Dana
Plato Dead
MOORE, Okla. (May 9)
- Former TV child actress Dana Plato, who flirted with porn, has died
of an accidental overdose of a painkiller and valium.
Plato, who starred in the hit ''Diff'rent Strokes'' with Gary Coleman
and Todd Bridges from 1978-84 on NBC, was 34. All three have had legal
troubles since leaving the show.
Plato had a series of highly publicized run-ins with the law as well
as drug and alcohol rehabilitation. She starred in the 1997 softcore
movie Different Strokes: A Story of Jack and Jill...and Jill, a straight-to-video
production about a sexual threesome.
Plato appeared on Howard Stern Friday morning, and she claimed that she'd been clean for the last 10 years. She sounded high. Give Luke the Scoop on who will be the next porn star (and why) to kick the bucket.
A porn star sent me this poem. She's secure enough to bare her body but not her soul.
They only love you if
you are beautiful
and the ugliness is buried
beneath miles and miles of perfect skin.
They only love you if your nose is straight
you have ample breasts
and really straight teeth never hurts.
They definately love you
when they can mold you into
what you should've been
And when you are the whore
who they puppeteer,
They really love you then.
They really love me cuz i'm pretty
They 'd die for my perfect skin.
They love me , I swear it
They love me , I fit in.
They love me-I'm so stupid
They love me-let me die
They love me-I dont want it
They loved my suicide.
Luke F-rd on Fox Files: "The porn industry has left a line of body bags."
Luke thinks the porn industry is a terrible place for the troubled soul. Luke recommends good therapy and good religion and good friends. For those seeking support from within the industry, Luke recommends: AVN (particularly Paul Fishbein publisher or journalist Mark Kernes), Sharon Mitchell and AIM at 818-981-5681, Rob Spallone 818-996-6543, Greg Zeboray at www.zeboray.com, Russ Hampshire's VCA 818-718-0202, www.freespeechcoalition.com, Reb Sawitz and his wife Jerri at Pretty Girl International 323-882-8262, North Hollywood Clinic 818-760-4500, Shane, XXX, Nina Hartley, Bill Margold at PAW 818-501-6139.
Alec Metro
Just wanted to stop by and drop off some information regarding my continuing monthly thrashing from Hustler Erotic Video Guide (HEVG) magazine editor Mike Albo.
As we all know in the
industry, Mike Albo is not nice about people's feelings, emotions or
well being. He of course thrives on peoples misfortunes, mistakes and
ill situations. We all understand that the public people want to hear
about our misfortunes, and that's understandable. Nobody wants to hear
how much fun we really are having. I'm having a great time being a lead
male actor in porn. I'm currenty one of the top working men in this
industry and I am very proud of it. I also understand that being in
this position opens me up for juicy gossip. I'm sure we've read about
me being locked in prison for some drug dealing mistakes when I was
in my early twenties. I lost seven years of my life behind bars. Of
course when you go to prison or you have been in prison, people's biggest
joke is, "Hey did they have sex with you, was there a lot of raping
going on," stuff like that.
Truth about prison: Its a very hard life, there are lots of deaths within
the prison system. We were always on lock down because of North and
South hispanics trying to control then a northern prison by the name
of D.V.I. located in Tracey, California. It, prison, to me is not a
very funny thing, people's loved ones are killed on a regular basis
in California's prison system, mind you they are gangbangers, thugs
and murders losing their lives, but never the less human life is being
lost, and I witnessed more that my share of stabbings and killings.
The point I'm trying to make is. I learned my lesson by going to prison,
by the way these were my charges:
In December of 1986, after a one year investigation by the Department
of Justic, The B.N.E., Santa Clara and Santa Cruz Narcotics enforcement
team, I went down on a $150,000 cocaine drug deal. At the time I was
20 years old, with two houses and every kind of sports car you could
image. With the kind of money we, (my boss and his friends), were making
we could of opened a porno company like Vivid, trust me if we knew how
easy it would have been to go into porno with our money, I woudn't be
an ex con now, I would be wealthy.
To make a really long
story short, at age 21 I was facing 17 California felonies. Each California
felony carries 16 months, 2 years or 3 years in prison, per felony,
low term, mid term and a high, both the DA and the Judge determine how
much time a person should serve on each felony depending on the inmate's
records. In their eyes with that much coke, I looked liked a king pin.
To make mattters worse for me it was an election year for the DA. If
this sounds like a movie, its not! I'm a 21 year old male facing close
to at least 19 years in state prison, and I didn't even murder anybody.
It destroyed my life.
The DA offered me a deal, 14 years in prison, or I 'll take you to trial,
if I would take the county through one millon dollar trial, and lose,
they would sentence me to the fullest of their ablities, remember 16
months, 2 and 3 years times 17 felonies, people, do the math. What my
lawyers suggested I do is go with a "Bench Trial", and what
that is, I plead guilty to all 17 felonies, which included, substance
for sales, possesion of cocaine, intent to distribute, pondage enhancement,
conspirancy, weapons, yes we had guns, so would you if you were hanging
on to several pounds of very expensive cocaine, felonies for crossing
county lines even. Anyhow I plead guilty to everything, to the Judge,
not the DA. The judge then reviews my case and determines what he thinks
is fair. Santa Cruz Dist. Judge Thomas Black decided that 10 years was
fair.
Off to D.V.I. Tracy, better know as "Gladiator school." This
particular plac got this name because they sent all youthful, violent,
gangmembers there and trust me it was a bloodbath at times, and it was
my home for a very long time. Lucky for white men in prison we don't
have to deal with the gangbanging very often, but nevertheless both
lots of hispanics and young black males were losing their lives. This
is no bulls---, any ex con can tell you about D.V.I. My whole outlook
was, "I wanted to be a big time drug dealer and I was. I got caught
and it was time to pay."
Why all this cry baby s--- about me that happened about 10 years ago?
Plain and simple.
Mike Albo recently wrote a story about how I introduced narcotics to
an actress by the name of Leanna Heart. He continued to write that I
got the little actress hooked on cocaine and apparently the young lady
has or had a bad problem with it. The truth folks I had nothing to do
with getting Leanna on drugs. I'm the last person who wants anything
to do with cocaine. The sad thing is, Mike Albo knows about my prison
conviction. He found out when he called the Beverly Hills police department
in fear of his life, when I apparently left her a scary message. But
the point is he knows I'm a convicted felon for cocaine yet he uses
me in a article based on lies, lies that can get me in legal trouble,
all so Mike Albo can satisfy his hatred of the adult industry.As far
as I'm concerned, Mike can print all personal attacks on me as
he wants, like, the calling me gay and that all my prison homies had
sex with me and that I'm the worst thing that could happen to Raylene...
That stuff, I guess makes for good readership, but please pin drug related
stuff on somebody else
Birth of a Porn Star
Director James DiGiorgio
writes: "Hey Luke: You missed it buddy! It's been quite a while
since I've got really excited about a new girl in the biz. But the one
I shot last night....forget about it! Her name's Molly and she's just
18 years young. Talk about innocence and lust all rolled into one suh-weet
package! She's reminiscent of Katie Gold the day Katie came into the
biz with Shay Sweet. In fact, I think that might of been the last time
I got this excited about new talent (Katie and Shay that is--who I believe--were
shot by me first in a never released G/G...but that's another story).
Anyway, picture Katie the day she came in, but with natural C-cups!
And talk about virgin talent...it was her first scene ever AND, she
says, only the second man shes ever been with! Those honors went to
Pat Myne, who I am now supremely jealous of. Back to the second-guy-ever
thing: I thought that was hype...but after shooting her, I believe her.
But man...the girl's a natural! Anyway, she had this Fox Files crew
following her. They spent the last two days with her for a Fox Files
documentary on the birth of a porn star, that will air, I believe, in
June. The Fox Files crew were there for the shoot,
and I have to tell you, I think they got a whole different perspective
than the one given them for that anti-porn segment you participated
in. I immediately booked Molly for an "R" rated pretty-girl
shoot I'm directing tomorrow (for New Vision), and for another shoot
in a week and half for a new series I'm producing/directing for my company
(Blue Light), in association with Gigi Appleton's Avalon Entertainment.
Anyway, to all you porn hounds out there. Get ready for Molly....she's
every girl who ever lived next door who made you lie awake nights in
a hot sweat, with hard dick! Molly is managed by Sandy and Junior of
Korrupt Industries."
Kendra Jade has been released from her contract with John Bone's Cream Entertainment. Zoe remains with John. "You make it sound like I was fired," Kendra writes. "I was not. I asked to be let go, so John released me."
By Marc Simms, April
1, 1999
Marc - Where were you originally from and what made you decide to go
into porn?
Kendra - I grew up in a small town in MA and felt driven to enter the
industry after my boyfriend broke up with me. I also had seen Jasmine
St. Claire's World's Biggest Gang Bang tape and thought to myself, "I
can do this!" and I did.
Marc - And did you like it?
Kendra - It was something I'll never forget, but I am glad I did it.
Houston holds the crown now. She is a great person and I have no desire
to compete for that notoriety again.
Marc - So then how did you make your connection with Director John T.
Bone?
Kendra - Through Jerry Springer.
Marc - Speaking of Jerry Springer, I have been requested to ask how
do you feel about setting up Jerry Springer?
Kendra - Jerry Springer got what he deserved. In hindsight if things
could have been different I don't think I would have let the tabloids
pressure me like they did to catch Jerry Springer on videotape, but
I did it and I have no regrets for being where I am today.
Marc - How did you come up with your stage name?
Kendra - I was born with the name, but dropped my last name for the
industry.
Marc - Who is your favorite guy and girl to work with?
Kendra - I adore Brandon Iron. He is totally professional. Always prepared,
he is a complete gentlemen off camera, but when it is time to shoot,
he changes and we have a great chemistry working together on screen.
I haven't worked with a woman on screen yet I'm searching for the ideal
female partner in my next project.
Marc - Are you looking
for experienced talent or new talent?
Kendra - I'm open to both. I want to do my first girl with girl scene
in "Too Hot For Porn 3", but I want to make sure whoever it
is that she is professional and we work well together.
Marc - How do you feel about the fans?
Kendra - I love my fans and I'm a pretty tough woman when I have to
be so most of the time I can handle a difficult fan, but at the same
time I have had my awkward experiences with fans. For instance, one
came to me in a restaurant when I was having dinner with my mother.
Marc - So your family knows about what you do?
Kendra - Yes they do. My mother is here now actually. They don't know
the full extent of my career, but they accept my decision and love me.
Marc - Is there anyone who is not in the business that you would like
to work with?
Kendra: I love Marilyn Manson.
Marc - Do you consider yourself Heterosexual or Bisexual?
Kendra - I think I am somewhere in between. In my personal life I have
had experiences with women, but I don't know enough about myself if
I like women sexually on a regular basis. It depends.
Marc - What are your interests outside of porn?
Kendra - I just got a computer and my free web site will be up in a
few weeks. I love America On Line and spend a lot of hours surfing the
internet. I also love to go to rock concerts.
Marc - Are you single?
Kendra - I am in a few different relationships at this time.
Marc - Do they know that?
Kendra - Yes.
Marc - Is there anything you won't do on or off camera?
Kendra - I don't use drugs and don't drink and prefer to stay away from
people who take recreational drugs.
Marc - What is the kinkiest thing you have ever done on or off screen?
Kendra - I realize this may sound like no big deal, but in "Too
Hot For Porn 2" I did my first Double Penetration
Marc - Did you like it?
Kendra - It was different, but I didn't hate it.
Marc - Do you enjoy giving or getting head?
Kendra - I prefer to give head and finding out what a guy likes. However,
I'd rather f--- than have someone go down on me. I just get off more
that way.
Marc - Do you like facials?
Kendra - Yes I do. I don't see anything wrong with it and do it more
on screen than in my personal life, but I do enjoy doing it.
Marc What is your favorite sexual position?
Kendra - Doggie Style.
Marc - Do you support mandatory blood tests for performers?
Kendra - Yes. I get tested every month and carry my papers, including
my back papers and expect the same from those I work with because I
prefer to be careful than sorry.
Marc - What is your philosophy on the Adult Film Industry?
Kendra - I love the business and think it could be even better if people
are more professional about their roles in the business. I mean, we
as girls are sucking dick for a living, but if we banded together more
we could empower ourselves and gain better respect not only from our
peers, but from the public as well. It can be terrible sometimes because
some girls will stab you in the back just to take your job. This type
of behavior adds to the common misconception that we all are from broken
homes. That is not the case. We are all level headed people living out
our wildest fantasies and having a blast.
Marc - How do you feel about mainstream Hollywood and Pornography? Do
you think they are growing closer?
Kendra - Yes. I have appeared in the WWF Royal Rumble and did a commercial
with Conan for the WCW. I love going on Howard Stern's radio show and
I love Howard Stern
Marc - What is the story about your involvement with Gange from the
Howard Stern Show?
Kendra - That is one of those things I'd rather not think about.
Marc - What do you think is the worst job in porn?
Kendra - The PA could be bad especially when you have to clean up some
other guy's mess. However, the cameraman's job isn't always much better.
For instance, sometimes when a guy explodes some of his cum ends up
hitting the cameraman in the face too.
Marc - Did you see Boogie Nights?
Kendra - I did, but fell asleep during the first twenty minutes so I
have nothing to say about it.
Marc - Are you submissive or dominant?
Kendra - Both. It depends on the situation.
Marc - Do you have problems having an orgasm on screen?
Kendra - No. Fortunately I have a great time on camera as well as off.
Marc - What advice would you give to new guys or girls entering the
business?
Kendra - Be careful who you keep company with and make sure your partners
have their papers. When I think about the bright young talent who have
had their lives terribly altered because of AIDS I think more than ever
it is important to be tested and be sure whoever your with is tested
too.
Marc - You mentioned your free web site earlier, do you have a fan club?
Kendra - I love my fan mail and answer all my letters. My fan club is
free. Here is the address: 11300 Heartland Street, North Hollywood,
CA 91605.
Marc - Before the readers get upset with me, may I ask what your measurements
are?
Kendra - 34D-26-36.
Marc - Have you had any enhancements?
Kendra - I was a B cup, but with everyone in the business walking around
with huge breasts I felt it was necessary and am happy with them.
Marc - What do you think of John T. Bone?
Kendra - We've got a love/hate relationship. He is very smart and can lose his temper, but he is big teddy bear to me. I love him.
Chloe Vevrier Goes All The Way
According to the new
July 1999 issue of Voluptuous magazine, all-natural,
big-busted, German model Chloe Vevrier who has previously only done
solo and girl-girl will finally go all the way in a threesome with a
guy and a Russian girl named Kathy. Outtakes will be available in the
August 1999 issue of VOLUPTUOUS' sister magazine SCORE which is available
June 1. Info on how to order the video will be available in the August
1999 SCORE. (RAME)
SNeece1234@aol.com writes:
Is analingus inherently
undignified? Are there dignified and undignified ways to perform this
act? Let me know. You [Luke] then state that neither Judaism/Christianity/Islam
would accept them as believers because of their profession. Considering
some of the horrendous monsters throughout history that have been glorified
by their respective religions I find this unlikely, nay, laughable.The
most loathsome porner is insignificantly atrocious next to these people.Were
Mary Magdalene living today mightn't she be a porn star? I envision
her as a cross betweenAnnette Haven,Veronica Hart and Kay Parker. In
fact, some of the acts mentioned in the bible COULD NOT be
shown in today's porn.What a pity! You certainly answered my question
when you confirmed Mila's orthodox education.How many times did she
hear the male orthodox prayer of thanks for not being created a woman?
Enough to injure her sense of humanity I would imagine.
Now, my critique of
"Acid Sex". It is the first Robert Black vid I have seen.
He is very arty. He, or his cameraman, is also excellent. For someone
whose appeal is supposed to be mainly to those of subhuman intellect,
his vignettes are surprisingly complex. Is he a misogynist? Beyond question.
He seems to be pushed and pulled in different directions. Is Jasmin
St.Claire a Christ figure? Or is she merely a woman impersonating Christ?
Is her spitting on the crucifix before licking it an act of contempt
or is it merely a currently standard form of lubrication? One might
even call it an act of adoration considering her expression when sucking
it. She rubs the crucifix against her crotch but does not insert it.Why?
Considering the craze of gaped female assholes I found it ironic that
the only assholes gaped in this vid belonged to men! Tom Byron has a
huge gape & the others aint too shabby either. Plenty of women are
sodomized but no gapes. Ol Tom may give Mila a run for the money. He
used to do gay porn [Luke - I do not think so] and who knows what he
does offset! Gerbils? Good to know that Rob appreciates male assholes.
Jasmin's working has improved but I still caught her looking at the
camera for direction several times. Her sounds of ecstacy are more convincing
now but the most ecstatic noises occur when you cannot see her face,
a sure sign of a soundtrack? I noticed she flinched in the second vignette
when the guy came. Why? None got on her. Was her spitting on Robert
Black's gravestone before licking it an act of contempt or adoration?
Love or hate? Was her pierced hands and her convincing expression of
pain Black's way of saying yes, this was a sinful blasphemous act and
now
she is being punished? Why not the priest and the nun as well? Double
standard. And yet she made no resistance and seemed to accept it, in
fact she looked almost entranced. Notice also she and Byron exchanged
passionate kisses early on, something she claims to despise. Also, she
had sexual contact with a woman, something she swore she would never
do. It looked like Lizzie Borden pulled a reluctant St.Claire to her
for some heavy face toungueing and she allowed herself to be touched
and licked sexually. Is she losing her hostility towards women? The
scenes where St.Claire was absent were exhuberant and lusty and very
good and Blacks misogyny was thankfully absent.The camera work was excellent,
mostly full body shot where both face and genitals could be seen. Action
and reaction. Is Black's opening scene primarily to engender shock &
outrage.? Probably, but I think both he and St.Claire were trying to
exorcise some dark demons as well. The pierced hands reeked of subconscious
religious guilt. There was more analingus than I have seen this side
of a Gay Bathhouse but as lusty as it was they still don't rim with
the insane fury of a horny Gay. Was it more blasphemous than the Gay
Classic LOADSTAR? Hard to say. The vignette in question was soundless
in b&w and was more art than porn. The scene was a priest walking
thru a fog in a dream where he comes upon Christ
on the cross in full drag. Recognizing the muscular bodybuilder he lusted
for
that day he turned and ran and Christ jumped off the cross to pursue
him. The priest was caught by two monks and bent over a table for Christ
to sodomize. I am fairly sure it was simulated but I could be wrong.The
priest was my roommate at the time and Christ was Ken Sprague who owned
THE Golds gym at the time. A number of guys who would become famous
bodybuilders appeared in other scenes and in fact Arnold Schwarzenegger
appeared in a non sex scene that was taken from one of his Mr. Olympia
wins. It was rumored that years later he tried to buy all of the copies
he could find.For whatever reason it is not currently available commercially.
I will pay big bucks to anybody that will dupe a copy for me.
All copies are in the hands of private collectors.
Jodi replies: "That may not have been the best idea in the world to make that movie. I'm very new to this industry and what little contempt I feel for it is growing by the minute when I read of complete and total disrespect to religious symbols. The last thing I want to see is god in the bedroom. I guessafter you lose a gang bang title there's nowhere to go but hell anyway."
Porn Star Trading Saturday Night
Director James DiGiorgio shot Kendra Jade Saturday in a non-explicit pretty-girl production.
<DiGIorgio> i dint almost kill you [kendra]..all we did was drop a 4/8 sheet of plexiglass on your head, shatter glass all around you...and arc about 30,000 volts of electricity around you
<QueenOfAllPornSluts [Kendra]> hehehe EXACTLY :)
<unirrt> haha
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> but was i worth it,jimmy ?
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> :)
<DiGIorgio> oh..and almost blind you with dust...and made you suck a bunch of neon gas into your lungs
<l-keford> Jimmyd, it's just a f---ing porno, what r u doing?
<DiGIorgio> luke....she said the only thing that woulda made the shoot better is if you were there so she coulda bestowed some special attention on you
<DiGIorgio> porn dint f--- over jenna...jenna's a big girl
<Diablo1504> Jenna is lame
<VideoEd> Jimmy: what would you NOT do for $30,000 a week?
<DiGIorgio> uhmmmm....well.....
<VideoEd> can you think of anything?
<VideoEd> hehe
<DiGIorgio> s---..i dunno..im pretty much a whore
<VideoEd> think hard jimmy...hehe
<VideoEd> i think everyone would be a whore for 30K a week :)
<VideoEd> jimmy: she cancelled atlanta twice already
<Diablo1504> hey luke if its any news to you Nikki Dial's new [Vivid] movie isnt going to be just g/g like you said on your site awhile back, she said she did b/g in it
<VideoEd> Diablo she probably did Eric Price, so that would quality as both a b/g or a g/g :)
<Diablo1504> Ed she didnt know the guys name
<VideoEd> damn, its good to see that Nikki is so picky these days
<DotCom-> sex with a complete stranger
<VideoEd> good to see Nikki is knowing her role as a whore :)
<DotCom-> ,aybe it was marc wallice in desguise
<DiGIorgio> lemme tell you guys sumthin..forget anything that's been written or said about kendra...she's about the most pleasurable person i've EVER had on a set and workd with...professional....great attitude...takes near death situation without any bitching... gives her all with a smile...and fills the lens with beauty and sex appeal
<DotCom-> jimmyD buttering that roll for later consumption
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> pst- just so u know, i got even
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> my dog terrorized the place
<VideoEd> jimmy check this out: quote from a kendra interview:
<DiGIorgio> Luke: if you ever write an unkind word about kendra i'm going to have to kill you.
<VideoEd> Kendra - I don't use drugs and don't drink and prefer to
<VideoEd> stay away from people who take recreational drugs.
<BobBlec> Ed: helluva quote there
<VideoEd> thats why you and kendra clicked jimmy
<VideoEd> because you are both so anti drug
<VideoEd> *hehe*
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> I really truly am
<DiGIorgio> yeah..me too
<VideoEd> i believe you
<VideoEd> jimmy is heading up the antidrug campaign
<DiGIorgio> yep
<VideoEd> he is trying to get all drugs removed from pornshoots
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> i wouldnt know
<DiGIorgio> no drugs on my shoots
<VideoEd> i support you jim
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> i cant comment on stuff i have no clue about
<Gerald> taking drugs off the street a gram and an 1/8th at a time
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> there wasnt today
<DiGIorgio> did you see any evidence of drugs on my shoot today kendra?
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> to the best of my knowledge
<DiGIorgio> were you fed today kendra?
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> YES
<DiGIorgio> were you treated respectfully?
<DotCom-> that's a yes
<Whack_Attack> please....Im trying to do a line here
<Whack_Attack> you arent making this easy
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> YES
<DiGIorgio> i dint even make hardly any john bone jokes, right?
<VideoEd> jimmy is really proud of the way he treated kendra today....
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> LO
<DotCom-> damn, that roll is ooozing butter
<l-keford> did the check bounce, kendra?
<DiGIorgio> she plays the camera like mozart played the piano
<DiGIorgio> K...did i spend more time with the camera looking at your face and eyes than anywhere else?
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> yes...i was shocked
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> he zoomed in on my eyes
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> my beautiful precious eyes.
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> lol
<DiGIorgio> yep....cuz when your up close looking in them...it's like seeing both heaven and hell all at once...and you're drawn irresistably to both
<DiGIorgio> yu got killer eyes K
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> i looked like the devil
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> cuz the neon made me red
<DiGIorgio> yu looked both angelic and satanic at the same time
<Diablo1504> hehe
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> dot---would that be more butter,or is he adding jam,too?
<DotCom-> oh brother
<DiGIorgio> i thought that was sexy in the extreme
<Diablo1504> Jimmy is smooth
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> he actually did not try once to "score"
<QueenOfAllPornSluts> he was very gentlemanly
<DiGIorgio> why do you spose mike albo writes all the s--- he writes? do you think hez like you in that he writes about an industry that, in fact, he loathes?
<Gerald> i think he's a closet homo
<Gerald> most gay bashers are......
<l-keford> i think mike is like howard stern, or sam kinison, or other funny comics who dare to speak what many of us think.
<Gerald> so if i call everyone cunts and fags that's comedy to you luke?
<l-keford> yes, i think hevg is humor on par with stern, kinison
<l-keford> It is all dangerous and destructive and soul=destroying, but funny and true to life.
<DiGIorgio> i dont know. im having trouble subscribing to that point of view, luke
<l-keford> HEVG treats porn on its own level.
<l-keford> Porn reduces people to cunts, and reduces civility.
<Gerald> no that's your viewpoint luke
<DiGIorgio> and what level is porn's "own level?"
<DiGIorgio> so...i'm a cunt and have no civility?
<l-keford> Porn is pure paganism, naturalism, human interaction stripped of civility
<Gerald> spoken like a true rabbi
<DiGIorgio> why is it stripped of civility? i agree with the pagan part...i consider myself a pagan
<l-keford> Well, in civil discourse, you remain clothed and true to norms of civilization that have evolved over centuries. Sex has long been considered by civilizations to be private and sacred.
<Greg_Zeboray> Luke, why do you hate porn so much, yet you socialize with the biz? I don't get it.
<WarmProp> where is the dionysian Luke F-rd then, Luke? Your so apollonian as a journo :))))
<DiGIorgio> i dont think thats exaclty true luke...that morality is a judeo-christian thing
<CausingTrouble> hey jimmy maybe you should change your nick to Knuckles_dragging_on_the_floor.....ehhehehehehh
<BobBlec> Luke: norms of civilization are arbitrary, though
<l-keford> I don't hate porn anymore than I hate Sam Kinison or cocaine. I think all three are dangerous.
<Diablo1504> luke if you hate the biz why you so involved in it?
<Gerald> money and attention would be my guess
<WarmProp> Dionysian = wild, animal human side Apollonian = opposite of that
<Diablo1504> have you ever dated a porn girl luke?
<DiGIorgio> so luke..if i made flicks about mass-murderers and rapists and child abusers, but without sex...would i be of higher moral standing in your eyes?
<l-keford> thanks, I am involved with many things that are dangerous. Driving is dangerous. That things are dangerous and morally troublesome does not mean that I do not touch them.
<l-keford> No Jim, I find Hollywood more morally troubling than porn.
<Gerald> hey luke news flash for you bankers,lawyers,secretaries, ect. do coke,drugs and self destruct too
<l-keford> Look, I have conservative values. I think the world would be a better place if TV and Hollywood disappeared.
<DiGIorgio> see luke..i dont know..portraying people in the act of ultimate pleasure...non-violently..i have a problem seeing that as a problem
<Mastrick> Back when I went to college X rated tapes weren't around, but neither were lethal venereal diseases
<Greg_Zeboray> No Luke, the world would be a better place if people traeted others with respect.
<l-keford> How many people here are actively raising children? In your home?
<l-keford> My point is that most of us who know children, would want to keep them clear of porno, and most of us would not want our children in front of hte porno camera.
<BobBlec> religion would be ok if it was about spirituality instead of controlling the masses
<WarmProp> porn and religion can co-exist perfectly well IHMO
<Gerald> prostitution isn't the oldest profession,religion is
<WhackOutSmoking> right on Bob
<Greg_Zeboray> Bob, you are right on!!!!! as a strong christian that is how I feel
<DiGIorgio> its about neither bob..its about money..which yes, then controls the masses
<WhackOutSmoking> thats why Buddism is proably the best out there
<Mastrick> Yeah, if it were about interpersonal relationships with Higher Powers instead of social big-money institutions
<l-keford> I want to come out 100% and passionately for controlling the masses. I want the masses controlled. I don't trust people.
<Gerald> people worried about appeasing a entity that doesn't exsist instead of helping out people in need right here on earth
<DiGIorgio> dont even get me started on churches...i had a clien recently..a big..well to do church
<DiGIorgio> we were cutting their sunday television broadcasts on FOX
<BobBlec> Luke: so just because *you* don't trust people, you're in favor of rampant totalitarianism?
<Greg_Zeboray> Luke, that is exactly what our government thinks, and that scares me
<DiGIorgio> biggest f---ing scumbags i've ever met
<BobBlec> Jimmy: not surprising
<Gerald> luke don't trust no one and nobody trusts luke
<DiGIorgio> and now it looks like i might have to risk getting popped to collect the nearly fifteen grand these skeevs owe me
<Gerald> do you not see the irony luke?
<DiGIorgio> luke would let half the women in porn suck his dick if they offered.
<l-keford> I am in favor of rampant concern with ethics, ultimate meaning. I am in favor of people leading their lives in accordance with eternal values.
<DiGIorgio> more than i would...and i work in this biz
<WarmProp> i think you're afraid of flesh, luke
<Greg_Zeboray> more than me JimmD: I won't let a pron girl suck my dick
<Greg_Zeboray> never have, never will
<DiGIorgio> i dont s--- where i eat
<l-keford> JimmyD is right, i would date a porn girl and have sex with one.
<DiGIorgio> in five years in this biz...i went out with ONE porn girl
<Greg_Zeboray> In 7 years...I went out with no porn girl
<DiGIorgio> i dint say there's anyting wrong with it, whack...in my position..i just think that, generally, it would be bad business for me
<Diablo1504> have you ever dated a porn girl luke?
<l-keford> No, i've had sexual stuff with several.
<Greg_Zeboray> That is exactly how I feel JimmyD, and thats why I WON'T touch a porn girl
<WarmProp> diablo is trying to find out if luke has been betrayed by a porn girl and now tries to get back at the industry for it, right? :)
<l-keford> Never had a bad personal relationship with a porn girl.
<Greg_Zeboray> Luke, been over to see Rob lately?
<l-keford> no
<DiGIorgio> rob's fine...he called me on the set today...i think he was a lil drunk
<DiGIorgio> luke doesnt answer email...he just fills space in his site with it
<DiGIorgio> lukes site: never has so much been written...by so many others...other than luke
<DiGIorgio> lukes not held in too high esteem with rob these days
<Greg_Zeboray> Luke, how about Russ?
<l-keford> greg, i have not seen any porner for at least 5 weeks with one or two excepts
<Greg_Zeboray> Luke, why?
<l-keford> I'm not up to it, rather burned out on porno at moment.
<Greg_Zeboray> oh come on Luke.....friend to friend, whats the deal here? :)
<l-keford> Friend to friend, I am burned out on porno, and don't want to get close to it at moment.
<l-keford> At moment, I can't stand it.
<DiGIorgio> i dont thnk russ would give him an audience these days
<Greg_Zeboray> the business or the people involved
<CT-away> so that's why your hanging out here
<CT-away> hehehhe
<l-keford> Jimmy, why do u say that? Greg, the business. Many of the persons in it I like.
<Greg_Zeboray> But Luke, don't you think the people you don't like are the reasons you don't like the business?
<DiGIorgio> i dunno luke..i just dont think your in the best of stead there these days
<l-keford> No Greg, sincerely, I find the business at times just really truly deeply upsets me.
<Greg_Zeboray> The product or the "business"?
<l-keford> The product, the act of filming sex, grates on me at times. I am very sensitive.
<Greg_Zeboray> Bye Uni
<DiGIorgio> it grates on me too..but probly for different reasons
<Greg_Zeboray> oh, okay Luke.....but I don't think you should blame those who do it....because the majority of people don't feel the way you do.
<Greg_Zeboray> ....if you don't feel comfortable with porn, you (for your own good) should stay away from the business.
<DiGIorgio> i thnk luke should write about the california cheese industry
<WarmProp> what i find interesting about luke, the online journalist one, is that you put quite a bit of effort into what you're doing, yet there's no apparent, reasonable, motive for it. it's very interesting.
*** Unloved is now known as KendraJade
<DiGIorgio> i dont know how you can take that handle kendra when i sooooo adore you
<l-keford> Greg, I see no need to feel comfort with my work or subject.
<DiGIorgio> i take great comfort in your work luke
<Greg_Zeboray> Luke, I just think you need to remove the emotional attachment to your "subject"
<DiGIorgio> i think about two moreyears of therapy and he'll be able to do that greg
<l-keford> I could've chosen to specialize in the drug trade, or the holocaust or pro football. I chose porno. It's fine. I'm very open and honest about how I feel about my subject. I do my job because I get a lot of meaningful feedback, and decent pay.
<DiGIorgio> i have ONE f---ING CIG LEFT!
<Greg_Zeboray> My therapy is my yard work and cage cleaning on saturdays....Luke, you're welcome to join in on the fun!
<DiGIorgio> the holocaust..that'd be original
<DiGIorgio> no one writing about that
<DiGIorgio> or football
<l-keford> I don't pretend to be a dispassionate journalist. I deliberately subvert many of the principles of good journalism.
<Greg_Zeboray> But Luke, you shouldn't hate the biz....you should simply disagree with what it stands for
<DiGIorgio> there a fine line between hate and love
<l-keford> There is no reason I should not hate what I am writing about...I don't need to feel any particular emotion to validate my subject choice.
<DiGIorgio> i think luke straddles that line....like ass floss
<anabolicfan> damn! its like a therapy session in here today!
<l-keford> I am not screwed up because I write about porno, I write about porno because I am screwed up.
<l-keford> Therapy costs me $1000 a month.
<anabolicfan> cant we just talk about who is screwing who for a bit??
<DiGIorgio> i used to go to therapy....till i figured out that if i split the syllable in 'therapist' it became 'the rapist'
<Greg_Zeboray> Luke stop it!!!!!
<DiGIorgio> well...i made her nipples hard simply with my intense charisma...when i got up on the ladder and she rested her head in my groin....did i make your nipples hard at any time?
<Greg_Zeboray> Luke, why don't you put your energy into trying to fix the wrongs you see in porn?
<l-keford> Greg, I do.
<Greg_Zeboray> how Luke?
<DiGIorgio> luke..do i make your nipples hard???
<DanCom> this is getting ugly
<Saulot666> why dan?
<DiGIorgio> its been ugly all along...you just havent noticed
<l-keford> lol
<Saulot666> its been ugly since i came in tonite
<Greg_Zeboray> Luke, I'm serious: why not make a constructive effort at improving the environment we work in?
<l-keford> Greg, I am serious. I believe i am.
<DiGIorgio> lukes as serious as cancer
<l-keford> I am turning a light on the cochroaches. I just do it with a bizarre sense of humor.
Luke's Mom Writes to Luke's Sister
He [doctor] had talked
to Luke last week but at the time they didn't have the bloodwork back.
They are going to talk again. He said Luke said he feels somewhat better
(Luke had told me he didn't see much improvement). Which means, I think,
he is sick less. Probably doesn't mean he has more energy.
I have been reading a book by Jay Goldstein on CFS. Actually I didn't
get much read as I am reading other things. But Dr. F read it and liked
it better than an earlier book. Which harped on one single theme. Now,
the approach is much broader. Dr. G's practical experience with treating
CFS, he said, is very helpful.
He summarized the book. Dr. G used to use lot of different therapists,
massage, etc. Then he ended up doing the HMO approach which is managed
care, the name they give the insurance companies here that give the
basic medicine approach (you have to go to doctors they assign or choose
one and stick with them). PPOs are insurance companies that allow you
to go to a doctor of your choice. They are much more expensive.
The HMO approach is to use standard medical protocols and use bloodwork
as the standard of whether a person is well. Remedies are determined
by the pharmaceutical companies. When the HMOs came in, pharmaceuticals
became more and more expensive. Now HMOs are having trouble affording
the medications. The approach is, you look at basic bloodwork, say cholesterol,
and then you treat it with drugs. If the bloodwork comes back normal,
and the patient comes in and still feels sick, you give them antidepressants.
Sounds unbelievable, but that's what happens. As one of the nurse practitioners
who works for me says (she works for an HMO), the number of people on
antidepressants is staggering over here. Maybe 1 in 2. That's how treatment
is going here. There is no individualization and it just doesn't work,
except where the use of an antidepressant is appropriate and works.
So, anyhow, back to Dr. Goldstein's book, what he did, according to
Dr. F. is drop all the side therapies like massage, and use the HMO
method. Trying out different drugs (including antidepressants, but other
drugs too). He found out, though he doesn't understand it, that there
is a problem in the right side of the brain with CFS; too much blood
flow? I haven't read it all yet, so don't quote me. Drugs that inhibit
the blood flow seem to help. So Dr. G has a whole lot of drugs including
antidepressants that will work for different people for different lengths
of times. So if it stops working, you try something else. Dr. G tries
a number of them in the first consult, and,
Dr. F. says, he rechecks the brain blood flow (catscan? MRI? not sure
of the method to see if it is working).
Dr. F. said there is no real explanation in the book of what is really
happening except the observation of these brain changes in CFS. But,
Dr. F says, there is no way to test beyond the blood-brain barrier yet
anyhow. It's a black box. But the good thing about the book is, Dr.
G has found all these potential remedies and he has a lot of experience
in using them. Dr. F. says the weakness of the book is to think it's
all in the brain. But the two approaches, what Dr. F does which is more
systemic and what Dr. G. might be a good combination for Luke, and Dr.
F. is interested in Luke's pursuing this avenue.
This approach seems to fit in with what happened to Luke where he went
on Nardil and it worked, got him out of bed at least within a few number
of hours. I think Zoloft changed Luke's personality and made him bizarre
(i.e. began to bring what we see now to a head). Nardil may have not
reversed
that, but it did give him energy and enabled him to work and support
himself. Which to Luke is, of course, a major help. Luke seems most
interested in getting energy to be able to work more to support himself.
He seems more resistant to the idea that he needs help emotionally,
although he admits he's got problems. The social affects of his behavior,
the anger and alienation from people is undeniable. The sexual deviance,
he doesn't think is wrong or doesn't want to admit at this point.
I have not sat down and talked to Dr. F. about Luke and his behavior
from our point of view. He knows I think Luke is on the edge but he
doesn't know what that means. Luke presents himself very well to Dr.
F as he does to many professionals, and seems to like him. I might some
time print out the two different Lukes as represented on his website.
That may say more than words. After all, I am a conservative mother,
and many people would think what Luke is doing is OK.
Anyhow, I have suggested Luke go to see Dr. G; and offered to send him
his book, but he has not responded to that. I will send him a copy of
this. I am sure it irritates Luke for us to keep writing in this vein.
But it seems impossible to me both for Luke's sake, the family's sake
and, particularly,
our responsibility to society in general to sit back and just let it
happen. Even if he won't listen, I just can't not say anything. Partly
because when I see him I am tugged by the cords of love. Can't see him
just keep spiralling downhill and getting more and more enmeshed. If
we don't care,
who will? It doesn't seem to me that the Jewish community is big on
forgiveness, being much more interested in works.
Saint John replies:
Huh? I love reading Christians talking about Jewish beliefs.
I understand that this is your family and they are worried about you
because you are both doing things of which they don't approve and are
a person of whom they don't approve. But beneath this concept of "forgiveness"
is that they are judging you and finding you lacking. They may "forgive"
you but only in a context in which you either take their advice and
change or are considered by them to be defective. That's some forgiveness!
As that famous Jew said, judge not lest you be judged and do not point
out the speck in another person's eye when you have a plank in your
own.
Jews can be just as judgmental or forgiving as any "group"
of humans. But Judaism as a religion recognizes that people live in
glass houses and should be careful about throwing stones. Christians
are far more likely to take the un-Christian tack of judging the quality
of your soul - and then perhaps tacking forgiveness over that, like
a cheap tablecloth.
Luke's mom replies:
Who is this St. John? St. John's Wort? I think he's St. Luke myself.
You didn't even post my letter on your website till this morning, I'll
bet. Anyhow since you don't usually respond to my pleadings, if you
did write it yourself, I like this trend. It's informative.
Saint John replies: Huh? I love reading Christians talking about Jewish
beliefs.
[St. Jill: Well, I'm not totally ignorant about what Jews believe. And
I love hearing what Jews think about Christians. I got it all from DENNIS
PRAGER; my son gave me many, many tapes. Dennis said he got tired of
hearing love, love, love from Christians, whatever anyone did. You know
how they say that God could forgive Hitler and all that if Hitler repented.
It was Dennis I got it from. Is he not a regular Jew? Did I miss something?
You remember Dennis, don't you? He's the one who talks a lot about the
difference between gossip and slander that you kept telling me about
some years back and how I shouldn't do either. I stopped it and then
you started doing it for a living. Oi vey. Excuse if I don't spell it
right, but it's a new phrase to me.]
St John: I understand that this is your family and they are worried
about you because you are both doing things of which they don't approve
and are a person of whom they don't approve.
[St. Jill: It's what you are doing we don't like. You remember, love
the sinner hate the sin. Being a PK's son, you don't expect us to be
thrilled with what you are doing and be able to say as the porn stars
apparently can, my mother knows about it and doesn't mind at all, but
wants to be spared the details. Your father is trying to save sinners.
I am trying to save the hormonally challenged. You may be trying to
save porn stars, but is it for their sakes or do want to go out with
them?]
St. John: But beneath this concept of "forgiveness" is that
they are judging you and finding you lacking.
[St. Jill: Right, as St John is us, but that's fine, we all do it. Also,
what about that rabbi with the thick wad of records on you. Didn't he
judge you and find you lacking? Time comes when society at large and
family that care say this is unacceptable behavior and we don't approve
of it. It's
harmful to others. Kids can get on your website and see all angles and
niches of various porn stars without even the curbing of a membership
fee. Remember our mutual friend Susan the Jewish doctor. She says no
practicing Jew would approve of what you're doing.]
St. John: They may "forgive" you but only in a context in
which you either take their advice and change or are considered by them
to be defective. That's some forgiveness!
[St.Jill: I have not addressed the issue of personal forgiveness and
actually don't even think about that; just talked broadly about Christianity
versus Judaism. So this statement creates a statement about what our
beliefs are that has not been thought or expressed. Actually, it's God's
forgiveness that matters. It never actually occurred to me that you
might take our advice and change as a result of anything I said, Luke.
Well, there's a new thought. As to the word defective, dippy might be
better.]
St. John: As that famous Jew said, judge not lest you be judged and
do not point out the speck in another person's eye when you have a plank
in your own.
[St. Jill: I do love that Jew and I do like that statement. And remember
in context he was having a go at the Pharisees for a certain type of
nonloving judgmentalism. It's not talking about parents and children.
Do remember that other verse that says, You will know them by their
fruits. When you write to me that a porn star came over and and helped
you relax, clearly in a sexual way, do you really think I would be thrilled
and say, oh, that Luke, he's a dog, but you can't help admiring him?
I agree with the guy who thought you should fight the cheese industry.
What about managed care? Someone needs to take that on.]
St. John: Jews can be just as judgmental or forgiving as any "group"
of humans. But Judaism as a religion recognizes that people live in
glass houses and should be careful about throwing stones. Christians
are far more likely to take the un-Christian tack of judging the quality
of your soul - and then perhaps tacking forgiveness over that, like
a cheap tablecloth.
[St. Jill: I hope you realize that that statement about people living
in glass houses is not from the ancient Hebrew Scriptures but was coined
as an English proverb, first in Yiddish, by a London Jew. My father
knew him when he was a cabinet maker in the East End of London. It's
actually the same idea as the speck and plank thing. Really should be
people in glass houses shouldn't throw planks. As you know from my many
apologies over the years for having PMS and giving you an unfair hiding
every month, that I have admitted I have a few planks myself and do
not think I am better than you. I just have this strange desire to intervene
in some way so that you won't keep getting all these death threats and
law suits or some weird and strange venereal disease. We can't afford
a funeral right now. We think the Bible teaches that the soul = the
body in most places. So tell St. John we don't read souls or minds,
only your website, your book, your autobiography and your actions; and
they are a real mixture."
Porner writes to Luke:
I can see you overwhelmed by the sheer ineptitude of the world, coupled
with the incessant carnality of the flesh, which is very tiring in itself,
not to mention emotional abuse, all of which leads to biochemical disturbance.
Laugh all you want at being abused -- the compartmentalization still
takes its biochemical toll. And the amount of energy you spend trying
to fit an imperfect world into an absolute value system...
People suffer through life with their biochemistry out of whack. I know.
I took Prozac for the first time about a year ago and stopped walking
about totally enervated under a black sky on a sunny afternoon. Now
I function, well, I think, given that my life has been total tragedy
for years.
Luke, you can't "prove"
that Gene is "corrupt." You certainly haven't proved it to
me. I CAN prove that he is a poor editor and a bad journalist and a
misogynist and possibly a closeted homosexual, and that under his leadership
AVN has become a very unattractive proposition, but if all he is
doing is following his own editorial policy, and that policy is sanctioned
by his publisher, he's not "corrupt."
I don't know if Gene Ross is an employee or a partner or a shareholder
or what. I just know I'm sick of Max Hardcore & the Plastic Breasts.
I suggest that he be given his own magazine and allow AVN to serve the
needs of the entire adult video community, not just those who want to
damage women. That this is not about you wanting his job... I just want
to see his job to be done by an objective person instead of someone
who places his personal relationships over his responsibility as a journalist.
Luke: Porn is lucky to have me around, being so objective and all and placing nothing above my responsibility as a journalist.
Morality of Gossip
When I first came to Judaism, I took on the value that gossip was a sin. It was destructive and unethical. Then, from late 1995 onwards, I resumed my career as a journalist. Part of my job is to deal in gossip. I read Rabbi Joseph Telushkin's book on gossip (Words That Wound, Words That Heal) and found it initially impressive. Now I've developed a reputation as a professional gossip. That it is what I do for a living. I've now also revised my views on the morality of gossip. I now think of gossip as like any other activity, morally neutral. The morality of gossip depends entirely on its content and context. I now no longer think of gossip as overwhelmingly destructive.
I'm reading a book entitled "Good Gossip." It is one of many academic works over the past few years in praise of gossip, pointing out the good that gossip does, such as bonding, community, developing, enforcing and subverting norms, challenging power, overturning institutions. I no longer agree with the comment that idiots talk about people, and the wise about ideas. Why are ideas more important than people? Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. Context is king.
Ethel: "My experience with gossip was work-related. I took a college course on management of human resources. To my great shock, there was a section defining the grapevine as a legitimate communication source. It changed my whole POV concerning gossip. It's so rational too. So it's really important to accept gossip and then manage it personally so it doesn't effect one's own good judgement. One's personal observations should be primary when decision-making is needed."
Chrisdnld@aol.com writes Luke:
1. Have you revised
your choice of religion also?
2. Do you feel that you have a better handle on what is and what is
not ethical than the overwhelming body of rabbis who have lived over
the course
of the last 3,500 years?
3. Did you or did you not pledge to accept mainstream Rabbinic Law when
you agreed to accept an Orthodox Jewish conversion?
5. Do you feel ethically responsible to return/reject your Orthodox
conversion papers considering your willful and open rejection of basic
tenets
of Orthodox Judaic values today?
6. Why is it not clear that you have found yourself a values system
to match
behavior you engage in- rather than because it is truly ethical?
<<Context is king.>>
"Context is king" is a concept in textual criticism. Not religious
ethics.