Tuesday, September 14th, 1999
Gossip
Penthouse photographer Earl Miller's wife is baseball great Wade Bogg's ex-girlfriend.
I hear that around 1980 porner Tommy Sinnopoli set up the rocker Prince and his girlfriend Appolonia with a mob affiliated record label.
Pat Riley
MadJack writes: Luke: who the f--- is this Pat Riley dude anyway. I get the picture that he's some fat piece of s--- who has nothing better to do than sit in front of his computer monitor(with his pants around his ankles) and try to act like he knows what the f--- goes on in this business. Has he ever SHOT a movie. I've been told that his filmography (The x-rated video tape star index) was full of plagiarized information (first hand info rom a REAL porner). Has he ever MET any of the folks that make his little dick hard? (other than at a fan oriented function) I took personal offense at his bulls--- piece on porners being basic trailer park trash. It showed how far removed this idiot really is from the REAL business. everyone I know lives in nice homes, drives nice vehicles, and never have a problem paying the tab after an evening on the town(which I have to assume Pat doesn't do very often, let's face it, how much can you make writing about things you have no REAL knowledge of anyway). I'll admit that a small percentage of the talent have had their share of problems, but overall, most of us have our s--- together. I can't wait to meet this wannabee at ECVS and let him know what life's about. Oh, that's right, he probably won't make it. Not only would most of the girls in the biz whoop his ass, but a couple of days away from his keyboard and the nerd jackoffs that buy into his line of s--- might not be there when he got back!!! And how would he deal with that......I've got a razor blade he can borrow.
Bukkake
JG writes Luke: 1st in my defense of being cast a as a big fan of Bukkake by DoneDone, I must say that I think my fascination with it is not the idea of many ugly ass putrid men ejaculating there hazy infected loads on a girls face, but the realization of what some females will do for a buck.
After seeing what you posted about the rates for such scenes...[$500] Dude, I can't believe the cheap prices these girls work for! I mean I can afford to do a few scenes my damn self ! I can see it now... With the abundance of so many thousand movies & new starlets (who will probably undercut each others work rates), the girls will eventually turn to all out porn making with fans. I mean it's already almost totally realized, 500+ man gangbangs, Girls going to the Bunny ranch, custom made videos, getting your dick sucked by a porn star at a strip club (I noticed Minka did this at the Market Street Cinema in SF for $100 - I would have patronized her, but I saw here giving her money to some scrawny f--- I would just crush with one hand).
Etcetera, etcetera I think the actresses are possibly wising up and realizing that rather than work only for f---Head pimp/crooks like Rob Black or just got damn ugly disgusting bastards like Regan Senter or Ed Powers... They can go out & make the loot by dealing directly with us, "the fans". I can guarantee you I would put out the dough to film a few scenes for my personal pleasure... And the girls wouldn't have to hold back there puke by f---ing or sucking an ugly old smelly bastard like Regan Senter... ( What the hell is he doing getting porn chicks anyways? )
I think these poor girls oughtta come get the money straight from the source. What have they got to lose? There diginity? Please.... (like there is any in Porn). I am tired of seeing the same ugly f---s hog up these sexy girls anyways... I think it's time the fans step in take over the porn industry. Screw Rob, Ed & Max... Hey do you know any porn girls in the SF area who will do a 2 guy 1 girl Bukkake scene? I'll pay them cash & put my movie on the net. No talent agency, no asshole director, no strings - just sex on film at a price thats right. Oh yeah & a big shout out to Brooke Ashley - hey maybe she can get work again doing Bukkake scenes. I'd rent it!
Porn Whore Coalition
DoneDone writes: I agree with JG. These porn girls should just say f--- the major porn guys and come to the fan or do their own movies. What does a porn guy like Rob Black or Max Hardcore have without fine porn chicks to bang? f---ing nothing. No one wants to see Rob Black naked I assure you that.
The porn chick has the power. The porn chick has the pussy, the Power Universal. Luke, we should establish the PWC. The Porn Whore Coalition. We will unite all the porn girls, smart and dumb, and we will put the power in their hands (of course we get to give free bukkakes). I do not agree that the porn chick is wisening up though. It seems that there are so many new porn girls these days, and I can only imagine they are all dumb. Being a lady and doing porn in the first place is stupid, cause you are looked upon as garbage by most people, and treated like garbage by the dirtbags that run porn. Thank god for stupid porn girls. Where would you and I be without them.
So to all the porn chicks out there that are tired of being treated like trash, tired of working with dirty guys, tired of getting little money, join the PWC. Just contact me, Luke F-rd, or JG and we will get you the paperwork you need to fill out to become a member.
Agenda-Benduh: Deep Inside Al Goldstein’s Fil-O-Fax!
Luke F-rd Wire Services Ltd.:
Some months back, l-keford.com received---from a disgruntled former Screw staffer---several pages torn from Al Goldstein’s personal calendar.
At first, Goldstein’s daily-planner pages seemed exactly what one might expect of a high-profile Manhattan media personality---with such entries as “Call Al Sharpton re. Knicks tickets,” “Wrap party @ Christo’s,” “Target practice w/Bernhard Goetz,” and the like.
Upon more exacting scrutiny, however, and hours of reconstructive journalism including phone research plus interviews with former Goldstein chauffeurs and office temps--the seemingly innocuous notations in the porky porner’s Fil-o-Fax revealed a shocking world of Caligulan excess. The fruit of l-keford.com’s research into Goldstein’s planner pages appears in the following decoder chart:
“Staff Luncheon at ‘21’”: Nowhere is Al Goldstein’s appetite for abundance more evident than in the frequent luncheons he hosts at some of Manhattan’s most captivating eateries. The Food Hive, located at 21 W. 27th Street, is known the length and breadth of, well...West 27th Street, for its artificial crabmeat and gimchi. Although the Screw gathering is scheduled for noon, Goldstein is delayed three hours when his limo’s automassage unit throws a bearing. By the time he arrives at 21 West 27th, his staff--who haven’t yet ordered out of courtesy for their benefactor--is covered with an oily patina of fermented fish sauce. The only exception is a recent hireling who, in her ignorance, turned up at the celebrity hangout at 21 West 52nd Street, where she now runs the coatcheck concession.
“Jerry Springer taping”: With cavalier disregard for his own safety, Goldstein rises to the challenge when invited to appear on the confrontational ‘Jerry Springer Show.’ The atmosphere bristles with tension as Goldstein and Springer square off over a hot buffet in the green room. Goldstein snaps, and security guards must be summoned to pry him away from a standing rib-roast.
“Annual Blood Drive”: Goldstein spends the day being driven around Manhattan in search of someone who’ll accept a donation of his serotonin-rich blood. The grateful recipients for 1999 include the set-dresser of a low-budget East Village splatter film and, across the river in Brooklyn, a soup-kitchen for Goth runaways.
“Massage”: Goldstein is transported to the rooftop spa at The New Yorker Hotel, where a team of unlicenced Sri Lankan osteopaths administers to his overworked prostate. Goldstein is administered a warm, soapy colonic---which he is instructed to hold while the staff goes out for lunch.
“Moomba”: Goldstein alights from his limo at Manhattan’s most stellar nightspot. He is promptly escorted by a squad of door attendants to Moomba’s V.I.P. entrance, where such celebrities as Ron Jeremy, Robin Byrd and LFP’s Mike Albo stand shivering in the sleet. After an hour, Goldstein vows to take his business elsewhere.
“92nd Street Y Lecture Series”: Goldstein is scheduled to appear at the celebrated lecture forum with Al “Grandpa Munster” Lewis and Norman Mailer’s ex-wife Adele Morales in a panel discussion on ‘Trayf Sex.’ Goldstein is forced to cancel, however, when his chauffeur is kidnapped by the Mossad and flown to Jerusalem to stand trial for conducting a Goethe study group at Bergen-Belsen.
“Shabbos”: Al Goldstein’s fondness for wearing liederhosen on Yom Kippur belies his heartfelt links to Jewish tradition. At Big Wong on Mott Street, Goldstein enjoys a Sabbath meal of snails stir-fried with trotters and mandrake root. An otherwise perfect evening is tarnished, however, when a particularly caustic fortune cookie impugns his parentage. Goldstein shows his displeasure by leaving less than his customary six-per-cent tip.
“Meeting w/Mayor”: Goldstein is summoned to City Hall for consultations on the alarming trend towards corporate flight from Manhattan. Despite the mayor’s pleas and offers of generous tax rebates, Goldstein adamantly refuses to join the exodus.
Mila Live From The Bunny Ranch
MilasWork@aol.com: Im at the ranch Luzdedos1: is that mila shegol? MilasWork: No,,its Mila, Queen of England you poodle dick MilasWork: How many Mila's do you know? Luzdedos1: only you MilasWork: Let's wreck some ass! MilasWork: I met Teri Weigel here...She's so cute. Luzdedos1: Did you f--- her? MilasWork: I thought she was like 40, but shes a hot young thing and I'm beggin her to do a scene in my third movie... MilasWork: No time to f--- for fun here...Ive been really busy. MilasWork: She thinks she wants to do a scene, but once she talks to my guys at dangerboy...They will scare the s--- out of her. She's not a dumb young girl that Brad can woo woo too and get to let me wreck her ass for 4250- MilasWork: opps..I mean $250- Luzdedos1: lol MilasWork: But if she will do the crazy nasty s--- with me and hardman....ill get her paid! MilasWork: I am so excited MilasWork: i got here and they had already had 16 private bookings for me...16 in 2 weeks? MilasWork: thats a lot of fans, for me anyway. Luzdedos1: wowo, you making big buckos MilasWork: and the first dude...some china dude...he paid $5000 for a "complete show' just like in my solo movie.... MilasWork: i got real close to him....and the blue duyy thing, and he got soaked...all over his beautiful hugo boss suit MilasWork: he was soooo shocked..then he got up...pulled out $300 bucks tip, said thank you amnd walked out... MilasWork: heeHee Luzdedos1: :) MilasWork: i guess he thought it was fake in the movie.. MilasWork: Ive had 3 guys pay to see me squirt...one guy drank it... MilasWork: its easier than shooting for dangerboy and having a stiffy up my ass from 9 am till midnight MilasWork: Haha Luzdedos1: lol MilasWork: anyway...those dude f---s are editing my new movie right now....
MilasWork: I hopew they hide it from Kid Vegas..haha MilasWork: and im here in carson s---ty till next tues MilasWork: so all the boys out there with an extra few grand....come see Mila at the ranch mother f---ers....lets wreck some ass! MilasWork: and bring me wine coolers...there is a drout up here Luzdedos1: :) MilasWork: How have you been Luzdedos1: ok, busy Luzdedos1: how many customers have you done? MilasWork: ive seen like 2 a day MilasWork: Dude- Brad just called me and said the f---ing flagstaff police just called him asking s--- about me and they want to file charges for that s--- at the store signing MilasWork: those mother f---ers Luzdedos1: What are they going to charge you with? MilasWork: Im not sure MilasWork: bulls--- MilasWork: just costs atty fees MilasWork: Brad is yelling at me.....why do you always have to be a total f---ing slut? MilasWork: because I am MilasWork: heehee MilasWork: he said " I guesss its a good thing" MilasWork: they said I groped an undercover cop while taking a picture Luzdedos1: did you? MilasWork: in a private business, adult zoned business, with knowledge that there was a live signing with adult actresses MilasWork: yeah...i grabbed his f---ing cock.... MilasWork: he asked me too...i think MilasWork: he had his pants on. Do you know anybody that can straighten a thing like that out? Luzdedos1: I will post something about it on my site and see if that can get you help.
MilasWork: Oh...like you arent already posting all my early morning -havent had coffe yet garbage mouth... Luzdedos1: it will get you some help MilasWork: Oh...its all good. everything you do is help for everyone. I used to get pissed, when we first met, people talked s--- about me on your site... MilasWork: the guys at dangerboy have always posted stuff with you...and they said that its ALL GODD for everyone, good or bad press...it doesnt matter. MilasWork: people should figure that out! Luzdedos1: It's just good publicity.
PaulFi: she is sick beyond sick. PaulFi: how the f--- can a woman carry on like that and not get something bad? PaulFi: i can only imagine what her antibiotic regimen must be. simply from eating anal bacteria and cum alone. Eew. not to mention strains that become resistant to antibiotics. yuck-o. PaulFi: Is semen kosher? Or does it need to be blessed first? Can a woman eat cum with steak or a glass of milk? Luzdedos1: no PaulFi: no, not at all? PaulFi: like semen = traif? Luzdedos1: yes Luzdedos1: unless spilled into vagina
Porners Trailer Trash
Pat Riley writes on RAME [newsgroup rec.arts.movies.erotica] about "whether porn performers are low class people and therefore likely to live in trailer parks and cheap tract housing, I contend that they are. For evidence, read Luke F-rd's site (or Gene Ross's if you prefer) and you'll see a series of first hand accounts of people living from hand to mouth; of people settling arguments by resorting to violence; of people who can't accept authority; of lack of personal discipline; of constant encounters with the law over solvable issues; of a lack of self-esteem; of substance abuse problems... Look at the debutante tapes: Girls who don't know better than to chew gum on camera; the trowel-like makeup; the bad teeth; the suicide blondes who can't be bothered to redo their hair prior to their appearance; girls who are obviously unmarried or divorced mothers...AT 18. And, the clincher, they f--- on camera for a living. Do these strike you as middle or upper class characteristics? And where do low class people live? You got it: trailer parks, low quality tract housing, and one I forgot before, the ghetto.
>Since I only date Goth Chicks, you 're probably right.
PR: Maybe you should move UP to porn performers. Last night I was watching RSM #23 and noted that none of the four girls had any tattoos and that the only piercing was a belly button ring. Even the girl who claimed to be a biker chick was tattoo-free, at least as far as I could see, and she didn't have any visible piercings. One can only hope it's a trend.
Erotic Vomit
David Austin replies on RAME: > A couple of days ago I downloaded a
clip where a (I think Japanese) > girl vomits ...
There are men and women who find various aspects of vomiting erotic: watching it, having it done on them, or doing it; sights, sounds and even smells and tastes. They're called "emetophiles," and although they do not comprise a large group, there are almost surely rarer fetishes than emetophilia. Some emetophiles have the same horror of nausea as do most people, and so try to vomit by gagging without becoming nauseous; they find the convulsive nature of the act very arousing and even orgasmic.
Some emetophilia has a pronounced D/S or S/M aspect, some does not. Personals placed by gay masochists sometimes specify vomit play as highly desirable. This may also be true for other kinds of masochists.
It's been speculated that emetophilia was more common among those who frequented ancient Roman vomitoria. Most bulimics are not emetophiles, but some are, and their bulimia tends, for obvious reasons, to be difficult to treat. There does not seem to be any strong positive correlation between having an eating disorder and being an emetophile; there might be a fairly strong negative correlation.
I don't understand the origins of the varieties of emetophilia, but it's generally safe to assume about almost anything that it can and has been eroticised by someone, somewhere at some time. And with the advance of technology, those involved can share videos across the web.
Odd Nauseam
Luke F-rd Wire Services Ltd.:
Can the emetic be esthetic? Vomit painting took the art world by storm on May 15, 1996 when 22-year-old Canadian art student Jubal Brown spumed a trajectory gout of vomitus--red-hued from food dye injested earlier--on Raoul Dufy’s painting “Harbor at Le Havre” at the Art Gallery of Ontario.
Brown later proclaimed that Dufy’s painting “was so boring it needed some color.”
“My piece was intended to be a trilogy,” revealed the vomitist, “with one performance of for each of the primary colors.”
Unfortunately, a task force of indignant museum curators and Canadian Mounted Police was hot on his trail. So when Jubal Brown struck again on November 2, 1996--it was at New York’s Musuem of Modern Art. The target: Mondrian’s “Composition in Red, White and Blue.”
Brown’s esophagal ejecta was this time colored blue. Brown avoided arrest by telling M.o.M.A. personnel he was physically ill.
Once back across the Canadian border--he publicly declared that the bluing of Mondrian was in fact his deliberate protest against “oppressively trite and banal art.”
“I don’t hate Mondrian,” explained Brown, “I picked him because he’s such a pristine symbol of modernism.”
Brown esophagistic visions were last splattered on the walls of the Manhattan nightclub Webster Hall, in an exhibit curated by the omnipresent Baird Jones--famed for championing such trends as dwarf-bowling performances , chimpanzee-fingerpainting and art by serial killers. Quipped Jones: “Vomit art is definitely the up and coming thing.”
Nikki writes: I've spent some time reading the various articles at your excellent site, the subject that interests me the most is the idea of these 'semi'-famous pornstars who are into beastiality. You list Linda Lovelace as having made a film, the rumours of Nici Sterling's interest, and talk about Annabelle Chong's admissions of beastiality, but are there any others? Pornstarlets seem to have that combination of horny and experimental natures, lack of intelligence and self-esteem, and desperation for cash (the "I'll do anything" mentality). I'd love to hear any rumours, suspicians or information that you may have - even if you don't have enough to substantiate it on your site.
Alisha Klass in InStyle Magazine
808Tanner writes: I was flipping through my Instyle (mainstream) magazine and came across Alisha. I couldn't believe it. I've never seen an adult star in this magazine, being a subscriber for about 5 years now. Porn really is creeping in to the norm. Which is good. Anyway's she looks great.
Torris: I disagree. She looks skanky compared to either Shane or Taylor Hayes. That squirting bulls--- gets old too.
Nerdboy: I don't think it's the squirting that gets old, it's the crappy play-by-play that she gives while she's cumming.
Porn Star Strippers
Uncle Stevie writes on RAME: A lot of porn stars these days make public appearances by going on the dancing circuit, in addition to making porn videos, and attending industry conventions. My question is, was this true of most porn actresses during the 70's and early 80's? That is, appearing in porn films but also dancing at various strip clubs too? I ask this because I do not ever remember seeing such 70's/early 80's stars like Annette Haven, Kay Parker, Sharon Mitchell, Serena, Seka, Sharon Kane, Constance Money, Sharon Thorpe, Andrea True, Desiree Cousteau, Candida Royalle, Leslie Bovee, etc., in any nude dancing tours. But maybe I'm wrong. I've read somewhere that Marilyn Chambers did some nude dancing in the mid-70's, and even got busted for doing that too. And Candy Samples was actually doing dancing and modeling long before getting involved in hardcore x-films. But for most of the big stars in the 70's and early 80's, were there as much porn stars doing dancing tours as much as today's stars?
Luke: No, strip clubs took off in the early 1990s.
David: In response to the fellow on RAME and on your site who asked about 70's porn stars doing dance tours. They did. I don't know about tours per se, but they did do "gigs." I remember seeing Vanessa Del Rio's name in lights for a dance show on 8th ave in NYC, plus Desiree Cousteau danced on the coasts. I'm sure many of the others did select shows. I know in the 80's alot of stars danced at Showworld in NYC(I specifically remember Ginger and Amber Lynn) I think now that porn is more above ground and people can rent videos in the privacy of their homes(as opposed to going to those mostly sleazy filmhouses), that so many more people know about adult film stars and the market is now there for a dance tour, as opposed to dancing in a few major cities for the mostly trenchcoat crowd.
JohnLee: I saw quite a few porn stars back in seventies and early eighties. Saw Linda Wong three times, twice stripping in San Francisco and once signing autographs at Pussycat theater in San Jose. Saw Desiree Costeau in San Francisco. Saw Serena at Mitchell Brothers in Seventies. Luke, even your bio of Rene Bond tells about her appearance at the Ivar in Hollywood. I saw her there. Show was not too good. She came across much better on video. Candy Samples was making hard core loops long before dancing or before anyone knew her name. Did you see the one with Candy with two guys and one of the guys pisses in a glass and Candy drinks it? I have that. I first saw it in 1972 or '73. I even saw Edy Wlliams in "84 at Mitchell Brothers. There were a lot of other porn stars who regularly appeared at clubs. At least in San Francisco. Of course Marilyn Chambers appearefd a lot at Mitchell Brothers. I also saw Abaigail Clayton signing autographs in San Jose at The Pussy Cat. One could check out old San Francisco Chronicle newspapers from the seventies and see the ads. By the way, Kitten Natividad use to be a hooker at a club she worked in Hollywood which got closed down. This was way after her days as a featured dancer at The Body Shop. $20. hand job. $40. Blow job and $60. for the works.
Jennifer Stewart
Yenaved: I know there are lots of Jenny Stewart fans out there so the question(s) is/are...what ever really happened to her? Has anyone seen hyde or hair of her since she left the biz in the early 90's? Why did she leave after making 25 films?
Bushmiller: Posted years ago was a reference to someone leaving a bag of videos on parent's porch, they flipped and she quit. So she left for college in middle America, parts unknown.
DSL: I was a big fan of hers...she did some good work, but unfortunately, they were in mid-90's VIVID videos which means that they are cut up to s---. She quit, as I understand it, in fear of AIDS.
Bono: I agree about Jennifer. She is hot no doubt about it. I enjoyed most of the scenes I have seen her in. I didn't see her take that many facials which was a disappointment and I never saw her do any anal. I sure hope someone knows what happened to her. She was a beautiful girl next door type and it was odd to see her in a porn movie but it was great to see someone so gorgeous taking on John Dough and even Sean Michaels in one scene.
DickCider: She was one of the few who actually enjoyed making porn. In Designer Genes, Joey Silvera comes inside her. That scene still gets me going after all these years. In the scene after this, she gives Joey a BJ and eagerly swallows his cum.
Pamela Anderson
Nice Jewish Girl (NJG) writes that Pamela Anderson is just your average porn star. "Gosh when I look at this woman I just think she looks and acts like any other porn star. Who ever gave her a chance at anything mainstream? BTW I saw her on TRL on MTV, and the clothes she wears, the make-up, etc. it just screams porn star. And the way she talks, there really isn't anything up in that brain of hers but fluff. I think if her mainstream (ha ha) career doesn't do too well I can see her going right back into porn."
About the latest Woodstock aka Rapestock, NJG writes: We are in the midst of a SERIOUS BACKLASH!! Jeez, you read Faludi in newsweek.com this week? FALUDI for chrissakes is feeling sorry for those poor guys...oh brother. And she is as skinny as Calista Flockheart, what does that mean? It means that while were sleeping, while we thought that we were equal, while we were busy with our lives the f---erz came in and changed the channel on us and took away the remote! Yeah they always do, they were complaining oh so loud, POOR US POOR US MEN WOMEN ARE SO MEAN TO US AND WE HAVE TO PAY SO MUCH FOR THOSE BABIES WE MADE AND THEN DUMPED THE CHIX....know what I mean? And us, being women and all, being women = having a heart and sympathy, something MISSING IN THAT OTHER SEX, we felt sorry for them. We sent Faludi there to ask those poor guys if she could help them. And then what happens? They f--- us over once again. What did we expect? We trusted men again, like we always do. We believed their pain when they said that they weren't being treated right, we heard them. And what do we get? RAPESTOCK. Thank you guys. Thank you very much. No make that f--- YOU MALES, f--- YOURSELVES GUYS. Thank you. The best way to a man's heart is through his chest. Now back to the regularly scheduled patriarchy.
BmanInLA: Luuuuuuuuuuke .... Bman from angerboy here .. just seeing if everything is cool .. Luzdedos1: yes baby BmanInLA: I meant Dangerboy ..ooops .. hey im a little scared to go shooting with you because of your well enemies but if you ever need help cleaning that pistola let me know i love guns BmanInLA: you should buy a AR-15 if you wanna be real bad ass Luzdedos1: thanks BmanInLA: okay okay your bad ass without it ... but nobody would f--- with you than .. I mean think about it you could go postal and take out an entire McDonalds from 100 yards away with one reverse banana clip Luzdedos1: :) BmanInLA: thats fire power.... okay Mr busy bee behave yourself and if you start getting too much trim send em to me
BmanInLA: oh yeah and NJG id like to take a swing at that I bet she is freaky in bed. She seems nice and all but i have to admit her values and morals are well honestly way too stiff for me BmanInLA: not that i wouldnt lay the wood. Why dont you start housing some of these girls instead of regen center or some other sleazy place than you can slowly but surely treat them right be kind and honest lol and possibly find the woman of your dreams.. I dunno maybe the library is the best place to meet girls. DANGERBOY VIDEO is going to start recruiting from the libraries.
NJG phoned me in a panic after discussing with me her incestual humiliation at the hands of her grandfather.
NJG: That was really unfair of him to do that to me. Don't you think?
Luke: Yes, I'm opposed to incest.
NJG: I'd never even kissed a boy then. I was only twelve, so innocent. Really sweet. How could he do that to me Luke? I don't have any feeling in my breasts because of it, none.
Luke: Eversince then?
NJG: Right. I don't like people touching my breasts. I'm not kidding.
NJG chokes back sobs.
NJG: I don't want you putting up on your website what I'm telling you because I'm really upset.
Luke: Ok, I'm sorry. I've met a lot of women who don't have sensitive breasts.
NJG: Mine is psychological. I know you know a lot of women that you f--- and that you know their breasts. So what?
Luke: I usually find that women with the most sensitive breasts have the smallest ones. The ones with the big bazooms that you want to play with all day, they couldn't give a f---.
NJG: They couldn't... I wouldn't like somebody to do that to me, at all...
Luke: Not even me?
NJG: I really love you deeply Luke but I don't think you love me.
Luke: I don't but I'd like to play with your breasts.
NJG: You'd have to love me really deeply to let me do that.
Luke: Maybe we could do role-playing games and I could play your grandfather and start touching your breasts. Wouldn't that be healing for you?
NJG: If I had your gun... I think it would be really healing if I could have real bullets in the gun when you play my grandfather...
I don't think I should have a gun. But then again, people don't think you should have guns either. They think you're going to suicide.
NJG sobs and cries and sniffs. "I haven't thought about it in so long. My life was f---ing ruined by him. Say something."
Luke: It was disgusting.
NJG: The date rape thing was different. It wasn't people that you knew all your life. This was somebody I lived with when my mother divorced, just a few blocks from your house. This was a man [Irving Brandes] who tried to beat up my father when he took me home on Sundays. It really traumatized me. Ohmigod, I'm just so screwed up in the head right now Luke.
When I was seeing a shrink, she thought that something happened to me as a baby. I was freaked out by men at two and three years old...
I remember being eight years old and a man walked up to my father's apartment next door and I started to freak out...
How can any girl trust a man when she can't even trust her own grandfather.
Luke: Later NJG phoned me back to give me permission to put our conversation on my site because after all my site, she claims, attracts rapists.
Porn Chat
<A_Stupid_> Just wanted to let NJG know that I am NOT a RAPIST
just because I read your site. I'm WITH her on the Rapestock thing..we
need to make people aware of what's happening. I read your site because
it's funny (sometimes) and informative (other times). That make me a
rapist? No.
<msmuffin> I don;t see porn as dirty.
<Kelley> Hmmm....I'm not a rapist :)
<A_Stupid_> I was fuming mad.
<A_Stupid_> I am NOT a damn racist
<Kelley> oh, racist!
<Kelley> Well, I'm not that either
<msmuffin> Not a rapist nor a racist here.
<A_Stupid_> rapist!
<A_Stupid_> that's what I meant to type..lol
<msmuffin> I've had sex with lots of men of all races.
<Kelley> But have you raped them? :)
<^Cthulu^> I'd like to know why there isnt any bloodplay in porn,
I mean you cant even find any European porn with bloodplay
<VKlaatu> pop quiz: what was the first Adult film you ever watched?
<KellyHavl> the devil in miss jones
<msmuffin> I don;t know, something a guy had on as we were having
sex
<VKlaatu> Taboo
<Kelley> TabooII..didn't watch it, per se, but my babysitter had
a slumber party one night and she and her friends were watching it
<VKlaatu> Taboo I , rahter
<Kelley> I was peering around the corner
<raoul> My first pornos were 8mm loops
<raoul> "Hot Ass"
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<raoul> and another one where a small blonde woman did a horse.
<raoul> Without much success, I might add..
<msmuffin> easier said than done Raoul
<Kelley> Doesn't even seem easy to say :_
<raoul> I take it you've tried, Muff???? ;)
<VKlaatu> hmmm, I wonder if some of the theaters done in Biloxi
MS are still open
<msmuffin> Let's leave that one alone.
<Kelley> I was just there last week.
<raoul> Yeah, ltes... ;)
<raoul> lets
<VKlaatu> Kelley, are they?
<Kelley> Not that I noticed...doesn't seem to be anything there
except for the casinos now
<VKlaatu> the "Red Light" district down there used to
rather interesting
<msmuffin> Have not done a dead guy yet, and am NOT going there
<raoul> He's be nice and stiff, though..
<msmuffin> Also don't do brown showers
<msmuffin> none of dat s---e for me!
<VKlaatu> hmmm, how about bloodplay?
<msmuffin> Nope.
<Kelley> I'm sorry..Bloodplay?
<msmuffin> No way I'm doing blood play- I'm scared enough of disease
<VKlaatu> bloodplay = consenual exchange of blood for sexual gratification
<Kelley> Ah. ewww...
<VKlaatu> consensual rather
<raoul> Me- I'm pretty satisfied with the ol' peepee in the pusy
<msmuffin> As opposed to tax collecting, which is non-consensual
blood taking
<Kelley> HAHAHAH!!!
<raoul> pussy
<VKlaatu> tame...
<msmuffin> Well, I'll do vaginal, oral, anal, have doen fistign
and golden showers.
<Kelley> So you're not talking about menstrual blood or anything
like that...you mean blood blood, as in running through the veins blood?
<msmuffin> But I kind of like to keep risk factors down
<VKlaatu> what no BDSM?
<msmuffin> Did one BDSM thing.
<VKlaatu> yes
<msmuffin> It's just not my thing
<msmuffin> Likes gang-bangs though
<raoul> Ever taken it in the earhole??
<msmuffin> No, never had ears that big- or a guy that poorly endowed
<raoul> Ckong- with the pathetic 4 inch penis. He could do your
earhole..
<msmuffin> I've been spit on too, and done the hot wax thing
<VKlaatu> most practioners of bloodplay like scalpels, syringes,
and razors - also we keep plenty of antiseptic salves, etc. on hand
- bloodletting is a dying art...
<VKlaatu> well Kelley, then what's your fave Adult film?
<Kelley> hmm...its it just us now? Guess I was gone for awhile
<Kelley> I don't know that I have a favorite
<Kelley> What's yours?
<VKlaatu> tie amongst Sex World, Dark Angel, and Taboo I
<Kelley> I'm not much of an afficianado...
<Kelley> What makes those your favorites?
<VKlaatu> oh and I left out Devil in Miss Jones II
<VKlaatu> to be honest, the atmosphere
<Kelley> In what way?
Hope you don't mind me asking...
<VKlaatu> I mean its more like watching real ppl
<VKlaatu> not at all
<VKlaatu> the lighting
<VKlaatu> seems better controled, allowing for better photography
<Kelley> Funny, I can't ever seem to watch porn without being
concerned with the atmosphere...furniture, surroundings, etc.
<Kelley> Guess that's very female of me
<VKlaatu> I like to think I'm watching REAL ppl fuq when I'm watching
an adult film
<VKlaatu> not just attractive sexual athletes
<Kelley> And I just think if they're going to go to all that trouble,
they should also pay attention to detail...I don't want to see broken
fingernails, ugly linens, etc.
<VKlaatu> women like Savanah actually turn me OFF
<Kelley> She's the one who died a few years ago, right?
<VKlaatu> how about you, Kelley?
<VKlaatu> yes, suicide
<Kelley> Well, there are precious few attractive men in straight
porn, it would seem.
<VKlaatu> well, its not a job I would care to have, since they
are expected to have instant erections and maintain them until told
to ejaculate on command
<Kelley> And even sex has got to get tedious when it's a job,
not a hobby
<VKlaatu> I dont think everyone in that field does 40 hours of
it a week - LOL
<Kelley> Well, true...but I would imagine they have to do way
too many takes
<VKlaatu> we could use more like The Catwoman
<VKlaatu> I once wayched that movie in the company of three women
<Kelley> What is it about?
<VKlaatu> Kathleen Gentry plays a photographer who is frutrated
becuz her boyfriend is always away on buisness
<VKlaatu> so she goes to a club one night and meets John Leslie(who
boinks her quite well) - he tells her she is a Cat trapped in a womens
body
<VKlaatu> she resists the idea
<VKlaatu> until she just has to accept it
<Kelley> Is this a contemporary movie, or an older one?
<VKlaatu> about 10 years old
<VKlaatu> Directed by John Leslie
<Kelley> So, she's a cat...what does she do?
<VKlaatu> she has to prove her worth, to the former queen o the
Cats and then stalk her boyfriend<they have an interesting scene
on a bartop>
<Kelley> So was this pre- breast implants, big hair and fake tits?
<Kelley> fake nails, I meant
<VKlaatu> yes it was, infact all the women in the flick are C-cups
and smaller
<Kelley> That's such a curiosity to me...do some men really not
care if they're attractive, as long as they are huge? Even abnormally
huge???
<VKlaatu> personally, large is OK with me<as long as they sway>
but HUGE breasts turn me OFF
<Kelley> I'm amazed at the bad implant jobs I've seen in porn
chicks...you'd think they of all people would insist on really professional
jobs
<VKlaatu> there i currently quite alot of backlash against it
<Kelley> Really?
<VKlaatu> yes
<Kelley> Are fewer women getting them?
<VKlaatu> yup
<VKlaatu> actually I understand there's more pressure from the
strip club owners for girls to get implants
<Kelley> It strikes me that a lot of men are put off by women
with real ones now, since they see so many fake ones
<VKlaatu> I can only speak for myself...
<Kelley> Well, me too, though sometimes I get lofty and try to
speak for everyone
<Kelley> :)
<VKlaatu> LOL - who doesnt every now and again?
<Kelley> Very true.
<Kelley> So, what's your story....what brings you here?
<VKlaatu> research, I'm working on some erotic fiction involving
sex workers and I know some industry insiders hang out here
<Kelley> Ah. I'm working on non-fiction. Just recently discovered
Luke, and he led me here.
Vera's Outrageous Feminist Quotes
"The fact is that the process of killing - both rape and battery
are steps in that process - is the prime sexual act for men in reality
and/or in imagination." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone,
p. 22.
"Man's discovery that his genitalia could serve as a weapon to
generate fear must rank as one of the most important discoveries of
prehistoric times, along with the use of fire, and the first crude stone
axe." Susan Brownmiller, Against Our Will: Men, Women, and Rape,
p. 5..
"All men benefit from rape, because all men benefit from the fact
that women are not free in this society; that women cower; that women
are afraid; that women cannot assert the rights that we have, limited
as those rights are, because of the ubiquitous presence of rape."
Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 142..
"The newest variations on this distressingly ancient theme center
on hormones and DNA: men are biologically aggressive; their fetal brains
were awash in androgen; their DNA, in order to perpetuate itself, hurls
them into murder and rape." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War
Zone, p. 114..
"Our culture is depicting sex as rape so that men and women will
become interested in it." Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth, p. 138..
"One can know everything and still be unable to accept the fact
that sex and murder are fused in the male consciousness, so that the
one without the imminent possibly of the other is unthinkable and impossible."
Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 21.
"Cosmetic surgery and the ideology of self-improvement may have
made women's hope for legal recourse to justice obsolete." Naomi
Wolf, The Beauty Myth, p. 55..
"Sex as desired by the class that dominates women is held by that
class to be elemental, urgent, necessary, even if or even though it
appears to require the repudiation of any claim women might have to
full human standing. In the subordination of women, inequality itself
is sexualized made into the experience of sexual pleasure, essential
to sexual desire." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p.
265..
"AIDS education will not get very far until young men are taught
how not to rape young women and how to eroticize trust and consent;
and until young women are supported in the way they need to be redefining
their desires." Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth, p. 168..
"In everything men make, they hollow out a central place for death,
let its rancid smell contaminate every dimension of whatever still survives.
Men especially love murder. In art they celebrate it, and in life they
commit it. They embrace murder as if life without it would be devoid
of passion meaning, and action, as if murder were solace, still their
sobs as they mourn the emptiness and alienation of their lives."
Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 214..
"The dating system is a mutually exploitative arrangement of sex-role
expectations which limit and direct behavior of both parties and determine
the character of the relationship. Built into the concept of dating
is the notion that the woman is an object which may be purchased.: Kurt
Weis and Sandra S. Borges, Rape Victimology, p. 112..
"Under patriarchy, no woman is safe to live her life, or to love,
or to mother children. Under patriarchy, every woman is a victim, past,
present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's daughter is a victim,
past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her
potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another
woman." Andrea Dworkin, Liberty, p.58..
"Patriarchy requires violence or the subliminal threat of violence
in order to maintain itself... The most dangerous situation for a woman
is not an unknown man in the street, or even the enemy in wartime, but
a husband or lover in the isolation of their home." Gloria Steinem
in Revolution from Within: A Book of Self-Esteem..
"One of the reasons that women are kept in a state of economic
degradation- because that's what it is for most women- is because that
is the best way to keep women sexually available." Andrea Dworkin,
Letters from a War Zone, p. 145..
"Romance is rape embellished with meaningful looks.... " Andrea
Dworkin in the Philadelphia Inquirer, May 21, 1995..
"I call it the Noah Ark Syndrome. The perception lingers that human
beings should go two by two. Someone who is not married-either by choice
or by chance- is somehow regarded as abnormal." Patricia Ireland,
president of the National Organization for Women (NOW) in Glamour, February
1997..
"Ninety-five percent of women's experiences are about being a victim.
Or about being an underdog, or having to survive...women didn't go to
Vietnam and blow up things up. They are not Rambo." Jodie Foster
in The New York Times Magazine ..
"All men are rapists and that's all they are." Marilyn French
in People February 20, 1983..
"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the
experience." Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of
Student Life in Time..
"In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is rape
because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful
consent." Catherine MacKinnon in Professing Feminism: Cautionary
Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies..
"We have long known that rape has been a way of terrorizing us
and keeping us in subjection. Now we also know that we have participated,
although unwittingly, in the rape of our minds." Herstorian Gerda
Lerner in Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women..
"If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal -- a large
beginning class of 50 to 60 students say, with few feminist students-
I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment...of persuading
students that women are oppressed." Professor Joyce Trebilcot of
Washington University
in Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women.
Luke: Recent Medical Research Results has suggested that men should take a look at their beer consumption, considering the results of a recent analysis that revealed the presence of female hormones in beer. The theory is that drinking beer makes men turn into women. To test the finding, 100 men were fed 6 pints of beer each. It was then observed that 100% of the men gained weight, talked excessively without making sense, became overly emotional, couldn't drive, failed to think rationally, argued over nothing, and refused to apologize when wrong. No further testing is planned.
Is Luke A Real Jew?
Amalek writes: I found the most recent set of comments that NJG left very interesting. She noted that you are not "really" a jew, and attacked you in part for publicly airing some dirty laundry that you have come across. The vast majority of born jews certainly would not reveal such shame to the goyim, and the fact that you, a self-proclaimed convert to the religion routinely do just that is evidence enough for many born jews that you are just calling yourself a jew as a goof on all the jews you meet in porn. NJG likely thinks that if the s--- were to really hit the fan, she and other "racially" jewish people would be sent "away", whereas you could always say you were just pretending to be jewish all along.
And she does have a point! You could leave Judaism tomorrow and be welcomed back into the fold of the 7th Day Adventists, or join any church that is more to your liking, without ever being tagged a jew. Chrstian groups love winning anew the souls of the lapsed. If NJG attempted to follow you, she would always be known as that jewish convert. And her family would condemn her for her betrayal of her faith far, far more strongly than your close relatives have condemned you for going jewish on them.
In short, you can come and go as you choose. She cannot - and that is of great advantage to you. As I have noted before, Judaism does NOT insist that only jews get to heaven, contra to the standard dogma of most fundamentalist christians that only the saved get in. So right now, today, you could walk away fom Judaism, return to Jesus, and thereby be on track for admission to heaven according to the beliefs of two religions instead of just one. Two for the price of one! And who would blame you - after having learned that, in addition to giving the world Freud, Communism, and The Bomb, the Jews are also responsible for much of the world's porn - you could always say that you came full of hope, but left with your eyes wide open.
So how about it Luke - wouldn't you be happier next Sunday night having sex with a mensturating blonde porn starlet while eating a ham sandwhich than standing in shul, fasting, facing the Judgement of God? What does any christian have to gain by going jewish?
Luke Feels Uncomfortable
Cocksocket: Sorry you are uncomfortable
Cocksocket: YOU??? No moral judgements?
Cocksocket: I think I just got dumped :)
Luzdedos1: Your political activism/views bother me, but I am not flummmoxed about being bothered.
Luzdedos1: I still want you
Cocksocket: Then why do you want me?
Luzdedos1: Primarily, I like the vibration of talking with you. 2 - i like your looks. 3 - i like your manners, 4 - your background, similar interests, 5 - that you like me and can handle my eccentricities and interests
Cocksocket: That's not much reason...
Luzdedos1: Well, what I seek is someone i like being around, and i like being around you.
Cocksocket: So, is this a lust thing?
Luzdedos1: in part, but primarily a spirit thing,
Cocksocket: So you have as great a moral dilemma as I in this case...
Luzdedos1: no, i see no dilemma, i want to spend time with you...it was never a condition for me, ala judaism, that my wife agree with my politics
Cocksocket: Do you think my views are immoral?
Luzdedos1: not sure
Cocksocket: ouch
Luzdedos1: well u think the same of mine, we have sig differences...on pol
Cocksocket: No, I don't think morality is a blanket concept. I think it's an individual concept.
Luzdedos1: I'm not going to be pronouncing on your politics or theology or generally on your morality...
Cocksocket: But then it must boil down to lust (which is fine, in this case) because if you think me even the least bit immoral, I am not wife material
Luzdedos1: no, because we are all, in part, immoral, and with 100 hours of thinking, I won't be able to pronounce on the morality of your poli views
Luzdedos1: I don't find your politics a killer...and i do not have and do not seek a solution to our poli diffs and other signific diffs, many of which we do not know about
Cocksocket: True, and we are both really making judgements (in some cases) on things about which we know very little in real experience.
Luzdedos1: true, so let the politics ride...
Cocksocket: Well, you mentioned that it bothered you...was just trying to get you back in a comfort zone
Luzdedos1: there's no need to get me into a comfort zone, i am comfortable with being uncomfortable...
Cocksocket: Ok..be uncomfortable then...I am not comfortable with it.
Luzdedos1: you can't be comfortable with me being uncomfortable?
Cocksocket: I would prefer you weren't...I'm a fixer
Cocksocket: And if you need to remove yourself from this situation until I decide whether to come there, I understand
Luzdedos1: Ok, i do want to remove myself until you decide...
Cocksocket: Ok. Thank you for saying it.
Luzdedos1: so?
Cocksocket: So, I will miss you. And I will have to spend a lot of time thinking about this.
Luzdedos1: I will miss you too...i reserve the right to change my mind and call you at any time. :)
Luzdedos1: And call me if you need my thoughts on anything...
Cocksocket: f---...how did this go so badly so quickly?
Luzdedos1: we ran into reality
Cocksocket: Strange to say, but it hurts
Luzdedos1: We've compressed an 8month relationship into 24 hrs
Luzdedos1: Just ... get it over with.
Cocksocket: :) <---- trying your trick of smiling when you don't know what to say
Luzdedos1: :)
Cocksocket: Will that accomplish anything, or would we just be having this conversation in your apartment?
Luzdedos1: Yes, I feel like...mixed up ....
Yes it would accomplish something...
Cocksocket: Mixed up?
Luzdedos1: sad, disappointed, resigned that it is not my call, it is up to you..it is out of my hands...and I see that very clearly...
Cocksocket: I'm sad as well..didn't want to say that for fear you'd think I was being contrite
Luzdedos1: we flirted around the fire and got burned.
Cocksocket: And if I showed up on your doorstep tomorrow?
Luzdedos1: I would be very very happy, and we could salve each other's burns
Cocksocket: The whole burning bush thing, come full circle :)
Cocksocket: All things being equal (ok, let's just pretend)...I want you
Luzdedos1: I want you too. Very much.
Cocksocket: This sucks
Luzdedos1: what can we do to solve/salve it?
Cocksocket: If I knew the answer to that, we'd still be on the phone talking instead of typing.
Cocksocket: But is the dilemma here, "Do we f---?" or is it deeper than that?
Luzdedos1: The dilemma here is that you can't have... You will have to make a choice.
Cocksocket: It's been a very long time since I've felt this way about another man.
Luzdedos1: would we be able to hang out with having sex? cause if we had sex, that would hurt...but if we did not have any sort of sex, but only hung out...that would not wound...
Cocksocket: Could you?
Luzdedos1: yes
Luzdedos1: but no physical then, no kissing.nothing
Cocksocket: And doesn't that postpone and prolong instead of solve?
Luzdedos1: It's not clear what it would do.
Luzdedos1: we can't know that
Luzdedos1: we have to meet
Cocksocket: And you think it's best to sever ties until we do?
Luzdedos1: no, that is too drastic...we will stay in touch, but not so intensely...
Cocksocket: Good. I don't want to have to miss you 100%
Luzdedos1: IMHO, let's meet, no sex...hang out...
Cocksocket: You don't have H opinions :)
Luzdedos1: :)
Cocksocket: I'm not sure on a purely physical, sins of the flesh kinda level, I could resist you.
Luzdedos1: yes you could
Cocksocket: You don't know...I've seemed to gotten it pretty badly for you
Luzdedos1: and i for you...but we're discipl adults...
Cocksocket: Oh, intellectually I know that.
Luzdedos1: ok, there's no solution tonight...we will communicate tomorrow...g'night
Cocksocket: Goodnight