Tuesday, October 26th, 1999
Top 20 Porn Sites
According to the Neilsens of the internet, www.pcdataonline.com:
For week of 10/23/99
Rank Web Site
1 porncity.net
2 karasxxx.com
3 intergal.com
4 cybererotica.com
5 cotac.com
6 sexshare.com
7 100free.com
8 adultcheck.com
9 cun-tv.com
10 freepictures.com
11 babylon-x.com
12 teensteam.com
13 xxxpassword.com
14 tease.com
15 sexhound.net
16 amateurpages.com
17 clickheretoenter.com
18 highsociety.com
19 privategold.com
20 adultcentral.com
Luke F-rd Apologizes To Mike Albo
Luke: I want to genuinely apologize Hustler Erotic Video Guide editor Mike Albo for calling him a "big fat fairy," and for implying that he is gay.
Mike phoned Luke from Larry Flynt Publications at 10:43 AM.
Mike: "I want you to meet me down here right now."
Luke: "Right now?"
Mike: "Right now."
Luke: "How about tomorrow?"
Mike: "No, right now. You are going to get your ass beat right on the street. Show up."
Luke: "No, not today. I'll do it tomorrow."
Mike: "Luke, don't f--- with me. Either show up or don't show up. And stop these f---ing little games punk."
Luke: "I don't want to get my ass beat."
Mike: "You don't have a choice in the matter because I told you that the next time I see you, I'm going to kick your ass."
Luke: "Then I don't want to see you. I don't want to get beat up."
Mike: "What do you think I'm going to do? You keep doing this s--- to me. I'm going to beat your ass. You act like a tough guy from the safety of your apartment. Come and say this s--- that you've been writing on your site to my face. And then I'll beat your ass and we'll see how tough you are."
Luke: "I don't like physical violence. I'm not very tough."
Mike: "You're asking for it Luke. I don't know what your f---ing game is. What are you trying to accomplish?"
Luke: "I'm just giving you back what you give to me."
Mike: "Luke, show up now."
Luke: "I'll show up tomorrow if you like."
Mike: "It doesn't make any difference because the outcome is going to be the same. Meet me today."
Luke: "I can't. I have too much going on."
Mike: "f--- you. Meet me today."
Luke: "I don't want to get beat up."
Mike: "Then stop writing this s--- about me. And put an apology on your f---ing website. You know that I am not gay yet you keep saying that s---. And I want a sincere apology. I'm being dead serious. I want a sincere apology and on your website today and if it is sincere and no bulls---, maybe I will reconsider kicking your ass when I see you but if you antagonize me further, I am going to put you in the f---ing hospital. That's a f---ing promise. Do you understand me?"
Luke: "Yes."
Mike: "Fine. And it better be sincere and none of this backhanded s---."
Mike hangs up but he phones back at 10:51 AM.
Mike: "Hey, I want that up there by noon. I swear to God Luke, tell me what you are going to do. I just want to know from your own lips..."
Luke: "I'll write it right now as we're on the phone."
Mike: "No, just tell me what you're going to do."
Luke: "I'm going to apologize."
Mike: "And you're going to be what?"
Luke: "Genuine."
Mike: "And it's not going to be any of your typical baby tricks, is it?"
Luke: "No."
Mike: "Because what is going to happen if you do?"
Luke: "You're going to kick my ass."
Mike: "I'm going to do more than that. I am going to break your jaw. And I am going to break your nose and you are going to be eating soft food for a month."
Luke: "That's not very nice Mike."
Mike: "Luke, don't cop an attitude with me or I am going to forget the whole deal. Do I have your word?"
Luke: "Yes."
Mike: "Fine."
Mike hangs up.
Joe: is it me, or is albo just a wee bit sensitive? Joe: think the apology will shut him up? this guy sounds like one sick individual Joe: i'd say send him to linda but i don't think she deserves that Luzdedos1: :) Joe: so has anyone asked you about homeopathy? Luzdedos1: no Joe: well gee, you were such a convincing example of it...
Dangergirl writes: "What exactly is Michael Louise Albo's problem? Out of all the characters that have made an appearance on l-keford.com he manages to beat even Kid Vegas on the lameness scale. I had never paid any attention to this guy before he started bashing Peter North and Jewel DeNyle. "North's done gay porn!" - well big f---ing newsflash there... Everyone's been aware of it for, what, ten years or something? Apparently Mike only recently discovered the world of gay porn. Good for him. Obviously it was his obsession with the subject that made you poke him in the eye by suggesting he's gay? Then the endless whining on geneross.com (who's probably tired of him as well) about that mean horrible Luke F-rd who prints abysmally dumb attempts of parody on his site. "Albo does smack" - well if he really would it might actually do good for him by making him lose a few stones, so obviously that far from the truth. Had he brushed s--- like that off and stopped reading the site altogether, it would have just make you look like a total moron but now! he himself is even sadder than that. And this is supposedly a well educated man. On the net he's been at this since 1997 now I guess (posted as SouthFL@aol.com to RAME I think, you can look it up on Deja), so I guess you have your first psycho fan. Cheers."
Wee writes: Thanks. I loved your apology to Mr. What-his-name. I used to drink very heavily, and do some drugs. Mostly, I would do stuff like speed to make the drinking last longer. I always went to scruffy bars, like places where alcoholic vets would drink up their checks from Soldiers and Sailors. Even worse: biker bars, or bars where pimps and hookers hung out. I was safe because they all thought that I was insane, as indeed I might have been. I sobered up about 10 years ago, but I recognize that I am addicted to porn now. It's always something! Anyway, I was constantly getting myself on the wrong side of people who might have done me great bodily harm. I have been threatened with knives and guns, I've been sucker punched, and I was threatened many times over the most inconsequential things: whose turn is was on a pool table, or I'd invite people over and some girl would show up with some other guy than her main squeeze and I would get confronted about it by her regular boyfriend the next day. It didn't seem to matter. I became resigned to the fact that I probably couldn't get through a week without some kind of major hassle over nothing. It is the price of admission to that kind of life. But that was all face to face!
Jane: Good grief, the vehemence with which Albo makes these "I'm a big fat bully" threats to you for something that was obviously a joke! For cryin' out loud! You must have hit him deep inside his closet. The only guys I've ever heard of who react so strongly to being called gay deep down really are. Don't you think?
Jane: Gosh the more he spouts and threatens, the more convince I am that he has a twink he meets he the alley. And it ain't to beat him up, if you know what I mean. ;) I bet in his desperate effort to convince everyone of his manhood, none of whom could give a crap, he'll be asking me down to the Flynt building. Jane: I'm surprised that this multi-million dollar "legit" publishing company let's this bozo attempt to turn their property into his personal porta-pottie. Jane: (What can he do to you for printing what other people say?)
Chaim Amalek writes Luke about his troubles: Luke: It appears that that N Tielbalm (?) does not understand that you did not choose the name "Luke F-rd," but that it was chosen for you by your parents. Anyway, lots of jews choose gentile-sounding names for their kids over say, Mendel Phlemovitz, but that does not make them any less jewish. (My name would give me trouble in the Jewish community too, except that the typical American Jew is too ignorant of torah to know why.) As far as your putative antisemitism, I again note that Joohoo has no problem mentioning such luminaries as Marx (whose ideology claimed tens of millions of lives this century) or Annie Sprinkle, porn chick. Or what about Howard Stern, an avowed atheist who even denies that he is jewish (Stern often tells his listeners that his mother is catholic, which, as he knows, would make him a goy if it were true)? There is no rationale for claiming the very wealthy Howard Stern as a jew but not you save the RACIAL. Clearly his problem with you is racial, not theological, with perhaps a bit of shame that as a working man, you are not a proper role model for the jews. All I can say to comfort you over this rejection is that his kind are destined for the dust bin of history. One or two more generations, and they are finished in this hemisphere.
Regarding your Mike Albo situation, keep up the drumbeat. Just be sure that when you have that final confrontation, it is captured on video (better get at least two cameras rolling), and that it takes place at a place having great symbolic meaning to jews that will escape Albo. Oy, the money you stand to make over this!
Later, Chaim Amalek writes: Luke, you need to get serious about life. If you want American Jews to start treating you as one of their own, you will have to start acting like them in certain critical ways. For starters, you need to hook up with an aggressive, angry California lawyer (I think a black or hispanic lawyer would be great, although there is a case for choosing a jewish lesbian, too). Someone with a pile of chips on his shoulder who will sue all of your enemies on your behalf for some miserly contingency fee.
Once you establish such a relationship (and your Albo situtation may be the honey that attracts such a lawyer in the first place), you need to develop a proper list of enemies to sue. Start by considering everyone with money who has ever slighted you or threatened you (angry Mike Albo gets you rich Larry Flynt). Sue Yahoo over the emotional distress you experience over not being acknowledged a jew. Hire a publicist from the ranks of publicist wannabees glad to work for free. Organize your minions into followers.
By the way, I see NJG and fellow San Franciscan Annie Sprinkle as a natural followers of yours, the Trotsky to your Lenin who will do your bidding and recruit loads of followers from among the lost souls of San Francisco. Maybe you could promise to cure lesbianism by turning the disaffected women of the Bay area (I do not mean you, NJG!) into the mothers of the next generation of your followers.
Also, try to look more like an hassidic jew. Grow a beard and buy a long black overcoat and felt hat, just like they wore in 18th century Poland. Get some really long stick-on side locks until yours grow in. Wear some glasses that look very dated. Learn a bit of yiddish. Offer porners classes in Kaballa. Wear a talit gadol on cool winter days. (By the way, I saw some weird gentile fundamentalist on cable a few days back who does all of this, but seems to be some sort of christian, although I am not sure of this. A really spooky sight.)
Where is all of this heading, Luke? You know it as well as I do. What if you really are the Moshiach, the Messiah so many jews have been waiting for? Well, if you are, then do not fight it! Sure your first followers will be from among the dregs of humanity (appologies to NJG), so what? Jesus wasn't too picky about who HIS associates were (very much unlike much of American Jewry). In time Luke, if you are The One, even the Mike Albos will come around to worship at your feet. There will literally be no limit to what you can do in life if you are He. And I will help you fulfill your destiny, Luke. All I ask is that you give me 10% off the top.
Vivid Video Steals Credit Card Numbers
Vivid Video is stealing people's credit card numbers and charging them $50 a month without permission under the name VivTech 1(800)-848-4336 (CA). When the charges are disputed, Vivid submits phony documentation to the credit card company, claiming falsely that the charges were solicited. This has happened to Luke and Mastrick and numerous others.
Deep Throat: Well it seems you have a relationship with Serge Birbair already. The guy is brilliant, a story unto himself. He's made millions of dollars by working the adult webmaster chatboards through charm, intellect and bully boy tactics. I think he's a thief in that he herds up cattle (innocent web surfers) and hands them over to be slaughtered by the company he provides clicks for. Maybe you don't think this is illegal or a scam but I don't have any doubts that one day the rumors will come true and Multimedia Forum the company Serge works for will be charged by the FTC.
Serge claims he doesn't give a s--- because he is only an advertiser for the compay. I'm no lawyer but I think his role is more, legally anyways, and he has known all along about the fraudulent way his bosses do business. Here's how Multimedia Forum does business and remember that of all the major players in the online sex industry they are the ONLY one who does business this way. Why? Because all the others know they could lose their businesses running the same scam bulls---.
Serge refers to his boss as Yitzhai, Israeli? Jewish?.......anyways they publish the glossy girly mags High Society and Celebrity Skin amongst others [publisher Carl Ruderman, a king of phone sex and possibly credit card churning]. Here's how they work their scamming Luke. Serge provides them with 1 million, give or take, fresh victims a day. check out http://www.pcdataonline.com , they are the Nielson ratings of the online world, SergesLinks the site that Serge redirects his traffic from ranks usually about 50, right up there with the big boys of the Net, among adult sites he is 4th now in terms of traffic.
Usually when a surfer winds up on the doorstep of an adult website, they are offered a tour, along the tour there is always a join button/link, often there is some sales shpiel about a FREE TRIAL or a FREE WEEK. The big credit card companies have mostly put a stop to the free trials, those sites with their own merchant accounts and with the right processing company still do them. Ok, when a surfer thinks he'd like to take advantage of this FREE or 1.95 trial he's taken to a join page, legally at this point BEFORE a customer enters his credit card info there is a link to the Terms and Conditions of this business transaction.
The credit card processors usually demand this to protect themselves too. The terms and conditions usually tell the surfer that he is getting a free or cheap trial for 3 or 7 days BUT if he doesn't cancel the subscription before the time period expires the membership will RECUR at 30 bucks a month until he does cancel. RECURRING BILLING is the lifeblood of the industry, there are real concerns that the government is going to pressure the credit card companies to outlaw it.
Half the adult online businesses would fold up if this happened. Responsible companies like CEN run by Joe Elkind have been warning that companies like Serge's bosses are going to bring government heat via the FTC, Joe just posted a warning last week or so on Netpond, of course he xxxx'd out the site names but everyone knows the ones he's talking about.
Ok, here's what happens when Serge sends you to one of Yitzhai's sites, say http://www.cun-tv.com ....... the surfer sees it, it looks slick and he's intrigued by the FREE SEX TOUR graphic, so he clicks on it and he's whisked away to an html page with a form on it to input his info, at the top of the form is a shpiel that tells the surfer that he must enter his credit card information to prove he's of legal age to view the material BUT that his CREDIT CARD WILL NOT BE BILLED, at the bottom of the page in BIGGER letters it is repeated. THERE ARE NO TERMS AND CONDITIONS ON THIS PAGE.
So the surfer at this point sees no harm in entering his cc info he's so horny to see the naked girlies for free. Once he submits his information he is taken to a page where they ask him to choose a nickname and password to enter the site, buried on this page there may be a link to some terms and conditions BUT it's way too late, the surfer thinks he's getting a free tour. If the surfer is smart enough and he does find some terms and conditions he will see that he's about to become a member of the most expensive website on the Net, they don't quote a per month fee like 99% of other adult sites do, the sleazballs quote their fees on a per day basis, i've seen Serge's bosses sites at 1.99/day, not illegal but a definite attempt to confuse the consumer, nobody else does it.
A month later the surfer opens up his Visa statement and he finds out that FREE TOUR for which he would NEVER BE BILLED just cost him from between 50 and 80 bucks. I know ....... they got me twice about two and a half years.
By the way, the sites suck. They are bad for the industry, I can't even tell you how many people who don't know I am in this business have told me they were scammed, they are amazed when I tell can tell them the name of the site they were scammed on. Now it's a fact that 97% of people will NOT refute a porn purchase, most people don't even know what rights they have with the credit card companies and most men are embarassed to report that they were purchasing porn so they write it off as a bad experience. They also don't join another website because Yitzhai and Serge burned them :( Hurts the rest of us porn peddlers.
With recurring billing, some of these memberships get rebilled for months before the customer realizes something's wrong. Here's the scope of how much money is involved. Serge sends them I million fresh surfers per day, industry average is 1 in 500 surfers decide to join, with Serges bosses sites its probably higher because of the FREE tour and the GUARANTEE YOUR CARD WILL NOT BE BILLED scam, also notice that when you attempt to leave any of these sites in succession no less than 10 new browser windows will open with 10 other new sites owned by Yitzhai and High Society. Some people will bite on one of those sites.
So let's say that 1 out of every 350 people are sucked in by Yitzhai. That makes 2857 new members of Yitzhai's website everday of the week, 365 days a year. Multiply by that exorbitant 60 buck membership fee that 170,000 dollars a day flowing in, multiply that by 365 days it's over 62 million per year, work in recurrings and its easily over 100 million........and this has been going on for nearly three f---ing years.
Serge Bribair is a straight shooter with webmasters who send him clicks, he pays for raw hits at a decent rate because it doesn't matter how 'good' the quality of the traffic is when the sites he's sending the traffic on to has such a good scam waiting for it.
Now when Vivid announced that they were entering the online biz in a big way and were going to offer webmasters 35 dollars per signup they could send I was pretty excited. I like their stuff, the only porn I watch is the stuff with Vivid type girls, gorgeous chicks who you can't believe would be f---ing on video. When I got to there site to check it out I couldn't believe the web design was EXACTLY done in the same style as Serge's bosses, the same mousetrap, wording etc........... they have either used Yitzhai's operation as a blueprint or are in some kind of deal with him, I haven't been able to find that out.
There is a slight difference in how Vivid Video is running their sites, probably an attempt to walk the line of legality on advice of their lawyers. On the page where they ask you to enter your cc info and of course remind you THAT YOUR CREDIT CARD WILL BE BILLED there is a link to some terms and conditions. Totally confusing, on one hand they're telling me to go and enter my cc number and on the same page they're telling me if I go one step further I owe them 60 bucks. Thats why I sent them two emails trying to find out as a naive little surfer what the real deal is.......... no response to either letter :) It looks like Vivid is using the same scam that Yitzhai/highsociety is.
The guy who runs the cc processing company that does the processing for Vivid saw the post and replied that Vivid does their own credit card/membership routine on their own servers so he really isn't involved BUT that he was interested in the situation because they warn all the companies they deal with that they could lose their Merchant Account with the bank very easily.
About you and your friends and the sleazy credit card charges, call your bank and deny you ever made the charge, even if you did, chargebacks are automatic with online purchase for the time being, no signature the online store loses out.......another industry problem because so many surfers now know this fact and join numerous sites and just call their bank and deny they ever joined and its wiped off their account. thats about all i have to say, DeeperThroat you might wanna poke around to see if the rumors of the FTC investigation are real, i've heard them but i don't know if and when it could happen.......
Serge responds: Luke, the author of that e-mail forgot to mention that: 1) I've beed spying for chinese goverment for 17 years and still sell them plans of nuclear submarines. 2) I had homosexual relations with every presidential candidate. 3) KGB VP' is my classmate and I e-mail him daily all government secrets I learnt on the board. 4) Lee Harvey Oswald was married to my sister.
I was born in a small sicilian village nobody heard of: Corleone My great uncle Vito, whose picture is on every wall of my house, was selling olive oil. Also.....I was named as co-deffendant in DOJ suit against Microsoft, I switched from Apple to Windows and that was construed as collaboration with Bill Gates to conquer the World.
"WF, I'd "kill"..... l-keford, please post on your site that industry got to the new lows and now kill each other, as evident in the post bellow. ;-))) BTW, I found letter from you when you joined our programm, typed and signed by you, with your SS# and request not to report your income as you claim you were a poor writer, therefore, your claim of our dealing to be "on hand shake" are not exactly accurate. Please post this on your site as well. We always keep papers and I'm sure you appreciate that.
Luke, I usually have a good memory, except few rare ocassions when "to the best my knowledge I don't have any recollections whatsoever" Furthemore, as a writer, how would you rate my opening statement, if I have chosen to make one: RATE IT!
"Serge has never known Luke to be anything but straight up and honest. Today however I received a very critical revalation about him. I will post it now. I obviously cannot vouch for its accuracy. The revelation says that l-keford is a tax evader and it think IRS is collecting evidence to confirm that."
HOW DO YOU RATE THIS POST OPENING!?
Luke: I give it high ratings!
Serge: "Do you think there are too many Jews in porn?" Luke, are you reffering to RAW jews or UNIQUES? I never counted jews in the porn industry, but one thing I can tell you, look at the stock of Waste Management which went from 60 to 15 in 12 months. I honestly believe that THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH jews in garbage disposal industry!
"Luke, the revelation source got more...... You are a professional writer, for me English is a second language, care to run against me in writing industry essay competition? I'll put your "e-mailer" against my "Revelation" at any time.... "
Deep Throat writes: hahahahaha......told ya Serge is brilliant. I've never seen anybody get the best of him on the boards. He sits there in front of his computer just waiting for somebody to engage him in a battle of wits. They all fear him, even the biggies, because they know they are his intellectual inferior and that he has nothing else to do other than carve them up and humiliate them in front of all their peers. Nice life Serge has, 7 figures a year posting and reading a chatboard 24/7!
Just read your response to Brad Shaw Luke. Frankly I don't believe you or your friends didn't at one time give your credit card information to Vivid or an affiliated company, you were probably told that YOUR CARD WILL NOT BE BILLED but that to prove you were 18 and legal to enter your visa number. I don't see how they would ever have gotten your cc information. The scam I'm talking about is what are called 'scam front ends' to websites in question, a major player in the industry has been warning that he has some inside info that the FTC has been investigating these sites and they could bring down the entire online poon business.
The biggest online fraud known to date involved a company called Netfill that did phony up credit card billings from a database of people who had at least once bought a membership to an adult website. I don't think Vivid is that stupid to play that game, there's enough money to be made with their 'scam front end' scheme. I played dumb when I first saw their site about a month ago and sent their customer service email that I really wanted to take their free tour to sample their site, and that I was worried that even though in BIG font it said I would never be billed there terms and conditions had language that i was liable for 1.93/day, 60 bucks a month. I wasn't surprised that I never got replies to either email.
A YNOT porner writes Luke: Luke, How can you give YNOT three stars? Have you ever done business with us? We are the MOST credible web company out there. We are a webmaster community that supports our web surfers, I am also quick to point out that we do not work programs, or do any side deals as well. I would like to know of any company out there that has a beef with us for not being treated fairly. To be grouped in with IEG at three stars is at best- the most inaccurate statement I have ever heard. Luke, I read your site everyday, I know what you do is provoke people in the sleazy side of this business. A word to the wise Luke, if you start pissing with some webmasters just off heresay, there are people in this industry that will bury you, just because they can. Luke, being that you are mishpucha of sorts, I am writing you this. I respect your job and your opinion. However, before you lump YNOT in with the other PAY site owners and chat boards, do a little homework about us, you may be pleasantly surprised. I hardly think that Rolling Stone Magazine would call a company like YNOT for a quote if we weren't deemed a credible company. BTW you can read that article on page 109 of this month's RS with Brad Pitt on the cover.
Mastrick: "I've disputed the charges with USAA, the credit card issuer, and will talk to my attorney to see if I can initiate a cause of action in the Tennessee courts."
Andy: If your friend mastrick has a USAA credit card, they will go after Vivid like pit bulls. You dont f--- with USAA.
A source: I am an adult webmaster, with a conscience :)
I read your item today about VividVideo scamming credit cards. When I first found out about what Vivid was up to I was shocked that a company of their stature would choose to enter the online porn business in this way. Maybe you know the company better? They are working with or ripping off a scam run by a very large smut magazine publisher who has been on the Net for a much longer time than Vivid, I can only estimate the profits from the scam, definitely over 100 million dollars! Anyways if you are interested in the story and its scope I can give you the details on how the scam works and who's involved. I can only do this anonymously since some of the people in the scam are key figures in the online industry and I need to protect my business.
Bill Broderick writes on RAME: FYI : to anyone who has been charged by Vivid's website, When you e-mail them to cancel any membership that you have, make sure that you complain about the fact that they charged you. I don't know how strong the complaint has to be, since I lost the first ID, I had two accounts with them. I told them that I was disputing the charge on the first card (that had already gone through). I also told them that If they chartged the second card, that I would be writing a letter to the Federal Trade Commission, who currently has a bug up their ass about web sites (especially adult ones) that are charging cards fraudulently (after this adventure with Vivid, I'd have to say rightly so). However, Vivid has cancelled both accounts and refunded the charges that they have made to BOTH of my credit cards.
ikibento@nospam.com wrote: Has anyone else tried to enroll in the "free" trial subscription of this site only to find that their credit card had been charged? Also, what about not being able view their various screens? For some reason all we get is some html jibberish infinite looping and when we try to escape and the only way to get out is to x out and bring up Netscape again.
IseeCrack@yahoo.com wrote on RAME: I encountered this as well. It states its a "free trial" and then you are billed without being sent an email concerning this. Vivid (accounts@vividvideo.com) has sent me an email stating that the charge will be credited to my card.
Torris: This is exactly the sort of thing that would make a great letter to the editor at AVN. See if they have the stones to print it. I doubt it, but since they always blather on about crooks taking advantage of those in the industry and such, let's see if they are more than just talking a good game.
Chunkie: The same thing happened to me. I reported an unauthorised transaction to by bank. To my surprise, it was from Vivid, however, they didn't report themselves on my credit card statement as Vivid, which cause me to report the transaction. Once my bank sent me 'proof' that the transaction occured. I noticed that my name was not on the record, nor was my proper email address, and the terms for the sale presented (terms and conditions) were different than those presented on the sign-up page. I provided fax copies of the terms and the sign-up page to my bank for their review. needless to say, they were not pleased with Vivid obvious scamming policies. I emailed Vivid requesting their attention, and it took them almost a week to respond. By then, I'm certain my request for a chargeback got their attention finally, as I received an email declaring I will receive a credit. I'll see if that happens. In the meantime, I have a copy of the email to present to my bank if the credit doesn't occur. If you have been charged for membership to this site, likely it is a fraud and who should contact your bank and take action by challenging the terms of the transaction and request a chargeback. If you are thinking of signing up for the service, do not do it. If there is a heavy volume of chargebacks, it will force Vivid to change their policies; otherwise, their bank will pull their merchant number and put their site out of business.
John Robinson wrote Vivid Video: At 09:10 PM 10/6/99 -0500, you wrote: >I am, as of today, 6 October, 1999, cancelling my subscription / access >to vivid video on line. I signed up for the one week free trial. >Therefore, I assume I will incur no charges whatsoever on my credit >card. > >Please confirm that no charges will be applied to my credit card.
Vivid replied: Nowhere on our website does it say anything about a free trial week. Please reply with your user name (the name our system created for you upon enrollment) and the last 6 (six) digits of the credit card used so that we may identify your account and process your request. Thank you.
Well, Luke begs to differ. Check out:
http://209.189.110.19/cgi-bin/loader.cgi?bid=000103&sid=000005&next=/vvtour/join.html
It says, in part: "Ever wonder what the REAL porn world is about? Well find out... The girls are all here! Every knockout, drop dead VIVID SEX STAR you've ever wanted to take to bed is here performing perverse, dirty acts. And you can see them NUDE AND RUDE right now in our FREE SEX PREVIEW. The most gorgeous girls in the world are getting it from every angle and they're completely uninhibited - just for you, for FREE! Once inside you'll see every VIVID film and video ever produced PLUS extremely wide open photos of the stars with LIVE SEX CAMS. Get all the info on FREE PORN STAR PANTIES and YOUR FREE XXX VIDEO!! Just enter your credit card information to prove that you're 18 and start your FREE SEX PREVIEW!! Credit Card # Expiration Year 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 Expiration Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sept Oct Nov Dec Credit Card Billing Zip Code Birth Date (MMDDYY) E-Mail Address YOUR CARD WILL NOT BE BILLED!!"
Globiz writes on the Condom Project: "Yeah..I guess it's a scam to tell the surfer the cost of a paysite by the "per day" price IF THEY CAN"T MULTIPLY.....:) I'm sticking with Vivid..they convert and after 100 signups they give you 20 free videos and after every 500 after that, they give you 100. Only thing I don't like is that they deduct refunds during a pay period from your total.(hasn't happened yet, though. Gee, I guess not enough people think they're being SCAMMED..pfftt)"
XXX: I'm guessing it's ieg seth along with vivid. It would make perfect sense to me, seth's been collecting all these credit card numbers all these years, and he has had a close working relationship with vivid. Another factor - seth has always done his own processing, which means he controls the credit card numbers, while most of us use 3rd party processors which control the credit card numbers for us.
XXXInsider: "Serge Birbair was always public enemy number one with Websidestory.com. They almost partnered up with Ron Levi from Cybererotica and Joe Haller from XXXCounter.com. And the deal didn't go through and left a bad taste in all their mouths and they went their separate ways. It was only this week that Ron Levi released his own counter.
"At the very beginning, before his pay site, he tried a counter... And somebody screwed somebody over. Websidestory has pulled out of the adult business and are planning on going public. Sextrekker took the lead as far as a counter service but Ron Levi's trying to pay people to use his counter.
"Vivid probably has a connection with IEG... Probably the IEG influence... Those two bonded early in the development of Vivid. Vivid only became active on the internet a couple of months ago so people really don't know what to expect from... They just know they're a big player on the video side... Now there are all these flags being raised and it would totally kill them."
Luke: "What did you think of the Washington Post article on IEG?"
XXX: "I've been telling people forever that IEG are the biggest crooks in the industry. I've known that for three years... They were shaving people... They were notorious for not sending out checks to the webmasters... They thrived off people who learned about them from the mainstream media. People who did not know anything about the internet but that they knew that IEG was big because they were doing the Tommy and Pammie tape... That's probably why Vivid was attracted to IEG... Thought they were big, without understanding the arena.
"Serge got started by brokering the traffic, paying three cents a click and selling it for five cents... But he'd get shaved... So he wasn't considered a big player, he was a loud player. He was the voice of the chat rooms. He was Mr. Brad Shaw, the new Serge, the controversial guy on the chat boards, talking about password traders...
"Serge is really smart and he used the chat boards to build himself as the credible guy. By doing so, he blasted a lot of people to take them off their high. This was an industry that back then was looking for a leader. Then Serge quieted down for a year and has just reemerged. He built his fame by being vocal.
"But the top traffickers are Porncity.net, sextrekker... They have a free hosting company that gets over 2.5 million uniques a day... They host over 60,000 websites... Adult Playground, and Karas... Al4A...
"Cybererotica may have the most members... Then Karas Adult Playground... Playgal, Gamma Cash... 75% of the market now is newbies... The next IA2000 will get 4000 webmasters...
"YNOT has always had a clean name because they never got involved with the scumbag end of the industry where people were shaving hits... They provided the cleanest service... They were the first place where adult sites gathered and exchanged information... In May they pissed off people through miscommunication and restructuring...
"AVN has more negative fallout than YNOT right now. They bought the IA2000 tradeshow and jacked prices way up, a $1000 jump to $5000 a booth. People think that AVN can be bought. If you wanted to win an award. Cybererotica was notorious for always paying off AVN to win Best Pay Site of the Year. Their site FF5.com was only released for three days and it won Best Graphics and Best Pay Site... So how could they win Best Site of the Year and it was only up for three days? That's how AVN lost its credibility.
"A lot of industry people know that Cybererotica tried to pay off Faye Sharp at Web Expo and she wouldn't take the money. And she ended up telling people and people overheard and he said he was going to ruin her. People like Karas know exactly what happened..."
From the October 20th Washington Post article about IEG head Seth Warshavsky: But this week he has found himself fighting troubling accusations of current and former employees. The allegations, made in sworn statements, include overcharging thousands of customer credit cards for memberships to pornography Web sites. They also say the company's revenues are substantially less than Warshavsky has said in public statements. The allegations were filed in connection with a suit he brought against two former executives and a company lawyer. Warshavsky accused the three--Evan Wright, Bert Reitsma and Eric Blank--of violating a non-compete clause in their employment contracts and stealing an IEG e-mail list. The three deny any wrongdoing. Warshavsky settled the lawsuit late Monday afternoon in exchange for the two former employees--Wright and Reitsma--signing a statement saying that information they provided to The Washington Post "may be incomplete and could be inaccurate."
XYZ: I think it's difficult to refute some of the basic facts, but is a matter of opinion as to where the law comes down on various issues. Like Serge's responsibility as to where he sends the traffic...an argument could be made that it's like a newspaper carrying an ad for a s---ty company...the paper's not at fault...but perhaps they would be if they knew how s---ty it was and carried the ads for a long time.
Metro Home Video
Regarding Metro Home Video, XXX says: "It seems that missed filings are NOT why trading was halted or at least not all of it a buddy tells me that when a publicly held company bounces checks....thats a BIG deal with the SEC."
Carrenter writes on Yahoo: I have done business with MGMA. (Non-porno) They are good business people. They ground me down in price, made me ship with a odd company to save a dime and took forever to pay. All signs of a good company. They own a zillion video copyrights (I think). And a few stores. BUT I sense that MGMA is being used as a POCKET by it's biggest shareholder [Kenny Guarino]. (Owns many stores) He owes the company a ton, cherry picks and sends the expenses and losses here. This is a "Martha Stewart" co.
Does Tennessee porner Mike Skokolo = Mike Thevis Jr? A Mike Skokolo owns a bunch of stores up there (TN) and a 421 Corp based in Atlanta.... The 421 is almost certainly a shell and Skokolo has GOT to be a fictitious name. I know that Thevis Jr has had conversations and dealings with Michael Morrison. I also know that Morrison has tried to buy VCA on a couple of occasions. I do know that Skokolo is NOT Michael Morrison...or at least the guy who claims to be Skokolo is not.
Linda Thoren writes Luke: I will try to set the record straight: During the shooting of Anabolic World Tour 13 in Sweden, Anabolic treated the Swedish pornstar Bianca real bad. She starting to bleed during a DP-scene. She wanted to stop, but they didn't let her. The Scandinavian distributor Max's Film who had invited Anabolic to Sweden, doesn't wanna have anything to do with Anabolic after that. They have boycotted Anabolic inspite they probably gonna lose money. They didn't even released AWT #13. There still exist companies with integrity.
Brandy Alexandre writes Luke about the below: Was there a point to that BT vs Rog conversation? I didn't understand a word of it. Were they talking about something Linda Thoren worked on in Sweden or while she was out here a week or so ago? Because Linda is nothing but a sweetheart and anyone who has met her will tell you so. On the other hand everyone knows that BT depends wholly on Anabolic/Chris Alexander and will defend anything they do to the ends of the earth. The offhand way she says every girl bleeds. Gimme a break. They bleed once a month. If there is so little lube that a girl bleeds, the guy is hurting, too. Not much action happening at that point. Unless the guy is told to hurt her and keep going.
Bianca Trump: Brandy can remember sex? LOL I am amazed. She stated that she simply didn't understand the conversation........so why even comment on it? I have done 4 videos for Anabolic out of 250+ videos total. I hardly think they are the ones paying my morgage. I unlike Brandy can honestly defend people in the biz and not always bash them. Besides wasnt that Brandy who was sucking up to Chris all nicey nicey at CES? Just mad because no one would hire ya girl? Your age comes across almost as badly in your personality as it does in your looks.
<xxxgen> Hey Luke!!! Street Fighter Man!!
<MadisonFan^> luke tyson
<MadisonFan^> hide your ear albo
<Mastrick> Luke into martial arts? Marital arts ain't gonna help with Albo hehe
<xxxgen> Luke is no pussy guys - I've seen him in a fight before! - He had the gloves on up here in Toronto this summer.
<LindaThoren> Luke: Why don't you write more about the drug-problems in the biz..?
<l-keford> good point
<Mastrick> Naw I wanna see Luke go mano a mano with more Italians hehehe
<LindaThoren> Rog: I want a Rog/Luke-sandwich...:-)
<BobBlec> hmmmm...
<RogTPipe> Me and Luke.......I dont know
<LindaThoren> Rog: Hehe, don't be shy....
<JimGunn> BobBlec, vomited a lot from car sickness on the 4 hour bus ride to the rain forest, otherwise I was ok.
<JimGunn> That should have read, Dirty Bob, not Bobblec.
<RogTPipe> Hmmm, on the one hand, I get Linda, on the other I have to be naked with Luke
<RogTPipe> Classic case of good news, bad news
<RogTPipe> How could I stop looking at Linda, she's the hottest thing in here
<LindaThoren> Rog: Whats the problem...Luke is cute...don't you think....
<RogTPipe> Luke is just not my type
<LindaThoren> Rog: Hehe...ok. But it would be an experience for life.
<RogTPipe> I'll wait till I can have you all to myself thank you very much
[zoexxx SOUND]
<LindaThoren> Rog: s---, there went one of my wet dreams....
<RogTPipe> OK, only if Luke promises not to post the transcript of our session
* MadisonFan mustve slipped into bizarro world
<zoexxx> lol
<JT27> c'mon Rog... film it!
<LindaThoren> Hehe, he will do that...you know Luke. It's gonna be at his site in an hour....
<RogTPipe> OK, then you have to promise to make a lot of noise so I'll look like more of a stud than Rod Fontana
<LindaThoren> I can be a stud.
<RogTPipe> OK, you can do Luke while I hold the camera then
<Mastrick> I like the Holliday's because the video quality and lighting and camerawork are all excellent
<RLaRue> Yes Jim was one of the first to hire me and has always been very good to me
<BowWwow> I like Jim Holliday cause he seems to like Girl/girl as much as me!
<RogTPipe> Holliday is always trying to keep up with the Gang Bang record, most chicks in one scene
<BowWwow> truth is, when you get THAT many girls in a scene, it's too much, usually. the idea of it is fun, but it's not so good usually when you have more the say 7 girls, cause it doesn't focus enough on the good action, cause they try to get a shot in of everyone doing something, not enough heat generated. That's my expert opinion on g/g orgies.
<JimGunn> If anybody sees a copy of Genesis Holiday '99 issue on the newstands now, there's a story with a sidebar about my Brazil shoot this spring with a picture and some quotes from me.
<TheOriginal[Bianca]Trump> hey and what was that that linda said about Chris/ Biff [Malibu].....that was meant as a joke i hope?
<TheOriginalTrump> i didnt understand the conversation
<l-keford> neither did i
<TheOriginalTrump> so you just printed it and dont know what it was about? gees luke
<l-keford> yep
<TheOriginalTrump> chris has an excellent reputation in the biz I cant believe you would stoop that low
<JimGunn> l-keford, you're a Jew like Herschel Savage is a Buddhist...
<l-keford> his biff ever raped you bianca?
<TheOriginalTrump> of course not luke
<TheOriginalTrump> he is a nice person with a beautiful family. He deserves more respect than that
<l-keford> ok
<TheOriginalTrump> so you will take it off?
<l-keford> yes
<TheOriginalTrump> thank you
<TheOriginalTrump> I hate to see good people screwed
<TheOriginalTrump> you really do have a heart luke. Who would have evr known
<l-keford> :) buried very deep
<l-keford> any scandal jim from mexico? payoff to cops, mafia? jews?
<JimGunn> Two scenes she did for me
<TheRogSay> She is really cool. I shot her three times this weekend. :-)
<JimGunn> It's so hard to say what is scandaous anymore Luke, when everything that happens in this damn biz is so surreal.
<JimGunn> I had fun. I got carsick on the way there.
<Mitsu> hey diablo do you still have a webpage?
<JimGunn> Not too much scandal otherwise, Metro shot lotsa scenes, we all sweated a lot.
<l-keford> i hear there was fornication going on
<TheRogSay> Then why didn't you go luke
<JimGunn> Yeah lotsa fornicating
* BobBlec wonders if people ever fivenicate
<MikeSouth> Hey Luke...howcum you dont have Albo arrested for making terroristic threats...I think i'd be funny
<TheRogSay> Linda slandered Chris?
<DetectiveTrump> <DetectiveTrump> [04:58] (+Gary_): LindaThoren, what was your opinion on the making of the Anabolic scene from World Sex Tour of Sweden, a great scene
<DetectiveTrump> <DetectiveTrump> [05:00] (+LindaThoren): Gary: I think it's a s--- sceene...didn't like the shoot at all. They f---ed a friend of mine (Bianca) so she was bleeding, I never gonna work for them again...
<DetectiveTrump> <DetectiveTrump> ] (+Gary_): LindaThoren, that sort of changes my opinion of the scene from Anabolic, it seemed like a rough scene
<DetectiveTrump> <DetectiveTrump> 5:07] (+
<Gary-> you mean what she said about him, that he would be a rapist if the camera wasn't running
<DetectiveTrump> <DetectiveTrump> 5:07] (+LindaThoren): Gary: Chris Alexander is a rapist, who should be in jail if not a camera was runing...
<DetectiveTrump> <DetectiveTrump> [05:07] (l-keford): who is chris alexander?
<DetectiveTrump> that is bulls---
<DetectiveTrump> Bianca is a grown woman
<DetectiveTrump> if she was being raped she would have said something
<DetectiveTrump> after all her years in the biz
<TheRogSay> Not casting any stones at Chris, but that's not always true BT
<DetectiveTrump> oh bull rog
<DetectiveTrump> she is no newbie
<DetectiveTrump> and kinda a bitch at that
<TheRogSay> Ummm, when did she make that movie?
<DetectiveTrump> we have all bleed at times
<DetectiveTrump> not enough lube whatever
<DetectiveTrump> no one gets raped and lays there and takes it....certainly not her
<l-keford> bruce 7's bianca? or bianca trump?
<TheRogSay> No one? Oh, OK, so I'm wrong, it NEVER has happened
<DetectiveTrump> i dunno when it was shot
<Diablo^> from what i know of chris he seems like a good guy, and i think he cares about the talent in his films. of course i only met him a few times
<Gary-> I remember that scene, she was very loud in it
<TheRogSay> I do BT, and it was quite early in her career
<DetectiveTrump> ]bruce 7 bianca
<DetectiveTrump> not me
<DetectiveTrump> Anabolic didnt exist then ROG
<BobBlec> hmmmm...
<DetectiveTrump> I was in the biz for about 2 years before they opened
<DetectiveTrump> bianca was in WAY before me
<TheRogSay> So you think Linda was talkign about Bionca?
<DetectiveTrump> and they only shot GB and nasty girls for the first 2 years
<TheRogSay> When the conversation clearly states it was in SWEDEN?
<DetectiveTrump> you cant tell me we lived in the same building I know
<DetectiveTrump> chris
<DetectiveTrump> might i add has never taken the trips to sweden and s---
<DetectiveTrump> the have someone else that does those lines
<TheRogSay> Like I said, I dont know what chris did or didnt do, but you're missing some key facts. Sorry I brought them to your attention, carry on
<DetectiveTrump> I dunno who
<DetectiveTrump> what facts?
<TheRogSay> That you are talking about the wrong girl, the wrong time frame and clearly missed the point
<TheRogSay> You're fortunate not to have seen vids by certain comapanys where women are f---ed into a nice bloody mess
<DetectiveTrump> we as women do tend to bleed. I have done it ...they simply stop filming untell you can straighten youself out
<l-keford> which companies?
<StephanieSwiftFan> yes Tak
<J0HNG0TTI> great tab posting taskan
<Gary-> if that did happen it must have been a different tape, Gang Bang Girl series or something, because I didn't notice any bleeding in the World Sex Tour tape
<DetectiveTrump> we are not talking about a damn max video
<TheRogSay> Ha, none Luke, BT said they don't exist and I know better
<Taksan> your dutch buddys a good one for those Luke
<Loudness-br> nice Ruby pics Dot
<DetectiveTrump> we are talking about anabolic
<Loudness-br> great post
<TheRogSay> Yes we are
<DetectiveTrump> I was there as a pa
<StephanieSwiftFan> ruby looked good in that series
<DetectiveTrump> and went 6 hours with chris to pay 6,000 for a bran spankin new porta potty
<Loudness-br> yeah
<Loudness-br> she's looking pretty fat now
<DetectiveTrump> then anither 1000 to have it specially sanitized
<StephanieSwiftFan> i always liked ruby
<DetectiveTrump> for some chick to lick cum of the lid
<TheRogSay> Layla and Maren
<Diablo^> Rog do you know Chris Alexander?
<TheRogSay> Yes D, I do. and if you have been paying attention, I didn't say it was true.
<DetectiveTrump> so raped is certanly not their style
<Loudness-br> Ruby has a nice and round butt
<TheRogSay> But are you saying he's never left bleeding in his videos?
<Diablo^> What is your opinion it then?
<DetectiveTrump> no
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<StephanieSwiftFan> ruby gives her all in her scenes
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<DetectiveTrump> what they do in editing after we start bleeding is up to them
<Diablo^> No, but im saying i dont believe he would do what it was claimed was done
<TheRogSay> My opnion is that the reasons for the attack on Linda's statement were incorrect
<DetectiveTrump> what?
<Loudness-br> yeah, but I've never seen her doing anal
<DetectiveTrump> she flat out called him a racist
<DetectiveTrump> op
<Taksan> a racist?
<DetectiveTrump> rapist
<DetectiveTrump> sorry
<DetectiveTrump> that is a very harsh accusation
<TheRogSay> Yes it is
<Diablo^> And if Chris does not go to the other countries, how can it even be claimed he was raping her?
<DetectiveTrump> so my opinion is she sux
<DetectiveTrump> chris doesnt even perform anymore
<TheRogSay> So that makes all your factual miscues OK. I understand, relax
<Diablo^> ive seen him in a vid and his dick does not reach from venice, ca to sweeden
<J0HNG0TTI> lol
<DetectiveTrump> heheheh he couldnt make a fly bleed
<DetectiveTrump> and no rog I didnt say it excuses me
<DetectiveTrump> I have know him for the better of 10 years
<DetectiveTrump> he is a very good person
<TheRogSay> Just quit jumping on my ass for pointing out you mistake
<TheRogSay> I believe he is, and didnt say otherwise
<DetectiveTrump> what mistake?
<TheRogSay> Not that you will remember that
<StephanieSwiftFan> ouch!
<DetectiveTrump> that he never shoot or partook in a rape?
<DetectiveTrump> or had one shot?
<DetectiveTrump> I will put my $$$$ where my mouth is on that one
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<l-keford> :)
<DetectiveTrump> not that I would remeber? what exactly is that supposed to mean?
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<DetectiveTrump> I simply commented on a bulls--- statement rog
<DetectiveTrump> sorry that you want to cry wolf with her
<TheRogSay> You're already implying that I think Chris would do that, when I clearly stated just the obvious
<TheRogSay> You said it could NEVER happen, I just questioned you on that.
<TheRogSay> My bad. I should have known better
<DetectiveTrump> never with anabolic
<DetectiveTrump> I am intitled to my opinion
<TheRogSay> Yes you are, clearly, I am not
<DetectiveTrump> no you are
<TheRogSay> And I should never have pointed out that you had the wrong woman in your arguemetn
<DetectiveTrump> but odviously you dont know him as well as i do
<TheRogSay> See, there you go again
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<DetectiveTrump> cause if you did you wouldnt have questioned it
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<StephanieSwiftFan> thnx
<TheRogSay> But you were wrong, and I pointed that out
<DetectiveTrump> wrong about what/
<Diablo^> and she admitted it
<TheRogSay> Go back and read the first f---ing thing I said
<DetectiveTrump> you still havnt said what
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<TheRogSay> You thought it was BiOnca, when the quote text clearly stated it was a different girl so your time fram was slightly off as well
<MikeSouth> hey asdg
<A_Stupid_Dirty_Girl> hey hey!
<DetectiveTrump> that i dont believe people legally film and distribute rapes?
<LMack> hi ASDGirl
<A_Stupid_Dirty_Girl> hey Mike!
<A_Stupid_Dirty_Girl> MAck....
<TheRogSay> You said that never happens, but that's a whole different discussion
<DetectiveTrump> i said i was wrong about who it was
<Taksan> yo ASDG
<spacemanj> Hey SDG
<TheRogSay> So what is your damage then
<DetectiveTrump> in fact i said i was unaware of any other bianca
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<StephanieSwiftFan> asdg
<TheRogSay> You are reading more into this than I ever said, which I should have know would happen
<Taksan> yo BT its possbile
<Diablo^> Ok Rog doesnt think Chris is a rapist BT, he pointed out your talking about wrong girl, you admitted you were talking about the wrong girl
<DetectiveTrump> what?
<Taksan> Rape vids
<Loudness-br> hi sgrl
<A_Stupid_Dirty_Girl> hellooooooooo everyone.
<A_Stupid_Dirty_Girl> <g>
<StephanieSwiftFan> Bionca
<DetectiveTrump> so now you are saying I cant have a civil argument? That iI am over annalizing you rediculous defense for her HORRIBLE accusation?
<StephanieSwiftFan> big nippled, flat chested
<TheRogSay> I don't see where I said that
<TheRogSay> You keep putting words in my mouth. What did I do to you?
<DetectiveTrump> of couse you dont
<DetectiveTrump> no wonder our whole industry is in shambles no one is friends anymore
<DetectiveTrump> pathetic
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<StephanieSwiftFan> play spades, not war
<J0HNG0TTI> lol
<DetectiveTrump> anabolic doesnt make millions filming rapes simple as that and anyone who says they do are scumbags
<J0HNG0TTI> does someone think anabloics scens come across like rape scenes?
<BobBlec> hey ASDG
<Taksan> L8R guys I got some visitors
<DetectiveTrump> and in fact spades sounds like a good idea....it is far more stimulating than this
<TheRogSay> Night Tak
<J0HNG0TTI> tak
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<StephanieSwiftFan> why did they name the company after steroids?
<StephanieSwiftFan> :)
<J0HNG0TTI> hehe
<BobBlec> cya Tak
<StephanieSwiftFan> buhbye tak
<Diablo^> lets call a spade a spade here. Braves are chokers, pure and simple
<A_Stupid_Dirty_Girl> LOL
<J0HNG0TTI> lol
<DetectiveTrump> and LUKE find something else to make headlines out of....Id hate for people to think the bitch went soft and is now defending people
<jimmyD> hey adam...i tried to ship you your tapes today but my distrib wont ups to your zip code cuz they say it's an un-porn-friendly part of ohio
<VKlaatu> pity - Porn, the NEA, the Wiccans, etc. need a few real more nail spitters in their corner to deal with creatures like Pat Buchannan
<BrandyAlx> I'm rather disappointed that Liddy Dole gave up so fast
<VKlaatu> actually the most important coup will take place when *everyone* finally agrees that "normal" and main stream" dont exist
<JimGunn> No aguing tonight
<BrandyAlx> lol
<VKlaatu> good, then lets all rally around the 1st Amendment - LOL
<JimGunn> I'm jet lagged and I alreday had my "(non)existence of god" discussion this week with Brick Majors and Caroline Pierce anyway, he he
<BrandyAlx> Why is it that Pat Buchanan thinks he should be, or ever will have the opportunity to be, president?
<Taksan> gotta hop guys I've been shooting today and I've got some people here now
<BrandyAlx> Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. Having a f---ing preference doesn't equal racism unless they say it's directly because they think the race is not equal to them
<BrandyAlx> It is not racist to say that you don't want to f--- a black guy. It is if you say you don't want to f--- a black guy because you believe blacks are below you
<BrandyAlx> Latin plural
<raoul> What about Latin plurals? Would you f--- a Latin plural???
<raoul> f--- him so plural his eyes turn blue...
<BrandyAlx> No, Latins plurals are inferior to me
<l-keford> :)
<BrandyAlx> Plus I don't find them attractive
<Squishboy> by logical equivilance, ANY black only wanting to have sex with blacks is racist.
<raoul> What about your husband, Mr. Ford? Would you f--- him or is it one of those strange platonic marriages?
<Squishboy> I'm sure there are many that don't think white people are attractive to want to engage in sex with them
<BrandyAlx> Exactly. I have heard from many people that Bill Cosby and Oprah Winfrey are racist as they go out of their way to avoid hiring white people under the guise of giving their own race a break.
<BrandyAlx> Sorry, Australian-born gossip-mongers are inferior to me
<raoul> Weird.
<BrandyAlx> That would include Gordon Elliott
<raoul> Gives Pauly Shore a BJ and won't f--- her own husband.... Sad...
BrandyAlx1: Everytime a I get a gift from a fan and they include their phone number, I try to call to say thank you. :) Once a fan in Australia sent me $50 for Christmas and I called and we ended up being really chatty and the call would up costing me $80.
BrandyAlx1: By the way, I had this fan, who is a human resources manager, call Forest Lawn to verify employment. He said they seemed really flustered at the mention of my name and he got passed around a lot.
They did it by the book, but said they could tell him more if he faxed my authorization and they sounded really anxious to talk