people... "I didn't even know it was him... I didn't know what happened to me until somebody told me... "By the way, Johnny Castano... I just got a call from the Las Vegas Hilton. Because I am friendly with some of the people over there, not for the reason that Castano said... I have never pimped a girl to anyone, let alone the Hilton... We have talked about the idea of me bringing club owners there who are big gamblers, who may prefer other hotels like Caesars, and in return for that they might give me certain privileges like casino rates for friends of mine... They read your story. We're talking about a guy who's a very high up casino host... "And they understand that there is a story going on your site tomorrow that Charles Barkley takes girls from the Las Vegas Hilton. They said that Charles Barkley will definitely sue bigtime if that story... I'm just telling you... I understand that they've already spoken to you..." Luke: "Right." Smith: "I told them that the source of the original story mentioning me [procuring girls] and the Las Vegas Hilton was Johnny Castano... And I also told them that I know who probably leaked it to him because I certainly never told him that I have anything to do with the Hilton... It had to be Tony Montaleone, a casino host who happens to be working for the Hilton who's friends with Johnny. And they are on this right now and there are people who are going to have extreme unhappy times tonight and Castano is definitely going to be one of them. The Las Vegas Hilton is not a corporation that you do that with. And if you can't substantiate what you put on a website which can be seen by millions of people, then you better expect to be sued. This is Park Place Entertainment, they're a multi-billion dollar corporation. "I am not saying this in anyway towards you but I let them know that Castano was the source of the original story and they are going to be after him like flies on rice... He has gotten himself into a world of trouble. "You should talk to executive casino host Douglas Stewart. He's there right now. He's on this right now. I told him about Tony Montaleone who works under him... I told him, Doug, the only person who even knows Castano who would say anything about any relationship that you and I would have, myself included, would have to be Tony Montaleone... I can't think of anyone else that Castano even speaks to... They're checking it out right now because it is a big deal for them. "I know that he and Castano for years... Of course, Castano, like everybody, one minute he loves him and one minute he hates him and wants to kill him... In they're on again off again affair, I'm sure Tony passed a lot of information on to him and Johnny the other way around... Ever since the days of Kelly Jean, they've been working together on girls for whichever casino Tony has been working for... "This was a big mistake. There are limits to what you can put in print and limits to what you can put on the internet... And this went way beyond the limit...considering the fact that we're not talking about an individual in the porno business who probably would not want to take this to court... It would cost a lot of money. With Park Place Entertainment, that is not even a consideration... Their image, like anybody else in the casino business let alone the biggest company in the casino business, is the most important thing they have going for them and they will defend it, even if it takes millions of dollars. "I'm sure that you can come to some sort of understanding with them and it won't be a problem, but as far as Castano is concerned, he won't be able to. I don't think he'd even know how to talk to them." Luke: "I'm interested how the Hilton found out about the Charles Barkley and the girls..." Smith: "I didn't even know about it. They told me. I hear that it is going to be posted tomorrow on Luke F-rd's website. And I assure you that Charles Barkley will absolutely sue... A man who makes $15 million a year has plenty of money for lawyers." Luke: "That blows me away that they found out about that." Smith: "Me too, because I thought he was calling about the other thing. He didn't even know about that until I told him. I suppose that when you're a multi-billion dollar company, you have pretty good sources. "This is 100% true and I challenge him to deny it... He claims not to be homosexual but he insists that he absolutely loves getting f---ed in the ass... And that he used to do that with Marc Wallice and Tom Byron... And he once said to me, you kidding, you've never been f---ed in the ass. You don't know how good it feels." Have you ever been f---ed in the ass? Give Luke the Scoop. Luke to Lowell: "Have you ever been f---ed in the ass? You don't know how good it feels." Lowell: "Never..." Luke: "Have you ever sucked a dick? You don't know how good it feels." Lowell: "Never... I am the least homosexual person you'll find... I'm not anti-homosexual because I believe in live and let live... But I am unhomosexual to the point where there is nothing remotely attractive with any homosexual activity..." Smith: "I got him a job in the summer of 1997 shooting the Michael Morrisson company party they threw at a nightclub in Atlanta... I was doing business with the company so they already had sent me a plane ticket to come down there... But they needed photographers and, they didn't know who he was, but I got Johnny a job... They didn't pay him but they let him shoot whatever he wanted and sell it, and they paid for his airfare and hotel... "When he was already speaking to some of the employees of Michael Morrison's company, he realized by talking to them over the phone, that they were very gay... That was when he started telling me he loved to get f---ed in the ass... "When we went down to Atlanta and he first John Frey, one of Michael's key employees who handled bookings, and realized that he was as gay as he sounded on the phone, and was proud of that, and he liked the way John looked, he said, do you think John will f--- me in the ass? "Johnny's perversions are well documented... He doesn't hide them. The owner threw him out... He was walking around to all my girls and asking them to pee in his mouth... And Rick Bagley, publisher of French Kiss... Douglas Stewart said that the information about the Charles Barkley story, originally it was told to him that Rick Bagley gave you the story. And I said, Rick would never do that. Johnny doesn't like Rick, so it sounds like another Johnny Castano deal... But Rick has testimonials from a number of girls that he knows very well that Johnny, not only does he want girls to pee in his mouth, he wants them to s--- all over him. It's the old story. If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. If he hadn't started up with me, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But he started it, so what am I going to do? "I have no desire to humiliate him, but if he wants to print up obvious lies about me... I think you'll find that most people, most of the girls, have good things to say about me..." Johnny Castano phoned at 4:30PM: "Let me tell you about Lowell Smith. He is such a bigshot... What a snake... Why did he have to call the police on Morrison? Why couldn't he take care of it in other ways? And Morrison, who smacked him, is too big for him [Smith] to f--- around with, man. I'm surprised you don't know anything about him. He's got more money than God. That shows you what a snake Lowell is. He goes to the police... Then he goes to the hospital... Trying to make some more money. Always trying to get somebody for some more money." Luke talked to Douglas Stewart, executive casino host at the Las Vegas Hilton. Stewart: "Thank you for returning my call. I heard you're going to run tomorrow a story about us procuring girls for Charles Barkley..." Luke: "I heard that you guys were running some sort of prostitution operation." Stewart: "That is totally false. Hilton corporation worldwide and Charles Barkley have the best attorneys on this planet... They're very pissed off. Charles Barkley is the last person to ever ever pay for women. Women come to him. He doesn't have to pay for anything. This is totally false. Whoever gave you the information is trying to ruin you as a service. Because Hilton Corporation, we have a lot of power..." Luke: "Well, I heard that you were providing Charles Barkley with hookers?" Stewart: "Charles Barkley? Please... You would be totally slandering..." Luke: "I was also told that a Tony Montaleone was running hookers?" Stewart: "I don't know about Tony Montaleone running any type of service but I just heard from another source that he was invovled in supplying information... But as far as myself, Charles Barkley or any other high end celebrities, none of them pay for those type of services." Luke: "Would someone get fired if a concierge or anyone..." Stewart: "Definitely. Anytime you mention an executive host's name even similar to something like this, yes, he would lose his job." Luke: "Has anyone lost their job like this at the Hilton in the last year or two?" Stewart: "No. The Hilton is extremely strict. They don't get involved in anything like that." Luke: "Didn't Larry Flynt win a million dollars at the Hilton?" Stewart: "Larry Flynt hasn't been here in a year. Tony Montaleone, whose name keeps coming up, and I don't understand why my name came up also? Why?" Luke: "Do you know a Johnny Castano?" Stewart: "I don't know him and I've never met him. I just heard his name through John Grey. Do you have dealings with John Grey [magazine publisher]?" Luke: "Not really. I know of him. I met him once." Stewart: "All I'm letting you know is that Mr. Barkley is extremely pissed off... And you're doing yourself a disservice on airing that." Luke: "Do you have a contact number for someone who handles his publicity?" Stewart: "I handle Charles Barkley." Luke: "You are his man at the Hilton." Stewart: "I am his executive. For gaming only. For about two-and-a-half years..." Luke: "You've never seen him procuring prostitutes?" Stewart: "A guy of his stature, or someone like Brad Pitt, these people don't have to pay for that type of service. They don't need it. It comes to them anyway. It's not like they are involved in anything like that whatsoever... It's degrading. Charles Barkley has never done anything like that at the Las Vegas Hilton." Luke: "Ok, thank you very much sir." Stewart: "How about the story tomorrow?" Luke: "I'll have to go back to my sources and find out what is going on." Stewart: "Please do and know that his attorneys are on standby." Luke: "Right, thanks." HOUSTON, Posted July 31, 1998 -- (AP) A woman filed a $3 million lawsuit against Charles Barkley on Friday, accusing him of throwing her against a restaurant wall last year after she complained he was smoking in a nonsmoking area. Anna Adams said she had also complained that the Houston Rockets star was taking chairs from the table she was sitting at with her husband and guests at Regine's restaurant in Houston in April 1997. Adams claims that Barkley grabbed her and threw her against a wall when she attempted to leave, causing severe bruising on her neck and shoulders. She said her husband tried to come to her aid and he also was assaulted. The lawsuit is just the latest complaint against Barkley. In June, he was fined and ordered to make community service visits to two children's programs to settle charges that he threw a man through a window at an Orlando, Fla., bar last October. In August 1997, a jury rejected a $550,000 lawsuit from a man who claimed Barkley beat him up at a Cleveland nightclub. And Barkley and fellow NBA player Jayson Williams were accused of being in a bar fight in Chicago in 1992. Charges were dropped. Also in 1992, Barkley was acquitted of misdemeanor battery charges brought by a man who said the player broke his nose outside a Milwaukee bar. XXX tells Luke: "You must have a f---ing hardon on this. This is the first I've heard of Charles Barkley's name... I know you don't give a f--- who sues you. I bet the Hilton will seriously pursue Castano. The stuff Lowell tells you is true. Johnny is a bitter motherf---er. He does like to get f---ed in the ass. A girl told me that she squatted over him and pissed in his mouth. He's a supreme f---ing pervert. He brags about f---ing guys in the ass and getting f---ed in the ass. He thinks everybody is a bisexual. You should see this guy, he looks like a little troll. He's about 5'4", hunched over, rotund... A cartoon caricature. All he wants to do is name drop and what he's done for everybody... I find it funny. I knew you would be loving this s---. A f---ing Luke F-rd exclusive." XXX says: Smith approached casino host Tony Monteleone at the Rio and brought slicks of a bunch of porno stars. And Smith said, Tony, I'll make a deal with you. I'll take care of you if you let me have bachelor parties up in the suites. XYZ: Smith used every girl he could with Tony... He's used JR Carrington and her sister, though she just did $100 handjobs... We all know this happens at all the casinos... Lowell pimps bachelor parties including his ex-wife Bunny Bleu, and Tawny Ocean... Smith denies the charges. 11/3/99 I talked to stripper agent Lowell Smith around 10AM. We talked about Atlanta porner Michael Morrisson. Lowell: "I talked to an ex partner of his who was happy to rat him out. Michael was a spoiled rich kid, a delinquent, who didn't have anything else to do with his time so they used rob houses... "His mother died recently. She was holding on to the last of their three porno shops in California." Luke: "His father served three years in federal prison for a 1963 Michigan bank robbery." Lowell: "I guess it runs in the family, from generation to generation. That's Michael... Everybody can experience trouble in their lives. I had a little legal trouble too but mine was white collar, nothing like armed robbery. That's pretty drastic to rob places." Luke: "He robbed a bank with a gun." Lowell: "If you pull a gun on somebody you're just a little bit away from shooting them. And that's as bad a crime as there is. "Maybe he will agreed to be interviewed if you see him in January at the CES. He was in prison for how long?" Luke: "About five years." Lowell: "That's why his partner said he didn't know if he was straight or gay. Imagine what happened during those years... Imagine a good looking kid in a prison that houses people for crimes commensurate with armed robbery. What I said [implying Michael was homosexual] was no stretch of the imagination. He can tell me how he feels if he wants to actually confront me and be a man." Luke: "Did you hear any fallout on the Charles Barkley - Hilton - denial prostitutes story?" Lowell: "I spoke to somebody from the Hilton a few days ago and he brought up the fact that they had asked you not to print that and that you had and that there is going to be some legal fallout. I told Luke that they would do that. Park Place Entertainment [a gambling subsidiary of Hilton Hotels] is now the biggest gaming company in the world and there image is everything to them. And it doesn't matter if they have to spend ten million dollars to try to squash something or to try to do whatever legally their lawyers can do to go after somebody who has printed a story that they don't feel can be legally substantiated. And they will. And he said they have at least half a dozen lawyers working on what kind of legal action they feel they can bring against you." Luke: "Could be interesting." Lowell: "It might be. I guess you like a good fight. I'm surprised you printed it. Personally I would not want that kind of trouble in my life. I guess it makes the blood run quicker. I don't think you've heard the last from them. "These people have enough money to do pretty much anything... If having high powered lawyers and money for legal fees allows you to run roughshod over people, if that is the case, then they certainly have it." Park Place Enterainment is a spin-off from Hilton Hotels for their gambling operations. Lowell: "If I were you, I would consider calling them before they call you." Luke: "How's your business?" Lowell: "Business is good. "The clubs are always concerned about the various legal ordinances that the different areas of the country are bringing against them to try to snuff out their business. Some cities are trying to institute a six foot rule where the girls always have to be at least six feet from the customers or it becomes defined an act of prostitution. "From the feature standpoint, the majority of the clubs feel that the Vivid Girls and the Jenna Jamesons of the world are priced in such a way [$20,000 a week] that nobody can make any money with them. I'm sure some clubs are making money with them, but in my mind, they are not value for money. You book them [for their prestige]. Like booking Sinatra in his heydey, you get his name which brings attention to your place. "I have some clubs that only want those kind of people and I book them through the Lee Network... I am friendly with many of the other agencies. For the customers who insist on the marquee names, I do that for them but my preference has always been to book more moderately priced people that bring more value... Obviously the Lee Network has decided it is important to them to be known as the agency that books the biggest names in the business. Obviously they have to charge the highest prices for these girls. Then they have to try to convince clubs that they are going to make money paying these prices. It is easier for me to show clubs that they can make profits by using somebody who doesn't have as big a name... "As far as I'm concerned, the bottom line is the bottom line... I just booked Felecia through the Lee Network for one of my clubs. She's not cheap. These big names certainly brings a lot of traffic to their clubs. "I'm trying to concern myself more with recruiting brand new girls and starting them as house dancers and seeing which ones will become features. That is more exciting than dealing with the existing stars. The idea of discovering the next Jenna Jameson is very exciting to me." Luke: "How do you find these girls?" Lowell: "There's no pat formula or everybody would do it. A lot of it is luck. You have to run ads in selected places. Talk to people in the adult industry who may come across girls like this. Along the way I come across a lot of girls who may not become the next Jenna Jameson, and may not even want to do porno, but I can make good money with booking them as house dancers. And if they're only moderately good looking, that's fine too. I can roll with that as well." Luke: "Do you advise women with smaller breasts to get implants?" Lowell: "Depends on what they want to do. If they're really interested in becoming major draws on the gentlemen's club circuit, they have to get breast implants because almost every porno star that has gone out without big breasts, even if they were already big porno stars, it's disappointing on the dance circuit. You don't get the same bang... One girl asked me about getting a boob job, and I said, 'it may seem kinda cold, but why do you think they call them titty bars?' "There's no doubt that girls make more money in gentlemen's clubs with big boobs than without. I don't think that has ever even been attempted to be challenged." Luke: "And all the big stars have them?" Lowell: "I think so. Felecia has natural boobs which is one reason why I don't think her price is not as high as girls you'd think would be in her category. And I question whether she's worth the money because all the people who go to gentlemen's clubs may watch porno movies... But they go to these clubs whether Felecia is there or not, and they have a certain standard of girl... If you take a look at the house dancers at some of the top clubs, they all have boob jobs. Because they know what their customers want to see. "Ginger Lynn for years bucked the trend and I think it hurt her. I booked her and I know it hurt her." Luke: "Do you recommend any plastic surgeons?" Lowell: "Dr. Gerald Garou in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, is the best I've ever seen. He did my ex-wife Bunny Bleu. She had hers done three times. Once in New York (1990) which was not a good job. And twice in Fort Lauderdale (1992) by Dr. Garou. "He did a great job on Bunny. I've seen a lot of boob jobs and I would say that she has the best boob job I've ever seen. People who don't know what fake boobs look like would never suspect she had fake boobs." Luke: "What is Bunny doing these days?" Lowell: "Something with the internet." Luke: "When are you getting online?" Lowell: "Good question. First I have to buy a computer. I don't want Castano be able to say forever that I don't have a computer. I'm telling everybody that I am waiting for the Y2K problems to be worked out." 12/12/99 Law Offices of Neil J. Beller, Ltd. Re: Michael Morrison Dear Mr. Ford: This office has been retained by Michael Morrison to seek relief for damages suffered by virtue of untrue and defamatory statements posted by you at your websites http://www.l-keford.com/stars/michael_morrison.htm. At this website, you published statements alleged made by Lois Smith, which are false and defamatory, i.e. that Mr. Morrison is a homosexual, causing him to be placed in false light in the public eye. The First Amendment of the Consitution of the United States of America protects freedom of expression; it does not protect defamatory statements which are published for the specific purpose of causing harm to an individual. By this letter, demand is made upon you to publish a retraction of the defamatory statements made regarding Michael Morrison on your website on or about November, 8, 1999. Mr. Morrison is prepared to avail himself of all remedies available at law in order to seek relief in this matter. Luke says: I do not have a clue whether or not Mr. Morrison is homosexual. And neither does Lowell Smith, who must be the "Lois" person referred to above by Morrison's incompetent attorney. Luke talked by phone to Lowell Sunday afternoon. Lowell: "I've never said Michael Morrison is a homosexual. I've said that Michael Morrison was in prison for many years and you may want to draw certain inferences from that plus the fact that all of his employees at one time were gay, but I've never said he was a homosexual. "This letter is a bulls--- thing. There are no remedies... The only way he can win any money legally from you is to prove that it is untrue which is impossible. Even if he were totally straight, which he's not, how could he prove it? He's got money and lawyers on retainer...but this is totally absurd. "Some of the people who used to work for him call me occassionally. 'Man, I read that thing on l-keford. I'm behind you. Anything you need..." Luke: "Have you received a letter from Michael's attorney?" Lowell: "No I haven't. I guess he's planning to punch me out again." Luke: "I hope he doesn't punch me out." Morrison cold cocked Lowell last January and knocked Lowell out cold, sending him to the hospital. Lowell: "He might try to punch you out but it wouldn't be very good for his impending lawsuit against you. "Believe me, I'm going to be looking over my shoulder at the CES. It would be nice if he would actually face me this time." Luke: "What does he look like?" Lowell: "Michael is tall, about 6'2". He's thin with a baby face. He looks 20-21 years old. He's a pretty boy with a pretty boy model face." Luke: "Do you find him sexually attractive?" Lowell: "Oh Luke, you're too much... I find one thing attractive about Michael... The visualization of being able to pound him into complete bloodied physical submission..." Luke: "I think that when Alexander the Great conquered a territority, he would f--- its leader in front of thousands of people." Lowell: "Don't read anything remotely into that. The only reason that I mention that he is a pretty boy is that it just confirms many people's sneaking suspicion about what Michael's sexual preferences are. Definitely keep me updated about Michael Morrison's battery of lawyers. I wonder if he met them in a bathhouse? "It's too bad that so many of his former employees are scared to death of him or otherwise I'm sure they'd love to give you juicy tidbits about him. These people are just scared to death of him. They don't want their names mentioned and they don't want Michael to know where they are right now because he does apparently inspire that kind of fire in certain people. With me, I'm looking forward to seeing him. It would be nice to be able to look him in the eye." Luke: "Why do these people fear him so much?" Lowell: "He's very powerful in the Atlanta adult entertainment business and is perceived to be the type of person who threatens and is capable of inflicting physical harm on people. That's just a guess... "I'm not afraid of him. He has absolutely no idea what he is dealing with. He just thinks that because he's taller than I am and because he boxes that I would be afraid of him. I happen to be an avid weight lifter. I've leg pressed over 700 pounds and bench pressed over 300. I can certainly take care of him. Of course, I would never be the aggressor because then his lawyers would be after me. I'd make sure there would be a lot of witnesses and make him physically attack me before I did anything." Luke: "Maybe you would get a piece of his empire?" Lowell: "If I were done right... And I certainly would get a big piece of his ass, and I don't mean sexually. "When Mad Jack trashed Jenna Jameson, I hope he didn't mention my name. I was there but I didn't say anything. I thought she was pretty hot. What I may think about her lack of professionalism is one thing, but as far as being on stage... And I think Nikki Tyler was pretty hot too... And I don't book either of them. "I thought Jenna looked fine. I would've jumped her in a second. I think she's more worried about people trashing her looks. I don't think she cares that people think she's the world's biggest flake. But when people start putting down the way she looks, that really upsets her. And I can understand that because that is her whole life. What else does she have aside from her looks? People don't hang around her because she is a great human being. "I think Johnny Castano and Michael Morrison should get together... I introduced the two in Atlanta when we were all friendly and I don't think Michael gave him more than two seconds of his time." 1/2/2000 Luke talked Saturday night by telephone to booking agent in the strip club scene who gave the lowdown on his rivals. XXX: "You've never written about Lowell Smith's arrest [and conviction around 1993 in Florida]. He spent two years [actually 13 months, released in 1995] in federal prison for some white collar crime (counterfeiting and fraud)." Lowell: "Technically speaking, those were the charges." XXX: "Lowell Smith tells everybody that he got $10,000 from the guy who beat him up last year, Michael Morrison. Michael could not afford to go to jail, being a convicted felon." Lowell denies receiving any money from Morrison. Lowell says he's had no contact with Morrison since Michael flattened him at the 1999 CES. Lowell: "Looking at the way that facts have been distorted, this can only by Richard Machelli telling you this... If he's been in the business for 28 years, I must not have heard of him for 21 of those years. He's such a minor person in the business. He's a cripple. He broke in his ankle in a club in Connecticutt. If he's such a big agent, how come he never goes to any of the trade shows? Nobody has even seen this man. He has as much of a chance representing the Vivid Girls as I do of being the first man on Mars. "I'm not really Lowell Smallowitz. My grandfather from Romania was named Smallowitz and when he came into this country at Ellis Island, the immigration official told him that you are now Smith. "I'll give you a quote about Richard Machelli. When he does his next booking, it will probably be his first." XXX: "Lowell's trying to make himself look big. He's been doing that since he came out. He's been recruiting girls to work at the cat ranches [illegal brothels in Nevada]. He also works with escort services in Las Vegas." Lowell Smith firmly denies these charges. He says he has never booked anyone for escort work. Other sources disagree. XXX: "Lowell Smith is not a registered booking agent [for strippers]. About five booking agents are not licensed, including your good friend Charley Frey. And Marty Foyer (who operates out of his house). They're supposed to register with their individual state. Certain states you don't have to, but in Florida, New York, and Nevada and many others, you have to register." Luke: "But they can say they are talent managers rather than talent agents." XXX: "Were you at the club owners convention last year? Lowell was running prostitution there... He had a couple of hookers." Lowell denies this. He also says that most of the clubs he deals with are not owned by Arabs. "What's Richard going to do? Threaten to tell them that I am Jewish?" Richard Machelli: "Deja Vu is getting hurt by the government. The state of Washington is restricting a lot of things. Charley Frey dropped a dime to the feds on Harry Mohney [convicted felon who owns Deja Vu]. Harry is on federal parole. Lowell Smith also dropped a dime on Deja Vu. "Lowell talked to Metro [another name for the Las Vegas police department]. Lowell said something like, if I can't get work here, Deja Vu might as well not get work here because Harry is as much of a convicted felon as I am. A convicted felon can't register a corporation in Nevada. Lowell says Harry was using different titles. After that, Metro left Lowell alone for a few weeks. "Lowell is paranoid. Lowell is afraid of cops. He's petrified of cops. If you knock on his door and say police, he'll go through the wall. He likes to get the cops on his side, if he can. His real last name is not Smith, it is Smallowitz. He started his career in New York City on 42nd Street. He went to Florida. Got in trouble with the authorities. Went to Vegas. Went to prison. Been in Vegas eversince. His company is a non-existing company." Lowell says he's had a Las Vegas business license since 1995. And he welcomes Richard Machelli to walk up to his house and yell about the cops. Lowell: "Almost all the people Richard wants to represent, I have contact with. And they want nothing to do with him. "Richard, I'm sorry to have to say all this about you and I know that you are mad at me because I told a club owner a long time ago, when asked for a referral, that I had no knowledge of any booking that you have ever done. I'm sorry to have had to have told the truth about you but if you can prove otherwise, I am all ears." XXX: "Lowell has been warned to cease and desist on a lot of people. He's been harassing girls. Giving them ultimatums such as work with me or you don't work. Or telling the girls that you have to sleep with him to get a job. Most of the clubs he deals with are owned by arabs. "Lowell co-books with Universal, owned by Eleanor, originally from Massachusetts, she now owns a club in Connecticutt. She's on the up and up. She's legit." Lowell says he does co-book with Universal but that there have been no cease-and-desist orders executed against him. And that he does not tell the girls that they have to sleep with him to get work. Richard: "Club owners in California are retarded. I spoke to somebody yesterday in La Habra who does not know what he is doing. There were 40 partners in the place. You're guaranteed to lose money in this business if you don't know what you are doing. They used to deal with Lowell [Smith] before he screwed them up." Luke asked Lowell: "Do you remember screwing 40 partners in La Habra?" Lowell: "No. I only once dealt with a club in La Habra." Richard: "Lowell is interesting with his agency. He's promising girls everything... He works out of his house. He's not registered." Lowell: "I am interesting. I am downright fascinating. Do I promise the girls that they will make money? Yes, if they do their jobs, they will make money. "If Richard spent as much time trying to get bookings as giving you this erroneous information, he might've booked someone in all these years." Smith remembers talking by phone to Richard Machelli while Lowell lived in Florida in the early '90s. Lowell: "We were friendly. He'd call and talk volumes... And everybody, including me, after a half an hour of the same garbage, always has to pretend that they have another phone call just to get rid of this nuisance. "Richard has a partner? He must have a mouse in his pocket. That's the 'we.' I've booked Phoenix and I've never even heard of those two clubs [Richard says he owned]." Luke: "I guess Richard is going to sneak up on a lot of people." Lowell: "I don't think so. I think he'll just bore them to death. He's not going to sneak up on anybody. He's going to limp up..." 1/18/00 Sana Fey vs Lowell Smith I talked to Sana Fey by phone Tuesday morning and to Lowell Smith Tuesday night. SF: "I caught something at CES. Everybody got something." [Lowell: "News to me. I did not catch anything."] Luke did not go to one party at CES or IA2000 and luckily did not get ill. I arrived in Vegas feeling sick and left feeling tired but good. Sana Fey: "I'm all better now... Let me tell you about two people, Lowell Smith and Stripper magazine, Rob Abner Publishing. "Last January, I was represented by Lowell and he talked me into taking a $2500 ad out in Stripper magazine. In the ad, I placed Lowell's name as one of my agents. [Lowell: "I did not talk her into anything. She was dying for publicity and she asked me whether or not I felt that advertising in Exotic Dancer magazine was better than advertising in Stripper. I recommended because the cost was half of Exotic Dancer. I have no financial interest in Stripper magazine. I don't think it makes any money. If I did have a financial interest, I'd be stupid."] "And then in April, I fired Lowell. Because he was trying to place me in clubs that did not pay well and he was trying to make me do things that I was not happy with. And then I also found out at that same time that he is not a licensed agent in Nevada. [Lowell: "Fired? She should be so lucky to be in a position to fire me. As far as clubs not paying well, she's a redheaded hag. And she's lucky to get $100 a show, let alone what I got for her. So no club is going to pay well because she's a total nothing. She's a zero. The bookings I got for her were gifts because at one time I was stupid enough to like her. As far as doing things she didn't want to do, she asked me about the possibility of doing "private shows." I never brought it up. I never bring it up to anybody. It was her inquiries that started this whole thing. As for the license issue, I have a business license. The state of Nevada does not license this type of agent.'] "At that point, I called Stripper mag and said that I don't want Lowell's name on the ad. And he never removed that because him and Lowell are buddies. At this time, I decided to go exclusive with FEV [Florida Entertainment Ventures operated by Charley Frey]. Lowell: "When I brought this up to her loser boyfriend David Christopher at the show, even he couldn't rebutt it. I don't have anything to do with what Stripper magazine prints. I have no interest in choreographing my name as her representative. It is no feather in my cap to be known as her agent. That's like being the agent for somebody who sells used cars. Luke: "Have you ever f---ed her?" Lowell: "Never. Never had the slightest desire to. She is not my type at all. I'm not fond of redheaded girls. I'm not fond of redheaded girls who have an ass a mile wide. "And anyone who goes exclusive with Charley Frey, that's like saying, 'Give me kudos because I am an axe murderer.'" Sana Fey: "I was doing a full interview with them [Stripper mag]. My fiance David [Christopher] was sitting there the whole time. And I said that I was exclusive with FEV and he [Stripper mag] said 'I won't place FEV in my magazine.'" Lowell: "No reputable publisher would." SF: "I said 'Fine. If you can't place FEV, then don't place any agents at all.' I got this magazine a year late, and it not only has Lowell in an advertisement advertising for him, but he also falsely advertises that Lowell represents me. That I am willing to go into people's clubs for free. "The ad made me lose business. I guarantee you that club owners have been calling up Lowell." Lowell: "Let her show me that ad. No club owners have been calling me to book Sana Fey. She is no draw. There are people who have done one video who are bigger draws than she is. If you look up 'loser' in the dictionary, it has her picture under it. And David's." "In June, I had to finish up two last bookings by Lowell. So I went to Las Vegas and he put me up in the Hilton. And I've worked for this club numerous times. And I knew the owner and he was a little surprised I was in the Hilton. "Well, in front of David, Lowell walks in and says, 'You need to go talk to the casino host.' And I'm going, 'Why do I need to go talk to the casino host?' "As I'm leaving the Hilton for my booking, they try to charge me for all my rooms. So I got the casino host on the phone, and he called me a bitch. He said, 'Listen you bitch, I had lots of clients for you. Lowell said you would take them... You pay for your own goddam room.' "I was furious. I got Lowell on the phone and I started screaming at him. 'Listen you motherf---er. If I plan to be a prostitute, I'll be a prostitute on my own goddam time. Don't you ever assume that I will do this.'" Luke has heard previous allegations about a casino host at the Las Vegas Hilton arranging for acts of prostitution. Lowell: "This has nothing to do with the Hilton. It has to do with a private customer. "If she ever talked to me that way, it would be the last time she ever talked to anybody that way. She certainly never used that language. When she told me that she was interested in doing some privates, I arranged for something at the Hilton. And then between the time she asked me to do it, and the time she got there, apparently she became involved with David Christopher. And she didn't want him to know she was a whore. So to cover herself up, she disavowed any knowledge of it, even though the only reason why she was staying at the Hilton, because it was being taken care of by the customer. When she got cold feet, he of course told the Hotel that he would not pay for her food and drinks... "And if she had ever called me a motherf---er, what she would've heard would've been enough to have stopped her from ever being in the business again. She knows she can never talk to me that way. That's why they're going behind my back, spreading stories about me. Because they don't have the balls to talk to me that way." Sana Fey: "At that point, Lowell knew that him and I were never going to speak again... "And then, as I was going off for a booking to Jersey, a call girl service called my home phone number and said 'We have lots of clients. My understanding through your agent is that you will prostitute.' "And I'm going, 'I'm engaged. I don't think so. I don't do that.' Then they apologized. They were told false information." Lowell: "By her own admission, I was no longer her agent. I'd say they probably called because she'd made inquiries in other places about doing 'privates.'" "And in my full interview, Stripper gives nothing but false information. So all these club owners are calling Lowell and Lowell and I hate each other. David almost punched Lowell's lights out on the showroom floor [at the 2000 CES]. Lowell tried to avoid me and David got in his face and said, 'I have something to take up with you.' "At the show, a magazine informed us that Lowell had given an interview stating that myself, Rebecca Wilde, and XXX were prostitutes on the road. I can't believe this guy has gone so far overboard. He's a wannabe agent." Lowell: "That is absurd. XXX and Rebecca Wild are very good friends of mine. I've never said anything of the type about either of them. They are the last people I'd even think... Especially Rebecca Wild. She's as straight as they come." Luke to Sana Fey: "Are you still with Spearmint Rhino? I heard you were their $200,000 contract girl." Sana Fey: "That was a huge lie. They wanted to sign me. I did a boxcover shoot for them. And after I did the shoot, all of a sudden, they just ceased contact with me. I kept in contact with the photographer. They owe me... I could probably take them to court because they used that photo in AVN without paying me. Without giving me a model release. Without my acknowledgement. I never shot that video. I was never exclusive with them. They told everybody that I was exclusive with them. They still owe the photographer and make-up for all their work and I understand that they [Spearmint Rhino] owe AVN quite a bit of money." Luke: "Are you still doing videos?" Sana Fey: "I'm only doing girl-girl now that I am engaged. I mainly just run our websites, sanafey.com and pussyman.com. I had to take his site down and rebuild it. He got ripped off..." David: "I've been online for a couple of years now but I've got something decent running. When I found out that she was good at it, I said, 'Take it baby. It's all yours.' "I'm shooting exclusively for Legend - Decadent Divas (an all-girl fetish line), Pussyman, American Cocksucking Championship and BBG (Bad Black Girls - black chicks and white guys). "Shooting black girls and white guys was my original thing back in the [mid] '80s in New York City. I was the last guy to come to California. Ron Jeremy and I were the first actors to become directors. "American Cocksucking Championship is tremendous because it is the only blowjob series that has quality blowjobs as compared to just 18 girls sucking off a cock. I have a regular ring, and I go back stage like a regular boxing match, with entrance ways, announcing and the whole bit. And I have a championship match and a semi-final and the biggest guys in the business come in and the girls compete. The girls want to win the match and they girl all out. The first one matched Inari Vachs and Shanna McCullough. The second one used Anastasia Blue against Midori. Incredible. And number three is coming out next week - Alexandra Silk against Lola. And we shot four, that was Courtney Love against Candy Apples." XXX writes: David Christopher keeps saying he was ripped off on his website. The truth is, he just didn't understand the concept of his website fully, didn't participate to the degree of which he is now. There was just a huge misunderstanding on part of both parties, but the intention to rip him off was just not there. In actuality, the website itself was costing more than it was earning. The company who formally hosted his website took a loss in both profit and labor. Truth is, it's great he has Sana Fey to run his website because she is extremely competent in that area and DC didn't seem to be making his website desires clear to the former company. Bottom line, what was previously a misunderstanding (not a "rip off" situation) was just solved by having Sana Fey understand his needs more clearly. Lowell: "CES worked out well for me. I got a blonde girl, Stephanie Doll, an exclusive contract with Sin City. She's gonna be a Penthouse Pet." Luke: "Did you get punched out this CES?" Lowell: "Not at all. The incident with David Christopher worked the other way around. If he hadn't walked away, he would've been part of the floor. He walked past me with her, and stuck his finger near my chest. Luckily it did not hit my chest or I would've hit him. And he said, 'You're in trouble buddy.' And they kept walking. So I followed him. I figured it was time to have this out because I'd been hearing that he had been saying bad things about me. I said, 'David, what the hell is wrong with you? We've been friends for years. We knew each other in New York. You're acting like a pussy, telling people things about me, when in the very least, if you have a problem with me, you should be a man and call me and ask me about it. But no, you don't do that. You hide behind your bimbo.' He said, 'Don't call her a bimbo, she's gonna be my wife.' And I said, 'I don't care. She's still a bimbo. And the point is, you're a pussy. Because only a pussy would be telling stories about a guy who was a friend of his for eight years instead of confronting him.' And he said, 'Well, f--- off Lowell.' "And I said, 'David, why don't you come over here and take your best shot so I can mop the floor with you.' And he looked at me and walked the other way, the only thing that saved him because I was ready to knock him out. And you know what, if the opportunity arises, I don't think I'll wait. I'll just kill him." Luke: "Literally kill him?" Lowell: "Nah, I would never literally kill him. That would be too good for him. I'll just inflict a little pain on him. I'll try to make him hit me first, then it will only be self defense." Luke: "Do you think he is a pussy man?" Lowell: "He is a pussy man... "One of my friends saw me without my shirt on during the show. 'Man, you look like Arnold Schwartnaegger now.' I said 'Yeah, I have been pumping it up a little bit. You're right.' The last year, with the advent of Creatine, I've made a lot of progress. Creatine is used by just about every athlete... It's a substance that channels extreme energy to the muscles."
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