Traditionally, fathers-in-law interviewed their prospective sons-in-law. But I turned the tables Tuesday (March 21, 2006).
With great exertion, I kept myself from calling him "Dad."
Humphry, 64, phones me back at 11:09 a.m.
Luke: "When did you begin work on this book?"
Humphry: "The early 80s. I started on a Mac Plus computer. I've had other projects in between. I finished it last year."
Luke: "What prompted you to join MySpace?"
Humphry: "Just a joke. The kids in the office, you catch 'em on MySpace. Hmm, obviously you have lots of spare time. Maybe I should find you something to do. The younger girls spend a lot of time on MySpace. I don't have the foggiest idea how to respond to anybody. I have the weirdest people wanting to be my friend."
Luke: "They are my readers. I linked to your MySpace profile."
Humphry: "I'm getting bombarded by the oddest people with not the faintest connection with what I'm about.
"If they are your readers, I will look at them with more respect."
Humphry: "Serfs and so on. You had a whole class of people that belonged to a different caste and it was as though they had different feelings. You couldn't exploit them if you didn't think that. That was the white mentality."
Luke: "Do you think things are better in South Africa today?"
Humphry: "Hell yes. I went back last October. My mother, God bless her, is still alive at 87. The mayor of the little town where she lives is a black lady. We are happy with the political situation. It is so much better than Zimbabwe, which is a horrible dictatorship."
Luke: "Isn't crime and rape out of control in South Africa?"
Humphry: "In large cities in particular. Many of the perpetrators aren't even South African. They come flowing down from the north, from Uganda, Rwanda, Nigeria, Angola. In South Africa there's work."
Luke: "What was so puritanical and Calvinist about your background?"
Humphry: "My mother was brought up in the Dutch Reform Church, which is a Calvinistic sect. The whole period I was in South Africa [until 1966], television was banned. I didn't see television until I went to England at age 25."
Luke: "Was that a bad thing?"
Humphry: "It was awful. We really felt deprived. It was thought to be dangerous because it introduced foreign influences. The Afrikaaner apartheid regime wanted the modern world to stay away.
"I imagine that my early interest in porn was that we were never allowed to see anything like that in South Africa. The most risque thing you could see were bikinis.
"Then getting to swinging London in 1966 where you had Page Three topless girls, nude modeling agencies, that was a huge cultural shock."
Luke: "Did you have much sex in South Africa?"
Humphry: "Yes, at university, I managed to get it in a little bit. I worked there for a couple of years as a teacher after graduating. The girls were pretty hot.
"I wasn't into the swinging parties until London."
Luke: "You write: 'Nero seemed to the most 60s of the Roman emperors and, looking back, I probably wanted to recreate that magical time in a historical setting.' What was so magical about the swinging 60s in London?"
Humphry: "There was the feeling that the world was going to change, which of course it didn't. Not much, anyway. There was this feeling of infinite possibility. There was this curious mixture of gangsters, musicians, hipsters, aristocrats, moderns... Everyone was turning on together and you had this feeling of novelty and revelation.
Luke: "Cammell committed suicide in 1996."
Humphry: "I'm going to work him as a character into a new novel.
"There's a new book coming out called Donald Cammell: A Life on the Wild Side. My order has been in on Amazon for months.
"I was just watching a  BBC documentary entitled Donald Cammell: The Ultimate Performance.
"He was one of the most interesting people I've ever met. He was a naughty boy.
"London in the 60s was libertinism to the point of license. Acid, grass, booze, girls, rock 'n' roll, wild parties, taken to the extreme with the swinging parties. They were some of the funniest and most interesting experiences I've been through.
"I was introduced to it in 1971 with the Wet Dream Festival in Amsterdam. Germaine Greer was there."
Luke: "But it was all a delusion."
Humphry: "It wasn't a delusion. It was experimental and didn't work. Once the yobs started emptying out of the pubs and started busting these psychadelic gatherings, it ruined the whole thing. It only lasted three or four months. I remember being in a club where Pink Floyd was playing in the corner in 1966."
Luke: "This idea that the world was going to change was a delusion."
Humphry: "Yes. It didn't turn out that way. Part of it was the turbulence from the Vietnam War. It was the rock 'n' roll era and peace and love and all that stuff."
Luke: "Why would you want to recreate a magical time that was based upon delusional beliefs?"
Humphry: "It was an awful lot of fun. I know you're asking me about Nero.
"Nero was the first person in history, certainly the first leader, to use soft power. The whole Roman modus operandi was hard power. He was the first guy to use soft power as a diplomatic force.
"What we had was rock 'n' roll. It sped around the globe. I picked it up in South Africa. It was tremendously influential in introducing American values. It was an extremely successful use of soft power. That's what Nero was going for. That was the climax of the Roman empire during that [first] century.
"Nero had this brilliant flash that he could [govern] through converting people to the cause of art and music. We now think of it as delusionary. It was. It was a brilliant flash-forward to what is happening now.
"American culture is a huge force in the Third World. It's only a matter of time before it imposes the other aspects of democracy on the Third World. The music and the culture and the art are the stalking horse."
Luke: "Where do you identify with and admire Nero?"
Humphry: "In his use of soft power. He wasn't a homicidial lunatic as people claim. It was a time of enormous turbulence. You had to kill off your rivals if you were going to survive. He killed off fewer people than his predecessors Claudius and Tiberius.
"Why did certain people rebel at certain times? This comes back to the self-fulfilling prophecy. The stars say that Nero is in a dire situation on April 18, 65 AD when Epaphroditus (my narrator) foils the great conspiracy of Piso.
"When Halley's Comet appeared in 66, Nero was warned by his astrologer that he had to do something to placate the comet. The comet was thought to predict the death of a king. You'd know that at that time your enemies were putting their heads together to knock you off."
Luke: "Do you believe our lives are affected by the stars?"
Humphry: "Absolutely not."
Luke: "Why would you spend ten years of your life studying something you believe to be nonsense?"
Humphry: "It gives you a key that's almost never been used aside from Michael R. Molnar, who wrote 1999's The Star of Bethlehem: The Legacy of the Magi. He and I correspond.
"It's a historical tool. You can do an anthropological study of voodoo without believing in voodoo."
Luke: "Why not spend that time studying something you believe in?"
Humphry: "I just studied astrology to the degree that that proved to be a useful tool. I wondered why certain things in Nero's life happened at that time. Why did he kill his mother? Why did his mother try to kill him?
"The chronological scale is the vertebra of history. You can work out what the astrologer would've been whispering into his client's ear 2,000 years ago. Astrology exceeded every other religion in power and influence. Astrology is an intoxicating mixture of science and religion."
Luke: "Do you see anything good in religion?"
Humphry: "Solace. It cheers people up. It gives them hope."
Luke: "But you don't need that solace?"
Humphry: "Sure I do. Everybody does. It's just an impossibility, something for which absolutely no proof exists."
Luke: "Ultimately, is there objective meaning to life?"
Humphry: "Absolutely. Propagation."
Luke: "What's the point?"
Humphry: "So you live forever, or until the comet comes."
Luke: "So there isn't any ultimate meaning."
Humphry: "By having children, or relatives who have children, you do continue. You are billions of years of old. There's an unbroken stream of life from the beginning to you."
Luke: "Do you see yourself living on in your children?"
Humphry: "Notably, the poor bastards. They'll be carrying some of my strengths and a lot of my weaknesses."
Luke: "Is it fair to say that you hate religion?"
Humphry: "Absolutely not. I don't, for example, hate astrology. I find it interesting that people have these irrational convictions."
Luke: "You love Sam Harris's book The End of Faith. That book is bathed in hatred of religion."
Humphry: "He doesn't like religions that are jihadistic, that are aggressive. To have nuclear weapons in the hands of people who believe that the world has to be destroyed to save it is dangerous."
Luke: "How could you not hate religion when every organized religion of which I am aware says that the industry we work in is evil."
Humphry: "I don't know if you are correct in saying that every religion does so. Do the Hindus believe that? The Buddhists?"
Luke: "We know that the three monotheistic religions do."
Humphry: "Those are just our little religions. There are lots of others. I don't know if the Chinese, isn't that Shintoism? I don't know if they have the same attitude.
"During Greek and Roman culture, you had pornographic drawings in public bathhouses. It's not true to say that every religion hates erotica. Some of those Indian religions have the Kama Sutra and elaborate drawings of erotica."
Luke: "How do you feel about the people who dedicate much of their lives to wanting to put pornographers such as you in jail?"
Humphry says that free speech has always had its enemies, and that pornography is without a doubt a form of free speech. "Even a cartoon can cause a ripple that runs around the world and causes over 100 deaths."
Luke: "There was a time when you pulled Holly aside when she was eight and said, 'Mommy and daddy might be going to jail.'"
Humphry: "That was the Traci Lords thing. Now I'm afraid that our stuff is too vanilla."
Luke: "Would you elaborate on this sentence you wrote: 'I know that Nero would have approved that my wife Suze Randall has gone on to become the world's most successful erotic photographer.'"
Humphry: "Because erotic vignettes were a part of Roman dinner parties, even during the Republican period before Nero. It was usual for the more risque members of the aristocractic society to have a porno show as a highpoint of a dinner party. You bring on the actors and they do their scene and they get applause and some coins thrown at them. This is during Julius Caesar's time long before we get into 'decadent' Nero and Caligula.
"These are the roots of our civilization. We're trying to get there. They had a much more liberal attitude towards sexuality and erotica than we have."
Luke: "How would you feel if a daughter of yours became a porn actress?"
Humphry pauses for five seconds. "Obviously there would be nothing I would try to do to prevent her. I'd prefer to have her at the books studying. It's a short shelf-life. As a result, I wouldn't recommend it to anybody who has any alternative."
Luke: "Would you not be filled with horror?"
Humphry: "I don't think so, otherwise I couldn't be associated with it at all.
"There would be some shock, initially, I'd imagine, if it was suddenly jumped on me, surprise. I would definitely not forbid it. I haven't forbidden anything."
Luke: "How would you feel about one or all of your offspring working in the family business behind the scenes?"
Humphry: "I don't mind at all."
Luke: "What wishes do you have for your kids aside from being happy?"
Humphry: "I can't think of anything better than happiness. Happiness requires a lot of components."
Luke: "Is happiness achievable as a direct objective or is it only achievable as a byproduct of higher pursuits?"
Humphry: "Happiness has so many components..."
Luke: "What price have you paid for your association with pornography? Has it made your life as a writer more difficult?"
Humphry: "Just the opposite. It's given me the free time to write because we've made money. It's been a boon for the writing."
Luke: "Have you encountered a lot of people who take you less seriously because of your association with porn?"
Humphry: "No. They're fascinated by the odd combination of high-grade intellectual pursuits and [porn]. They're confused. They expect pornographers to have gold necklaces and to be sleazy greasy dimwits. They come across a guy who used to be a teacher, whose father was a teacher, whose wife's father was a teacher, a straight background, dabbling in this business."
Luke: "Are there parts of your book you are most happy with and parts you are least happy with?"
Humphry: "I was happy with the whole thing because I was able to rewrite it so many times. A lot of people find it hard to get it. They think it is a book by an astrologer. They don't understand that it is an anti-astrology book, that it shows it up as a false science. It's part of my general religious skepticism. It is preposterous to imbue these planets with human personalities."
Luke: "I saw in the book a metaphor for your own journey. The slave is you."
When I brought this up to Holly, she said her father would hate this theory.
Humphry: "That's certainly insightful. I do identify with Epaphroditus, coming from nowhere and ending up in Hefner's jacuzzi."
Luke: "Many of these porn potentates, such as Hefner and Larry Flynt, remind me of these Roman emperors."
Humphry: "The sybaritic lifestyle. These caesars were military dictators."
Luke: "They also had a court that paid them obeisance. If you betrayed them once, you were out."
Humphry: "They had to do that. There was no secure line of kingship.
"Larry Flynt never set up a court on the scale of Hefner. Hefner was the king. Flynt lives in a small house. We used to go five times a week to Hefner's mansion. There was an open bar 24-hours a day, superb meals served when you want them, the parties, and the famous jacuzzi where things happened. There were Bunnies living on the premises."
Luke: "Do you regret writing the book Suze, which cost you your relationship with Hefner and his mansion?"
Humphry chuckles. "I suppose so."
On New Year's Eve (I guess it was after a few drinks), Humphry and Suze told me that they did not regret the book.
Humphry: "Suze was moving on with her career. The problem with working for Playboy was that they owned everything. We would not be in the financial position we are in now if we had stayed with Playboy.
"Hef's mansion was the most magical party center in America."
Luke: "What do you love and hate about being a part of the porn industry?"
Humphry: "You get to see some beautiful girls. I don't like meeting them because it usually ruins the illusion. As works of art, some of them are fantastic.
"What I hate about it is the sordidness that sometimes comes along with it. The drugs. They ruin themselves. They associate with the wrong people. Some of the producers do things I think are inappropriate and pretty disgusting and probably not healthy. You see girls who are roughed up."
Luke: "Why do you think girls do pornography?"
Humphry: "For the money. They can go from somebody who tosses hamburgers at McDonalds for $5 an hour to somebody making a $1,000 a day."
Luke: "Can you respect someone who has made the choice to star in pornographic movies?"
Humphry: "Absolutely. I think Jenna's great. I used to know her very well. She was frequently a guest here. I liked Traci Lords a lot until I found out she was underage. Veronica Hart. There are a lot of bright girls. Jenna is the postergirl for pornography.A really sweet, really straight girl who put her head together and made something of herself. I don't know how many millions. I think she has a good life."
Luke: "What percentage of women who do this does it turn out to their advantage?"
Humphry: "I'd imagine the stats would be similar to the regular starlet stats in regular Hollywood. Most people just get burnt or don't get anywhere and just collapse. For every Charlize Theron, you have thousands of wannabes who sleep with producers and do prostitution to keep going and in the end they would have to go home with their tails between their legs with some of the best years of their life, when they could've been getting an education, for example, spent on trying to become a movie star."
Luke: "Is pornography just another form of prostitution?"
Humphry: "There's a big difference between prostitution and pornography. Prostitution is disgusting. That is one thing I would be very upset about if one of my kids got into. You just take whatever comes, fat old hairy men, anything. It's very dangerous. It's awful.
"In pornography, you know the guys are going to be presentable and professional and tested and often a fun experience to be with. Prostitution is just about the lowest form unless you are very high-priced hookers, and even they don't have much choice in who they can take on. Any girl in porn will know who she is going to do it with. With us, we ask the girl, 'Who would you like to work with?'"
Luke: "What's the difference between being an 'erotic photographer' and a 'pornographer'?"
Humphry: "Semantics. No difference."
Many of the things Holly told me about her parents they contradicted. Either she isn't seeing them clearly or they are not telling me the truth. Holly believed her parents would be appalled by my memoir. I don't think that would be true.
Holly often tells me that her mother could not accomplish a photo shoot without her. Somehow Suze was doing it for more than 20 years without Holly's help.
Holly doesn't believe her parents business would run without her help. She feels it is her fate to run it. I say she should create her own life separate from her parents and their business.
The happiest time of her life was when she lived in Santa Barbara (prior to 1997) a couple of hours drive from her family and away from their business.
Holly writes me: "I wasn't aware my grandmother was a member of a Calvinist sect! Ridiculous how I have to find out from Luke about my family!"
HollyRandall: i liked your interview
Amalek writes me: "You've had better. No sparks. And you failed to ask my questions. Your love for Holly's eggs blunted your style."
Kaiser Sauze writes me: "I'll be in LA in the summer. Maybe we can all hook up and have a meal (Johnny Thrust too). It would be a lively chat I should think. For the first five minutes anyway. PS - Holly's paying."
HollyRandall writes: "I knew Kaiser would make a comment about how the whites treated the blacks in SA, and trace it back to me. I love these people who come out of nowhere and go around denouncing people while they hide behind a pseudonym."
Publicist/agent Daniel Metcalf writes:
That's The Way I Like It
Leslie writes: "I would guess the average lukeisback reader doesn't give a damn about reading an interview with your future father-in-law but it would be a total different story if it was with your future mother-in-law though. I guess Suze would decline, it wouldn't be good for her business if you'd ask her the good questions."
Holly writes me:
An ex-porn journalist writes me:
HollyRandall: i fixed up my dad's myspace
page for him
Chaim Amalek: Ask Hump if the Jewish lobby is insufficiently powerful
I interview author Humphry Knipe (husband to photographer Suze Randall and father of Holly Randall) about his book The dominant man: The mystique of personality and prestige:
* What are the implications for politics from your book?
HK: Profound. We have to be aware of the pecking order instinct that is wired into us and which makes us such easy prey to authoritarianism, whether religious (Islam) or secular (fascism). As long as we are human we will never be able to shake this thing off.
* How has it stood the test of time? Has new research validated or invalidated it? How so?
HK: Actually, when it was published in 1972 it was still widely held by liberals that the infant mind was tabula rasa - a blank table - on which anything could be written. The instinct theory was discredited by, for example, by Ashley Montagu in his influential "Man and Aggression" which was published in 1973.
The modern view is that we are, in fact, soft wired - we have an inborn propensity to behave in a certain way, but culture can modify that to some extent. However atavistic instinct remains only a heartbeat away. Why? Because it's the tried and true fall back position.
* Are humans just another animal? What distinguishes us from animals?
HK: Of course we are animals, smart animals although maybe not smart enough to deal with the power of destructive technology.
* What about the women? Your book is largely about men. Do women demonstrate status differentials in the same ways as men?
HK: We had a chapter on women but this grew into such a page consuming monster we dropped it. Thought of writing "The Dominant Woman" (I'm married to one, Holly is another). Could have, should have. Would have made me rich and famous by now and getting interviewed by the NY Times!
* What do you think of the book The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life?
HK: Regarding The Bell Curve, which I have not read except in reviews: Obviously high intelligence coupled with high dominance (for example Julius Caesar et al) will improve the chances of the assertive individual getting to the top of the heap - although modern American politics indicates that intellectual brilliance is not essential for the highest political office - "people skills" is the must.
Brilliant but shy back room boys have the brains but not the extroversion, assertion, executive demeanor, charisma or whatever the latest buzz word is, to get into the executive office. The beta may be a tyrant to the gamma, delta and epsilons, but he (or she) goes mysteriously shy in the company of an alpha.
I email Holly's dad Mr Knipe:
Holly's mom Suze Randall has been nominated for a FAME Best Director award, even though she hasn't directed a movie since the 1980s. Isn't America a great country?
Holly's Dad Humphry Knipe Wins Independent Publisher Book Award For Best Historical Fiction For His Recent Novel The Nero Prediction
HollyRandall: hey my dad won that award!
I email Humph my congratulations. "Holly's very excited." He replies:
I read Jenna's book a few months ago (it took me about eight hours). I read Suze's 1978 book Friday in two hours.
They have more in common than in what separates them. They both fit snugly into the porn star biography bracket.
The major differences:
* Jenna is porn's biggest star of all time. Suze is porn's biggest photographer of all time but the book stops before Suze's photography career blasts off. Suze needs a sequel.
* Cultural. Suze's book is laugh-at-the-pain British while Jenna's is Oprah-style American. There's not as much introspection and confession in Suze's work. Suze's book is a fun easy read with large sections for the wanker crowd. Jenna's book is a more challenging read and is about five times as long. She's more open about her life.
Suze's book is a laugh. Jenna bleeds.
* Generational. Suze's book was published when just being in porn was a big deal. Jenna's book comes out of an older, more accepted, industry. Suze came of age when swinging was a political statement. Few people today think of porn and swinging as part of a philosophy.
* Success. Jenna's book was a bestseller.
Suze Randall's 1978 autobiography was written by her husband Humphry Knipe.
It gives me a special thrill to read something that Holly has withheld from me for so long (about the only thing she's withheld from me):
Ben advises her to get some prints off Otto and show them to nude talent agent Vicky Porter.
Otto pays her 17 pounds for her 8.5 hours of posing.
Desperate for money, Suze talks to Humphry (who earns 120 pounds a month teaching language in the mornings) about having sex with an old man for 50 pounds. He's amused. "It'll make a great anecdote in your memoirs," he tells her.
She got smashed and the sex was all over with the fat man in five minutes.
Suze says this was her only brush with prostitution.
I'm annoyed by the number of "of course" expressions. If something is "of course," you should just say what it is. The book's wordy, with too many "quites" and other fillers.
Two photographers turned Suze's career around -- David Hurn and Michael Boys. She got a new agent -- Doris Lester - and got paid quicker.
Suze spent $1000 for a Nikon camera. After six months of depression, she picked it up and learned photography, often from the men who photographed her.
She became known as "rebel cameragirl Suze," and she rode the women's lib movement to success.
The models trusted Suze in a way they wouldn't trust a male photographer. They shot for her on spec, meaning they only got paid when she did.
Suze shot her first spread for a top Italian fashion magazine by sleeping with its old lecherous art director Sergio.
About a bisexual model, Suze says: "Alan's got a big cock and I'm a sucker for that."
"Has Humphry got a big one?"
"Yes, as long as your arm. You'll have to check it out when he gets back."
The book transitions into a Penthouse magazine-style sex scene between Suze and her model Soapy.
"You weren't lying. You do love it up the ass," Suze murmured.
After two years of photography, she sold a centerfold e and began to make good money.
Suze met Alexander Wallace III, the head of Playboy's British operation. They became friendly. Suze secured a job shooting for American Playboy. She flew to Chicago with model Inga Andersson to stay with Hef.
John writes: "I'd like to know how Suze was involved with David Hurn? Did he do pin up stuff? he has a reputation as a serious docu photographer. Also like to know if she knew Colin Osman he was a pin up photographer, publisher and co-editor of Creative Camera, the only really serious photographic magazine in the UK at that time."
Suze was a fashion model as well as a nude model. She did fashion photography for David Hurn.
I interview Humphry Knipe by email:
I don't like to ask people for things aside from interviews, but my new friend Cam pushed me to put together my best work for a book. There are chapters on Jenna and Holly.
I got Holly to give me some pictures which she emailed me in .tif format.
Once I'd gotten my photos, I risked overstepping my boundaries.
To give the following context, remember that Jenna said in her autobiography that Suze exploited her.
Holly, the eldest child, is hyper-protective of her family. I remember five months ago, after she read my memoir, she was convinced that I was out to destroy the industry (that she dare not show it to her parents) and that she couldn't have any part of that and she was exhausted from all the flak she took from being associated with me...
HollyRandall: did you get all the files you needed?
I reply to Jenna:
Jenna responds: "OY VEY.
"In response to Holly’s barb -- I understand being protective of your mom. But I spoke the truth. Period. I was 18 and knew NOTHING about the industry. I would expect someone with your mother experience and the fact that she is a woman, to be less of a shark. Sorry, I tend to speak my mind."
Holly is like a mother bear looking after her cubs, only her cubs are her parents (in addition to her siblings and her friends).
Former Hustler magazine Editor Allan MacDonell painted the same view of Suze as Jenna and Tera Patrick.
Let's be real folks. Porn is all about pimps and hos (I don't exempt myself from this critique). If you're in the biz, you're either a pimp or a ho. If you're a pimp (photographer), you try to squeeze as much as possible from the talent and pay them as little as possible. If you're a ho, you try to get as much money as possible for as little effort as possible.
Any other approach to porn doesn't last, so it doesn't matter. The only reason to be in this business is money (and attention and immortality). There's no nobility in producing porn. All you do is exploit the basest human emotions by preying on the weak and getting them to do things that will forever hurt them and those who care about them. To make or do porn is to wreak havoc on the vulnerable (I've wreaked plenty of havoc on the vulnerable through my gossipmongering so I am not saying I am better than the people I write about). See what happened to that teacher Tericka Dye (ex-porn star Rikki Andersin) who can never hold her head up in polite society again (without an extraordinary amount of fortitude and accomplishment on her part and unusual forgiveness by those around her).
A friend of mine who is a pornographer responded to Rikki's plight thus: "I've sold a lot of copies of Wet Cum Shots 6 that she stars in. I doubt she'll be able to get a job anywhere. She may as well just set up a webcam and just masturbate online for Steamray."
Yay for porn and for the way it empowers women!
See what happened to Brandy Alexandre and her job at Forest Lawn.
Jenna's book was gentle on the industry. She was far tougher on herself than on porn. That girl went through hell (much of it, after she was 18, of her own creation).
I haven't read Suze's book Suze (written by her husband Humphry and published in 1977) but from all indications (Suze and Humph were kicked out of the Playboy circle because of it and suffered other indignities) Jenna was no more harsh towards her early employer and friend Suze than Suze was to her early employer and friend Hugh Hefner.
The big difference is that Jenna's book was a bestseller and Suze's wasn't. Jenna became a mainstream celebrity. Suze didn't.
On page 180, Allan MacDonell writes about Suze Randall:
On page 239, Allan writes:
Kami Andrews writes me: "I've felt that so many times and not had the words for it. I wish I could express myself like that."
On page 101 of her book, How to Make Love Like a Porn Star: A Cautionary Tale, Jenna Jameson begins:
Last October, Holly called me spewing with rage over this passage by Tera Patrick in the book Naked Ambition: Women Who Are Changing Pornography:
Holly gave me my copy of the book Naked Ambition. She inscribed it: "To Luke - For your reading pleasure and assured scathing criticism. Love [I can't read the name but I assume it is Holly]."
Holly noted her mom was in her fifties when she met Tera and unlikely to hit on her. And that Tera's pictures would pay for no more than a few square feet of her parents Malibu ranch.
HollyRandall: I just can't believe she blamed my mom for not getting
into Penthouse-- that's what made me mad
Jenna didn't blame Suze for not getting into Penthouse. She blamed Suze for leading her along, telling her that this next shoot just might get her into Penthouse. Jenna blamed Suze for taking advantage of her naivety. Jenna blamed Suze for leading her on.
Holly takes after her mother. She's generous and charming but makes a lot of promises that she not only does not keep, but claims to have no memory of ever making. Some of this trait is probably endemic to photographers who prey on the dreams of models.
As Holly told me after one of my protestations of love, "I need someone more stable than you and you need someone more stable than me."
Suze And Jealousy
Humphry replies: "She was jealous all right - poured a bucket of cold over me one time when I was doing it with one of her girlfriends. Quite a shock. I encouraged her in her philanderings - believed it would build character, which it did."
Luke: "That is hilarious. But seriously, how does philandering build character?"
Humphry replies: "Got her to meet a better class of person, of course."
Interview With Nero