Monday,
May 14th, 2001
Have you ever considered a career in the adult industry? Do you fantasize about getting paid to enjoy hot sex in exotic locations with beautiful people? The porn world is booming, with over 10,000 new adult videos released every year, but entering this secretive industry can be a trying experience.
1-2-3 BE A PORN STAR! shows you how to make your fantasy come true in three easy steps. You'll find out who the right people are, how you can meet them, and how to land your all-important first job. Whether you're male or female, 1-2-3 BE A PORN STAR! makes it easy to cut through the usual obstacles. You'll get up-to-date contact information for all the best talent agents, directors, and producers, along with advice in their own words for how to ensure your success. Plus you'll enjoy exclusive interviews with legendary porn stars such as Jill Kelly, Max Hardcore, Nina Hartley, Peter North, Stacy Valentine, Randy West, Sharon Mitchell, Ashlyn Gere, Guy DeSilva, Annabel Chong and many more.
Please note that 1-2-3 BE A PORN STAR! focuses only on adult employment that is legal. Industry opportunities covered in the book include amateur, mainstream, hardcore, softcore, fetish, gonzo, gay, bi, lesbian, transsexual, and couples. Extensive discussion is devoted to the question of how to make your own adult videos. In addition to the video industry, the book also details opportunities in cable, CD-ROM, DVD, print media, and the booming Internet arena. An entire chapter is devoted to health and safety issues for adult performers.
About the Author 1-2-3 BE A PORN STAR! is written by Ana Loria, a renowned safe-sex advocate and webmistress. For the past five years, she has administered the popular website Safesex.Org, while researching and compiling her well-known Directory of Safe-Sex Programs. Ms. Loria is not married... yet. She lives happily on the beach in Malibu with her Jack Russell terrier, Arpy.
Georgina writes on Amazon.com: This book is better that Ann Loria's last book,"Get paid for Sex". Boy, that last book really sucked. But I think this book still lacks alot of information. It's ok to read if you know nothing about the sex industry and have questions. The book gives names and numbers, some of which are bogus, others are real. The author covers pornography in depth, which makes the book worth reading and not a total waste of money, but I would have liked to see some discussion of the psychological ramifications of doing this kind of work. This book had no such information, which was a little upsetting only because I hoped the author would have covered all bases. some people might think this is a great book, I happen to think it's ok, not great.
AngelFire writes on Amazon.com: I read this book out of curiousity. It was interesting reading material, but the so-called up to date information, agent lists and contact information is way off. (I tried contacting some of those numbers and they laughed at me, I told them I got the information from this book and they hung up on me). Yes, the sex industry is booming, but believe me people, there is no shortage of people trying to get in. The talent agents and producers mentioned in this book, give their advise, but you try calling any one of them and you'll quickly learn this book does not help you combat any obstacles!. This step by step guide lacks credibility.
Finally, An Oriental Male Porn Performer
Pat Riley writes on RAME: For all you whiners out there who complain there aren't any Oriental males post Bruce Lei in the porn industry, hop down to your local smut shack and rent the latest Kelly The Co-Ed, #11 wherein the opening scene has Ebony Sinclaire, a British black girl with a pretty face but very droopy tits, being screwed on the stairs by an Oriental guy who's probably credited as "Dango". Tojo-type haircut, looks Japanese, reasonable build, adequate dick (bigger but not too much bigger than Ed). He's supposed to be drunk, a role with which he seems comfortable.
A Plea For Brianna Banks
Whadad writes on BigDoggie.net: just saw briana's flick lymphos 4, she is smokinnnn...not only a looker but a damm good proformer. I know everyone on the board say's she not available but you know the laws of supply & demand. If we creat a high enough of a demand...supply should follow. I hope the agencys are trying their best to get her cuz they will sure make big profits if they do. Anyone know what company she is contracted with? I'm gonna just start my company so i can contract her myself. If Briana is reading this, I'm sayin, contact me and lets do some business.
I Wanna Meet Nikki Tyler
AmateurGuy writes on BigDoggie.net: Dude, to meet Nikki Tyler you need to catch her at the Adult Convention in Vegas in Jan, or Erotica-LA in June in LA. I have met the chick and I will tell you this. She is all about the Money. Big Money. I was speaking with her about appearing in a Pro AM, and she said she was a contract girl and she gets paid too much to fuk on film to do any amateur work. My advise is if you have $2k on you you could probably get her interest for about an hr.
The Traveling Pornographers Guide To The Universe
Buddha writes: Hello Luke I do a lot of traveling to Asia, South America, and the Caribbean.. I was thinking about making some adult style films overseas. However, I do not know anything regarding the legal side of the business. For instance, If I were to go to lets say, the Dominican Republic, and hire some girls to do some solo videos for me. When I get back to the states how do I make the video legal, since the girl was foreign and I can't prove their age, since their not an American citizens. What kind of paper work do I need to cover my ass...both here abroad? I really need to know all the legal things involved so that my video's will be legit.
Lynne writes: You need a model release and two pieces of local identification, one of which has a picture and the date of birth (passport, driver's license). The other can be a birth certificate or the local equivalent of work papers. I would suggest you Fed Ex your original videotapes and undeveloped film back to the states rather than carry it through customs, because there would be less chance of it (and you) being held up as you return. You might contact potential vendors before you go and find out specifically what they would prefer for documentation, as one (or more) might be willing to send you their model release form for your use.
Are Porn Stars Prostitutes?
Pat Riley writes on RAME: In my view, anyone who is not committed to being an apologist for the porn industry (i.e. most normal people) will see females having sex for pay (whoever pays and regardless of some CA legal technicality) as engaging in prostitution. The only way they could extract themselves from this label is to show that they would have been engaging in the sex anyway regardless of the pay aspect (e.g., a couple allowing us to watch them copulate, or an actress for whom the sex aspect was entirely secondary to the acting, the latter an impossible task in any porno, now or in the past).
No one would consider Gwenyth Paltrow simulating sex with some actor in a mainstream movie as a prostitute in the sexual sense. She would also escape under the general rule that the sex is motivated by the money and is not merely an adjunct to the other activities. The "who have sex for money" part of the definition easily covers this.
Does she have sex for money? Is money the prime motivation of her performance
of the sexual act. Does hubby put a couple of hundred on the nightstand
before he sticks his dick in? Or after (she trusts him
The other salient point about Suzy Homemaker which also applies to porn performers doing their husbands or b/f's on video is the part of the definition that you don't use but seems to appear in several dictionaries: promiscuous sex. Suzy is presumably only screwing hubby hence she'd fail the promiscuous part and so would a porn couple only doing each other.
A pimp, suitcase or otherwise, lives off the earnings of his whore. In the case you advance, the whore lives off the earnings of the pimp, a most strange affair.
LoveAvenue writes on RAME: We don't need authorities to tell us what is going on here. We all know there is a difference between a porn actress and a prostitute. Both are sex workers, or performers, but there is a difference: in the case of prostitution, there is a private negotiation between the seller and the buyer of sexual services, with direct sexual contact between the seller and buyer being the usual expectation. In porn, a sexual performance is “purchased” by an entrepreneur, who hopes to profit from a media product based on this performance. No direct contact between performer and product consumer can occur during the performance. The remoteness of end-consumer from performer is a defining characteristic of porn. In short, in prostitution the end-consumer participates in a sex act that he pays for; in porn the end-consumer buys a product derived from a sex act he was not witness to.
National Geographic - Porno Magazine Of Choice
Voyager7 writes on RAME: Since one of my degrees is in Geography, National Geographic has always provided kindling for my heart. This was the first place where I saw bare titties, in well focused color pictorials of young and old alike (got a good appreciation for Sir Isaac Newton and his assessment of the effects of gravity), first place where I saw vestiges of quim coyly covered with loincloth and of course, tight boyish-type butts. :-)
Pat Riley replies: Ah, yes, voyager, you and me both. Practially whole issues filled with photos of the just discovered Unga-Bunga tribe strutting their stuff in idyllic tropical surroundings...young girls with firm perky breasts washing in the sewer effluent, eh, I mean, river...tight little buttocks looking glorious in satiny black...ever so tight waists as yet undistorted by child bearing...flat bellies you could bounce a dime, er smooth stone, off...nice pearly white even teeth...innocent smiles for the camera indicating minds as yet uncorrupted by feminism.
Mind you their hair sometimes left a lot to be desired, its curliness forshadowing a future as the Hillary Clinton or Jane Hamilton of their local lefty group. And can you imagine the smell? An acquaintance of mine who spent some time shouldering the white man's burden in the relatively civilized coastal towns of New Guinea while helping his company extract the available mineral wealth in exchange for a few baubles, informed me that screwing the locals was not for the faint of heart. Personal hygeine, especially in those feminine naughty parts, as you would put it, was rather primitive; for example, the substitute for Tampax was a mixture of mud and leaves.
Unfortunately National Geographic is today a mere shadow of its former self (my wife gets them free) I suppose having to do with the unfair competition from the porn industry and the lack of just discovered tribes of nubile young lasses.
Voyager7 writes: Additionally, looking through National Geographic gave me an appreciation for people putting strange things upon and pierced through their various body parts. I guess this is why I don't go into shock when I see the likes of the current Houston or Bridgette Kerkove.
Pat Riley writes: Indeed. The tongue pin, so beloved of our current crop (that's either crop of the current slacker generation in general or of porn stars; take your pick) pales into insignificance when one considers the lip-stretching plates of the...um, was it the Hottentot? Imagine getting a BJ from one of them. Or the tribe who applied rings to the girls necks from an early age, effectively giving them what one could call, "giraffe neck". Perhaps there's a commercial opportunity there? Not only "Shaver to the stars" but "Ringmaster" too. You could advertise in the local elementary schools. Just the thing for the up and coming 8 year old; forget orthodontia work. Similarly, one could always resurect the foot binding of the Chinese. Imagine, in your next Barefoot Confidential, instead of the huge size 9 clodhoppers of the average trailer park trash you were confronted with the very delicate size 2. Wow!
Luke Gets Mail
Lynne writes: Hey, Ruby, I, too, was a firstborn (but I put about as much credence in Frank Sulloway's theory as I do in astrology). It is not against the law to film anything but the sexual activity of minors. It is against the law in most, if not all states, to PERFORM bestiality. It is probably a violation of community standards in most places to sell it, too, even if one is only selling written descriptions of it. Women have fantasies of all sorts of things other than sex that are shocking to men, not to mention fantasies of revenge against men. I totally agree with you that women are "forced" to fantasize about rape so that they can think about sex without feeling like sluts because they wanted it. I'm on record for stating that I prefer animals to men in many, many cases, but animals are like people -- some are sexually attractive, others are not. Why divide women into under 50 and over 50 (re raising Great Danes)? Why wait? If we aren't getting laid as much as we want by quality men, why not do whatever the f--- we want, just like men do?
John writes: Luke, Check out Hustler Magazine this month. They have several pages on sex with porn stars arranged through Exotica-2000 in New York.
Alexa Golfs In Georgia
Noah writes: Hi Luke, Long time reader, but have never written in before. I live down in Georgia, not far from Macon and last week I found out something that really shocked me. I went out with some friends one night and we decided to check out this new mini golf course with a driving range.
Well, we were about to go hit some balls, when I noticed this women that looked really familiar. She was helping some family out so I assumed she worked there. After awhile of wondering who she was, I realized that it was that Alexa girl, who used to be with Wicked!! I was stunned. I didn't know what to say. I knew from reading on your site that she stopped doing movies.
I left my buddies for a bit, ran down the street to the local CVS and grabbed one of this instant cameras. I knew no one was going to believe me, and I figured this was about my only chance to meet her. So when I got back I went up and introduced myself and she was really really cool! I was stunned! She didn't mind me snapping a few pics of her, but asked that I didn't tell anyone about the golf course. She told me she has always had a passion for golf and actually left movies so she could open up this mini golf course and driving range.
Chris writes Luke: I LOVED the story about Alexa buying a miniature golf course. Please run more porn-star-makes-good stories.
Meni writes Luke: She didn't buy the golf course, you Moron.
BrandyAlx1: Does Meni not know what the term "open up" means with
regard to businesses? It's one thing if Noah is mistekenly retelling
the tale and Meni knows she doesn't own it. It's another for Meni to
call the guy a moron just because they blood left his brain a long time
ago.
BrandyAlx1: I also don't think it's very nice (1) of Noah to write to
you when Alexa asked him not to tell anything and he did it anyway after
she was so nice to him, and (2) for you to let him. And you wonder why
some stars blow fans off. They have no respect.
BrandyAlx1: You know I'll get creamed for it, but damn! There she was
all nice to him, let him have pictures and asked for only ONE thing
in return. Yeah, we're all impressed he recognized the porn star and
risked embarrassing her running up with his dick in his hand. Thank
you so much for sharing.
BrandyAlx1: Then you get guys dropping to their knees thanking you for
the greasy little orts asking for more. I GLAD nobody likes me anymore
at this point. At least I can see it coming.
Meni writes: hey f--- face, I talked to Alexa, she said its a lie. Rob from stunningcurves.com took the pics.
Lynne writes: Brandy, I don't know that telling Luke is telling "anyone." He's so much more of a cartoon than he is a human, and a cartoon jerk at that. "Noah" mustn't blab it around town that "Alexa" is working at the golf course, and Luke mustn't tell us where that course is located. She'll be safe. Assuming the story is at all true, I'm totally thrilled but, being on l-keford.com, it is just as likely that "Noah" is "Alexa's" brother, they were at the golf course and made the whole thing up. On the subject of mini-golf, I invited Luke to play miniature golf with me in Las Vegas once, but apparently there is a prohibition against Orthodox Jews playing miniature golf, on the sabbath or any other day. I invited Curious to play miniature golf with me, but he said he "wouldn't find it fun." And since I insist on miniature golf before sex...
Sky's Day Off
Skoonj writes: I guess I touched off a little firestorm about Sky and the can. I didn't, however, do it to get Sky in trouble or get people to dislike her. From what I saw on the video, she's very likable, and I'd be glad to meet her in the back seat of a car or her hotel room. And, if she takes some substance that isn't legal, well, if she doesn't give me any I don't care what she does.
I only wrote because it worries me to see drugs on a publicly available video, especially on a porn video. Porn is already marginal for society, and mixing drugs in with the sex could further marginalize it.
Was is crack cocaine? Was it marijuana? Was it something else? I really don't know. Perhaps Sky herself can explain what happened (hey, maybe she confiscated it from the guy who just walked into the room, who am I to say?). Maybe some one who is a connoisseur of such things can look at the video and determine by looking what it likely was that was in or on the can.
Luke, can you tell from the responses whether any of those who e-mailed you on this subject actually saw the video and the can? You know, I have the sneaking suspicion I might have just sold 50 videos for her! Not that I mind her making money doing videos. I really like how she looks, and her attitude is great.
Mike South writes: Art is wrong...I threw a chick off a set once for smoking crack in EXACTLY that manner.
So writes: To Art: Yes, as a matter of fact people DO smoke crack though aluminum cans! There are several common methods includin cans, steel wool and even broken light bulbs(crack heads are a determined, clever breed). More troubling is that so many of you porn fans think you know these stars because you watch their videos and masterbate like some lil' monkey. "Sky doesn't do crack"? How the hell would you know? You porno freaks are as obsessed as sports fans!
Bangbang writes: ...Hey Luke, lover yer' site man. Just wanted to give my two cents on the Sky smoking crack issue...the dude Art who said cans aren't used for it is like a baby's diaper...FULL OF s---! My buddy Jerry used to smoke crack 24-7-365 and used a can like that...so take it as you will, different strokes for different folks. Get me a gig in porn, yeehaw. Hehehehehehe.
Michael writes: Tell that guy that wasn't crack. It was probably for weed, but I dont' know why a pornstar making all this money couldn't by a pipe for 10 bux, so it was probably just that that guys eyes are messed up or something.
Evil Drunk writes: Does anyone remember that Sky has done promotions for a water pipe (read "bong") enterprise? I can't remember the name of the company but she has ads in High Times and other quality publications. That fact alone has caused me to sustain some rather serious lumber when I envision Sky sucking a pipe (and wish it was mine). What kind of a self-hating fool gets worked up about drugs in a smut film? Drugs and sex are the result of society's ills, not the cause of them.
Lynne writes Skoonj and Evil Drunk: There is a lot of pot smoked around porn. Good pot, expensive pot. Crack is a lousy, highly addictive drug for poor people. Crack gets you thrown off the set. Pot gets shared. Sometimes there is great pot around but no pipe or papers. Pot smokers are determined people, too -- and much nicer than crackheads. (I've noticed it can be really hard to get guys to smoke from a pipe made of cardboard tampon tubes...)
Up to a certain point in time, anything could be portrayed in porn: rape, underaged girls, drug use. Then many manufacturers and distributors wouldn't take product which showed drug use. Some probably still won't -- I remember the cable people, VCA and General Video of America saying "no" to drugs. Most hedonists are hedonistic about many things, and have liberal attitudes towards drugs as well as sex.
Someone who thinks porn is great but pot is evil is an anomaly. Lots of people really like to smoke pot and, if you'd ever smoked any, you'd know why. I'm sure glad you think it is okay for Sky to make money by "doing videos," though...because otherwise not only wouldn't she have money for pot, but you'd be expecting her to perform for free, and women are NOT on this planet to pleasure men in exchange for NOTHING.
Evil, drugs are part of the self-reflective human condition. They're our distraction from the hard cold reality of life. Sex is the way we procreate. Hardly the "ills" of society. If humans f---ed as much as they wanted, our overpopulation problem would be worse than it is, and there'd be a lot of nonconsensual activity going on, and no one likes that. Drugs can be either good or bad in terms of their effects, and legal or illegal depending upon when and were one lives.
Bad drugs can be legal and good ones illegal. Society is nuts. Try and enjoy yourself despite the rest of 'em... Skoonj, just remember, if Sky or anyone else tries to give you something you don't want, be it drugs or an assf---ing with a cucumber, you can always say, "no." It's easy. Just pucker your lips and...
Extreme Video
Patrick Riley writes on RAME: Extreme Teen and Young Muff are great series and actually getting better which is more than you can say for the competition. Based on the last couple from Dane, they're down the toilet; Barely Legal seems to be petering out due to lack of ideas and the use of Euro-whores; Filthy First Timers was never much good; and MDD and Ed just can't seem to get the idea that we don't want to see EVERY unmarried mother in CA. RSM still has the occasional cutie pie but Witrock is very irritating.
Asshole Andy has it's moments too but the caveat is that the guy takes himself too seriously and could become as annoying as some of the other auteurs.
The biggest problem with Extreme...well, maybe just one of the major problems...is that in their other lines they keep recycling the old biddies. Come on. Kristi Myst, she's been around almost as long as Nina Hartley, hasn't she? Jessica Darlin', class of '94 or seems it. Barrett Moore never had a welcome to begin with. There might occasionally be one girl in the movie I might if pushed, put up with but I wouldn't rent anything with these oldies.
Steve Seidman writes: Patrick I love some of your reviews but the latest comments on the Extreme line make me laugh. Dane to me still puts out some of the best vignettes in the business quality with good plots and some of the fresh new talent in porn is there. Ass-Hole Andy can be quite obnoxious but that's the point and is one of the more enjoyable series put out. Agreed Extreme does over use some of its ladies but they seem to get some of the fresher girls. Once again as I've reviewed many times Dane is one of the best and Don Marque works his butt off to get some of the best plots in the business.
Lynne writes: Is there anything Pat Riley doesn't have an exclusionary opinion on? Maybe there should just be a Pat Riley newsgroup, in which everyone who posts agrees with Pat Riley about everything and already knows everything Pat Riley knows.... It would be great if Luke could take all the "What Ever Happened To" questions, but he's too lazy to look for the answers. And the important newbie questions, like "who is the brunette in the second scene in XXX," for those who happened into a great compilation at their local store, and want more of what made them hard the first time... When RAME first started, I worked for people who FORBADE me to speak publicly about pornography. Later, when I worked for myself, I explored the newsgroup a bit, but never felt drawn to post there. Now I know why...I DON'T AGREE WITH PAT RILEY ON ANYTHING!!!!
I'm reading through the Eric Danville book and I have these thoughts.
On the first page of the Introduction, Danville writes that his book "isn't the place to find "the truth" about what Linda says." Why not? Because "No one knows the truth about what happened between Linda Lovelace and Chuck Traynor."
Well, I disagree. I think we can get a pretty good idea of the truth through the same methods that we use to solve similar questions. For instance, how credible is Linda Lovelace? She's published four books about her life, and given Danville a long interview, and she consistently contradicts herself and makes unbelievable claims.
Chuck Traynor is certainly a rough man, and a misogynist, but his story about Linda has at least been consistent.
I think I do a pretty good job of piercing to the truth of Linda's life in my biography of her.
Eric writes that Linda is "the woman without whom there wouldn't be a porn industry." Baloney. If Linda had never done porn, the porn industry would not have been much affected.
I do agree with Eric that Linda Lovelace is porn's biggest star, by virtue of the fact of her starring the in the biggest and most successful porn film of all time - Deep Throat.
Eric's book reads well and it is far and away the most comprehensive one published yet on Lovelace.
Danville writes: "Linda Lovelace did more to create a safe working atmosphere than any of the feminists who co-opted her public image..." It's questionable that either did much on this score.
Danville begins chapter one with a sharp observation - it wasn't Linda's talent for fellatio that created her fame, but more the need of the news media for things new and exciting to write about.
Eric reviews 69 of the most significant articles about Linda and Deep Throat, beginning with Al Goldstein's famous June 5, 1972 review "Gulp," which doesn't mention Lovelace by name.
In the September 1, 1972 edition of Women's Wear Daily, journalist Rosemary Kent writes the first mainstream profile of Lovelace, entitled "Linda and her magic larynx."
Producer Lou Peraino says: "She's a weird chick. Linda can be very difficult. She always has to have her boyfriend hanging around with her."
Lovelace describes herself as a "simple girl who likes to go to swinging parties and nudist colonies."
Goldstein interviewed Lovelace for the October 9, 1972 issue of Screw, asking her,"Would you give head to an animal?" After the talk, Al got a free blowjob from Linda. Goldstein's partner Jim Buckley took photos of the act which appeared in the pages of Screw for years to come.
A 48-page speciality magazine entitled "Linda Lovelace: The Star Of Deep Throat" appeared in late 1972 or early 1973. The anonymous author writes: "When Linda and Chuck first came to New York and took up a place at the Loew's Motor In, I shot her right away. She wasn't into drugs at all, which seemed kinda funny since everybody else was. She was lots of fun... She's a kick off-screen, a sexy kid with no hang-ups about sex... She is pretty much what you saw in the flick [Deep Throat]."
In the February 19, 1973 issue of Screw, Al Goldstein breaks the news about Linda's dog movie. He screened the loop at the home of his friend, maverick publisher Lyle Stuart. Entitled "Dog f---," it is "a 400-foot color rendition of a love affair between Linda and a beige mongrel. Unlike the famous Lassie series, this flick transcends mere petting and foreplay and breaks into virgin ground as Linda gets f---ed by the rather inept and poorly coordinated mutt. The highlight of this tale of bestiality takes place when Linda starts lapping the pooch's ugly red cock. At this point most of the audience left and only three animal lovers were left to view this pecular porn."
Linda appears in the April 1973 Playboy in the soft light photography of Richard Fegley.
On June 25, 1973, Screw published its "The Untold Linda Lovelace" issue. Danville writes: "[T]he dirty tricks the mag plays upon its former Golden Girl include letting on about her urination film and silicone injections and printing her real name."
Al Goldstein writes: "Linda...refuses to admit that which made her famous - her wide-eyed, enthusiastic cockscuking, sodomy and embracing of all that's sexual. Before you know it, I'm sure Linda will be the anti-porn crusader for the Catholic Church and Morality in Media. Stranger things have happened."
Screw reporter Bruce David writes about attending with Goldstein the Inside Linda Lovelace (her first autobiography) press conference where Goldstein asked Linda if she'd ever had sex with a dog. Al was thrown out.
David works today at Larry Flynt Publications where he's known for his vicious temper and tantrums that include pounding the walls and throwing things.
In the August issue of Bachelor magazine, Lovelace claims that her bigger breasts are because of hypnotism, not silicone injections.
In the September 1973 Playboy, Linda brags: "Nobody plans my life for me. I've been with my manager Chuck [Traynor] for a very long time, and we do have an open relationship."
By the end of 1973, Lovelace quit giving interviews to porn magazines, so could become the "Shirley Temple of sex." (Playboy, 12/74)
In its February 13, 1974 issue, Variety writes: "Deep Throat Part II is in the shoddiest of exploitation film traditions, a depressing fastbuck attempt to milk a naive public. Audience ire is likely to be aroused.
"Amateur-night quality...from truly awful performances from Lovelace and a cast of N.Y.-based hardcore regulars, through [director Joe] Sarno's hackneyed script and direction to a number of raunchy tunes on the soundtrack, all keyed to remind viewers that the leading lady can do something special, even if she can't do it with an R rating.
"La Lovelace can do one thing, but she doesn't do it in this pic. In fact she doesn't do much of anything but mug as she stumbles through a witless plot about espionage and randy psychiatrists."
Porn star Ruby writes: Luke, I don't think that Linda will ever admit to any fascination with bestiality. I find it funny that everything that women think is erotic is against the law to film. Women frequently have fantasies that are shocking and threatening to men, such as fisting, bestiality, and rape. Women fantasize about things such as rape because it absolves them of any responsibility for the sex act. It's that whole " He made me.", thing. I think it's a shame that Linda was abused, however, it was NOT the responsibility of the industry to know that, and save her. I've seen girls you know are getting the s--- beat out of them, and if you try to help they don't appreciate it. Linda shouldn't blame the industry she should blame her abuser. And let me just say if I'm over 50 and I can't get laid as much as I want, you best believe I'll be raising Great Danes babe!!! Ruby P.S. Read Nancy Friday's books on womens' sexual fantasies. "Women On Top"," My Secret Garden", "Forbidden Flowers".
Linda Lovelace Special On Luke F-rd Live
Luke asks Eric Danville: "Do you believe that Linda Lovelace was coerced to do that doggie video or do you think she did it voluntarily?"
Eric: "I had a conversation with her one night when we were talking about what was going to be in the book... When I first told her about the book, the only thing... She never asked to see it before I finished it. She never asked for any sort of approval. The only thing she ever asked for me to do was to not print the picture of her and the dog.
"I had no intention of putting that picture in anyway. I also told her that I would not mention her maiden last name in the book. And her maiden last name is nowhere in this book and neither is the name of her kid."
Luke says: Linda's maiden name is Boreman and I did find it in the book, in the testimony section.
Luke: "Eric, do you believe that Linda did the dog voluntarily or was she coerced?"
Eric: "We got into a big conversation one night about what was going to be in the book. I told her it was going to be everything, all her 8mm films. She said, 'All of them?' And I knew what she meant. And I said, 'I have to mention that. One, because I'm a journalist. Two, working in this industry where everyone knows about it. It's the one thing that everyone knows about you.' So we started talking about it. And she broke down into tears. I have not seen a person cry like that. It was amazing. If that is any indication of whether she did it voluntarily, I would have to say no. But I can't know that. But it affected her very deeply and it affected her very deeply and very badly."
Luke: "Her tears are no indication of anything."
Eric: "There were two of them. One was called "Dog One," and "Dog f---er.""
Luke: "Eric, how many of your punches did you have to pull to get Linda's cooperation with this book?"
Eric: "None. She never asked to see any of it beforehand."
Jim: "Eric expressly said that she [Linda Lovelace] don't like you."
Eric: "She saw you on E! True Hollywood Story. And that's what I meant in my email."
Eric writes Luke: "dude, let's see if you know the meaning of these three words: NOT FOR PUBLICATION! you show up on E! knowing full well that you know nothing about linda. you acknowledge everyone else on the show but me. and you swipe my interview for your site to make it seem like you DO know something about linda. would it KILL you to put a link to my site, or am i too much competition for you? eric The Complete Linda Lovelace."
Eric: "He [Luke] was totally magnanimous. By the time I got home, there was a link to my site."
Luke: "I was upset. He dissed me. And I've been nice to him. What did Linda say about my appearance on E!?"
Eric: "You were talking about her spiral of drug abuse and this that and the other. And what she was like in high school. And you've never met her. And you come across on this show like you've done all this heavy duty research. And I know exactly where you got every quote in your profile on her. The hagged hound you got from Jim Holliday's Only The Best where Jim Holliday is wrong about what year they came out and that they are not available on videotape. All those movies are available on videotape. That's how I got them. The dog movie is the most circulated one of them all."
Luke: "I interviewed Jim Holliday on this. He talked to all five people on that dog movie. I've also interviewed Eric Edwards and people who worked with her in New York in the early '70s."
Eric: "She only did eight [8mm] movies. The only two guys she f---ed on film in those 8mm movies were Eric Edwards and Chuck Traynor. And the three chicks were Eric Edwards' wife, Joyce, and Cricket, some chick they picked up."
Jim: "Eric tried to come back as a director recently and it didn't go too well for him."
Luke: "Nobody can back up this woman's claims that guns were put to head to make her do pornography."
Eric: "Gloria Leonard ought to listen to this part of the archives. I've known a couple of chicks who've been in relationships like that. I went out with a girl in high school who went out with a guy who did a lot of the same things that Traynor did to Linda. It doesn't happen in front of people. It happens when they're alone. He's not going to beat the s--- out of her in front of a whole bunch of people and literally putting a gun up to her head. That takes place when they're alone and he can instill that fear into her and yeah, I believe that's what I did."
Luke: "Yeah, I believe he knocked her around. Everyone believes she was knocked around. The main point is, was she coerced, with a gun put to her head, to make Deep Throat and these pornographic movies."
Eric: "People take the phrase, 'Gun to the head,' a little too literally."
Luke: "She chose to be in a sado-masochistic relationship like many girls."
Eric: "When it comes to a point that a woman doesn't want to be in that relationship, it's not always very easy to get out of it. Nicole Simpson is a very good example of that. The girl I went out with in high school was a very good example of that. She was scared of getting away from the guy because she knew that he would just follow her whereever she went. He followed her down to our college one time and he was sitting in the lobby waiting for her. It can take two-and-a-half years to get away from someone like that."
Luke: "It doesn't take two-and-a-half years. It takes a little self drive and discipline to make a phone call."
Eric: "By the time you realize that you're into a relationship like that, and that you're not really into it, every bit of self esteem and courage that you have has been beaten out of you. My girlfriend told me that she was walking down the street with this guy. And she's standing on curb side. A truck is coming along. He pushes her in front of the truck but holds on to her jacket and pulls her back. And she was like, 'Why don't you just get it over with? Just f---ing do it.' And that affected me. She was also the chick I was with when I saw Deep Throat for the first time.
"It was very odd. Then when I started reading more of Linda's interviews and interviews with people around her, I started thinking more about that. Maybe there is something to this. I think that a lot of people in the adult business have a problem with her because she implicates everybody in the business, even 30 years down the line, with what happened to her. Which is not the case at all."
Jim: "That's just a bitter woman."
Luke: "Eric, you know this woman Linda Lovelace better than any other adult journalist. How much credibility do you give her?"
Eric: "I give her a lot of credence. She could've kept on making movies. She was the biggest thing in porn at that time. She could've been like Annie Sprinkle and kept on going for 20 years. She did the second version of Deep Throat and got out of it. There was no amount of money that would keep her in the business."
Jim: "Eric, did you get to know Linda in a Biblical sense?"
Eric: "No. I don't have sex anymore. I'm married."
Jim: "Is she sexy?"
Eric: "That's the weird thing. She is really sexy in person. She smells really nice."
Jim: "Luke believes that to be a true journalist, you have to know your subjects from the inside out. Eric, does she own a dog?"
Eric: "No. When I finally found her in the [Denver] airport, and she took me back to her apartment. I was sitting next to and she's 51 years old. And I'm thinking, 'This is Linda Lovelace. This is really bizarre.' And the thing I was thinking most of the time was, 'This chick can suck a really big dick and get them all the way down.' The whole time I've been dealing with her, I've been dealing with Linda, and not Linda Lovelace.
"The first time I saw Linda Lovelace come out was when she did the shoot for Leg Show magazine. She's posing and all done up in really nice evening gowns and corsets and crap like that. And there was a point where the photographer tells her to do something with her hands and she just starts posing like in Vogue. And I go, 'Oh my God, turn the camera on the chick and she becomes Linda Lovelace.'"
Jim: "They don't forget how to do that. It's like riding a bicycle. A couple of years ago, a friend asked me to supervise an ADR session (Dialogue Replacement) for Highlander. And the actress was Traci Lords. And part of the ADR session was that she had to breathe heavy into the microphone. I almost had to excuse myself and leave the room. She got into that breathing and it was almost like it was a porn set."
Eric: "Traci just did an autographing session out here at the end of March and I hear that she was just a real cunt."
Jim: "She was great with me. I talked to her for about 20 minutes. I didn't tell her about what I really do for a living. But I did hear from other people that she could not be so sweet."
Eric: "I heard that she was really rude to the fans."
Jim: "Do you think that Linda is a lonely person?"
Eric: "Yeah. She has very few friends who are genuine friends. It's sad to see. I've spoken to several of her friends. When she moved into her apartment complex, she didn't go up to people and say, 'I used to be Linda Lovelace.' She didn't tell anyone that. When people eventually found out, they would pull her aside... And they'd be incredulous. Because she's a very sweet lady. She's not what you'd think - a bitter grizzled ex-porn chick, especially with the reputation she's got."
Luke: "Eric, how many porn stars have you had sex with?"
Eric: "None."
Luke: "Did they shoot Deep Throat 2 as hardcore?"
Eric: "Yes, they [Bryanston Films and Damiano Films] shot it as hardcore and then they edited it down to R. And most of the footage disappeared and somebody told me that the guy who allegedly stole it was dealt with [killed]."
Luke: "Eric, what role do you think the Mafia plays in the pornography business?"
Eric: "These days? Probably as big a role as they play in waste removal and the garment district and all over the place. I have no interest in the Mob because it's not news that they have their hands in everything. The fact that the Mafia controls magazine distribution is not a secret. Nobody gives a s---. Though I think that it is very interesting that guys like Luke and my friend Legs McNeil have a total hardon for the f---ing Mafia. It's just another thing that doesn't interest me."
Luke: "Why doesn't it interest you?"
Eric: "Because they're all over the place and everyone knows it. There's no story there."
Jim: "It's just a bunch of businessmen trying to make a living like anyone else. When crime ceases to be organized, we'll have anarchy, and then we're in big trouble."
Eric: "Oh, I'm sure."
Jim: "I think that organized crime provides a great service to the world."
Eric: "They dress well. They look really good. And face it, everyone loves the f---ing Mob because those guys are f---ing cool."
Luke: "I'm an anti-Mafia crusader."
Eric: "Sometimes you just have to lay the f--- off [a story about organized crime] because bad things are going to happen to you. And I would hate for that to happen to Luke."
Luke: "Would you really?"
Eric: "Of course I would. Even though I don't like many of the things you do. You're so entertaining at times."
Luke: "What's your stand on publishing porn stars real names?"
Eric: "I don't think it is a good idea. That's one of the issues I have with you. Their whole fan base is people who can become badly obsessed. A lot of people, porn stars or not, have had situations in their lives where people have gotten a little too much information about them."
Eric published this Linda Lovelace book himself. "I'm five digits in debt with this thing. I got turned down by four printers for this, people suggested to me by other people in adult publishing."
Luke: "Eric, was your printer mob related?"
Eric: "Of course. They all are."
Luke: "Do you think that Penthouse publisher Bob Guccionie is associated with the Mafia?"
Eric: "I don't think he's part of the Mafia. I don't think he's a known associate."
Luke: "Do you think he's an unknown associate?"
Eric: "I think he works in a business in a city where the Mob is all over the place. I'm not going to say that my boss is in the Mob. No."
Jim: "Luke, other people in this world have to make a living. Pissing everybody off is not the way to do it."
Eric: "I can just see the headline tomorrow, 'Penthouse Forum Staffer Claims Guccionie Is Member Of Mafia.'"
Jim: "Luke delights in getting people into trouble. In this show, I have not mentioned the name of Sin City or Michael Raven once. But Luke tries to create hostility, to distort things I've said, and cause a thing between me and Michael. But there's no problem at all. Luke delights in creating misery in other people's lives. You know why? Because his life is so miserable."
Eric: "Luke is a brilliantly and beautifully complex conflicted man."
Jim: "No, he's a pathetic miserable human being. And he delights in bringing other people to the same level of misery."
Luke: "Eric, what do you think of Adult Video News?"
Eric: "I think it is really good for what you and me use it for."
Jim: "Next to the toilet bowl."
Eric: "Holding up the third leg of my table. But I think it has a little too much of a stranglehold on advertising. I would like there to be an alternative magazine. You've really got to hand Fishbein credit for the idea [of a porn trade magazine]. It was genius."
Danville writes: "Linda Lovelace did more to create a safe working atmosphere than any of the feminists who co-opted her public image..." It's questionable that either did much on this score.
Lynne writes: To the contrary, Linda Lovelace did a lot of damage to the adult industry which provided, on the whole, at least as safe a place for women to work as any other contemporary business. Linda's contention that women were coerced into porn as an excuse for her own embarrassment and shame created a mythology that took spokespeople like Gloria Leonard and Bill Margold years to dispel. I never saw anyone forced to make commercial porn. The companies I worked with in the mid-to late seventies demanded proof that adult models were eighteen years of age, because otherwise the contracts they signed to release their images were invalid. I was treated with respect by all the photographers and magazine people with whom I worked. Even S&M or bondage material was clearly and carefully staged, unlike today, where women are actually slapped around, gagging during fellatio and generally treated roughly by certain producers (whom we all know...)
Suggestions For RAME
I found this discussion about the premier porn newsgroup rec.arts.movies.erotica on alt.cult-movies.erotica.
Frank Simns, RAME moderator, writes: > The dozen or so chronic complainers would be overjoyed, and >the rest of the RAME community would get so disgusted with the tone of the >group that they would abandon RAME. The moderator crackdown that started long >before I became a mod happened because the mods were receiving numerous >complaints and losing posters. We don't want less "work" - we want more posts, >more posters, and more *civil* discussion. Turning RAME into another group >where a few regulars shut up everyone else and only discuss things within their >own circle does *not* contribute to that. If we did what Torris wants, RAME >would become ACME without the spam - a newsgroup where the same half dozen >people bitch and moan about everyting under the sun; while the rest of the >community abandons it for "fairer pastures".
Pat Riley responds: So Frank if that's true explain why we get civilized discussions in alt.home.repair and misc.consumers.frugal-living each of which have about two or three times the number of daily postings that rame does. Sure there's off-topic stuff--although it's hard to be off topic on frugal-living--and the occasional passionate exchange including words like "asshole" and "moron" but by and large people add information they know, ask questions, reply, and generally discuss things calmly. No moderation.
Trolls and spam generally get a sharp rebuke from the regulars and the rest of us ignore them.
I'll answer some of my own questions.
Spam is not nearly the same problem because of the sucker factor (or consumer naivete) in porn. Try to sell some home improvement product and ten people will tell everyone how lousy it is. Try too hard and you'll be reported to your ISP which actually works there because the only likely spammers are real companies, not the porn slime. So Porn needs a SPAMBOT.
There are far more infantile people in the porn community who think there's nothing funnier than provoking a long argument to which they have little to contribute. The people on frugal living and home repair are more mature, most of the latter consisting of home owners who have neither the time nor inclination to troll. In real life they take a dim view of things like ordering a pizza to be sent to someone else's house.
Personally I vote for establishing several classes of rame posters: those that have been around a long time (including people I disagree with) and the lurker/dive-bomber. Basically you shouldn't moderate/censor the first group at all; perhaps a gentle nudge is sufficient from time to time. The second you vet with a fine toothcomb, especially for trolls, name changes, banality, and hidden spam. I've said before, and I'll say it again: it's better to have a few well-thought out posts even if slightly off topic and occasionally heated than the never-ending round of Peter North's ejaculatory prowess (tell them PN is impotent due to too much jacking off), WEHT (these should be rejected with the standard Jeff Knapp message), How Traci's career is about to take off (when it actually does, wake me up), and Who was the brunette in the second scene of "Broads Who Love Big Black Schlongs #34" (buy the f---ing original tape; compilations are for losers).
