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Hans Burger (Cybermedia.nl) calls me Tuesday morning, July 26, 2005. Hans: "I was reading your article. I don't know where all this garbage comes from. I'm just a decent guy. I wonder who all these people are who are telling these stories in your article. I went to court with all of them. If I had an army, I'd send the army after them. I wouldn't bring them to court. "This Aussie Scott Phillips. He's a bloody liar. I've never met the guy. I only know that he had WTFRC [Who The F--- Really Cares, an operation that stole content and hijacked websites to send the traffic to WTFRC's owners' porn sites]. This guy was so brutal he even hijacked my sites." Scott Phillips says he had nothing to do with WTFRC. I believe it was Greg Lasrado who made millions from the WTFRC. Hans: "Then I went after everybody [who was stealing Burger's content]. I went after iBill and CCBill [who were profiting from sites using stolent content]. I spent $1.5 million with an attorney (Clay Chavers law firm in Washington D.C.) in the U.S. to do my copyrights. People thought that nobody would do a court case with animal stuff. Well, my copyrights belong to me. "If you make child pornography, that is forbidden by the law. But the copyright is your's. "I took everybody to court. There were kids 20-years old who were making millions of dollars from my stuff. I'm in the business for 30-years. Why should I split my money with a 20-year old who's never worked? When I catch them, I give them the choice between closing their website or taking 50% of the revenue from their website (and the rest goes to the credit card processing fee and to Burger). I will do the hosting. I will take care of the money. Because it's my stuff. I shot the stuff. [Hans may not have taken everybody to court. He just gave them an offer they could not refuse. I've been told he didn't ask for 50%, but 60%. In addition, the sites had to pay him 60% of what they ever made in the past with Ibill/Ccbill.] "This is why everybody is pissed off at me. Because I stand behind my stuff." How many people did you have to sue? "In Europe, about 25 cases. I won almost all of them. I sued about five people in the United States. When iBill and CCBill didn't want to [stop processing for sites stealing Burger's content], I sued iBill and CCBill. [These suits were settled.] Then they began to be afraid. "What would you do if I stole your car and drove in front of your house and said, 'Bye, bye, Luke. This is your car but you can't touch it.'" I'd call the police or I'd sue you. "I couldn't call the police. I had to sue them." Did you have to sue Scott Phillips? "No. I closed him down [a site of Scott's that was using stolen content] right away using iBill. That's why the guy is so angry. "He has an army of karate kids. Why is he so afraid of me? Why doesn't he come over to Holland you can be the witness? "I warned them all. I said, please shut down or remove the [stolen] pictures. Everybody was s------ on me. Then I went behind them [to their credit card processor]. Even if I had to go to VISA and MC. "I teach my [four] children not to steal from anybody. My children never touch somebody else's stuff. I was brought up like this. "I don't like the false information that you put out. That I own savagerape.com. That is a guy that I've sued. I'm not the owner of Webcom Billing. That is also a guy I've sued. I'm not the owner of VSX Billing [which processes credit cards for such sites as savagerape.com]. I don't own Zoodollars.com. That is also a guy I've sued. [I can't find any record of Hans Burger suing the above companies. Perhaps he meant that he sent them threats of filing suit.] "These people who don't like me say lies and they've found an outlet in you and GFY. "I was in Brazil. I had a big house there. But I was never arrested for child pornography. "Thirty years ago, I shot my first animal films. Why don't these guys [who steal Burger's content] put their own wife on the dog or the horse and make films? These people are so stupid they can't even make a film." So you don't own any rape sites? "The only one I have is Facesofsex.com. And of course sickrape.com. I've made a lot of rape films [this is simulated, all the actors sign their consent and are paid to perform]. I have a big distribution network all over the world. I'm a wholesaler. I sell millions of DVDs a year. "Of course this is not really rape. That is so stupid. Where are all the complaints by police stations in Holland that the girls are being raped? Luke, let your brain work. It's all fake. Have you ever heard of putting on red lipstick and beating the girl on the ass? I know all the tricks. You know how we make a piss film? Water and yellow lemonade." How did the rumor get started that you have your own [Serbian] army? "I don't know. I was one time in Romania with my wife and some friends. I have a staff of 35 people working here who do only websites. You could call it an army. "I don't have my own bank. My bank is the Dutch National Bank. You can't open a bank just like that. You need a license to become a bank. "All my partners are happy with me. I'm the only one processings these things [extreme niches such as bestiality] for them. They've been thrown out by everybody everywhere. "We have different merchant accounts [to process credit cards]. I'm a little bit more expensive than other [credit card processors] but I take the risk. "Celebrity sites are getting closed down [if they aren't done legally, MrSkin.com is a legal celebrity site]. This whole industry is going down because they are only giving 25 pictures and five MPEGs and they make you pay $29 [a month]. They're destroying the industry. "In the past, I was selling a book with 46 pages for $29. Now I have to give more 100,000 pictures and 100,000 films for $29 [for a month's membership to the website]. When we had books and films and videos only, and not the internet, then we were making good money. "Thirty years ago, people thought you would go to prison if you made [bestiality] films. But I found something in the law [to permit it]." Do you have the only company that processes credit cards for bestiality sites? "No. There are about 20." Hans says he owns about 90% of the bestiality industry. A source writes: "He used to own about 90% of the bestiality industry, but times have changed. Online it's now only like 15% - 20% that he owns, probably not even. With DVD/Video distribution he probably is still very big (maybe 70% - 80%)." Hans says: "I know all my competitors. They're all delivering s--- sites. They're destroying this market. "I do all kinds of niches. S------, pissing, rape, teeny stuff, hard S-M, spanking. Every niche you want, I've had it for many years. I've produced 15,000 films in my life. I produce 100 films every month. "There is nothing wrong with what I do. People say, 'I was watching a film where they were using a girl of 12 years.' I was laughing. Maybe I know the girl. Maybe she's 24 but she looks like 16. Sometimes you pick out these girls. Every producers would love to see a girl who looks like she's 12 years getting f---ed by five negroes as long as she's 18 years old or older. "I can show you girls in pictures who look like they're 15 years old who are more than 24. "They say I do rape films. It's not real rape. I have three daughters, 18, 17, and 5. I have a son of 24 years. What do you think my girls would think about this? "Fat Charles [Charles Geerts] is one of my best friends. Because Charles was doing the Mafia stuff, they're always thinking I'm the same guy. Of course we back up each other. It has nothing to do with Mafia. It's only protecting your merchandise. "I have all the stuff from Fat Charlie on the internet. I own the rights because all the films Charlie had coming from Europe were mine. "I am the only guy in the world who's going after Mastercard and VISA. I've been to court with them twice and I won. The industry should be happy with me. Without me, there would be more niches closed down already. "I went to the Dutch National Bank and asked, is Mastercard like a payment system or is it just like money?" In the US, the online industry fears that Mastercard and VISA will cut them off. "They can't do that. It would be an anti-trust violation. That's the reason that VISA is still accepting animals. We went to court with other companies. VISA had to admit that it will stay [processing bestiality]. MasterCard had to go because it has a lot of Catholics behind them. "I'm the only guy who's fighting for everybody about this thing. Everybody's talking about it but nobody does anything." I know at least three other companies that also have taken legal action or that are currently in lawsuits because Interpay (Paysquare) stopped (under pressure from Mastercard) processing Mastercard transactions for bestiality websites and products. Hans: "Because I was the guy who closed down iBill and CCBill [from processing for bestiality], I know exactly how to do this. "IBill still wants to go to Europe. I ordered them not to go to Europe [to process for bestiality]. I ordered them not to. They were making a lot of money from my stuff [websites that stole Burger's content and then charged people to view it]. I will put a ban on them. Later on, we came to angreement. They know that I know the processors in Holland, the freeest country in the world. "There were people in the US who owed me $17 million when they went bankrupt. "If they say that VISA and Mastercard is the same as money, then they have a big problem. They can't say that they won't process for animals. Everywhere in the world you can buy my films. You can pay with credit cards. But you can't pay with a credit card to come into my site because it's animals? We call that discrimination in Holland. "If VISA/MC are the same as money, then it is not written on your dollars or on my Euros that you are not allowed to use this currency to buy porn. Everywhere VISA/MC make these commercials saying you can buy with these credit cards what you want. So this is false information that they're giving. "The only reason that Mastercard doesn't have to process for bestiality sites is that they have a contract where they can say, we don't want to work with you anymore." Content Hire writes 1/20/05 on GFY:
Hans Burger's website Cybermedia.nl replies: "The truth about what happened with Livefrombrasil.com The first part of the letter in Portuguese (down this page) declares that the police had a suspicion about the company in Brazil where the studios resided. They tapped the phone lines and made a bust into the house where the studios are. They thought they would find drugs and under aged girls. But as you can read at the last (red) part; they didn't find anything illegal until now. Everybody was released and the accusations were dropped (nobody is held in custody anymore)." Jer writes on GFY: "I know that Brazil and The Netherlands are the two countries where most of the bestiality content is shot." On September 11, 2002, I spoke to Scott Phillips (SexTraffic.com) by phone:
Hans Burger says Scott Phillips is a liar. Hans emailed me 7/25/05 that he caught Scott stealing his content. A lot of people say they've met Hans Burger but I suspect many of these claims are bogus. I know one guy who's met Hans Burger -- Frank Thring (LFP director Bill Wright). A Dutch citizen, Burger owns Cybermedia.nl. CCBill made millions of dollars from processing credit cards for bestiality sites. Then, in March 2002, CCBill was forced to get out of beasty processing. Burger now corners that market. Burger is reputed to be richer than Larry Flynt.
Hans Berger writes me 7/25/05:
On March 25, 2002, Ron Cadwell, owner of CCBill, emailed his clients:
12/19/05 For years, bigfunhouse - which portrayed itself as the most popular site of its kind in America and Europe - offered to members a free link to a second site featuring Webcam videos of boys who were lured into one or two online sexual performances, according to Internet records and customers interviewed by The Times.
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