Porn star Brooke Ashley is suing various pornographers, according to page two of the 2/22 Los Angeles Daily Journal (a newspaper that does for the LA law profession what Variety does for showbiz).
Ashley's attorneys filed Feb. 11 a sexual battery and negligence complaint in the Van Nuys branch of Los Angeles Superior Court. The case title is - Ashley vs. Hardcore Television et al, LC047878.
Brooke accuses porn star Marc Wallice (Goldberg) of altering medical test results to show that he was not infected with the virus, when, according to the complaint, Goldberg knew he was infected.
"She obviously feels incredibly betrayed by the industry, the production company and in particular, him, for basically intentionally infecting her," Ashley's Brentwood attorney Stephen D. Howard told the Daily Journal.
In the 36 page complaint, Ashley also names Midnight/Erotic Angel (Kevin Beech's company), Gourmet Video (at whose studio the The World's Biggest Anal Gangbang took place in late January, which probably gave Ashley the HIV virus), and people identified as producers, employers, agents, partners, and independent contractors involved in the filming.
Luke spoke to Kevin Beech, owner of Midnight/Erotic Angel, Tuesday at 10 AM.
Luke: "Are you losing any sleep over this?"
Beech: "f--- Bro. I got a thing from a lawyer wanting my workman's compensation number. I called up laughing. 'I don't give my workman's comp number to any law firm. Who the f--- are you?' He said, 'we could play hardball and get it anyways.'
"The girl was cool. She said that if it goes to Workman's comp, they're going to call us and we'll say, 'she [Brooke Ashley] doesn't work for us.' Then they'll [workman's comp] will fight that law firm... We bought that movie [World's Biggest Anal Gangbang] from that HCTV company [Dan Beck and Robert DuPree]. I wish that I didn't buy that f---ing movie.
"She [Ashley] ain't going to get nothing out of me. She's swimming up a stream. Workman's Comp is going to turn her down. They're going to go after HCTV but I don't think it is still around. She'll have to go after them [Beck and DuPree] personally.
"Dan Beck said Elegant Angel wanted to buy that movie [Gangbang]. He's a f---ing asshole. I'd love to get my hands on that guy. He ended up getting us for a few thousand. Some of the movies he shot for us, he sold the internet [rights], which he had no right to.
"Our contract girls now include Joy, Farrah, Angelica Sinn. Catalina L'Amour is now out of the biz. We're doing a lot with Danielle Rogers. She just had her boobs redone and she looks great. She's been in the last five movies we shot for Playboy. We might even do a line with her. She needs some help. She's gone through some tough times.
"Farrah has cleaned up [from drug addiction]. She looks f---ing awesome. I was thinking about f---ing her again. [Kevin laughs.] Ever since she went to Florida, got cleaned up, and moved back here... She and Christain are thinking about moving here. They're back at her mom's house right now... But as long as she can stay away from the f---ing drugs, she looks awesome. She looks like the girl I used to f---.
"We've got Mad Max shooting for us in Las Vegas. He just got out of prison. He used to be in the biz years ago. I hardly remembered him but he remembered me. He called me from prison. He set the deal up in prison when we started doing those bondage moies with Catalina. We kicked ass with those. And then he got out of Prison. He has to be in Vegas for six months until his probation is up. He just shot Mila and a bunch of people. He's a rapper, man. He's a good salesman."
Kevin Beech and Anna Malle made a deal this week for Kevin to distribute her line Anna Malle's Wildlife. "Anna Malle wants to go on the road fulltime but she wants us to keep her name out there full time and put her on the box."
Free Speech Coalition Insurance Coordinator Greg Zeboray writes: "The Brooke Ashley suit is going to be very interesting, and I believe will shake this industry's way of doing things. Will it succeed? I, don't know, but I do know an attorney familiar with hers, and he believes she has good counsel.
"I've been reminding all the producers / manufactures that, according to my interpretation of the law, all talent must be paid on W-4 payroll and be covered under workers compensation benefits. As far as I'm concerned, when you tell a person to be at the shoot at a particular time, provide the costumes and make up, and direct them as to what they are to do, they are an employee. When will people get it? Why don't they look at the directors / producers whose financial life is upside down because the state of California has liens against them for not withholding payroll taxes?
"While I have not seen her complaint, I am quite confident that had she been covered by work comp, it would be considerably different. Maybe this is a good time for everyone to (directly and personally) contact the state of California EDD and ask for a clarification on employee or contractor status."
A source: "Anyone can go down to the superior court to find out who said what in a complaint/who said what in an answer. This lawsuit is actually interesting for several reasons. Ashley's attorneys are probably going after all the pockets (deep and perhaps not so deep) that they can identify. It would be interesting to see who is liable if an actor/actress gets AIDS from this sort of work. Depending upon who winds up being liable, it would be interesting to see which video makers change their behavior in light of the lawsuit. Will Anabolic style videos become too risky to make?
"If this happens again, I suspect that Ashley's attorneys will be out there trying to sign up clients--kind of like ambulence chasing- -certainly just as macabre. "It would also be interesting to know who argues "assumption of the risk" (i.e. that Ashley assumed the risk). It would also be interesting to see what kind of dirt they dig up on Ashley's past. Watching a bunch of lawyers trying to play hardball with this case would truly be a sight to behold. From a distance. From a far distance."
Jim Gunn: "I'm glad that I had nothing to do with any of this! This has got to have an effect on the biz, no doubt negative. As far as digging up dirt on her past- they'd need a dump truck to get all the names of all the tricks that this hooker had sex off camera with. Probably half the talent, cameramen, grips, gaffers, caterers, salesmen and company owners in the biz. That's their best defense."
Actress Florence Henderson, who starred as the wholesome mom on TV's ''The Brady Bunch,'' is suing a company that sells T-shirts using her picture with the words ''Porn Queen'' underneath, saying the label was not true and not nice.
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Good sources tell Luke that the AVN - IA 2000 deal is completed. AVN publisher Paul Fishbein is heading off for a week long vacation, not something he'd do if the deal had not been tied up.
On Monday afternoon, webmaster Joe Elkind told Luke that AVN's deal to take over IA 2000 (web site, trade show and magazine) had fallen through. Elkind's suit against Steve Hearn, who currently owns IA 2000 held up the deal for weeks. AVN and Elkind have been on the verge of settling, but Elkind's enemy Hearn did not seem to want that.
Pope Paul "the Pious" Fishbein, who believes that every word of the First Amendment was dictated by God to Moses at Mount Sinai 3200 years ago, was shocked, shocked that Luke published Elkind's comments before waiting to get comment from AVN.
Joe Elkind says that Steve raised the price on AVN every week as the next internet convention (scheduled for Miami later this year) approached. Elkind has offered to drop his suit against Hearn to facilitate AVN's takeover.
"Steve Hearn got too big for his britches," says Elkind. "He was raising the price on AVN every week, as the show was getting bigger. Steve does not want to get out now, but we [porn webmasters] don't want him running the show [IA 2000] because he doesn't take care of the vendors. I wouldn't mind AVN running the show because that is what they do.
"I don't have a problem with AVN coming in there so long as they understand that we are the people in the internet business, not them. We don't try to do their thing in the video business... I will voluntarily dismiss the lawsuit and trust AVN to do business on a handshake. But Hearn can't know... Their attorney [AVN] is a real attorney. He doesn't want to give in now. But I am going to trust them and see what they will do [what AVN will give Joe Elkind in exchange for dropping his suit against Steve Hearn, thus allowing AVN to take over IA 2000 - the internet show, magazine and web site].
"AVN took the deal off the table a week ago. They backed out and don't want to follow through with it now. So they're either going to sell it on the side [Hearn to AVN] or there is going to be a second [internet trade] show called Web Expo that will compete directly with them [IA 2000]."
Paul Fishbein writes: "Luke-After my last e-mail, I checked your site. How could you put all that up before asking me anything? You breeched what I thought was an understanding that you were going to attempt to get the story correct. I don't care what you say about AVN as long as you ask us for comment, but not after the fact.
"It is all wrong. In your zeal to scoop us and everyone else, you f---ed up. The deal has been done. We own the show 100%. But we wanted to tell the world in our own way. I promised you that you would have it but you had to jump the gun. You're not practicing "journalism." I thought you were doing a good job improving your skills, but I can see that you're too hot for the story, rather than attempting to get it correct. You got it all wrong.
"I think I'm going to have to put Gene [Ross] full time on the internet and take him off AVN. If instant journalism is the key to the future, then we're going to have to do the same thing. So now we'll have all the stories, but we'll get them right. No more of this bulls--- with guessing and groping for fragments of stories. There's a right way to do this.
"On the TEN story, you have a fraction of it. You're right, we spent money with a libel attorney making sure that we had it correct. That's the right way to do it. You're proud of yourself (gloating that you scooped us), so watch out. We'll scoop you all day long.
"I was going to hire you, but for financial reasons, couldn't make it happen. But it's better this way. Now people will come to AVN and you and get two sides of the story: facts from us and in your case, facts whenever you have time to get some.
"You pissed me off because all you had to do was ask me questions in response to Joe Elkind before running the story. If I said "no comment," you'd have your story. But I would have spoken to you and you would have had both sides. And eventually you would have had the whole inside story. Instead, you really have egg on your face. I hope you print this in full."
Mike South writes to Luke: "So Paul is pissed at you for not contacting him to get the straight story huh? Same as Paul didn't contact me before booting Mike South's Travels 2 from the nominations for best pro-am video? After it had been announced...I get to CES thinking I am nomed and some schmuck tells me I am not and lo and behold I ask Gene Ross for a nom list and I aint on it anymore...That's kinda low.
"Paul has always had my number and has always treated me fairly when I called him. So that kinda stung....Hope ya remember next time Fish, I would have given you the straight story and you know it."
On March 3rd, Luke F-rd speaks at the Loyola Marymount Law School about such legal issues as privacy, libel, and copyrights. On Monday, Scoop was interviewed and photographed in his hovel by the Village Voice.
Luke has the scoop on AVN's biggest story ever - possible criminal behavior by a porn operation listed on the stock market. Click here and begin reading at message 34 by seclawboy. And read Gene Ross's posting from Monday afternoon.
On Friday, Luke asked Gene Ross about the story of his career: "Give me the scoop on porn, the stock market and SEC (Security and Exchange Commission) violations?"
Gene: "Luke, I'm not at liberty to say. This story will take months. It will probably be the biggest story AVN has ever come out with."
One company that sprung to Luke's mind was Ken Guarino's Metro which went public in 1994. But Gene says it is not Metro. Other publicly traded porn companies include Private and Playboy. But it is not them either.
How did Luke get the scoop? By email. A source: "Check out New Frontier Media (stock symbol: NOOF) at www.noof.com. Also, do you know why the Extasy Channel was pulled of DISH Network last year after only a few weeks on the air?"
Luke F-rd Quiz 2 by Fred Buccolini 2/23/99
Hey kiddies! It's
quiz time! It's multiple choice and fill in the blank.
Grab a pen and paper and keep score, and read your personality
profile at the end of the quiz . All of the answers are culled
from l-keford.com. Have Fun!
Question 1
Identify the Publisher speaking:
"Now where were
you born, Luke? Australia? You don't know a
flying f--- about anything. You're an ex-felon. If you weren't,
your father was. You're a bunch of refugees from a penal
colony. The only reason that Jews are in pornography is
that we think that Christ sucks."
a) Hugh Hefner
b) Al Goldstein
c) Paul Fishbein
d) Ken Starr
e) Larry Flynt
Question 2
Fill in the Blank. According to Luke F-rd:
"Persons who produce
____ are always secular and tend to be
liberal, single, male, sexually jaded, frank, rebellious, open to
experimenting with drugs, alcohol and the occult, and consumers of
pop culture."
a) pork
b) politicians
c) car deodorizers
d) Beanie Babies
e) porn
Question 3
Identify the Talent Agent
In 1982 a car
hit him. In 1989 he broke a leg. In 1992: "A
three-ounce spleen turns out to be seven pounds and had to be
removed. I almost died, but I was working from bed in the
intensive care unit. I booked people out of the hospital."
a) Jim South
b) Sidney the bookie--this guy's luck you don't need.
c) Regan Senter
d) A man named Bernie. He's lonely. Send money.
e) Reb Sawitz
f) Mike Ovitz
Question 4
Fill in the Blank
"Luke F-rd, you
ignorant slut," writes _____ in her June, 1997, Diary
page on her internet site. "How dare you write about who you think may
be the father of my son, much less even mention my son. The only
people on this earth who truly know who is the father of my child are
me, the father and my father, who should kick your misinformed, wimpy
little ass for being so IGNORANT."
a) Mother Teresa
b) Former Saturday Night Live Weekend Update writer.
c) Asia Carrera
d) Bianca Trump
e) Ginger Lynn
f) Someone who coined the term "Where there's smoke there's fire."
Question 5
Name the Performer speaking:
"I was born in
Des Moines, Iowa. I grew up in the circus,
traveling with the Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey. My
dad was a clown and my mom did aerial ballet. We traveled with the
circus for several years, and then my parents divorced and
we went to opposite sides of the country."
a) Ronald McDonald
b) Nikki Sinn
c) Nina Hartley
d) Richard Simmons
e) Krusty the Clown
f) Ronald Reagan
Question 6
Name the Person speaking:
"I had some Israelis
here shooting their first video. These were
upstanding citizens. They were not drug addicts like most of the
people in the porno industry. They were not pimps or whores or drug
addicts, drug users, drug sellers. They were just normal people with
jobs. They were artists."
a) Kathie Lee
Gifford
b) James DiGiorgio
c) Former chief of police Ed Davis
d) Rob Spallone
e) Mark Curtis
f) Randy Detroit
Question 7
Identify the Party Speaking
"This is the story.
One day at the show, out of the blue, Mrs.
John Bowen starts calling me names. 'You cocksucker. You
asshole. You're a jerk. You motherf---er.' And everyone wondered 'who
was that?' And I said, 'I think that was John Bowen's wife.' And they
said, 'why did she come out of the blue and bust your balls like
that?' And I said, 'I don't know.'"
a) John T Bone
b) Daffy Duck
c) Rob Black
d) Susan Faludi
e) Kendra Jade
f) That f---cking dog on those Taco Bell commercials.
g) Rob Spallone
Question 8
Identify the person
"Over the course
of five years, I have screened over 10,000
hours of hardcore footage on film and videotape. I have seen
just about every sex act imaginable that is legal within the
continental United States. I have observed every type of
woman you can imagine indulging in sexual scenarios so vast
and wide and varied that a chronic masturbator would have
to beat his meat from here 'til Doomsday to envision all the
images that I have seen."
a) One Serious
Porn Fan
b) Ed Meese
c) Rodger Jacobs
d) Mike Albo
e) Bob Dornan
Question 9
Identify person speaking
"Reb, despite
what you think, I've always liked you.
You're one of the most down-to-earth people in the business.
I think you've seen so much stuff that you don't agree with, it
wears you down."
a) Some guy who
owes Reb Sawitz a s---load of money.
b) Al Goldstein
c) Some guy who's covering all bases.
d) Jim South
e) Rob Spallone
f) Regan Senter
Question 10
Name the Person
Speaking
"I don't know
how you got so popular. Everyone reads you.
Every time someone does an article on me, for the New York Times, for
Time Out magazine, for Rolling Stone, Spin magazine, the person says,
respond to this: 'According to Luke F-rd,'... Oh God no, not again.
"
a) Luke F-rd
b) Russ Hampshire
c) Mark Kernes
d) Mike Albo
e) Ron Jeremy
Question 11
Name the Person Speaking
"You become a
Made Guy in porno, just like the Mafia.
You're an outsider until people in the business come to trust
you. Then someone has to vouch for you. One guy told me some
wild stories, then told me to not tell anyone: I didn't.
He saw that I could be trusted and then he vouched for me.
I was in."
a) James DiGiorgio
b) Linda Tripp
c) Some guy on RAME who walks the walk and talks the talk but
actually works at the post office.
d) Sidney the bookie--he just lost his shirt in Pork Bellies.
e) Jack Valenti
f) Ron Sullivan
Question 12
Name the Person Speaking
"For ten years an FBI agent named Finney seemed to do nothing but watch me. I used to take him to lunch. He told me I was on the list of prime targets because I knew two guys who had vowels at the end of their names. Sure, I knew one of them, I used to stop off in his bar from work every night. But that was twenty-five years ago."
a) Frank Sinatra
b) William Margold
c) Reb Sawitz
d) Mark Carriere
e) David Friedman
Question 13
Identify the Person Speaking
"You wanna talk
about pressure, Luke? I'll tell you about
pressure. I'll tell you about getting your f---ing head squeezed
between a couple of leaded thighs. Luke, I'm the luckiest guy in the
world. I'm on top, I'm number one and anyone who wants to f---
me up, go ahead."
a) Bill Clinton
b) A chubby-chaser that Luke met at Taco Bell # 1467
c) A seriously delusional guy who went shopping at Radio Shack
during the L.A. Riots.
d) Bobby Hollander
e) Robert Black
f) Max Hardcore
Question 14
Name the Director
Speaking
"I don't feel
like I am sinning. I am not married and doing this.
It's basically a business, a business that has gone on since the
beginning of time. It is glamorfied prostitution. It has become more
sophisticated. People get implanted. There's acting, props, make-up,
hair, location but all it boils down to the same thing - f---ing."
a) Paul Thomas
b) Joey Silvera
c) John Leslie
d) Michael Ninn
e) Randy Detroit
Question 15
Name the Director
Speaking
"I shot the dungeon
scene in San Francisco for six hours. For six
hours Jamie Gillis worked with an erection. When we got halfway
though, I couldn't do it anymore. I couldn't stand it. I'm not into
S&M. They were doing so much screaming I was afraid the police were
going to come... When I got back, Jamie was urinating all over
Heather. Serena had yelled that she had to go to the bathroom and
Jamie said, 'Save it, honey.' Then he started peeing all over the
girls."
a) Ed Powers --
"I Left My Rubbers at the Bus Stop."
b) Bob Chinn -- "Tell Them Sidney Horshack Was Here."
c) Gerard Damiano--"The Devil in John T. Bone"
d) Alex deRenzy--"Censorship in Irvine"
e) Radley Metzger-- "Misty Conducts at the Carnegie"
f) Svetlana--"800 Fantasy Lane."
Question 16
Identify the Person
Speaking
"There are only a finite number of major companies in the X-rated industry in America. There are lots of little people. But all the little people have sharks looming over them. And all the sharks have whales hanging over them. And all the whales sleep together. They all announce how viciously they hate each other but they are all buddies. So it's all controlled. It's like the jukebox industry in the old days. The distribution is all taken care of."
a) John Gotti
b) Former Sea World Employee now working at Sunshine Video.
c) Gloria Leonard
d) James DiGiorgio
e) Some armchair critic who only watches Baywatch and Crimestory
reruns and repeatedly watches the adult video "Shooting Sex."
f) William Margold
Question 17
Identify the Person Speaking
"It's like, blame
the Jews for everything....Now they have a
new one - --it's Luke F-rd. They can blame him for everything.
I respect him as a gossip journalist. He is the supreme Boneyard.
The Boneyard in the AVN? He's way beyond it."
a) A guy who seriously
wants to see his name on l-keford.com.
b) Regan Senter
c) Mark Kernes
d) Al Goldstein
e) Paul Fishbein
Question 18
Identify the Female
Performer speaking on the hiring of male
talent:
"The mental trick
is learning how to have sex morning or night, early
or late, hot or cold, hungry or tired, rent overdue, cat sick, mom
died, car broke down. You're not allowed to be human. You don't get
to
come home from a hard day's work and have a girlfriend and get all
cuddly and lovey. And after a while you start dredging up weirder and
weirder fantasies to get you through it, and you start spelunking into
strange places. If a guy comes up to me and I see he's a sweetheart,
I
tell him: 'Don't do it. You will ruin yourself and your life forever,
because that part of you that I find sweet now and desirable will be
gone. They'll eat it.' "
a) Tyffany Million
b) Sharon Mitchell
c) Dr. Susan Block
d) Tina Tyler
e) Nina Hartley
Question 19
Name the Female Performer
"I believe that
in making the decision to get into the adult
industry it shows that the individual has courage, strength, and
dignity."
a) Stacy Donovan
b) Linda Lovelace
c) Gina Ryder
d) Kristarra Barrington
e) Kimberly Carson
Question 20
Name the publisher
"Finally, Luke,
I don't have the time and energy to keep
responding to these people, who obviously have nothing better to
do that take shots. So let them say whatever they want, but I'm not
buying in after today, This is it....All of you out there with your
conspiracy theories, these pussies who e-mail you without the guts
to give their names and all the naysayers who have nothing better
to do than take shots: You can all go f--- yourselves."
a) Rupert Murdoch
b) Otis Chandler
c) Tina Brown
d) Paul Fishbein
ANSWER KEY: 1)
b 2) e 3) e 4) e 5) b 6) f 7) c 8) c 9)
f 10) e 11) a 12) e 13) f 14) e 15) f 16) f 17) b 18) e 19)
c 20) d
PERSONALITY PROFILE
Here's your personality profile based on your score.
15 -20 wrong =
You spend a lot of time watching Crossfire.
You enjoy talk radio and you think Bill Clinton is the Antichrist. Your
favorite color is Green. You think crime is terrible in Los Angeles
(if
you're a resident) but you refuse to move. For some reason, you think
people have it good who live in Des Moines.
10-14 wrong =
You've spent some time on this website but find it
confusing. Who are these people? You're not sure and don't really
care. But there is something pulling you to l-keford.com. It might be
Satan.
6-9 wrong = Not
bad. You have a definite interest in the porn
business. You are most likely male. You are reading this while your
wife or
girlfriend is asleep. You are sick of Seinfield reruns. You long for
the days of Pussycat Theaters and X-rated drive-ins. You miss the
taboo of going to dirty movies, of parking your car on a dark street,
and hiding you face, looking down while buying a ticket. You tend to
laugh out loud at the most inopportune times: at funerals, car
wrecks, and dental appointments. You think Charlton Heston is a great,
great actor.
1-5 wrong Wow!
Congratulations. You either work in the
adult business and know all of the players or you spend way too much
time
on this website. The sun will be out tomorrow. Maybe you should go
out for a walk.
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From IRC chat #pornchat on irc.eskimo.com at 6667 Monday evening:
<MikeSouth> Shooting Sex was hilarious
<spacemanj> SS was a great flick
<MikeSouth> I cracked up at SS...I know Eddie and theres a TON of inside jokes just in his dialogue
<JustMrT> I didn't think it was great ... he obviously at least cared about trying to make a good video ..
* BobBlec makes a note to see Shooting Sex
<spacemanj> You'll like it BobBlec...JimmyD is hilarious
<JustMrT> repeating the gag about the make-up guy 3 times was bad ...
<MikeSouth> Shooting Sex is a must see...not for the sex but to see Spallone act...f---er is good....course he AINT really acting :)
<JustMrT> Spallone was surprisingly good
<JustMrT> he could have really done it over the top, but he didn't
<MikeSouth> thats part of it JMT....he says the same s--- over and over...eddie does...in real life
<JustMrT> well, so 20 people in the entire world would get that ... to everyone else, it just looks like he's beating a joke into the ground
<spacemanj> "Don't you know who I am?? I'm l-keford.com!!"
<MikeSouth> Luke was a good parody of himself
<spacemanj> Funniest part of the flick...right there
<JustMrT> Also, I frankly felt that Luke was prettier than most of the girls in that video ... but maybe Jimmy was stuck with whoever Spallone was representing at the time
<MikeSouth> I see 2 or three noms for best actor in a non sex role for that vid
<spacemanj> Ed-When he's interviewing Christgen Wolf
<Luke> I just got an angry phone call from fish
<Luke> he thought that i was reckless
<SinCity> luke, is jim digiorgio going to use you for any more cameos
<Luke> Only in sin city productions, matt
<JimGunn> Luke, gee I cannot imagine he's mad at you!
<PudgyM> Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
<BobBlec> Luke: you? reckless?
<Luke> he thinks i rush a story on to my site without regard for truth, balance, perspective, all sides
<SinCity> sounds like he hit nail on the head
<Luke> lol
<SinCity> thats what i like about you, luke
<BobBlec> Luke: isn't that what journalism is all about these days
<Luke> If you've been sexually harassed by Sin City execs, raise your hand
<SinCity> sin city execs force all the girls to have sex on video
<JimGunn> Luke I pointed out your site to one of the not-to-computer literate owners of a porn manu. co. and he was actually amused (perhaps befuddled) to see all the juicy, controversial info that you posted.
<SinCity> ari is particulary in love with you luke
<Luke> i forced gene ross to go six months early wiht a story tonight
<Luke> paul is thinking of pulling gene ross off AVN and devote him to the web site to compete with me.
<JimGunn> Do you think that would happen, Luke?
<xxx> luke, gene could not lick your boots
<Luke> ari destroyed porn, i hear. Is that true?
<JimGunn> Or just talk.
<SinCity> luke, you have him confused with the other israels, danny from cab and ariel
<Luke> avn is gunning for me now, yes, i think ross is dying to go head to head, minute to minute with me.
<Luke> Oy, all those israelis look alike.
<BobBlec> Luke: you're making an impact on the business
<Luke> Israeli mafia
<Luke> And having a ball, bob
<JimGunn> AVN should use their site to supplement the mag. and print real reviews of the movies they devote one sentance to, and especially to those under 3 1/2 stars that they have promised to ignore.
<Luke> Matt, when am I going to appear in my next Sin City feature?
<SinCity> i want an award for sin city getting the most 3 1/2 stars
<PudgyM> If AVN needs the money, they should collect a click-through fee for every video which is sold at that video company's site after reading an AVN review.
<Luke> You must be embarrassed by SS's success
<JimGunn> Luke, have you gotten blown yet after all these cameo appearances? Without pay, that's really all there is other than status..
<Luke> NO
<JustMrT> Even Wayne the Crew got a little action
<JimGunn> Come to one of my sets, I'll have you all set up. ;-)
<SinCity> luke, chuck is waiting by the phone for your call to coordinate your next movie
<xx> It's time for Gene Ross to follow his heart and quit porn for wrestling :)
<JustMrT> Luke, I have to tell you, to the average porn consumer (i.e., me) all this stuff [New Frontier] is about as interesting as accounts of executive misbehavior in the coal industry.
<MikeSouth> I wanted to congrat Luke on rattlin AVN's cage on the NOOF scoop
<MikeSouth> AVN now wants to go head to head with l-keford.com...HA!
<MikeSouth> the beauty of lukes site is that everyone writes it for him
<MikeSouth> he just fills in the commas and s---
<LT> Mike: hehehe, he's figured it out. Luke F-rd's self writing column :)
<MikeSouth> thats the REAL beauty of l-keford.com
<MikeSouth> and the REAL beauty of the net...no spin no BS
<MikeSouth> just pure. raw information
<MikeSouth> last time Luke met w/Hircsh Luke wimped big time
<MikeSouth> f---er better redeem himself this time...you listening Luke?
<LT> I don't think anyone's talking to Luke now...unless he puts something inflammatory on the website.
<MikeSouth> LSB lemme guess...a vivid girl sodomizes Hirsch with a strap on and it gets caught on video
<MikeSouth> the vivid girl then holds it for ransom getting a pretty penny and a no cut contract
<MikeSouth> even though she only does G/G
<MikeSouth> sound familiar
<LT> If they talk to Luke, it's just to answer something on the website.
<MikeSouth> Great plot for a vivd movie though...they should shoot it...
<PudgyM> The payoff scene should be the Vivid girl with the strap-on analing S. Hirsch doggy, while she herself is being analed doggy.
<Alain-> Mike: if th story would be spot the girl who had the longuest carreer at Vivid and you will have the name of the "enculeuse" (female butt f---er in french)
<lsb> Lexus takes on Lexington Steele and Mr. Marcus simultaneously
<lsb> ahh s---, just have every Vivid girl take a serious facial
<MikeSouth> there ya go LSB.....a B/B/B/G
<PudgyM> I want one ooey, gooey dropshot into an anus or vulva.
<lsb> Racquel takes on Peter North, Steve Drake and Alex Sanders as a few other guys hold Derrick Lane down
<MikeSouth> lsb and piss on him
<MikeSouth> after setting fire to his head of course
<lsb> LOL
<MikeSouth> I really like reality based pron :)
<MikeSouth> porn
<lsb> All boyfriends should be BARRED from the sets where their girlfriends/wives are shooting
<PudgyM> Unless they're performing the act.
<PudgyM> Which might lend some passion to the scene.
<lsb> New porn rule.....Five scenes allowed between real life couples, no more
<lsb> Porn studs need to adopt the Mickey G attitude
<MikeSouth> Methinks Matt is busy with his attorneys these days ;)
XXX: i was over at bobby g's today hez starting some internet live feed s--- from his place
<JimmyD> the first girl flaked..hehehhehe
<PudgyM> I wouldn't pay to watch someone defecate.
XXX: oh s---...luke's logging this s---
XXX: no s---, pudg??
<MikeSouth> dats OK ...Bobbyg dont read luke site anyway...couldnt find it if ya gave him the URL
XXX Nope, nope, nope. Maybe if it was free.... no, no, still no.
XXX and tattooed it on his f---ing roach clip
XXX heheheh
XXX He's so dumb; he couldn't spell URL if you spotted him the "U" and the "R".
XXX i go in there with xxx, and he sez to me, "Do i know you?" i've met him like three times...done bizness with him, right so i said, "f--- yeah you know me, what are you, don drugs?"
<JimGunn> I would love to write a f---ing essay on girls who flake, but I'm too tired from typing tonight to do it.
XXX he sez, "what did you say to me?" i said, "ARE YOU ON DRUGS??"
<MikeSouth> LOL
<BobBlec> bwahahahaha
XXX then robs dog pissed on his carpet
<MikeSouth> LOL daTS bOBBYg
<JimGunn> Those Jap pornographers are sick, I agree.
<MikeSouth> 3 secs to me JimmyD
<RogTPipe> "Sick" that sounds like personal bias (Sorry, couldnt resist)
<BobBlec> 5 secs to me, Jimmy
<JimGunn> Squirtnf diareahha and all, nasty s---.
<Alain-> Jim: what I do found sick is japanese laws, pussy with mosaic but s---ting out anus in the clear, I would do the opposite
<JimmyD> hey, my photographer eric brought by this really hot french chic today...MAMA MIA!
<JimGunn> Yeah Rog, but I woud still review it in context- One Jap s--- movie vs, another.
<Anuschka> I think its his Daughter
<Anuschka> At least thats what Ive been told.......
<JimGunn> [And one would get 9 stars while the other gets 5]
<RogTPipe> I'll remember that next time I review a kiddie rape vid
<BobBlec> Jim: hehehe
<JimmyD> alain..that's cuz the anus is not a sex organ as the japs look at it
<PudgyM> Japanese video makers no longer have to mosaic the genitalia.
<JimmyD> they do if there's penetration pudg
<BobBlec> Pudgy: they don't?
<Alain-> I know Jimmyd, but watching a pussy is prettier to me :-)
<PudgyM> At King VelVeeda's event, Bootleg Life was exhibiting a new Japanese video in which you definitely saw the penetration.
<Anuschka> how did that turn out Pudgy ?
<PudgyM> The box was mostly in Japanese, which led me to believe that it was sold in Japan.
<PudgyM> Not exclusively for export.
<Anuschka> Bootleg Life says it all.......
<MikeSouth> Jenni is pure heiffer
<spacemanj> Which Fresh Pink?
<MikeSouth> heifer
<MikeSouth> wonder if Jenni is stump broke?
<RogTPipe> The first one
<JimmyD> stump broke
<RogTPipe> Not sure about danni, but Linzie McKenzie rox my sox
<JimGunn> Anyone want to see a new 18 year old in some lez boot licking? I have a vid cap from the Strap-On Sally 13 boxcover photo shoot the other day.?
<MikeSouth> not unles she has a dick in her mouth Jimbo
<MikeSouth> Lick a boot ... the polish of life comes off and leaves a taste in yer mouth you'll never forget
<MikeSouth> In the kingdom of G/G Jim you are a minor diety
<PudgyM> But it was true, JimG. G. Siskel did write a review of "Debbie Does Dallas", and it did appear in the Chicago Tribune.
<BobBlec> hahahah
<spacemanj> Where did his thumb go up?
<JimGunn> I believe it.
<PudgyM> He gave it 1½ stars.
<JimGunn> Unlike some other thigs I have heard here tonight...
<PudgyM> In that same issue of the Tribune, he also reviewed "Force One From Navarone" and it also got 1½ stars.
<PudgyM> The Tribune was not one of those supercilious ones which would not accept advertising from adult theaters.
<JimGunn> A buck's a buck.
<BobBlec> Pudgy: so how has the city been reacting to Siskel's death?
<PudgyM> David F. Friedman has writeen that the Los Angeles Times sacrificed the high ground when it announced in 1975 it would no longer accept advertising from adult theaters.
<PudgyM> Yes, JimmyD. That's what really counts. All those guys spurting are temporary stand-ins for those guys watching the video.
<JimmyD> and the guys shooting the video too
<JimmyD> sigh
<spacemanj> Local Radio station here was calling Alabama residents, posing as local sheriffs, and accusing them of having sex toys.
<BobBlec> Jimmy: oh, come on; you get too much already ;)
<BobBlec> space: any interesting answers?
<PudgyM> Well, we're artists in the entertainment business, JimmyD. We all must suffer for our craft.
<JimmyD> in the domain of pussy...is there such a thing as too much?
<BobBlec> Jimmy: hehehe
<spacemanj> Nah, all denials, and one real pissed off boyfriend, threatening to kill "DSS officer" on other end.
<PudgyM> Yes, JimmyD. It generally ends right about when you can no longer spurt any more.
<JimmyD> THe LAst Spurt
<JimmyD> good to the last spurt
<spacemanj> pretty funny stuff.
<PudgyM> "He came.... and he went."
<BobBlec> space: heheh
<PudgyM> I need to come to grips with myself (no, not down there). I am a tolerant, egalitarian person, who wants porn directors to be more adventurous, but I am professing a preference for decidedly 'raincoater' scenes.
<JimmyD> the prob with raincoater stuff is that it's the least lucrative for the pornographer
<BobBlec> Jimmy: how so?
<JimmyD> no cable sale...no adam and eve...no hotels
<BobBlec> Jimmy: ok, that makes sense
<Luke> yo
<BobBlec> re Luke
<JimmyD> i love it when i get panned in a review for being too soft when the people who hired me told me "make a great cable piece, i could give a s--- less about the hardcore"
<PudgyM> But in many instances, the hardcore stuff which is snipped to make the sale to cable is the close-up insert shots.
<BobBlec> Jimmy: lovely
<JimmyD> ya'd thnk AVN would figure out that theres different kinda pornos and the people making them were tasked with different assignment
<PudgyM> It's almost as if it was 1973, when you had multiple versions of a film depending on the heat of the market.
<JimmyD> they should review softcore versions cause there's more money being made with them than with the hardcore (for the most part)
<PudgyM> One hardtop owner would take the full-tilt version; another owner wanted the explicit stuff kept to a minimum; and the drive-in owner wanted a version which he could show on an all-nighter.
<BobBlec> Jimmy: interesting thought
<JimmyD> lemme tell ya...most of my mediocre features ultimately made way more f---ing money than max hardcore, or rob blacks, or pat collins, or tommy byron or any of these guys best stuff
<JimmyD> amd thats a fact jack
<MikeSouth> I know thats right JimmyD
<JimmyD> because there aint no cable and their aint no hotel, and their is very little mail order for any of their s---
<BobBlec> Jimmy: makes a lot of sense
<JimmyD> ya know how many pieces of tommy byrons stuff they have to sell just to make up for that one $17,500 playboy sale????
<BobBlec> Jimmy: s---loads
<Luke> can i quote you jim?
<JimmyD> can i shoot you luke?
<BobBlec> Jimmy: uh-oh, now you're in it
* PudgyM looks askew at Luke.
<JimmyD> with a gun, imean?
<BobBlec> Jimmy: bwahahahaha
<JimmyD> luke...i dont want it to come off like im bagging these guys stuff
<JimmyD> i like their stuff
<JimmyD> its just that AVN fails to realize this s---
<JimmyD> that's who i think is at fault
<JimmyD> in the way they review the stuff
<PudgyM> It's just that you, I, and most everyone who spends any time looking at adult videos knows that the way to profitability is selling your video to Playboy or Adam & Eve.
<JimmyD> and i dont wanna sound like im crowing about my stuff...it's more about features versus gonzos and hardcore only pieces
<JimmyD> thats it pudg
<MikeSouth> but yer right JimmyD.....
<JimmyD> which also means you have to spend more upfront for them to buy it
<PudgyM> Sell to them, and you're off the peg.
<JimmyD> and you have to know a bit more about what your doing as a maker of these things
<PudgyM> That's another bit written by David F. Friedman.
<JimmyD> but hell...i'll even defend AVN here...they're mostly JUST INTERESTED in reaching video store owners
<PudgyM> Except he was using it writing about the Pussycat Theater.
<JimmyD> so the soft is meaningless to most of their readership
<MikeSouth> JimmyD AVN could care less bout cable...
<JimmyD> no s---
<PudgyM> So there's the niche.
<MikeSouth> store owners tare the bread and butter.....
<JimmyD> i just get a bit p.o.'d when they compare something i've done, that was meant to be first and foremost, a cable piece, get compared to zane, or extreme, or max, or whoever
<BobBlec> Jimmy: understandable
<PudgyM> Come up with a zine which can be bought by people whose only contact with erotic entertainment is the softcore versions of your explicit videos, and the stuff which plays 'after hours' on Cinemax or Showtime.
<JimmyD> cuz trust me...i can shoot s--- as nasty as any of them guys
<BobBlec> Pudgy: not a bad idea
<JimmyD> but most of them cant shoot s--- that'd pass muster at the broadcasters..they wouldnt know how
<MikeSouth> as more vid store owners get net savvy AVN is gonna have to respond or get dusted
<JimmyD> and when they start talkin Euro s---...gimme a break..ther'es as much if not more money in Euro softcore broadcast as the hardcore
<PudgyM> Get it into Barnes & Noble, Borders, Tower Records, and Virgin Megastore.
<BobBlec> Mike: do the store owners have an alternative to AVN, though?
<MikeSouth> a good net review site that reviews everything will eventually put AVN out of bizness...
<JimmyD> nope..they dont bob
<JimmyD> why d'ya think avn bought that big website
<PudgyM> Not yet, really. Unless you want to include the Adam Film Guide.
<MikeSouth> timely reviews are ket to the vid store owners that read avn
<JimmyD> why do ya think luke makes avn so nervous...besides the fact that rob and i are his freinds
<BobBlec> Mike: yeah, but how many store owners have net access, or care about it a lot?
<RogTPipe> I have been trying for something like for two years
<MikeSouth> right JimmyD but they dont know what to do with it yet...
<MikeSouth> they sholda gave it to Luke and taken their name off of it...kind of a silent partnership
<JimmyD> that's cuz they dont know how to think spontaneously...they have to analzyze everything...paralysis thru analysis
<MikeSouth> thats why I said as they get more net savvy Bob....
<MikeSouth> they have the puters....
<BobBlec> Mike: yeah
<JimmyD> luke..you can speak..i wont shoot you
<MikeSouth> the right site would be a business tool they couldnt live without...if it was marketed right
<JimmyD> i mean here i mean
<JimmyD> they should at least be emailing daily to the stores...latest breaking news
<BobBlec> Mike: *if* being the operative term
<BobBlec> Jimmy: that would work
<MikeSouth> heres the way to do it...you listenin Luke?
<MikeSouth> package the software to access the site...sell it to the store as turnkey
<JimmyD> ya see..here's how it works..if i do a piece for sin city...they're gonna sell about two thousand pieces of the hard whether it's great or it sucks
<MikeSouth> include a script that sets everything up and GIVE the software away with a site subscription
<JimmyD> but if the soft sucks, they're in trouble
<BobBlec> Jimmy: and if you do for cable, it sells for a s---load
<JimmyD> if the soft is good...they're happy and they could give a s--- less whether the hard was good or bad
<MikeSouth> no fuss no muss
<Luke> Hi
<MikeSouth> Hi?
<PudgyM> Blast him!
<BobBlec> re Luke
<JimmyD> well...they can do llike 30-40K in total soft sales...they'll nver come close to that in hard
<JimmyD> or more
<JimmyD> everyone bags vivid...but how come vivid makes so much money??? SOFT baby, SOFT
<PudgyM> Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
<JimmyD> metro biggest piece ever: Zazel....soft as a baby's butt
<BobBlec> Jimmy: so is it better to have both a hard and soft version of everything?
<JimmyD> VCA's money: SOFT SOFT SOFT
<PudgyM> Ahhhh, don't put it that way, JimmyD.
<BobBlec> (except dicks)
<MikeSouth> PT told me without cable TV Vivid would go down hard
<JimmyD> wicked's big moneymakers: SOFT SOFT SOFT
<BobBlec> Pudgy: heheh
<Mastrick> Vivid is good at marketing their product. That is why they are successful. Their product is of secondary importance
<JimmyD> yet avn would have you believe that the only thing that's important is whether or not the insert shots were there...f--- MAN, they'er are no insert shots in the soft!@!!!!
<MikeSouth> but AVN is beholden to their market niche which IS hardcore
<JimmyD> yu guys seein my point here?
<MikeSouth> of course and I know yer right too
<MikeSouth> i been there and got that T-shirt....
<BobBlec> Jimmy: yep
<JimmyD> the reason vanilla porn directors keep making porn...guys like thomas paine, PT, cash markman, jim holliday, andrew blake...is cause they know how to deliver a the SOFT goods!
<Mastrick> Hirsch does a great job of signing real pretty girls. He gets them by treating them well, paying them well, and letting the talent decide what they will or won't do
<Mastrick> In the porn biz, Hirsch appears to be an easy boss
<JimmyD> i can make a really good hardcore piece..if that's all im making
<JimmyD> but it's tuff to make a good harcore piece when your goal is to make a great softcore piece
<MikeSouth> no sendin em...my Tshirts are delivered in person only
<MikeSouth> how else will I know its really you? :)
<BobBlec> Jimmy: big difference between making a hard and soft, i.e., not just re-editing?
<BobBlec> Mike: oh, *now* you tell me...
<PudgyM> What I'm scribing is that if you want a make a 1970's hardcore film now in 1999, you can. Have all your hardcore footage in close-up, which can be easily spliced into the main softcore version.
<JimmyD> that's the way most do it..but to do it right...you need to be thinking the soft when your shooting..when im shooting a feature..im shooting a softcore first, and a hardcore as secondary
<BobBlec> Jimmy: ok
<JimmyD> yet im reviewed only by the hardcore
<JimmyD> which most reviewers dont understand...xcept the gifted one's like rog
<RogTPipe> suck up :-)
<PudgyM> You need a ten-second close-up initial penetration shot, 30-50 seconds of explicit swiving, and 30-60 seconds of the cumshot.
<BobBlec> Rog: heheh
<JimmyD> rog...the check for the shooting sex review was cut and mailed today
<PudgyM> The balance of the scene can be shot soft.
<RogTPipe> great, I need to keep the great cash machine that is Rog Reviews going
<BobBlec> heheheh
<JimmyD> lemme tell ya something...i cut a lotta porn...most of these guys shoot all kinds of hardcore, and short the soft..and we end up looping it...slo-mo-ing it...etc...but these days...that gets the piece rejected
<JimmyD> and the talent half the time acts like they're doing you a favor by tolerating the time it takes to shoot the soft stuff
<BobBlec> Jimmy: if they only knew...
<JimmyD> i thnk a lotta shooters end up with not enuff soft footage cuz their pussies when it comes to dealing with talent who starts acting all imaptient with the soft
<PudgyM> Really, JimmyD? I would think the opposite.
<JimmyD> talent only wants to know about getting paid
<JimmyD> nope
<PudgyM> That the performers would not want to delay the hardcore shooting.
<JimmyD> well...it means yu have to shoot twice as long and they have to work harder for thier money
<JimmyD> pudg..wehn we're shooting soft..the talent is not simulating the sex
<JimmyD> they're still f---ing
<JimmyD> ans sucking
<JimmyD> we're just getting angles that hide the penetration
<PudgyM> Ah hah.
<MikeSouth> Im out guys...cya later
<JimmyD> the sex is not usually faked during that
<PudgyM> Good night, MikeSouth.
<JimmyD> i'll call ya soon mike
<JimmyD> sometimes i'll simulate the anal for the soft
<JimmyD> but that's about it
<JimmyD> Shooting Porn 101 by JimmyD
<JimmyD> :)
<BobBlec> Jimmy: hehe
<JimmyD> but when the talent is going balls out f---ing...and the heat is really up, its tuff to get those hidden penentration angles..so we sometimes have to cool down the scene..which really sucks...but no other choice
<BobBlec> Jimmy: yeah
<JimmyD> but i'd stil rahter direct features
<JimmyD> they're more fun, more satisfying...and no one's gonna pay me my feature rates for shooting a gonzo
<BobBlec> Jimmy: interesting
<PudgyM> I remember seeing any number of old softcore features where there were extensive shots of belly-bumping and doggy swiving where you didn't see the genitals, but could likely presume they were really doing it.
<JimmyD> it's just the reality of it
<JimmyD> THe Science of Pornography
<JimmyD> :)
<PudgyM> But it's an art, JimmyD.
<JimmyD> oh yeah....i forgot...hehehehe
<BobBlec> Jimmy: it's an Art *and* a Science
<PudgyM> It's two, two, two disciplines in one.