Sunday, November 7th, 1999
Paul Wisner's funeral is Tuesday at Mount Sinai Memorial Park. I hear that his kids, who'll probably inherit his porn empire, are "lazy screw-ups."
Sin City contract girl and Swedish blonde bomb Linda Thoren has broken up with her journalist boyfriend Tomas and feels sad.
David Aaron Clark writes on RAME: AH yes, I always look to the Supreme Court for definitions of one's socio-economic and spiritual roles in life. Why, if the learned judges were to tell me that Clinton is a responsible statesman, Guiliani is a devoted public servant to all the people of New York, and the Teletubbies are not a pernicious mind control device slowly indoctrinating our children into ingrained acceptance of the next millennium's coming New Order, why, I suppose I'd believe those things, too.
Where does all the money go? Well, half of it goes into Steve Hirsch and Russ Hampshire's silk-lined pockets. Another quarter goes to production companies like Zane and distribution outfits that regularly go out of business and declare bankruptcy only to "reorganize" a month later. Then a s---load goes to box printers and duplicators. The $5 left over gets divided up between directors and talent .....
XXX writes: Porn's dilemma: Is it morally OK to participate in another's self-destruction? Luke's dilemma: Is is OK to spend your life rubbing shoulders with people who do?
Try out the following word game: How would you articulate the following Holocaust/Nazi analogy for yourself using the words Holocaust, Nazis, SS, and concentration camps? You Luke are fascinated by the Holocaust (pornography's victimization of the young) so you spend your career associating with the Nazis and the SS (pornographers) to gain insights into life in the concentration camps (self-destructive lifestyles of porn actors)?
Hero-buster: We regret to inform you that Luke lacks the resources to followup on leads, however, he will be making an all-expenses paid trip to Canada in the near future to take some more girlie pics for his website....
Idea for a future column: WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN? (It would undoubtably be the most daring courageous thing you ever did!)
Reality check: Are you an ADDICT? How you can tell if you are addicted: At first it was perceived as totally fun and gratifying as hell, then it is no longer fun, it's now just an addictive cycle of brief manic highs that you find yourself living for 24-7, followed by constant lows and depression the rest of the time. If this is true for you, then you are one.
Soul-search: Why can't you just pick yourself up, Luke, and walk right out of the pigsty? Or stay, Luke, but concede that it is entirely your own free choice to stay, it is what you have willfully chosen for yourself and for your destiny, and STOP PRETENDING AND MAKING EXCUSES FOR IT!
Transparent to the rest of us: What will happen to you, your identity in the porn world, and your website if nobody else gets AIDS?
Jack Evil writes: Is it morally OK to sell cigarette and/or alcohol? Is it OK for a grocery store or McDonalds to sell ice cream or Big Macs to an overweight person? Is it OK to produce or watch violence on TV or the movies? XXX's dilemma: Too many dumb dilemmas.
Barbara Doll
Ed writes: You have some pretty weird chats with the industry insiders that I find quite amusing, some quite sad. From what I can tell most of the newer stars are spoiled and insecure despite being so beautiful and alluring. Anyway my question to you is this. I had read quite some time ago on your site that the very beautiful French actress Barbara Doll had tested HIV+ and then developed full blown AIDS. What is her status? Is she still living? I first saw her in a movie called French Doll where she talked of her sexual experiences and did a threesome with Marc Wallice and Tom Byron...
Luke: She's living in France.
Kendra Jade spent Friday night partying in Tijuana.
Carl Ruderman
Luke seeks information on Carl Ruderman, who owns a huge porn empire that stretches from the internet, to magazines like High Society to phone sex. At one time he dated actress Victoria Principle.
Sue Richardson, a 1970s porn star, was the first female figurehead publisher of High Society magazine.
In 1976, the secretive publisher of High Society and other sex magazines, New Yorker Carl Ruderman wanted "a twist on an old theme," says Gloria Leonard. "He wanted a female publisher of a mens magazine. I was chosen because I had a strong background in PR and journalism. We [porn folks] also have other lives besides porn. I worked on Wall Street for many years. No one ever asks me my advice on the market. When the word 'porn' comes up, it's as though that's all you have ever done or will do…and I resent that. One of the reasons that I can successfully call myself a survivor is that I did not let the adult business be the be-all and end-all of my life. I still go to the theater, I still listen to jazz… I have friends who work outside the industry. It is part of my life, it is not all of my life. I'm sure that you [Luke F-rd] and others would like to think that… We are compelled to live a certain lifestyle 24 hours a day to fulfill a certain fantasy."
Phone sex took off in 1983, with Gloria Leonard and High Society magazine leading the way. "We owned these 976 phone lines…that were used until then for weather, sports….Dial a prayer. Dial a joke…. We tried to figure out how to make some money off the lines. At first we simply used them to announce the contents of our coming issue. Then we wrote sexy scenarios [jerk-off routines] which the centerfolds recorded." On special days, like Christmas or Valentine's Day, Gloria recorded her own masturbatory fantasies.
Ruderman was the November 1983 Hustler magazine "Asshole of the Month."
XXX writes: "Although Carl Ruderman is widely known in smut circles as 'The Father of Phone Sex', in point of fact he pilfered the idea from the true originator of dial-a-porn, editor Jeff Goodman, whom Ruderman fired when the idea took off."
06/27/1989 The Wall Street Journal
NEW YORK -- Few champions of free speech are as tight-lipped as Sable Communications, the plaintiff in last week's landmark Supreme Court ruling that eased a congressional ban on dial-a-porn.
Operators at Sable's Manhattan office answer the phones with a cryptic "Good morning, 5100" (the phone number's last four digits). Asked to give his name, the company's publicist replies, "We don't have one," adding that he prefers to be identified as "public information." Asked a question about Carl Ruderman , the man who runs Sable, the publicist says, "I don't know the name."
Even Laurence Tribe, the Harvard Law School constitutional scholar who argued Sable's case, says he knows virtually nothing about the company and only dealt with it through another law firm.
Within the porn industry, however, Sable is known as part of a secretive and prosperous empire, Drake Publishers Inc. Drake publishes Playgirl, Cheri and High Society, a magazine known for unearthing nude photos of Hollywood movie stars.
Drake also made news last fall when it unveiled "SzexPress," a Hungarian publication that it billed as the Eastern bloc's first sex magazine. Just this month, it made a bid for mainstream readers, agreeing to buy Venture, a troubled monthly about entrepreneurs.
More quietly, Drake has also spent the past six years building one of the largest U.S. dial-a-porn empires, with a wide variety of numbers around the nation. It operates them under many corporate names, including Carlin, Sapphire, Calaber and Sable.
It was Sable that brought the Supreme Court case, resulting in last week's ruling that Congress could ban "obscene" phone messages but not "indecent" ones. The distinction between the two categories is often debated, and it remains to be seen how much the ruling will help the industry.
The publicist for Sable and closely held Drake won't say who owns the company or divulge financial details. Industry insiders say the man who runs Drake, Mr. Ruderman, is a sober-sided businessman more interested in balance sheets than in bawdry.
"He's one of the most boring men I know," says Al Goldstein, the publisher of Screw magazine and producer of the Midnight Blue cable show. Mr. Goldstein situates Mr. Ruderman in the pantheon of big-money pornographers in this way: "You have Larry Flynt, who's off the wall; Guccione, who's a workaholic; Hef, who's a socialaholic; I'm the vulgarian of the group; and then Carl, who's the invisible man."
Mr. Ruderman has a more visible figurehead, in the person of Gloria Leonard, a former X-rated movie star who has been High Society's publisher for 13 years. Ms. Leonard's credits include some titles that are well known to porn fans, including "Misty Beethoven," "Maraschino Cherry" and "All About Gloria Leonard."
Today, she describes herself as a "stand-up constitutionalist," lecturing and testifying in High Society's behalf that the First Amendment should protect all pornography. People who know her say it was her idea to get Drake into the phone business, with a High Society line here six years ago. Ms. Leonard and Mr. Ruderman didn't return calls seeking comment yesterday.
People who know the shadowy phone-porn industry call Drake one of its two biggest players, along with Megaquest Group of Seattle.
XXX writes: Been reading Luke's daily writings. It's clear that this guy is an ambitious young journo who thought his life's value pursuit would be to get deep into the personal interactions between people in the offline porn biz. What he doesnt understand is that online porn is highly impersonal - its mostly a collection of computer techies pushing digital content on websites. Personalities, who so-and-so is screwing and what X said to Y between the sheets just isn't that meaningful to our lives. To most of us, porn actors are just pieces of 1s and 0s with no meaning other than how many credit cards we can attract to those 1s and 0s.
Word of advice to Luke - don't get bogged down by your quest to understand all the personality dirt - you're not going to hold the attention of your traffic for too long. If you want the personal angle, talk to all the successful online adult webmasters with the view of chronicling "what's in their personality/history made them do this and what about them made them successful." I'm about as interested in the daily lives of porn actors as the grocer is about the daily lives of the brother of the farmer who grows the beans he sells.
Director James DiGiorgio writes: The (i'm guessing) computer geek, "XXX," who wrote to you regarding the differences between the inhabitants of "online" and "offline" porn (I guess "offline" porn is the porn that "online" porners recycle into "online" porn) misses the whole point of your site. As is customary within the computer geek community, the writer not only "pushes" 1's and 0's about, but in fact, see's most of life within the constraints of 1's or 0's, black or white, yes or no, open or closed....how limiting. But I'd like to address a few of thi writer statements because...well, because at this very moment I have nothing better to do..
"What he (Luke) doesnt understand is that online porn is highly impersonal - its mostly a collection of computer techies pushing digital content on websites."
To some extent true, but if this geek truly knew who all the major players in the 'online' biz are, he or she would realize that many of the most successful are as involved in 'offline' porn, as they are 'online' porn.
"Personalities..... just isn't meaningful to our lives."
This assumes that Luke's site targets the geeks who push the 1's and 0's while hiding in the annonymous shadows of their CRT's glow.
"To most of us, porn actors are just pieces of 1s and 0s with no meaning other than how many credit cards we can attract to those 1s and 0s."
I believe this is exactly how they see the people whom they exploit. It probably has to do with being able to sleep at night, since so many webmasters--mostly those with no vested interests in 'offline' porn-- harvest their content through outright theft, copyright infringement, and/or other dubious means.
"If you want the personal angle, talk to all the successful online adult webmasters with the view of chronicling what's in their personality/history made them do this and what about them made them successful."
I probably don't need to comment much on this statement. If the writer is talking about the computer geeks who push the 1's and 0's, chronicling them would be about as interesting as chronicling the process of paint drying on a wall.
"I'm about as interested in the daily lives of porn actors as the grocer is about the daily lives of the brother of the farmer who grows the beans he sells."
If this is true...you do well....probably better...to become more interested. Although I find it interesting that this individual relates himself with a 'grocer' rather than a CEO of a chain of supermarkets. This statement shows an abysmal understanding of "why" the 1's and 0's he or she digitally pushes, actually makes some money. Since Hollywood invented "stars," it is the 'star' that attracts the interests of others, not those who make them or exploit them. Same holds true in porn.
Rob Cartee of Knob/Ryder Entertainment writes: Dear Luke, I was dumbfounded by your article, Porn Publisher Repents. How could a former supporter of our rights to Free Speech, filp flop like this with out the aid of a 50 foot spatula? This born again BOZO wants to eliminate pornography because Christians have too easy access to it. Hell, the more money they have to spend on gas to drive to another town to get it, the less they have to give to the Free (DUMB) Ministries. In my opinion, if his concern over pastors sitting in their offices viewing porn with just a click is correct, the church needs to work on their morality before they try to shove it down our throats. A final thought on the matter, Larry Flint a current "hero" of mine is wrong. Mr. Lane has not been brainwashed at all. He walked away from a multimillion- dollar business and into a multibillion-dollar one. If you speak to Mr. Lane let him know if he is really into the lamb blood bath thing, I know of a couple of producers who would love to shoot the scene.
Talent agent Charley Frey writes: HOUSTON appeared three nights in a row on the Howard Stern E channel show. (looking great)
Jasmin was repeated again (what does that make - over 50 Echannel appearances...according to the folks at the E channel network, they repeat the shows that get the highest ratings...Jasmin, Houston, Nico Treasures are at the top)
Annabelle Chong's mainstream documetary movie "SEX, the Annabel Chong story" was featured on DECO DRIVE last night, plus three major south Florida radio morning shows had her on...the world is again taking notice of the original gang bang queen. Annabel looks great. She's down promoting her movie in Ft.Lauderdale and lends an image of class, and intelligence to the porno world. The mainstream press have been going wild over her.
It's official! CLEOPATRA (now on tour all over the US, Canada and Europe), is shooting in St.Maarten. Men from every country in the world are being invited. So far, committments from England, Tailand, Germany, France, Spain, Argentina, Canada, Japan, and Brazil have come in....this will be the biggest event of the new millenium. Not just another fake gang bang attempt. Actors from the industry interested in taking part in this epic should go to www.AmericanAdultStars.com and click on the Cleo1000 banner. There is a sign-up section. Be sure to indicate that you are a professional.
Layla Jade Corporate Punishment Video
Bufford Strictly writes from England: I have a new video series about Corporal Punishment. The first video features Layla Jade the British super slut of Ben Dover fame. She is as you know a total hottie. Enclosed in this E-mail I am sending you a couple of digital jpgs and a press release. Could you help me get this line launched? If I can ever be of service in some way to you please let me know. Thanks for taking a look. Let me know your thoughts. This product is only going to be sold over the Internet. It will not be in general distribution.
C.P. Chronicles Presents: Naughty Girls Get Punished #1
This is what you have been waiting for, real Corporal Punishment staring Layla Jade of Ben Dover fame. She is the naughtiest 19-year-old slut on the planet. Layla goes to America to stay with her dad's friend Mr. Strictly. The very first day she gets into his private photographs of spanking and Enemas. He walks in and catches her playing with herself. She of course must be punished. Mr. Strictly spanks her with his hand, paddle and whip and then discovers she smells bad from both of her holes. She Douches herself and he administers a large punishing Enema with an old fashioned Douche bulb. She holds it and gets spanked some more and then has an extra nasty surprise in store for her in her end……. This is a collector's dream come true. E-Mail strato1@aol.com for ordering information.
Chaim writes: One of the benefits of living in New York is getting to pick the brains of a whole lot of very bright people, some of whom publish their work so that others who do not live here can see it. If and when I move away from here, it is the one thing I will miss the most (even more than the pastrami). Phillip Weiss of the New York Observer has a very interesting, and lengthy, analysis of New York Jews that rings very true. He begins by noting that Jews in this country are NOT like the goyim, in major part because they are much less religious and much better schooled than the goyim. Consequently, there is an emphasis on material success that many find odious. As a Manhattanite, I can vouch for the veracity of much of the essay, which you can read at www.observer.com (click on the article by Phillip Weiss about Seinfeld and bagels). Is Los Angeles Jewry substantially different (I would guess not)?
Luke: No.
Chaim: PS I do not mean to dis your life's work, but the more I read the pissy stuff on your web site that various porners hurl each other's way, the more convinced I become that the only valid reason for having anything to do with the world of porn, even as a journalist, is to get laid. Otherwise, what is the point?
Luke: The point is to make money (should gross about $50k this year). I have more freedom and more income than at alternative occupations.
Chaim "Money Bags" Amalek responds: Ok, I can see that (you doing this for money). Especially if in addition to getting $$$$$ you get to meet women like that Swedish chick (Linda Thoren?) in the deal.
Luke: True, she's a sweetie. And smart.
Chaim: Yeah, I can see that. Sure, this arrangement hurts your prospects with Jewish women in LA, but how much of a loss is that? Do you really expect to marry a jewish woman out there?
Luke: Yes I do. I've met about 40 Jewish women out here in the last five years that I'd marry, but none of them will marry me. But they are getting older and more desperate. And with that biological clock ticking, perhaps one will take a chance on me.
I was in shul Saturday morning. And as they were bringing out the Torah and passing it around the congregation, I told a female acquaintance of mine that I wanted to get married (not necessarily to her). She replied, 'you'll have to lose that website.' Gotta love it when the truth hits you like a revelation from Mt. Sinai.
Chaim the Jew: Meanwhile, please keep up the good work of pissing off the LA jewish establishment.
PS I understand that you are the unofficial biographer of Dennis Prager. He is going to give a talk at the famed 92nd Street Y in Manhattan sometime soon. Do you want me to ask him a question on your behalf, perhaps prefacing it with the full identification of its source?
Luke: Ask him what he's done with the tens of thousands of dollars (including my $500) donated to the Micah Center For Ethical Monotheism (aside from making that 20-minute video on goodness which sells for $800). But don't mention my name.
Chaim: PPS In addition to the money and the social prospects, do you find that hanging out with or writing about porn people is, on average, an ego boost? It must be hard to feel small around many of the people you encounter on a daily basis as you do your work. How often do you find yourself with feelings of superiority as a result of dealing with porners? Is your job, on average, an ego boost?
Luke: Yes definitely. I generally feel morally superior to most (but not all, Russ Hampshire, Paul Fishbein, David Sturman leave me in the dust) porners. I have an extremely fragile sense of self, combined with a huge need for grandiosity, or at least to believe that I am the greatest at what I do, and there's no other profession I know of yet, aside from porn journalism, where I could make that claim to myself and believe it.
Chaim, do you think that l-keford.com is immoral and destructive or am I shining a light on immorality? A light unto the nations, as it were?
Chaim writes: Well, yes, in a way you are shining light on immorality, at least some of the time. The flesh trade inevitably entails that some rather nasty acts done be done by some very nasty people that are not often remarked upon by the straight press, and but for your work, would never come to light. On the other hand, some of the stuff you publish clearly is there just to attract the hits and generate income for you. (And what would that 900 number cost?)
And you pay taxes on all of this? (DO NOT ANSWER THAT ONE!)
Luke: I do pay taxes on it all. And I pay $1200 yearly dues to my shul.
Chaim: OK - here is a test question. Suppose you meet a knock-out healthy all-natural babe, either never in porn or not so far in that she cannot be pulled out by Rabbi Luke (indulge this common fantasy as it unwinds for the moment). Let's pretent that she is that young, fertile, blonde, smart Swedish woman. You save her. She ADORES you, and wants to have your babies and be your loyal obediant wife for all time. No more porn for her. The problem is, she feels that JESUS has blessed her by sending you to her for her temporal salvation, and you are a Jew - so Jewish, in fact, that you would prefer to do what most western jews do not - marry a jew. What do you do?
1. Steadfastly reject her love, and continue to hope that someday you attract the approval of a racial jew who maybe does not even believe in god, even if she must first age and lose both her looks and much of her fertility before she gives you a second glance?
2. Follow the example set by Abraham and Moses and Spielberg, and take this shiksa as your beloved wife?
3. Pray that the God that failed to answer the prayers of 6,000,000 of your chosen coreligionists when they were offered up with much greater urgency will answer YOUR prayers, and soften the hearts of one of the Jews of LA?
4. ?
Luke: Numbers three and four. I would not marry a secular Jewess and I would not marry anyone who believed in Jesus as anything more than a carpenter.
Ian Gittler's Pornstar Book
Reviews from amazon.com:
Steve Beeler writes: Gittler is a better writer than he is a photographer! If you're expecting a coffee table book filled with pretty pictures of porn stars, DO NOT buy this book. If you want a well written, engaging, painfully honest account of the porn industry, this is a must read. I really enjoyed this book greatly. I wished it had a few more pictures to correspond with the story though. Still, one of my favorites.
Raymond McDonald writes: A fragmented portrait of the porn industry. If you're looking for more in this new coffetable size photo-book than gritty, sometimes provocative photos of pornstars, than you're going to be disappointed. Gittler's book appears to be randomly torn pages from his personal diary; sketchy bits and pieces of his encounters with pornstars. His narrative doesn't really profile his subjects. And, it's a shame. Gittler has the "raw material" for a very interesting exploration of the "who, what, and why" of the multi-billion dollar netherworld of American Porn, but let's his personal involvement get in the way. Gittler centers his book around the death of pornstar Savannah; rather than use the opportunity to contrast his first subject, Jamie Summers, who worked the "high end" of porn until her retirement in 1992, with her former roommate, Careena Collins, who has embraced the porn "dark side" and is into bondage. Gittler's premise that the porn industry hurts it's performers could have been made better, using this contrasts of two all-American girls, than the unrelated fragments that he uses. This book could have been an eye-opener. It's not.
Chicago: Humanizing erotic film stars provides memorable images. Ian Gittler delves into the world of XXX like few have before him. He humanizes the pornographic film business while, for the most part, remaining an outsider. The photos add greatly to the drama which unfolds in Gittler's vignettes. The scene in which star Debi Diamond demands to be slammed into a wall is memorable; her revelation that her grandmother's pearls were destroyed in the process is haunting. The book could have used much more written text. For a guy who spent nearly a decade writing and researching this book, it should have been longer. But what is on the pages is unforgettable.
From the September Publisher's Weekly: In 1991, Gittler, a photographer whose work has appeared in such magazines as Vogue and Vanity Fair, set out to produce a cheery coffee-table book chronicling the lives of members of the adult-film business. "Instead of beloved icons, I would glorify reviled (or at least only secretly admired) ones," Gittler writes of his initial intentions. Five years later, however, after meeting many of America's most-prominent Triple-X stars and hearing about their often sordid and depressing personal lives, Gittler changed his tune: his "one-man crusade to vindicate American sexuality" left him brimming with pity and moralizing disdain. Many of the stories Gittler has amassed in this episodic account of the lives, politics and everyday preoccupations of porn professionals are indeed depressing. Savannah, a porn actress, is injured in a car accident and then commits suicide. Director John Stagliano learns that he is HIV-positive. The photographs Gittler takes--in studios, apartments, hotel rooms and on the sets of porn shoots--are often highly sexually explicit, although most depict porn stars merely hamming for the camera. Still, one feels that Gittler is a little quick to infer that all sex workers are tragic, lost souls. Though this book purports to be a journalistic portrait of the porn demimonde, there is little rigor or emotional depth to it. Gittler in the end comes off as being both leering and judgmental, blurring the line he attempts to draw between pornography and journalism about pornography.
From Gittler's book, July, 1994:
Jon Dough is the first porn star Gittler connects with. I had a similar experience. Jon is thoughtful and genuine and intelligent.
"The caterer, Nicole London - a porn star on hiatus from doing scenes since testing positive for HIV - is setting up a Mexican spread for lunch. Even though her test result has since been proven false, Nicole hasn't begun performing sex again."
Lady Berlin tells Bionca that she likes black men, but not suave guys like Sean Michaels. She prefers "rough ones with borad shoulders and fat cocks who've spent time in jail."
Sitting with Rachel, Nick East smokes a bowl of weed in the cab of his Toyota pickup. Rachel is related to Marci Hirsch, and gets to PA on porn sets during her summer vacation.
Debi Diamond drives up. "She looks like a junkie, emaciated, and acts like she's on speed... Debi's not the weird one. It's the ones who walk through their sex scenes like emotional zombies who are whacked out. Deb's trip rings true."
Ian finds out that April Rayne aka Andrea Nashak did not die of a drug overdose. She did shoot up over $50,000 worth of heroin, developing a habit that cost up to $1500 a day. She became a streethooker.
"But I was f---ing shocked to find Jeanna Fine on Sepulveda. We both ended up in the same junkie-hooker hotel."
Galactic Galaxina writes: Dear Sir Luke F-rd I don't know if you remember me nor if you will print this or not,even if you don't print it,thats ok,I wanted to personally update you on something,Gene Ross that site compared to yours well they have proved them self as liers and don't et facts they twist the truths,I coudl not decide at the time who to write between him or you,thats untill I relized that gene ross is in cohoots with a lier,kevin korey,and his site is all messed up,and hey dango man I owe you,when that story kevin korey sent into ross on me,not only was it full of lies he neve even got the facts straight if you notice how hacked up a job he did,as well as kevin new I was alavie in two days and was told not to write nobody nothing theres some things he needs to know regarding me and billy would be incontact with him, he wrote the letter to destory me,cause when Dango found I was alive and the letter of my death sitting there,the whole time I kept mailen kevin why do people think I'm dead?kevin never responeded to me on that,I did not know the letter was on avn,till dago found it,I talked to kevin he siad you may have to change your name when I jokeling said whats wrong I can change my name,he said again you may have to.
Listen another thing,I did a patented copyright story and it's my personal life ways as well,it is going into mainstream hey is not that what the devil is all about why f--- around with people that are already f---ed up I'm not about just masterbating LOl or awards thoses are not the best rewards,I', not about barbie doll sex hair flipers posers of game,I'm the real deal hard core Metal Babe ,don't get me wrong about porno it has it's place with me but my concern is wicked,and kevin korey well he calls me way back it did not dawn on me then,but said hav you heard of Korn? then latter he brought up some Dr. sues looken chick look at her looks and see for your self the stricking resembleance,well she is dating a member of Korn,and kevins girl friend knows them,N hates me she should shes as flat as a wa ll with looks wahed up old hag,at any rate so time gos by,and kevin calls me says we need to get togethere to shoot,I look like Satan and a rock star roxy! ( I'm all don't insult me or Saten )next day I get a pic form a rock band claiming to be so darkkkkkkk
LOL but it was a set up to try to make me look like a fool,through kevin,and this dr.suess chick that is dating from what kevin said a memeber in Korn,then it all came togethere as my own pagens and drews sharks were watchen every more this koo-koo kevin made,kevin and then tryed to steel idears of what I am doing,haven korn also I say this when there all done plaen with Mettel running around in dressess payen with dr.suess all fryed up poses of game and knowing Trick orTreat the cady korn of decite root cancell IT'S ALL TO SWEET! I'm a hard core Metal babe and I do ride the fires of the abyss.Anyways if you print this I'LL give you my Dr.s name and you can persoanlly get all the facts straight form him as well as a manager I have,no my web site is not up yet thats year 2000 I got my aol and a kick ass band listen to the songs it's what I am about but one thing half a brain? or does she is she mocken people? I got no Soul? you bet. I'm soon now time is nearing.GalacticGalaxina for a few facts I'Ll leae my site the things kevin the Koo-Koo over looked kevin stop playen with what you don't know and your Dr. suess Metell chick site you did LOL what a JOKE anyways.I got NO soul? You bet once again
Itam writes: I wanted to find out about Michael J. Cox. Is he gay? He really looks and acts like one. Why don't he just come out of the closet and appear in gay movies?
Elvis writes Luke: Why Brandy Alexandre? why do you give that old washed up prono chick any time of day she has not been in the business for years, she never was very desired back then either, she was always the other girl, and might I add she was the ugly girl, and I have not seen her around for years. so why give her so much attention?
Luke: I like her mind and her sharp comments.
<jimmyD> [Director James DiGiorgio] actually, loud..i rarely have any problems working with any of the girls in this biz...i treat them all like princesses on my set
<jimmyD> wow..it's njg... the girl who gives the scroll-down key real meaning!
<l-keford> :)
<ncdd> l-keford
<Pau|B> njg
<jimmyD> there's a rumor going around that l-keford had someone hack the avn server and shut it down
<jimmyD> hey luke...check out this url.. this guy is the f---ing best!!!
<jimmyD> http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/primall/mahir/index.html
<Pau|B> mahir rules
<jimmyD> i thnk you should publish this guy's URL
<jimmyD> i'm gonna email him and offer him a starring role in a f--- flick...if he can get to LA
<l-keford> why? who cares?
<jimmyD> oh wow! a brainstorm!!! mahir and njg star in the flick!!!
<Pau|B> nobody cares about you, but that hasn't stopped anything
<Pau|B> what's the difference?
<jimmyD> luke...mahir's quickly becoming the most talkd about guy on the net
<l-keford> why?
<BadMotherf---er> hes hilarious
<Pau|B> i can guarantee more people have gone to mahirs site today than to your site ever, luke
<jimmyD> there's talk of him being brought here to do a guest spot on letterman...you've never been asked to do letterman
<l-keford> plaid is the worst movie i've ever seen
<jimmyD> no luke..the worst movie you've ever seen is the one you did for the israelis
<jimmyD> maybe it's next worse after that one
<njg> what movie?
<jimmyD> the one luke directed
<l-keford> that's true, WHAT WOMEN WANT! a gangbang
<jimmyD> for rita and yoseph
<jimmyD> luke never told you that he produced and directed a f--- flick njg?
<l-keford> shhhhhhh!
<jimmyD> that he IS, after all, a pornographer himself
<l-keford> no, that was my sinful past
<jimmyD> did he neglect to mention at at shul????
<Pau|B> now he's a nice jewish boy
<njg> Luke doesn't know what women want
<jimmyD> that's true..cuz he thinks they all want him
<jimmyD> luke..rob an i think we've found *the* house
<l-keford> cool
<jimmyD> hmmm...gotta check and see if my son woke up...brb
* jimmyD needs to play with his son....
<mnc_tech> ADONAI ELOHENU!!
<mnc_tech> is there a fully jewish porno movie?
<l-keford> contradiction in terms
<mnc_tech> with dialog like "well, you know what they say about a man with a big nose..."
<l-keford> lol
<mnc_tech> "what?"
<mnc_tech> "needs lots of kleenex, cause A) it's hard to blow and B) he probably doesn't get any"
<mnc_tech> i want to make a porno based on the degrassi tv series
<mnc_tech> called 'degrassi junior thighs'
<mnc_tech> my porno will be about the life of jesus
<l-keford> lol
<mnc_tech> JESUS CHRIST SUPERFLY
<mnc_tech> it will feature a scene with lepers
<mnc_tech> "jesus, my hand fell off! heal me!"
<mnc_tech> "just suck my dick, bitch"
<mnc_tech> "maybe i'll spray you with some holy water"
<Pau|-B> don't quit your day job
<mnc_tech> jesus will get head on the cross
<MadisonFan> looks like youve given this alot of thought
<mnc_tech> yeah
<mnc_tech> i'm a f---ing genius
<mnc_tech> that's why
<Pau|-B> have you been drinking?
<MadisonFan> ill take your word for it
<mnc_tech> there's plenty of good pornos that have yet to be made
<mnc_tech> ie "the f---s of life"
<Pau|-B> you mean e.g. the f---s of life
<Pau|-B> genius
<mnc_tech> yeah
<mnc_tech> whatever
<mnc_tech> the facts of life
<mnc_tech> also
<mnc_tech> i wonder if the urkle kid would be interested in doing porno
<MadisonFan> get out of the 80s
<mnc_tech> like he'd cum on a girl's face and say "did i do that?!"
<LindaThor> vlad: Have had some problems with people uses my name. The I am finish my talk witl thre dots (...) it's me. Just so you know...
<MadisonFan> porn industry needs idea guys like you
<mnc_tech> i want to direct porno movies
<mnc_tech> even tho i am only 19
<mnc_tech> i could do a great job
<Pau|-B> mnc, are you in college?
<mnc_tech> yeah
<MadisonFan> youre ideas are a bit childish
<mnc_tech> in english literature
<Pau|-B> good
<Pau|-B> stay there
<mnc_tech> my ideas are pure genius
<MadisonFan> hehe
<mnc_tech> also
<MadisonFan> only in your mind
<mnc_tech> i want to make a porno catering to people with a fat woman fetish that revolves around "your momma" jokes
<Pau|-B> i don;t know a genius who runs around saying "i'm a genius" all the time
<MadisonFan> reread my childish comment
<mnc_tech> "your momma's so fat, that if fat were bricks, she'd be the projects" *flash to ghetto f---ing scene*
<mnc_tech> i might make an all jewish porno tho
<mnc_tech> called "suck my matzah balls!"
<MadisonFan> mnc- luke is logging and all your ideas will be on his site tomorrow nad theyll be stolen, just so you know
<Pau|-B> oh boy, you're a barrell of monkeys
<mnc_tech> teeheehee
<mnc_tech> my name's luke too, incidentally
<mnc_tech> a pair of jews named luke
<mnc_tech> PEAS IN A POD
<MadisonFan> luke isnt a jew
<Pau|-B> being a jew is by blood
<Pau|-B> it's not a club you join
<mnc_tech> yeah
<mnc_tech> i'm a jew by blood
<mnc_tech> my name's nahum leib ben david shmuel
<mnc_tech> i'm as jewey jew jew as the come
<LindaThor> #religon..?
<mnc_tech> i f--- lots of jewish women who want to get pregnant cause they know my seed is pure
<mnc_tech> i'm so jewish people confuse me for an arab
<mnc_tech> and i'm barely sephardic
<MadisonFan> ::cough:: lameass
<mnc_tech> yeah sorry man
<mnc_tech> let's have some real convo in here
<l-keford> good Linda, and you?
<mnc_tech> HEY
<l-keford> Linda, have you ever considered converting to Judaism?
<LindaThor> Luke: Not bad...
<MadisonFan> mnc- why were you banned from here before?
<mnc_tech> I WONDER IF THE POPE WOULD MAKE A CAMEO IN MY JESUS PORNO MOVIE
<mnc_tech> being a jew is the best thing ever
<LindaThor> Luke: I'm not even a christan...
<mnc_tech> you get blessed with a big nose and a big dick
<mnc_tech> i could never be a christian
<mnc_tech> muslim maybe...but not christian
<Pau|-B> too bad they didn't give you a big brain too
<mnc_tech> i have a brain of solid gold
<MadisonFan> hehe
<l-keford> lol, this guy is a riot
<MadisonFan> start using it buddy cuz youre losing it
<mnc_tech> luke is one of my heros
<l-keford> Bless you my son
<MadisonFan> you know youre cool when luke likes you
<l-keford> :)(
<mnc_tech> if the holy trinity of jews were not already complete
<mnc_tech> i'd consider putting you in it
<mnc_tech> HOLY TRINITY OF JEWS:
<mnc_tech> DAVID LEE ROTH
<LindaThor> Luke: I've never felt I need a protective net to live....
<mnc_tech> GENE SIMMONS
<mnc_tech> HOWARD STERN
<l-keford> ok, check back with me when you're 35
<l-keford> linda
<MadisonFan> david lee roth, loser
<LindaThor> vlad: Hehe...
<mnc_tech> DAVID LEE ROTH IS A TRUE HERO FOR ALL YOUNG JEWISH BOYS AND GIRLS
<mnc_tech> HE IS LIKE THE JEWISH AXL ROSE
<mnc_tech> EVEN THO HE CAME BEFORE AXL
<MadisonFan> mnc- wake up, this is almost the year 2000
<mnc_tech> hey has anyone here ever f---ed kobe tai?
<mnc_tech> i think i'm gonna call this nice jewish girl up in a bit when she gets off work to see if she'll give me head tonite
<LindaThor> mnc: Not yet...
* BobBlec looks up a bit... "Jewish Axl Rose"... Axl Rosenberg?
<BobBlec> mnc: nice jewish girls don't give head
<l-keford> mnc, where you go to college?
<mnc_tech> axl rosenberg? GUNS 'N NOSES!!!
<mnc_tech> school of hard knockers
<mnc_tech> i am not at liberty to divulge such information
<mnc_tech> but man
<mnc_tech> i am in an arts program
<mnc_tech> and i know girls who have jew fetishes
<mnc_tech> i kid you not
<mnc_tech> they like skinny guys with big noses
<BobBlec> hehehehe
<l-keford> :)
<BobBlec> Linda: Svenska Flicka?
<mnc_tech> so yeah
<mnc_tech> how do i get involved in porno?
<BobBlec> mnc: like Howard Stern?
<mnc_tech> yes
<LindaThor> BB: Did you know what you said right now..?
<BobBlec> mnc: if you're here, you're involved
<mnc_tech> ok i'm gonna go get head from a jewish girl while watching 'fiddler on the roof'
<mnc_tech> and drinking manischewitz wine
<l-keford> lol
<mnc_tech> talk to y'all later...
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<MikeSouth> LOL
<MikeSouth> hey Luke
<l-keford> hey buddy
<Pau|-B> what an idiot
<BobBlec> Linda: ok; I seem to remember that it was in the context of Swedish erotic movies
<MikeSouth> wassup with geneross Luke...didja hack im?
<l-keford> yep, taught him a lesson
<MikeSouth> hell even Luke can cum
<BobBlec> Mike: but not without a lot of Jewish guilt ;)
<`^-_-^`> so he can take s---ty pics of us? no thanks.
<MikeSouth> ya bob...no doubt but jews aint really wracked with guilt
<LindaThor> BB: ...or maybe not. We uses the word "fitta" as you uses "pussy". You know about men who isn't men and so on....
<MikeSouth> I wont let him take pix...he has to use mine :)
<l-keford> is it cause i am jewish, mike?
<BobBlec> Linda: ok
<MikeSouth> no Luke its cuz you take s---ty pics
<`^-_-^`> no Luke, it is because your little snapshot camera sux.
<MikeSouth> I got nuthin against jews
<MikeSouth> you know how to get 40 jews in the new VW Beetle
<LindaThor> Jezzzus....a lot of porners talking religon....
<`^-_-^`> then tell Luke how to take good pics.
<MikeSouth> ya put em in he ash tray....YOW!
<`^-_-^`> LindaThor, if you were near me, I would be praying.
<BobBlec> hehehe
<MikeSouth> Yopu know why Southern Baptists dont make love in a standing position?
<MikeSouth> they dont want people to think they are dancing
<LindaThor> vlad: Pray on...I'm soon back in the US....
<BobBlec> Linda: YAY!!!!
<MikeSouth> Hey Luke...I gotta MAJOR story to break
<MikeSouth> but I cant tell ya yet
<`^-_-^`> he will be content with that Mike.
<l-keford> yes
<LindaThor> Mike: ...a journalist wannabe....
<MikeSouth> I like to dangle carrots now and again
<MikeSouth> no Linda...I write for a magazine
<MikeSouth> I gotta well know individual whom I have found has done quite a bit of hard core
<LindaThor> Kendra: Tomas and me broke up last week...
<KendraJade> WHAT??!!
<KendraJade> WHY LIDA?
<KendraJade> are u ok?
<KaffeineKid> hear the loveline? girl had a tattoo of a coaster on the small of her back
<l-keford> I'm sorry to hear that, Linda... Have you ever thought of experiencing an Aussie Jew?
<LindaThor> Kendra: Yeah, I'm ok. Just one of these things. No drama.
<KendraJade> LUKE!!!DONT OFFER YOURSELF TO LINDA!
<KendraJade> She may vomit
<njg> lol kj!
<njg> I know
<KendraJade> Linda: if u need anything, call
<MikeSouth> hey NJG you ever thought about experiencing a Georgia Redneck ?
<BobBlec> hahahahaha
<Pau|-B> hehe
<Sinatra153> i gotcha
<njg> no
<LindaThor> Kendra: I like Luke...but as a lover...I don't think so....
<l-keford> :)
<Pau|-B> hehe
<MikeSouth> you should try it sometime...you'd throw rocks at those little 25 year old under achievers you been hangin with
<njg> lol
<MikeSouth> or however old Luke is
<KendraJade> Linda: TRUST ME....NOT AS A LOVER OR ANYTHING ELSE
<JT27> lol
<njg> theyr'e my suitcase pimps!
<KendraJade> lukey makes a ok friend sometimes tho
<LindaThor> Kendra: I might take you up on that...
<njg> yeah, friend ONLY
<MikeSouth> Luke is a funny guy
<LindaThor> Kendra: I Have said it before...It's not Luke who is the problem...it is a the people in the biz...
<MikeSouth> NJG what does a pornstar do with her asshole just before she shoots an anal sex scene?
<KendraJade> Linda : i agree
<KendraJade> people just show what they really are
<JimGunn> Hey "Ms. Computer Whiz" Kendra Jade.
<LindaThor> Kendra: Thats summit it all...the biz it's good in that way...you can't pretend for long time...Sooner or later it comes down to who yoy REALLY are....
<MikeSouth> Porn Journalism...people who cant write interviewing people who cant speak for people who cant read...go figure
<njg> well I went to hebrew school
<Sinatra153> that's a mouthfull coming from a nice Jewish girl
<LindaThor> Kendra: Yeah...and (don't tell her) turns me on...
* `^-_-^` struggles to keep his eyes open for a decent period in time.
<njg> and the whole time I kept thinking of an old man with a long beard in the sky
<njg> and I was learning hebrew
<KendraJade> LINDA::: REALLY?!
<Sinatra153> at least he's not a midget with a 10 yrd dick
<njg> I was the most advanced in my class
<JimGunn> Boy Kendra made a 100% turn-around from a fervant anti- g/g chick. Nice to see one of the few holdouts folding, ha ha...
<l-keford> see how porno breaks down sexual boundaries
<KendraJade> i tried it and liked it...
<JimGunn> More power to you Kendra, I like it too. i made a whole career on lesbianism.
<LindaThor> Kendra: I wanted you already in Rob's house...but I didn't get any signals....
<KendraJade> LINDA : Liar!!! :)
<KendraJade> kj is blushing
<njg> Luke, you should know!
<Sinatra153> I think we've got ourselves a love connection...
<JimGunn> Yes Luke! I saw the lesbian kiss on Ally McBeal he other day. I was thinking, "Hmm, this is like job secuity, lotsa high school chiicks must watch Ally and maybe that pushes them one step closer to bisexuality! Soon they'll be working for me!"
<KendraJade> Linda : u should have been in tijuana with me last nite!
<JimGunn> Dream on, uh oh njg. You should've heard the high-schol cheerleader locker room real life lesbian story that some 20 year old girl I met today told me. Man I am gonna get the whole thing on tape on Tuesday when she makes her big porno debut!
<LindaThor> Kendra: Girls talk: You know how it is to loose the man in your life... It is a nightmare...and for me it works like I', f---ing everyone....even if I dont want to....
<njg> because as an anarchist we didn't shave none of us did
<BobBlec> hehehe
* MikeSouth doesnt much care for hairy buzzards
<njg> then as a ballerina I did
<njg> different life
<JimGunn> Well if you know about hs girls njg, al that matters is that 80% of them keep experimenting with other girls so they are ready for me when they graduate
<MikeSouth> njg yer tiuts are too big to be a serious ballerina
<MikeSouth> tits even
<njg> different fashiln
<AtomicBom> not into Rodney's hirsute honey's Mike?
<BobBlec> njg: what if you'd been an anarchist ballerina?
<KendraJade> kj is bored
<KendraJade> no one is home
<njg> but there are some chix that are into it
<JimGunn> I see. More lesbianism then, look at this as an opportunity!
<MikeSouth> and they dont wanna see beautiful guys they wanna see average/non intimidating guys
<njg> and they hate the frogs in porn
<Pau|-B> hehhhehe
<Pau|-B> frgos
<MikeSouth> njg not enough to justify
<Pau|-B> frogs
<Pau|-B> hehe
<BobBlec> Jim: Linda could have any guy she wanted, but I'm sure she wants to wait for a *right* guy
<MikeSouth> njg they shou;ld watch gay porn then
<BobBlec> hahahaha
<LindaThor> Gunn: Stupid and insensitive....
<JT27> Mikes right... We wouldn't all relate to good looking guys in porn
<MikeSouth> most of the frogs are in the Private vids.....
<JimGunn> Sorry Linda, just a little joke.
<njg> and most girlz don't like p to a sex
<MikeSouth> NJG then watch Vivid
<BobBlec> does this explain the Hedgehog?
<njg> those guys are ugly too
<njg> peter north, yuck
<MikeSouth> ronnie aint even average
<JT27> nothing explains the Hedgehog... lol
<njg> ron, vomit
<Pau|-B> njg you crack me up
<MikeSouth> see guys dont wanna see long hair rock star types cuz they figure...yupo typical dancer/porn bimbo only dates musicians
<KendraJade> HEY! WHATS WRONG WITH THAT
<njg> who says long hair
<MikeSouth> oe muscle guys....
<njg> long hair is OVER
<njg> that's another thing
<Pau|-B> well, they do only date good looking guys sooo...
<MikeSouth> all the guys that they figure get all the girls that they want
<XTacyAVS> most porn vids have long haired rocker types banging these chicks
<njg> long hair on all these porn guys is ugly and passe
<MikeSouth> average guys they can identify with
<JT27> Yeah... I can relate to Mike... hehe
<njg> long hair is SO OVER, Paul knows
<njg> right Paul?
<MikeSouth> when the guy is watching porn alone his is transferring himself into the scene
<Pau|-B> right
<BobBlec> <--long-haired rocker guy
<KendraJade> njg: what are u saying???
<KendraJade> axel?
<MikeSouth> njg you want pretty boys go find Candida Royalle's s---
<XTacyAVS> axel?
<LindaThor> Kendra: Don't be upset. For us it's a proffesinon...for them it's just something to wank off to....
<njg> but he has enough money to make up for his long hair
<A_Stupid_Dirty_Girl> see ya'll tomorrow.
<XTacyAVS> axel is a wuss
* MikeSouth wonders why DID she name herself after a yeast infection
<KendraJade> KJ HATES drugs and trongly DISLIKES booze
<JimGunn> I do a lot of "online" work now XTAVS,- there's scumbags that I would not do business with in either realm.
<JimGunn> I got a BS in Biz Admin from a 4 year university in NY state. I learned more in one week in the 'real world" than 4 years at college.
<Meni> dude, right now, so many girls getting in to dancing
<Meni> 18 year olds, lining up
<XTacyAVS> we were printing mone back then
<XTacyAVS> money
<Meni> when I put up pics and no banners, money????
<JimGunn> I bet.
<`^-_-^`> I am dozing in and out.
<Meni> 96 rocked
<Meni> live sex upsell flew
<Meni> my income dropped 25% this year
<Meni> then again I don't do anywork
<JimGunn> You run live feeds Meni?
<XTacyAVS> there was little competition back then
<Meni> sell, director of marketing for videosecrets
<JimGunn> I have several feeds already on my jimgunn.com site; I don't administer it anyway.
<Meni> Videosecrets been around since 95
<JimGunn> But your feeds do look good
<Meni> I was VP of Shaw Internet Consultants and asked brad if he wanted them
<JimGunn> JJ, I'll have the paperwork when the "knock on the door " comes, so it's all good to be legal.
<J0HNG0TTI> cant beleive exxxteme signed that guy mahir
<JimGunn> A drawbridge like most of the others
<Meni> i hit it with JoeE of CEN back in march
<JimGunn> Who's mahir JG?
<J0HNG0TTI> that guy that is getting circulated through the net
<J0HNG0TTI> i guess he has alot of turkish girls
<JimGunn> I have started to do some work with CEN recently
<J0HNG0TTI> i guess he has a possie of yurkish girls that are real hot
<J0HNG0TTI> funny how the porn companies are always on it first
<MadisonFan> id watch him doing some hot babes
<Tenebre> i hadnt heard of it till now
<`^-_-^`> Mahir rulez
<l-keford> why are people tlaking about this f---ing site, it is boring
<Pau|B-workingout> they had to move servers for the site because he was getting too many hits
<J0HNG0TTI> luke it started as a site that went around peoples emails then rob i guess picked him up
<`^-_-^`> careful Luke, you have accused of the same crime of boredom.
<MadisonFan> seeing that guy banging hot girls gives hope to losers everywhere, hes gonna be huge
<JimGunn> It's amazing how one day you are nobody then you are a signed "contract star" in the porn biz the next!
<J0HNG0TTI> i guess he has really hot girls in turkey
<XTacyAVS> he looks like serge's stepson
<J0HNG0TTI> they contacted him and he flew in with some talent
<JimGunn> Yeah, they'll probably do "Extreme Turkey" just like they did "Extreme Brazil"
<XTacyAVS> that guy gets laid?
<Pau|B-workingout> can you imagine how much money mahir could make in advertizing?
<J0HNG0TTI> that guy is the king of turk pussy
<Pau|B-workingout> he is getting nearly a million hits per day
<zoexxx> i have filmed the last two days
<zoexxx> and i fil again tomorrow
<BobBlec> Zoe: ah
<zoexxx> friday i was there from 12:30 in the afternoon til 2:30 in the morning
<XTacyAVS> thats a whole lotta f---in
<JimGunn> But that's what yu gotta do to get the boxcover, right?
<zoexxx> it wasnt all f---ing
<XTacyAVS> but it was f---ing tedious