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- Wednesday, May 26th, 1999
AVN publisher Paul Fishbein adamantly denies rumors that he and AVN have invested in the prostitution operation www.la-vip.net. Fishbein also denies rumors that he and AVN had a big consulting deal with Ed Reyes’company which is going down in flames, I hear. Ed Reyes’ company won two big awards at the first annual AVN Internet Awards, including for best graphics. Ed is a superb flash animator.
Allison Roberts is in trouble again. The former porn star and then VCA employee who used to live with VCA founder Walter Gernert now runs a production company with Anita Rinaldi. A few months ago, Allison Roberts got into a verbal fight with agent Jim South. Now she’s bringing down a lawsuit on herself from Astral Ocean.
Allison is married to AVN VP Darren Roberts. AVN publisher Paul Fishbein is married to VCA cable sales head Kim. AVN’s site www.geneross.com is run off VCA Babenet servers. VCA spends about $200,000 a year advertising in AVN.
Astral Ocean received some tapes called "Return to Planet Sex" back from a one-stop as a defective return. Then Astral started getting orders for it. Astral realized it wasn't theirs but right on the box was their logo from our most popular series, Skin. Skin-Flicks, Allison Roberts and Anita Rinaldi's company had actually copied the same font and imagery to make it look like it was a Skin movie. They've also ripped off the X-Files logo pretty good too, same box. By legal definition, there is clear intent to deceive. And it's working because Astral keeps getting orders and returns for this movie.
Allison was adamant that Astral Ocean don't have a legal case. She said she checked with Russ Hampshire who says Astral Ocean has no legal recourse. Then she gave to Astral Ocean an example of VCA wanting to use a name for their gonzo company (Extreme) and they won. If I remember correctly, Extreme was the name in question and they did NOT win. This is for the attorneys to figure out, I suppose.
When Astral spoke to Allison, she claims that she "brought the Skin series to America for Eurotique". Not true! Roberts claims she invented Eurotique. Wow, she may have been here when Skin debuted in the US, but no one but Toshi Gold (Astral Ocean owner) is responsible for any major decisions at Astral and that includes going to Europe himself and producing the Skin movies. Allison claims that she was the one who designed the Skin logo and that Astral can't copyright a font. This seems in pretty bad faith to do something like this even if it's not illegal, believes Astral Ocean. Just because you created something (which many people at Astral do not remember her doing) doesn't mean you can take it with you. This is what she's implying: I created the VCA logo. I quit VCA, go on my own, but I take my VCA logo with me. Well I designed it! Why shouldn't I take it with me! Better yet, what if I decided to name my company "Devil In Miss Jones". Allison seems to think that would be ok.
Stay tuned, the lawyers are in motion. A similar thing happened with another well-known company, this time with the name of one of Astral’s series. Know what they did? Said they were unaware, apologized profusely and never used the name again. Astral believed them completely, and thought it was classy.
Halitosis writes: I met Amber Lynn last week. She is a beautiful, articulate and intelligent young lady. She is no dummy as others (YOU!) may have implied. She also informed me that she has been clean and sober for a couple of years and I truly believe her and think that is super. You better start saying nice things about her NOW mister!
She put on a wonderful and powerful performance at a club that we are both a little upset at right now.
She treated her fans to a delightful set of dance numbers, gave each of them "personal" attention while performing and greeted anyone that was interested in meeting her before and after her performances. These are the attributes of a true entertainer.
Miss Amber Lynn joins my list of powerful performers such as - Al Jolson, Sinatra, Tom Jones, Tiffany Mynx, Judy Garland, Wayne Newton and Tabitha Stevens.
I am adding her to my list of future wives. In fact I now place her as my first choice.
After Amber the others are all equal in choice.
1. Amber Lynn
2. Tabitha Stevens
3. Tiffany Mynx
4. Misty Rain
5. Asia Carrera
I may be seeing Tabitha this week. I hope she doesn't get upset that I have added Amber to the list. They are all gracious and wonderful ladies. I think they know, and I certainly know that we will be happy together.
Idleeric writes on RAME:
In an unprecedented move, president Douglas Bennet of Wesleyan University has initiated a review of professor Hope Weissman's COL289--Pornography: Writing of Prostitutes. This class, which examines pornography as a cultural and political practice, allows students to produce their own pornography as a final project.
In a May 11th memo leaked to a student this morning (see attached), Bennet questioned "the appropriateness of this course in the Wesleyan curriculum," and stepped outside the school's established channels of curricular review to respond: "I am therefore initiating the review and will make my findings available to the appropriate faculty bodies."
This move has drawn heavy criticism from faculty and students who claim that it is an outright attack on academic freedom--the free investigation of our culture, society, and universe regardless of whether the subject they are studied through is distasteful, offensive, or unacceptable in public discourse. With this precedent, they ask, where does the president stop? In the past five years the study of pornography has gained increasing acceptance in the academic community. The porn industry is a substantial part of both our culture and our economy--over one half of the traffic on the internet is on porn sites. It stands to reason that a scholar of culture and society can't simply dismiss it as isolated perversion. So why should Bennet attack the course now, after it's already been offered twice without contest?
Many suspect the recent burst of media attention is the cause. When Annie Sprinkle (a performance artist and former porn star) filled Wesleyan's largest lecture hall for a presentation on her career in the sex industry, the Hartford Courant ran an article that led to a lengthier report on the pornography class (which had helped sponsor the presentation) on May 8th. Yesterday, the Courant ran a scathing editorial entitled "Over The Top At Wesleyan" that claimed the course "smacks of voyeurism and exploitation." Today the Courant printed an editorial cartoon that showed three naked students singing "We are the Pornographic Ivy" in front of Wesleyan's Library.
Wesleyan's been very image-conscious of late. Known in the past as a hotbed of political activism, a drug haven, and a generally radical institution, Wesleyan has been trying to mainstream its image for the past few years. Yet when the administration tried to adopt "The Independent Ivy" as its official slogan this fall, students launched a series of protests that eventually succeeded in defeating it.
If the attack on COL289 is media-inspired, then it could mark a new new trend in higher education--as private colleges work harder and harder to market themselves to prospective students and wealthy alumni, they may wind up subordinating their academic mission to their public image.
If you are concerned about Doug Bennet's actions, email him at dbennet@wesleyan.edu.
Below you will find a copy of Bennet's memo, and a copy of the Hartford Courant article from May 8 which gives a good, if slightly sensational, account of the class.
--Brian Edwards-Tiekert '00
If you notice typos, it's because I've re-transcribed the memo from a printed copy.
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For: Board of Trustees, Senior Staff, and Faculty
From: Doug Bennet
Date: May 11, 1999
Subject: COL 289, Pornography
I want to outline my response to concerns about the appropriateness of this course in the Wesleyan curriculum, especially the final project that included production of pornography. I am actin pursuant to Section IV, 3, of the trustee bylaws which states: "The faculty, with the concurrence of the president, shall have power to determine, subject to approval of the board, the courses of study, the arrangements of their citations, lectures and other exercises, the times and modes of examinations, and the general method of instruction."
I have asked Richard Boyd to review the history of COL 289, Pornography, including the decision-making process that established the course, and how the course fits COL's program objectives and those of Women's Studies (with which it is cross-listed). If any problems are identified, we will use them only as guidance for the future. For your information, the course is not scheduled to be offered for next year.
I hope to have Richard's review within a week; it will be confidential. I will brief the board and faculty.
Under the bylaw quoted above, the faculty are primarily responsible for Wesleyan's curriculum. It is important to the vitality of Wesleyan that this responsibility continue to be exercised effectively and with a minimum of administrative oversight. In the present case, however, the faculty does not have established procedures for reviewing issues like these if there has been no student complaint. I am therefore initiating the review and will make my findings available to the appropriate faculty bodies.
This course and the response to it have raised sensitive issues of academic freedom. Academic freedom is justified by an unending questt for excellence.
Explorng unconventional territory comes with the mandate for excellence.
Academic freedom therefore requires accountability at all levels of the University: from the faculty member who proposes a new course; from the academic departments and programs that sponsor it; and from the faculty and administration who must insure that the course furthers valid academic goals and protects the right of students to learn in a noncoercive environment. My objective in this review is to strengthen Wesleyan's academic freedom.
Some of you are concerned that this review is "media driven." With luck, the story will be covered largely by nonsensationlist papers like the Hartford Courant. More likely, the issue will descend to the realm of the newly-pervasice sex talk shows and last a long time. Wesleyan must operate in the open and expect scrutiny from the press. In the presentcase, Wesleyan courted press coverage by inviting Ms. Sprinkle to address a public audience. When the press calls to our attention something we think needs review, we should review it and make whatever changes we think necessary to handle the matter responsibly.
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MIDDLETOWN -- The college student wore black pants and harness-likeleather straps that left her mostly bare above the waist.
Facing a wall, she bound her wrists with rope and asked to be whipped with a rubber cat-o'-nine-tails.
That scene unfolded at Wesleyan University this week -- on finals day in a seminar called "Pornography: Writing of Prostitutes." The performance was among a variety of student projects, which also included a video, some fiction writing and photography.
"I don't put any constraints on it," Professor Hope Weissman said of the final course assignment. "It's supposed to be: 'Just create your own work of pornography.' "
A decade or so ago, in a climate dominated by the politically correct, leading feminists viewed pornography as just one step away from sex crimes against women.
But at Wesleyan and elsewhere, a rehabilitated sex industry has now crept into the curriculum. Porn has become a not-necessarily-degrading art form that has much to say about society, a cultural artifact to be dissected and decoded like any other.
"Lingua Franca," a journal of academic life, for instance, ran a 1997 cover story under the teasing headline "How Feminist Scholars Learned To Love Dirty Pictures."
Porn stars now work the college lecture circuit. Performance artist Annie Sprinkle, who packed a Wesleyan auditorium Sunday, extolled the value of prostitution and told students, "The answer to bad porn is not no porn, but to try to make better porn."
Wesleyan offered its class for the first time last year. Hartford's Trinity College will list a new philosophy class this fall on the legal and political issues surrounding pornography and prostitution.
"Porn studies are very chic right now," said Sarah Maine, 20, who made a movie short for Weissman's class showing only the eyes of a male student as he masturbates. Yet the final projects in Weissman's class push porn's newfound popularity to an unusual extreme, according to some other academics.
Last year, a student from Westchester County shot a gritty film short of another male student masturbating to a hard-core commercial porn movie. This year, the filmmaker himself was featured in Maine's four-minute video. Freshman Abbie Boggs avoided being overtly explicit, but nonetheless shot photos that included oral sex with her ex-boyfriend. Other students wrote porn fiction.
Nothing, Weissman said, would have been considered over the line. "I push people over the line, whatever their line is, but only when I think they can go there and come back."
Short and bespectacled, Weissman is a medievalist by training. She is a self-described feminist who helped establish the women's studies program at Wesleyan.
"I think she's a very brave women," said Professor Constance Penley, who did pioneering course work on pornography in 1993. But
even Penley said she asks her students not to make porn movies until after they graduate, if only because of the criticism it would draw to her. Penley, chairwoman of the film studies department at the
University of California at Santa Barbara, said a chorus of critics, led by televangelist Pat Robertson, initially painted her as a "completely outrageous maverick."
"Now pornographic film can be seen as a completely normal
and necessary part of a film studies curriculum," she said. Experts in higher education said the shift reflects the broader trend in society, one fueled by the Internet and the growing prevalance of sex in the media.
"There's an intense occupation with sex, deviant sex, etc., that once would have been regarded by 90 percent of the population as just plain scuzzy," said Jordan Kurland, assistant general secretary of the American Association of University Professors. Pornography itself is evolving, academic theorists suggested. Once-marginalized groups, such as gays and lesbians, have begun making pornography of their own, using it as a form of parody and empowerment. The Wesleyan course is cross-listed in women's studies and the interdisciplinary college of letters, where Weissman has taught for more then two decades. The syllabus includes the Marquis de Sade, Susan Sontag and academic takes on Hustler magazine. "It's definitely symbolic of the kind of place Wesleyan is," Tanisha Johnson-Campbell, 21, said of the course. "Wesleyan isn't going to approve a class that's just going to be looking at trashy magazines and everybody giggling about it," the Bronx, N.Y., native said. "It wasn't superficial at all." Most of the about 20 class members are women. A few admitted to a certain discomfort with the material. "They were having issues the whole semester," Weissman said. "That's all right, I want them to have issues." Some students have not told their parents about the class, or simply glossed over its contents if they did. Others said their families gently wondered why they paid more than $30,000 a year to send their children to a university that studies porn. Weissman dismissed critics with a verbal wave. "It is an academic course," she said flatly. "No apologies." Matthew Smith's parents were a bit skeptical when they first heard about the class. "I can't say I didn't have some negative feelings at first," Barbara Smith said of the class. "But Matthew's taken a lot of well-named courses that he's gotten absolutely nothing from. I assume they're getting knowledge of some kind." Still, they have not watched the video that earned their son an A in Weissman's class last year -- the short of another student masturbating while the buttery voice of Ella Fitzgerald crackles from a record player. "Their best reaction," he said, "is just to shrug and say, 'That's what kids do these days, they make porn at school.' "
NKY Dude writes on RAME: Is it rude or bad to jerk off while watching a porno with a group of others.
I'm 18. Last weekend I tagged along with my cousin (19) to his friend's house. There were about five guys (who all looked stoned) in the house. The one puts on a porno and everybody gathers around to watch it. We went through the entire tape and nobody jerked off! They just sat there. Then the guy stuck in another porno and the same scenario unfolded. WTF
The pornos made me really horny but I avoided whipping out my own dick at the risk of looking like a freak. What's the point in watching TWO pornos if you're not going to do anything.
Should I have said f--- it and relieved myself? They definitely don't cover this in the ettiquitte and manners book!
Michka replies:
Yes, Miss Manners seems to have omitted and explanation of the proper way to handle this situation. :-) Allow me to give it a shot..... in her style, somewhat:
Gentle Reader,
What is important is what the people expect here, and how comfortable they are with you, and each other. If no one else is doing it then obviously they do not feel comfortable with masturbating in front of each other. In general it is not a good idea to upset that balance as someone could get very upset and perhaps even leave. Ideally you would hope that everyone wants to do it and they are just waiting for someone to be the first.... but if not then the person who tries will be subject to some harsh ridicule.
What I would suggest, gentle reader, is that you take it into conversation, in way that is both less threatening to the easily offended and less likely to cause ridicule. Asking the room jokingly if anyone plans on getting off here would be an example of this approach. Perhaps by this method you can make everyone feel comfortable enough.Oliver writes on RAME:
When I was a teenager I remember the dark days of the Meese commission. The message from the religious right was clear. Anyone who watched dirty movies was destined to become a rapist, psycho, wifebeater or worse.
I find the dirty movies of the 90's boring and unerotic ( I don't watch enough of them to be an expert, though), but the sad often heartbreaking lives of the participants can give us some fascinating insights into this rather unsavory industry.
I don't know of any studies of the effects the adult industry has on the _PARTICIPANTS_.
It appears to me that the people who provide masturbation fodder for the porn audience are often sentenced to a lifetime of emotional torment. In other cases they simply take the easy way out and commit suicide.
How happy can you be when you devote yourself to such a meaningless ephemeral endeavor? An athlete's career is equally ephemeral, but unlike athletes most porn stars must try to hide their past from friends, neighbors and their new employers once they leave the business.
The higher level porn stars face a catastrophic loss of income. Many of them are forced to make "comebacks" when they are _WELL_ past their prime. No amount of plastic surgery can revive their youth. The "comebacks" are like aging athletes: a mere shadow of their former selves.
What can give us some insights into these people? I feel _legally_ obtained _PUBLIC_ public records of Bankruptcy and criminal activity is a fruitful area to pursue.
If you know of porn star bankruptcies or criminal records, please post to the porn groups. In most cases these records can be easily obtained.
Hopefully this will be the first of many reports based on _PUBLIC_ records.
Even Though these are _PUBLIC_ records, I have decided to edit out the address, telephone# and SS# of the people involved.
My first report gives us insights into the meager income level of a minor pornstar. It also shows us that producers often cheat their own talent out of relatively small sums of money.
In this report, The pornstar's name is Brandy Alexandre. Public Record: Bankruptcy Case# 9351937 Central District/Los Angeles.
The abstract is:
| Case Number: | LA9351937 |
| Chapter: | CHAPTER 7 DISCHARGE |
| Filing Date: | 11-29-1993 |
| Judge Name or Initials: | ER |
| Status: | OPEN |
| Schedule 341 Date: | 01-07-1994 |
| Release Date: | 04-12-1994 |
| Filing Location: | CENTRAL DISTRICT/LOS
ANGELES 312 N SPRING ST. LOS ANGELES, CA 90012 |
| State: | CALIFORNIA |
| Court: | U. S. BANKRUPTCY COURT |
| Debtor (s): | ALEXANDRE BRANDY (AKA) |
Schedule B of this public record gives us insight into the meager
paycheck a lower level porn star makes in their self employment.
FROM
UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY COURT Central DISTRICT OF California
Debtor
CaseNo.-LA93-519377-E~-{if known)
STATEMENT OF FINANCIAL AFFAIRS
Income From Employment or Operation of Business
AMOUNT
$7,300 Present Employment
$26,975 1992 Self Employment
$20,500 1991 Self Employment
# 17 of Schedule B gives us the names of TWO producers who Brandy reports owe her money
Schedule B-Personal property
17. Unpaid Commissions
John Stagliano
Evil Angel Video $9,778.65
Unpaid Court Ordered Restitution
Angela & Berge Ekmekjian $ 1,492.50
Unpaid Profits and personal Debts
Charles Phillip Biggs
c/o World Modeling Agency $ 4,283.56
Other schedules give us the complete list of unsecured creditors and other boring things,so I will simply give you a summary of the pertinent schedules. Based on Schedule C (Property claimed as exempt),she is a fellow gun owner. She had/has a Berretta .25
United States Bankruptcy Court DISRICT OF Central California
CaseNo.- LA93-51937-ER (If known)
SUMMARY OF SCHEDULES
NAME OF SCHEDULE
B-Personal Property Assets 25,951.71
D-creditors holding Secured Claims $6,400
F-creditors holding unsecured Non Priority Claims $26,857.89
Current Income of Individual Debtor $ 1,285.53
Current Expenditures Of Individual Debtor $ 1,283.00
Total Assets $25,579.71
Total Liabilities $ 33,257.89
This Bankruptcy of Brandy Alexandre has a release date of 4-12-1994 as a Chapter 7 Discharge.
Brandy replies: "You are woefully misinformed if you think you can determine anything at all about my life from a bankruptcy no matter if you're pointing your finger at stars, producers, or viewers. There is no basis behind your call to invade people's lives this way; nothing to say you are even close to a deep revelation by such a minor and insignificant document."
Jake: "This is just what income she reported. Did she dance during this time and possibly not report the income from tips and polaroids? I think the problem may have been not being able to manage her money, and not that she made such a meager wage. Maybe instead of partying and having fun, she should have taken a college course on money management."
Michka: " I hope you are kidding with this post. The entire posting is offensive and un-necessary and has been overplayed so much as to make everyone realize that this coward Oliver (I call him that since he is in hiding.... likely he has even worse secrets of his own that he would be ashamed for us to find out) has nothing better to do besides things thare are cruel and un-necessary.
I assume that when "Oliver's" true identity is revealed (and several people are closing in on him as we speak, he simply is not smart enough to keep it up much longer) he will find out what its like to be on the other side of these mean and hurtful exposes. Perhaps then he will, through pain and sacrifice and perhaps potential damage to his own career and family (if he has one of either), learn that there is simply a difference in even semi-polite society between what what is able to do and what one really ought to do.
We all have skeletons.... not all of us are quite as bold as he is in trying to obfuscate them in the hopes of keeping them forever hidden.... most of us just rely on human decency. Am I the only one who is amazed that it only takes a few people in a community like this to prove that this is not always enough?
Rodger Jacobs aka Martin Brimmer writes on RAME:
"Millions of individuals across the U.S. file for bankruptcy every year and yet you somehow single out Karleen's filing as a symptom of some form of moral decrepitude. Do your friends and neighbors hold up to this sort of scruitny, Oliver? Do you even get the point of that latter interrogatory?
Like Luke F-rd, whom you seem fond of quoting, your self-loathing over your fondness for pornographic materials seems turned back upon an industry you know woefully little about. As a real journalist I can tell you that no magazine editor in the country would touch your story. Why?
Because there's no story, just a very small-minded and myopic individual beating at the bushes with a stick called hatred. Do us all a favor, Oliver, and post your true name so we can peek into your public affairs. "What troubles me, Oliver, is that you would waste your time digging up said "public" information about people whose lives beyond the screen do not concern you in the least. Certainly mainstream celebrities have filed for BK status and it has been reported by the media but you are not a member of the media and hence have no personal or professional stake for forwarding this kind of information to a newsgroup save for --- as I have mentioned before --- some twisted form of personal vendetta, not against Brandy but against porno in general. Quite frankly, my friend, I get more insight about YOU from your confession about "a few speeding tickets" than I do from your posting about some porn star's BK. People who drive beyond the posted speed limit show a callous disregard for the safety of other motorists and pedestrians, just like you exhibit a total disregard for "celebrity" Brandy Alexandre's privacy by posting her BK record. I say enough of this thread already. It's unmitigated bulls---, and the last thing we need is another Luke F-rd on our hands."
Qwazywabbit writes on RAME:
Everyone has a path in life, some are harder than others. Some, by choice, some by circumstance. No one has the right to sit in judgment of another's life. You and Luke F-rd and others who sit as self- appointed Judges of Righteousness have a hard lesson to learn.
The new zealots of RAME, who seem to have some kind of vague agenda to discredit and shame porners need to get a life. Get over your shame at having been in or used porn.
New evangelists of the "word" usually have the loudest voices, but they invariably get the message garbled. It's "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you." or as Confucius said, "Don't do to other people >what you don't want them to do to you."
I couldn't care less that Brandy or anyone else declared bankruptcy six years ago. It's a tool, no more, no less. I wish her well in her new life. You who would use this as some kind of measure of character need to find something to occupy your minds because you are obviously bored with your own lives.
Prometheus Books author Pat Riley writes:
I did think it was a little mean posting Brandy's bankruptcy and it seems it was motivated more by malice towards Brandy than by a desire to inform about porn stars in general. It wasn't that Brandy happened to be the first porn star's bankruptcy Oliver found but that he specifically went looking for her's. Prove me wrong Oliver by posting details of Zane's chapter 11 and other porn stars' bankruptcies.
It's also mean because Brandy has been a regular here and in asm for a long time--long before I got here--and although she's a pest at times, she should get some credit for being one of the family. Hence Oliver I suggest you stop right there and don't give further publicity to those other things about her employment etc that the world may yet not have seen.
However, there's no question of Oliver's right to make public (or make further public) the information (I'm presuming the truth of what he has presented) and it does reflect on the character of the industry we discuss on this NG. In particular I too was shocked at Brandy's relatively low salary and the creditors she listed.
Rodger Jacobs <rdjacobs@concentric.net> wrote:
>What troubles me, Oliver, is that you would waste your time digging up said "public"
>information about people whose lives beyond the screen do not concern you in the
>least.
They concern him just as much as any other citizen and obviously, given the response, they concern lots of other people.
Your objection would be a little less hollow if the other side--those Oliver is digging up information on--were reticent in divulging information about their personal lives to the public at large. Eden Rae has discussed her health problems; Tina Tyler her eating preferences and taste in music; Jen Teal her breast surgery; Heaven Leigh her prior employment, education, and origins; all in the last few months on this NG. I'm all in favor of porn performers keeping their private life private but they find it advantageous financially and otherwise to promote themselves to the slavering fan boy as a buddy or even a pseudo-girlfriend.
Brandy herself has recently announced the anniversary of her de-virginization, and even though she wasn't prepared to provide >details the simple announcement in a public forum connotes a disregard for her own privacy. Come on, let's be real. What female in any other realm would tell the public when she lost her virginity?
When porn performers disband their fan clubs, stop selling their used panties, and cease teasing the weak pathetic losers by massaging their bald spots <g>, and the industry stops their fan conventions aka CES etc and all concerned only tell the public what they see on the screen, I'll start to see some merit in your argument.
> Certainly mainstream celebrities have filed for BK status and it has been
>reported by the media but you are not a member of the media and hence have no
>personal or professional stake for forwarding this kind of information to a
>newsgroup save for --- as I have mentioned before --- some twisted form of personal
>vendetta, not against Brandy but against porno in general.
We return to the old argument that one has to be a member of the media to report on the activities of the porn industry. I thought that silliness has died a well-deserved death. Much as the apologists (since you don't like the word "shill") for this industry would like to control who prints what, the internet has killed their ability to do so. And rightly so.
> Quite frankly, my friend,
>I get more insight about YOU from your confession about "a few speeding tickets"
>than I do from your posting about some porn star's BK. People who drive beyond the
>posted speed limit show a callous disregard for the safety of other motorists and
>pedestrians,
Aw bulls---! You wouldn't be so het up if Oliver had posted Brandy's driving record, nor would the other apologists for the industry. You know perfectly well that most people regard bankruptcy as considerably more negative than "a few speeding tickets" particularly as it reflects not just on her personally but on the industry as a whole.
This is an industry that pretends to be one big happy family working for the benefit of the first amendment, the consumer's sexual enjoyment etc, but the litany of sleazy practices and financial irresponsibility puts it right in the same group as con artists.
> just like you exhibit a total disregard for "celebrity" Brandy
>Alexandre's privacy by posting her BK record. I say enough of this thread already.
>It's unmitigated bulls---, and the last thing we need is another Luke F-rd on our
>hands.
The more Luke F-rd's we have, the better.Lockman: "The nay-sayers in this thread simply have not given a single rational reason not to
investigate and report what is on the public record. There is no reason to give people who seek celebrity in the porn field a special dispensation of privacy that is not accorded to any other public figure. Regardless of the motives of the individual who does the investigation, no person who seeks to become a public figure should expect their public actions to go unscrutinized."SVENESB writes on RAME: "I rented "Whack Attack 5" recently, (1st rental in a while) because Ashlyn was on the box. But man, she just didnt look good at all...neither did she f--- very well...She is too skinny, tan too leathery, hair too bleached, voice too rough..what the hell happened to her?? Crack? She was one of my all-time favorites in her prime, but now...egad...maybe we should reconsider this come out of retirement schtick."