Friday,
February 2nd, 2001
Fridays With Rob And Jim
A young man. Two hefty men. And life's greatest lesson.
It's Fridays with Jimmy DiGiorgio and Robbie Spallone.
Our story's all about love and forgiveness.
Jim: "You're girlfriend Kendra was just over here. We just shot your girl f---ing another girl with a strap-on."
Rob: "And do you know what she was saying as she was pumping the other girl, 'How's that feel, Luke?'"
Luke: "Do you have any enemies?"
Rob: "Yes. I'm looking for Ari. Some guy that robbed me. I gave him masters. He was supposed to pay the next day. Drop off the money to my mother because I was leaving for Florida. He never paid me. He called me two weeks later and said he needed ten more days. He called me a month later and said he needed ten more days. Then he heard I was back in town. So he called me up and said 'I couldn't do anything with the masters. I'll have to give them back to you.' I said, "You had them for four months, you little f---ing Jew. I'll kill you.'
"A little young Israeli guy. He works out of his little f---ing car. I met him at Sin City. I'm going to choke him. He's a friend of Ari at Sin City.
"You can put up there also that Peter Davy better get in touch with Rob Spallone. I spoke to him last week and he never got back to me."
Luke: "He owes you money."
Rob: "Yeah, he owes me a few dollars.
"And Damien Michaels too. I hear that he's living with Captain Bob some place in Topanga. You wait till I get my hands on him. I'll make him into a cigarette butt. You want to smoke him?"
Luke: "Rob, in case Damien reads my web site, what would you like to communicate to him?"
Rob: "He has about another week to live. So he should enjoy it as much as he can."
Luke: "Are you going to shorten his life."
Rob: "Yes."
Luke: "Why?"
Rob: "He's already dead. He just hasn't lain down yet."
Jim: "He's like dead man walking. Just nobody told him."
Rob: "Nobody told him that he was dead yet."
Here some more highlights from Luke F-rd Live Tuesday night.
Read the chat here, it's the best part of the show. Kevin Blatt fought with Andy Edmond (kbfool).
Rodger Jacobs: "I don't see the point of Gene Ross's attacks on the integrity of Adult Video News and Paul Fishbein, because AVN is a trade publication. It exists to serve the industry...
"After 15 years of working at AVN, and job prospects [for porn journalists] are grim, Gene [should not have] ratted out Paul Fishbein... There's self loathing going on with Gene Ross that drove him to attack Paul.
"Trade magazines operate differently than consumer oriented publications. Trade magazines have a highly concentrated controlled circulation, meaning they go out free to the members of the industry they cover."
We then talked about f---PaulFishbein.com, which aims to humiliate Wicked, Vivid and AVN.
Jim: "Shouldn't Luke get residuals from all these guys? Didn't Luke start the humiliate the porn industry instinct? Isn't he the father of it?"
Rodger: "The hypocrisy... GeneRoss.com was initially put up as an antidote to Luke."
Jim: "Luke's not really the Walter Winchell of porn because Walter Winchell made a lot of money. Walter Winchell leaned on a lot of people. If you wanted Walter Winchell to not write something negative about you, you have to line his pockets... Luke ain't smart enough to do that. He ain't smart enough to send the story to the person it's about, before he prints it, and say, you know, $300 in my pocket could kill this story. Luke could be the best extortionist in this business but he doesn't have the extortionist frame of mind."
Rodger speaks quietly.
Jim: "Rodger, are you some place wher you can't talk? Are you sitting in Paul Fishbein's office?"
Luke: "Rodger, how do you think this will end up?"
Rodger: "With a drive by shooting?"
Jim: "It would be a great TV movie."
Luke: "Seriously, how will this end up?"
Rodger: "With Gene Ross unemployed... I question how employable the guy is. And porn journalism is a limited market."
Luke: "What do you think of Tod Hunter's Insideadult.com?"
Rodger: "I read it every day. It's sanitized but it's ok."
Jim: "I think he's trying to get a job with Variety or the Hollywood Reporter. He spends more time talking about mainstream than porn. And I'm sure that a lot of people appreciate knowing when the next Doris Day film retrospective will be."
Rodger: "Hey, there are a lot of closeted Doris Day fans in porn."
Jim: "Did you notice that the movies that Tod likes are the movies that the gay guys like? If he starts pushing Judy Garland on everybody or Bette Midler, we will know which way he leans.
"Rodger, are you writing your scripts with the Cambria List in mind?"
Rodger: "I keep a copy of the Cambria List right above my desk."
Jim: "You look up and double check that you're not violating the list.
"That Michael Raven must have juice [if his recommendation got Ezra Red that directing gig for Wicked]. I remember when Michael Raven was a suitcase pimp. He came into town with Sydney. He was on one of my sets. I shot Sydney. And I had to keep sending him away all the time because every time he'd step on to the set, the scene that Sydney was involved in got really tepid. Then we got rid of him. And then she'd really go at it. Then he'd come back and she'd slow down and act like she wasn't really enjoying it. And now he's a big deal.
"Gene Ross was quiet for a while. But now he comes back anonymously [with f---PaulFishbein.com]. Something they bag other people for all the time. And I don't disagree... And if it is true that Gene Ross is behind that site, then he's a hypocrite.
"My uncle used to tell me that it takes three things to kill a man. A gun, a bullet and balls. And without the balls, the gun and the bullet don't matter. You have to have the balls to pull the trigger."
[Luke: We don't know that Gene is behind f---PaulFishbein.com, it just looks like it.]
Jim: "Luke is more on Sin City's payroll than he is on Vivid's or anyone else's."
Kevin Moore: "Exactly. And I'll be honest with you, Luke. I've heard from people within Sin City. That you and [David] Sturman have a very good relationship."
Jim: "Yeah, he [Sturman] writes him checks."
Kevin: "Yeah, that you leave Sturman alone and he gives you all the dirt."
Jim: "I was at Sin City today and their web site [SinCityVideo.com] is kicking butt."
Kevin: "Yes it is. Alien convinced me to sign up for their program and converts better than Vivid."
Jim: "Let me tell you, they struggled for years. They changed the name of their web site a couple of times. They couldn't get anyone to hit on that web site."
Kevin: "And it's beautiful now. It's a great site."
Jim: "Yep. They finally went to Luke. Luke's the hit man. You want hits on your site. Go to Luke."
Kevin: "You're right. He made Gene Ross.
"I think that whole snapshot of the email [on f---PaulFishbein.com] is bogus."
Jim: "Yeah, that would be hard to create."
Kevin: "I think it's weird that Gene had it up [on GeneRossExtreme.com about f---PaulFishbein.com] pretty quickly."
Then Lee Noga joined us.
Lee: "I've been trying to get the skinny on Andy Edmond."
Luke: "He's out at Flying Crocodile."
Lee: "Do you know why? I understand that he's delving back into his drug phase and is a little delusional as a side effect. He can't differentiate between fact and fiction. And he was just driving things into the ground and causing an obstacle to the growth of Flying Crocodile.
"The payments to Rick Muenyong [from the sale of YNOT] are going to have to be much lower..."
Luke: "Will Rick come back in a meaningful way?"
Lee: "I don't know why because he's not really meaningful [to porn] anymore. He's out to pasture. The internet moves so quickly that you can get out of the game very quickly.
"My biggest fear is that Andy will take this hiatus behind the scenes and become an anonymous poster, a very sharp, pointed nasty poster. He might be a threat working with authorities giving them misinformation. And be vindictive.
"I heard there were people who owed RJB Telcom money. Thought they were gone. And aren't paying RJB... And that hampers them."
Luke: "Richard and Robert Botto are savvy operators. They don't mouth off and make unnecessary enemies."
Lee: "They are sensitive people. Their emotions are real. They feel. They get hurt. I hurt them inadvertently. And that was pointed out to me at the January show. Didn't know I did it. I thought it was great given all that's happen to them they could take that two seconds and say, 'Hey Lee, you hurt my feelings.' On a simple two sentence post I wrote on Netpond. That tells you that their thumb is on the pulse and they're not bitter people."
Howard Stern's Secret Mikes Pick Up Paul Fishbein, Nikki Fritz, Julia
What's missing from the February 2001 AVN magazine?
Joner1: ok.this is about the feb 2001 issue of AVN...
Joner1: I noticed something...something missing.
Joner1: Stern..paul [Fishbein] and AVN..the early years...wouldnt there
be some nice fun juicy info in that area that extends itself to the
current days events....
Joner1: did you ever hear paul on WNBC with stern?...would you liek
tapes of those shows?.
Joner1: paul bringing girls onto teh stern show?....ala nikki fritz
etc?
Joner1: oh how things change but remain the same...... ;-)
Joner1: OH BTW-- about paul and nikki on the stern show appearance....boy
t sure is funny what those behind teh scenes cameras at teh stern show
can pick up....they have some powerful microphones mounted ontop of
those handhelds..... ;-) Joner1: luke....great audio..... ;-)
Joner1: ...talk about hotels?...rooms?....activities?.
Joner1: nikki?....julia?.......paul?.others>?
Joner1: ..talk about a lot of things.....fun stuff.
Joner1: ..julia's not as smart as she appears?..is she?...or isnt she?....who
knows. ;-)
Joner1: silent paul just grimaces and points out his commands...like
a master to his dogs...
Joner1: ask kendra about mike gange....and his camera at teh stern show....she
knows the set up over tehre. |
Joner1: ask mike south about the mobile cams at the stern show...
Joner1: i guess that you're not interested in this stuff......i thought
that you's love it and be all over it...oh well.. you have my email
addresses....let me know if you change your mind about the paul/nikki
audio stuff.
Joner1: about an hours worth of audio....and some video.
Joner1: the stuff after the stern interview is classic...a pissed off
paul.
Joner1: and paul isnt normally like that
Joner1: a pissed nikki is classic.
Joner1: remember juliet and nikki kissed in the hallway after the show.
Joner1: what happened after all of that?
Joner1: the cameras were still running.the mikes were still HOT...
Joner1: just becauee the cam is pointing away.the mike still picks up
background audio..
Joner1: people talking....complaining...
Luzdedos1: so what did they find?
Joner1: people making plans for later in teh day.
Luzdedos1: complaining about what? what was paul pissed about?
Joner1: paul wasnt too happy with the way teh interview came off..
Joner1: some of the topics taht came up.
Joner1: what was discussed?.sex?....money....kids?...sex?....mob involvement
in the porn biz etc?
Joner1: the stern interview was cool..tamed.but still paul was squirming...stern knew where to end teh interogation. Joner1: im getting ims from people about your site Joner1: asking me for info about the audio Joner1: LUKE....why did you use my name?.... Joner1: damn..you are something else. Joner1: i try to help you and you shove s--- right back down my throat. Joner1: i take back my wishing youa nic eweekend.because you just made my upcoming weekdend soemkinda hell. Luzdedos1: why? Joner1: after all the troubkle i got into last time.now this?...thanks alot luke... Joner1: why what?.... Joner1: you used my name on your site?..thanks.. Luzdedos1: what ar you blaming me for? you emailed that to everybody, i was prepared to keep your name out of it, YOU INSISTED ON EMAILING IT AROUND Joner1: i aksed you not to didnt i?.you agreed? Luzdedos1: yes, then you emailed it to everybody under the sun Joner1: you didnt leave that part in did you?..selective edit? Joner1: well.you didnt reply?.i didnt think that you cared... Luzdedos1: because you went back on your word, you originally wantd out of it, THEN YOU CHOSE TO SPAM it around Joner1: luke..dont assume that i sent that email out to everyone.. Luzdedos1: i saw the big long CC list on there Joner1: luke....that was a potential list..not trhe actual list Joner1: check the addresses Joner1: damn luke....... Joner1: quite a situation... Joner1: now i'll have to deal with stuff from my end....damage control. Joner1: im just glad that itll be a slow weekend...next week the storm will come. Joner1: im NOT supposed to be talking to you..... Joner1: i was warned and asked not to. Joner1: people dont like you for some reason. ;-) Joner1: luke...it wouldnt be nice if i sent that IM around..asking you not to use my name.but then showing how you went ahead and use it anyhow.. Joner1: the original version.not your edit Joner1: great.....now im getting calls about this...its funny who reads your site Joner1: how quickly word spreads.....like wild fire... Joner1: damn...im in trouble...oh well..time to haul out some ammo. Joner1: luke....note the dates.and the release time.. Joner1: happy valentines day. ;-) Luzdedos1: dates for what? Joner1: valentines day is coming up....who loves who?. Luzdedos1: who are you anyway, who has the power to tell you who you can talk to? Joner1: or maybe its just black history month...who knows? Joner1: just the power of various associations. Joner1: ..connections. Luzdedos1: dates and release time for what? Joner1: kenrda knows who i am.ask her Joner1: dates and release time for certain information about certain peoples.
Jenna Jameson Looks Great
Meni writes: Luke, as you know, a lot of people talk about Jenna's appearance. The girl is 26, not 18 anymore, everyone can't expect her to stay that same little girl they saw in Randy West. As for her voice, on the Stern show, you try staying up all night and smoke a pack of cigs. Check her out on Stern's show when the episode airs. She looks great.
Jenna says: "I've had my nose done once.... And that was to correct my accident when I broke it"
Mr Marcus Resonds To Paul Cambria Interview
Mr Marcus writes Luke: Thanks for the interview with Mr.Cambria, he seemed to be saying that even though no one had actually "admitted it" or said out right they were going to prosecute for interracial tapes, he assumed they would based on the subjects he saw a presumed view. Therefore it was an opinion and a suggestion that it should be included on the list, to me that case is still not proven it is not fact. Let these courts say were going to prosecute for these interracial tapes. Then we/I challenge that. If no one ever admitted it out loud, then how can they prosecute on something that was never said or never admitted too? It would be clearly racist to do so, it would seem easy to challenge, that even though someone was offended, it didn't make or doesn't make it obscene.
The theme black men/white women does not belong on the list it is not obscene or cannot be considered obscene. If so, then is white men/black women considered the same and if it is will it be added to the list of suggestions? I mean guidelines? In the interview he pointed out the South, well s--- expose the South to its self. Let them look clearly at what they want the rest of the country to accept. It's ignorance and rants. It's hatred unresolved.
Educate me more please, I want to understand this. I want a new list with that interracial reference removed. Gone, bad mistake, opps sorry our discriminatory objectives slipped into the list. It has the look and feel of back room s--- and an underground objective. Tell me it aint so or am I asking to much?
Bill Jones writes: Concerning your interview with Paul Cambria you should have gotten his opinions on what he felt might be in store for the internet with a new Atty General at the helm. Did he feel they would go after obscenity on the net the same way they may go after video producers? As far as community standards went what would be construed as the community? The internet as a community which is seen as very liberal? Or would they make a case out of someone viewing the material from some back woods town?
Jim South Warns - Work For Sin City At Your Own Risk
Don Barzini writes: Buono Sera, Signore Luke. I sent one of my crew to sit in at a talent call at World Modeling yesterday. A small, well-organized affair. I'm told some fresh talent were on display. Interestingly, a note was prominently displayed on the wall for all to see and read. In a nutshell, it warned: "TO ALL TALENT: IF YOU WORK FOR SIN CITY, YOU DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK!" Translation--Sin City is remiss in paying World its agency fees. Also, World makes good on bad checks (written to World's clients) from producers. Sin City, apparently, refuses to straighten out any bad checks with World Modeling that were written by SC's producers.
Goddess's Big Schwang Theory
Lynne L-patin: every day I see Luke's work, I am amazed that he continues
to do it....
beccafive: he has to pay the bills. that's pretty good incentive
Lynne L-patin: but he is amazed that I walked away from porn and came
up here and am fighting to do what I am doing, on my own... Yes, but
it all has to come from within...
Lynne L-patin: it would be easier to go to work every day...I find work
easier than school.... beccafive: yeah, but how hard is it to copy and
paste:-) i'd LOVE to have that kind of job. piss people off every day
just for the hell of it.
Lynne L-patin: takes talent that will keep them logging on, day after
day, to see what dirt you've found... beccafive: oh, yeah..talent. ..
you have to aim that mouse just right...AND hit "copy all" at the exact
moment.
Lynne L-patin: and attracting people to send you mail....generating
the hits beccafive: and is that the reason luke POSTS EVERYTHING?! ya
got caught on that one, lynne
Lynne L-patin: i don't love him for his looks, you know beccafive: yeah,
uh-huh...you're masturbating to his brains, i'm sure Lynne L-patin:
I masturbate to his essence....
beccafive: his 5.5" essence, you mean?
Lynne L-patin: I just love him, what can I say?
beccafive: have you ever seen this 5.5" that you're always talking about?
cause if not, i have a theory and i'm gonna write him about it.
Lynne L-patin: I have never seen him naked...not even bare-chested....a
picture of his bare back beccafive: has anybody? Lynne L-patin: in the
movie he directed, a porn girl blew him
beccafive: oh, so you SAW the 5.5"?
Lynne L-patin: no, the camera is aimed at his face
beccafive: he actually got a bj on CAMERA? but it never showed his cock?
Lynne L-patin: never
beccafive: so here's my theory
Lynne L-patin: (heavy breathing...)
beccafive: {stop steaming up my computer screen, lynne} he's making
this whole 5.5" cock thing up. he's probably got a schwang banging up
against his kneecaps! and secretly he's just looking for some woman
to love him for himself. he's feedin' you guys soup!
Lynne L-patin: you are giving me ideas, goddess...ideas that will embarrass
me here in the college library....I'll have to run to the ladies' room,
quick!
beccafive: i'm on to Luke F-rd. he's running a whole big scam on you
chicks!
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Axle writes: Luke. Please consider a prohibition against posting any submissions written in all caps. What a f---in headache.
Al Goldstein Gets Mail
I checked out Al Goldstein's mail bag in his latest AVN.com column and looked for the Jew remarks. Here are some excerpts:
From: Placole@aol.com You are an ignorant piece of s--- and you are going straight to hell. I hope that one of your Kike buddies kill your ass!
From: "wolves3" wolves3@one.net.au You discusting little f---ing JEW. You critisize others yet you lack any morals or values. You and your sick f---ing kind, who run the porn industry must be bulldozed into the ground. The JEW is always at the forfront of depravity and under handed finances. One day your time will come!
Al responds: Dear Nazi wolfpack: Now we're getting somewhere! So I'm "discusting," am I? What the f--- does that mean? Everybody knows dumb krauts like you can't spell, that's why we kicked your ass in two wars. The reason I and my fellow JEWS are "at the forefront of depravity" is because we're at the forefront of EVERYTHING. We have to be, or else pipsqueaks like you will get control of politics, culture, the media and the military again and literally try to "bulldoze" us "into the ground" again, like you did at Auschwitz and Buchenwald. Talk about depraved! f--- you, you inhuman, DISGUSTING (that's it's spelled), racist piece of white dogs---! May a rabid Doberman sink his teeth into your skinny German cock, rip it off at the roots and drop it in the sewer so the rats can finish it off! DIE, NAZI SCUM!!!!
Why Does Pat Riley Have To Be So Mean?
>I don't know why you are so mean regarding the looks/acting ability of the >majority of female pornstars Pat,
Patrick Riley responds on RAME: Imagine that you have a child (you
may have children in which case you don't need to imagine
So you look and you remark, "Not exactly Rembrandt, eh?" or some similar
witticism which results in a long tirade from the aforementioned spinster-in-training
because you did not have the right attitude. You should have said something
more along the lines of, "Oh, isn't that wonderful," even though it's
a piece of crap. It seems that by not lying, you have irreparably damaged
the budding Picasso's future art career and he is now certain to grow
up to become a serial killer (or a raincoater
IOW I don't give a flying f--- if the porn industry operates on a shoestring budget, if the quality girls all turn up their noses when Jim Gunn comes a calling, if all they can get are society's rejects,...etc. I expect the very best of females, the very best of acting, top quality all the way. If I won't give my own children any concession for being five (or whatever the age of kindergarten is) why would you think I would give any to the porn industry or to a porn performer?
It's a damn shame that so many porn reviewers take the attitude that they have to consider the performers feelings--and there are plenty who post on this group too. What they're doing is becoming part of the industry's advertising effort rather than giving the consumer an honest opinion of the absolute quality of the girl (or guy).
OJ Stars In Porno Slasher
From Aint-it-cool.com: Los Angeles- Bold Magazine, a new monthly alternative publication from the Davis Media Group, has included new information about OJ Simpson‚s on screen role in an XXX-rated movie.
According to Bold Magazine's investigation, OJ will receive $1.5 million dollars for the straight to video porn-slasher movie. His sex-crazed character preys on and murders beautiful blonde women. In one scene, OJ slices up a blonde model and murders a male jogger who tries to save her. In the film, Simpson uses date rape drugs and has sex with them according to an earlier report in The Globe last year. There is full frontal nudity and sexual hard core scenes. Simpson has been offered even more money if his sex scenes include full nudity and graphic oral and sexual intercourse not simulated. No word yet if he will do that much....he has his kids to think about watching this stuff, said Michael Davis, 32, Bold publisher.
Bold Magazine has learned that the producers are members of an Asian business consortium with ties to Hollywood. Bold has learned that Simpson was promised that the video and film will not be distributed in the United States.
Jimbo writes: Luke, Ok now let me see if I read this right. The video that O.J. is supposed to be in in the future will not be distributed in the U.S. . Well now would that not just drive the price of it up in the U.S. ? We all know that even though it would not be released here in the U.S. it would reach the black market in the U.S. probably faster than its legal release in another country. Being the journalist that you are Luke why don't you try to contact O.J. directly through the website WWW.ASKOJ.COM . and get the scoop for yourself!
What Do Porn Stars Make?
Nicole writes: Out of curiosity to most of us newbies, I was curious what the "average" pornstar earns per scene. I'm not talking about a Vivid girl, but rather one who works for a smaller production company such as West Coast, Elegant Angel, WildLife or Extreme.
For example, Celestial Productions recently produced "The Oral Adventures of Craven Morehead" with 20 scenes. What does a chick get for a blowjob scene for them or even a "Slap Happy" or "Dr. Fellatio"? Suppose it's a series with penetration using fairly newer girls such as "Down The Hatch" by Diabolic or "Perverted Stories" by JM? Can you tell us how much? And I assume there's no profit sharing in the porn industry (most of these girls probably want their checks right away!
Luke says: Men earn between $200-$500 a scene, and women between $200-$1100 a scene. Blowjob scenes probably earn about $250 for the girl, and about $150 for the guy.
Lynne L-patin: When I was at Zane a few years ago booking blowjob scenes, women made $100 and men made $50...it's still good money for ten minutes actual work, but the waiting around time really messes it up...
February's Porn Star Brothel Schedule
NV Brothels.com reports the following porn starlets will be mingling with fans at Dennis Hof's Bunny Ranch brothel in the month of February: Mila, Ruby, Annie Andersinn, Mel, Tiger J and Dynamite (I thought she said she wouldn't go back on Luke's show?). Call 1-888-BUN-NYRA for details. Competing brothel Miss Kitty's is serving up Jeanie Rivers and Tiana Rose. Book early! Valentine's Day is less than two weeks away!
Analyzing f---PaulFishbein.com
Bob Jones writes: Regarding: Luke says: I understand that the above information links at least some of the emails on f---PaulFishbein.com to Ken Wood's computer. He's the former AVN managing editor who left in June, shortly before Gene Ross's departure to Extreme Associates. If those emails are traced to Wood's computer, that means that some of the emails are legitimate.
Bob writes: The only e-mails that had that stamp on the bottom of them were the ones addressed to you. Those e-mails were uninteresting, except that you would know if they were real or not. This implies that they have, or had, access to Fishbein's e-mails, if you recognize those e-mails as legitimate.
It does _not_ mean that any of the other e-mails, such as the one from Fishbein to Nici@nicisgirls.com is legitimate. In the first place, those earlier e-mails did not have the stamp. Second, even if they did, making fake e-mails like that is very, very, very easy. I could show you how to do it in five minutes.
Only three conclusions should be drawn from the e-mails with the stamp:
1) Whoever owns Mike2-8500 is involved with the site.
2) Because the e-mails were addressed to you, if you recognize them, then these people did have access to Fishbein's e-mails.
3) Whoever put up the website is very, very, very stupid. Extraordinarily stupid, or extraordinarily careless. You should definitely NOT conclude that any e-mails not independently verified (i.e.: addressed to you which your recognize) are legitimate. Posting those e-mails was probably an effort to convince you the others was real; don't be fooled!
On a side note, although I know none of the people involved, one person I can think of engaged in nearly identical idiocy recently: Rob Black, posting a printout of his accounts receivables from a vendor. This was intended to prove that the vendor was a deadbeat (but, a piece of paper can simply be typed up, so it proves nothing) and instead showed only how little business Extreme was doing.
On a second side note, what appears to have occurred is that whoever runs the site acquired at some point a copy of Fishbein's Netscape OUTgoing mail box. No incoming mail to him has been posted. Is this another sign of stupidity by the site's author?
Luke replies: You are right. I now believe that the only legitimate email on f---PaulFishbein.com is the one Paul wrote me in October of 1999, which contained something I wrote him in December of 1998.
I notice that f---PaulFishbein.com has moved to a new address and a new server: http://paulfishbean.tripod.com/
Kevin Moore Of Stunning Curves Uncovers f---PaulFishbein.com
From Stunningcurves.com:
I tracked down the person who owns the machine that runs the Website. For his own safety I’ll simply refer to him as PD. Below are several conversations I had with PD about how exactly his little DSL server has become such a controversy.
Kevin: I was curious about one of the sites you host. The domain is f---paulfishbein.com and resolves to 64.81.143.99, which seems to be your DSL server off of Speakeasy. Are you personally the Webmaster for f---paulfishbein.com?
PD Responds: The site you mention is indeed hosted on this server. It was set up for a person I met on the Internet, through IRC actually, who helped me on some web design issue's. I am not the creator of the site, I actually have no idea exactly what the site you mentioned is about, the porn industry I seem to take from it. I do not make it a habit to check the sites that I host as favors.
I'm currently considering pulling his site from my server, I'm not one for name calling myself, and will definitely pull the site if it is shown that the quite brutal statements have no substance. I’m a web designer and musician myself; I have no stake in some adult movie war.
Kevin says: It seems the Webmaster of f---paulfishbein.com is using PD so that he can hide and remain anonymous. It clearly seems from PD’s statements that this site may not be around much longer.
Gossip
XXX says: "Paul Fishbein's not a very nice person. I never got the sense that this is a warm human being. But of course Gene Ross is more forbidding. A lot of exploitative scumbags in this industry.
"Gene Ross has got to be behind f---PaulFishbein.com. It's a great URL.
"I think AVN feels that they have Ken Wood, Gene Ross and Extreme nailed to the wall. Extreme seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Rob's attitude is so f--- you all. He's a lot of bluster.
"I think Fishbein will swamp them with lawyers and lawsuits. And Extreme won't have the wherewithall to defend themselves. Extreme constantly has these cashflow problems. Many porn outfits do but it is bad at Extreme. They make a lot of money on their tapes but the company is just not run well. It is haphazard and they can't pay people. A few harassing lawsuits from AVN with substantive evidence could do Extreme in."
RM writes: hi am arabian man who has unique sexual power..i can gave sex more than 5 times every day..and each time for more than one hour... i control my cum easily...and i can decide when i want to cum... i can speak 5 lanaguges..arabic english..german..turkisk...russian am thinking seriously to be porn star..and am sure that u have short of arabice movies..and the people in the middle east are ready to pay 20 times much to see arabic movies times much than to see any other american movies and that normal since the arabian porno movies are too rare... if u manage me a job..am ready to work soon..and am good script writer..i know what the people in middle east they like better...am sure u will earn lot of money...by producing arabic porn movies.. tall 178 cm weight 70 kg am look like many of famous actors.. hope to hear from u soon..
Jack Horner writes: Luke: Regarding R.M.'s posting, the gentlemen who seeks parties interested in producing Arabic porn, I must issue this warning: EVERYONE STAY THE f--- AWAY FROM THIS GUY! Pornography is a capital crime in almost all Arabic/Muslim nations. Capital crime as in "punishable by death".
XXX says: "That Arab guy is scary. Yeah, they will pay a lot of money in Islamic nations for porno, as much as $5000 a tape. But if you get caught, you get executed. Caught owning or selling.
"In 1993, there was an Iranian actor popular in the Middle East, who came to the United States to make porn for the Arab market and distributing it on the black market over there. He was a performer and a distributor. And he made good money. He owned a beach house in Malibu. They sent a hit squad after him and killed him in his Malibu house. It got written up big in the Islamic press."
Crescent Guy writes: These guys are right about the anti-porn attitudes of the Middle East. Of course, it varies from country to country with the more fundamentally Islamic states having the most stringent (i.e. capital) punishment for porn distribution. Of course the possession of alcohol in those same countries is also a serious (sometimes capital) crime. I was joking when I said "go for it." Obviously, the concept of Arabic porn is so ludicrous that it is laughable. It's just the second VERY amusing item you've posted on your site in the last 2 days (the first being the Japanese girl who's looking for 9 inch cocks, but NOT to have sex with. Gevalt!...). It would be my guess that this dude is talking about making porn for distribution in the US Arab market, which might actually be substantial, but who knows? Can't they just buy the tapes that are already out there? What's the difference if the dialogue is "Turkik" (as he so eruditely put it) or English? f---ing is f---ing, regardless of language. I haven't found too many undubbed Eurpoean tapes disappointing because I dodn't speak Italian or German or French!
Lynne On Obscenity
Lynne L-patin writes: Luke, I'm pleased to see you're speaking directly with Paul Cambria. He obviously has a good understanding of what is and is not obscene, and recognizes the importance of community standards in establishing obscenity in any given jurisdiction. Next time you speak with him, have him address the concept of "prurient," would you? In my educated opinion, the infamous list breaks down as follows:
Facial cum shots: depends on context. The receiver has to enjoy them or they become prurient. Facial expressions of unhappiness, pain, degradation or disgust: automatic prurience
Bukkake: I love bukkake. As long as everyone is enjoying themself, bukkake is, at worst, merely stupid. (Personally I love receiving facials--not out of degradation, but because I perceive a man's sperm as a joyful sharing of something precious. For those who hate sex, all sex is prurient. Fortunately sex haters make up only a small part of any community, even in the Deep South.)
Spitting or saliva mouth-to-mouth: Since when has drippy French kissing been obscene?
Food used as a sex object: A stupid prohibition...depends on context. Vegetables are a housewife's cheap substitute for expensive sex toys...
Peeing, pooping and squirting (which is urinating): Potty love is immature and therefore prurient.
Coffins: okay in a vampire movie, not okay if representing necrophilia, which is prurient.
Blindfolds: context. A surprise party is fine, but an abduction is not.
Wax drippings: Perceived as painful, hence prurient (even though they aren't, really...)
Two dicks in or near one mouth: Absolutely not prurient! Having two women is a common male fantasy; having two men is a common female fantasy. Live with it, guys.
Stretching pussies: pain and damage. Prurient.
Fisting: see stretching pussies.
Bondage or bondage-type toys or gear unless very light: it either is or it isn't. Fetish clothing has crossed over into fashion, but this isn't what we are talking about. My husband believed with all his heart that all bondage was obscene. I crave domination by a powerful man. Consensual bondage is far more complex than any jury of average people can understand. Probably shouldn't be risked...dammit.
Girls sharing the same dildo in mouth or pussy: what is love if not sharing -- dildos or otherwise?
Hands from two different people fingering the same girl: see two cocks, above.
Male-male penetration: If you can't stand the heat, get the f--- out of the kitchen, and leave the homo sex to homos who have a stake in making sure it remains legal.
She-males: a common gender variant, to be pitied perhaps, but hardly obscene.
Bi-sex: MOST people are bisexual to one degree or another. Bring Kinsey's statistics into court.
Degrading dialogue, e.g. "suck this cock, bitch" while slapping her face with a penis: degrading dialogue is prurient, period, as is slapping her face with anything, from a penis to a flyswatter to the New York Times.
Menstruation topics: since when is, "Not tonight, dear, I just started my period" an obscene statement? Finding menstruation disgusting is a sign of immaturity. Accepting menstruation as part of a woman's unavoidable reality is healthy, not prurient. Why not acknowledge that women are often hornier when menstruating and take advantage of it? Finding menstrual blood arousing is a little strange, but not dangerous, hence not unhealthy...
Incest topics: unhealthy, therefore prurient.
Forced sex, rape themes, etc.: absolutely unhealthy, dangerous and prurient. Men who find hurting women "sexy" are sick f---s and need to be kept far, far away from decent society.
Black men/white women themes: I think Mr. Cambria's discussion of interracial sex should suffice. While interracial sex remains inflammatory to some people, racism is no longer an acceptable community standard, and those people who find interracial sex prurient are not themselves healthy. Why would we want to adopt their standards as to what constitutes acceptable entertainment?
Personally, what I find incredibly arousing i.e., the thought of having sex with Luke F-rd, many people (including Luke F-rd) find absolutely disgusting. That does not mean my fantasies about Luke F-rd are obscene or prurient. No one is hurt by them and they don't compromise anyone else's physical or mental well-being. Nor will anyone use my fantasies about having sex with Luke F-rd as an excuse to do something disgusting other than perhaps barfing all over their keyboard, for which I apologize profusely...
f---PaulFishbein.com
All that stuff on f---PaulFishbein.com about Gene Ross stealing from his family is baloney. That's the decoy move. The oldest trick in the book (saying disparaging things about oneself so that people believe the other bulls--- is true).
f---PaulFishbein.com interweaves a lot of baloney with some perhaps accurate information. It's the first site I check in the morning.
Esad writes: Dear Luke, paul fishbein's partner stu franks is not gay. he is miserable, cranky, unpleasant, but he ain't no turd burglar! Rumor has it that franks had to be restrained from punching out the camera man from The Money Shot at the AVN booth in Las Vegas after the poor guy kept bumping into him while Franks was selling tickets to AVN awards show. the enemies of AVN fear franks alot more than Fishbein who is nothing but a pussy.
Interestingly, the site http://f---paulfishbein.com is distinctly different from http://www.f---paulfishbein.com.
From the site: "as panic really begins to set in about the cambria list, mouthpiece paul cambria flew into town to hold a series of high level meetings at hustler. the great esad's sources tell him that cambria has so far pocketed at least a cool $300,000 grand for himself out of the mess he's created."
Paul Cambria responds: "Completely false on both scores. You would think people would have better things to do than make this crap up. It is totally false."
Paul Cambria Interview
I interviewed noted First Amendment attorney Paul Cambria Wednesday about the so-called "Cambria List."
Luke begins: "Mr Cambria."
Paul: "What possible twist and turn could there be on this conversation? I'm sure that whatever it is will never resemble what it actually was but you said that you'd print it exactly as it comes out, so I will take you at your word."
Luke: "Yes, I will print it word for word. Thank you. It's an honor to speak with you again. When did you come up with these guidelines which have become known as the Cambria List."
Paul: "Well, it's really a misnomer. It's not necessarily guidelines. It's really up to the individual publishers as to what they want to do. The question originally asked of me was, what themes seem to be the ones most frequently selected for prosecution by police and prosecutors. And so I verbally indicated to the particular client [Vivid?] what these themes were. The client elected to type them out and also type out 'Don't put these in any of the movies or boxcovers' or whatever that thing says out there. Now it appears that I created some sort of list and said 'Don't put these on boxcovers or in movies' and it really wasn't that way at all. It was simply a response to a question of what are the favorite themes. And the things on the list are indeed the favorite themes of prosecutors.
"So then, the clients are free to decide whether or not they want to have these subjects in their videos or maybe they only want to have one of these subjects or three of these subjects or none of these subjects. It is up to them. I never at any time said nor would I ever say that I thought that the things on this so-called list were obscene, agains the law, violate community standards or anything else. I would never say that. Especially since I have successfully defended a number of the themes that appear on this so-called list in the past. So it can't be misconstrued.
"I guess the real reason I'm even consenting to discussing it with you, becuase I don't want someone out there to think that I personally think these subjects are obscene. I don't believe that at all.
"If it is anybody's list, it is the police and prosecutor list. It is not the Cambria List."
Luke: "But you were the attorney who culled these?"
Paul: "Not all of them. Some of the things on there I did not come up with. The things that I came up with are the fairly obvious ones. The ones that are most frequently part of the tapes that get prosecuted. The facials and bukkake films and things like that. We see transsexuals...all the time... If there are eight tapes selected for prosecution, you'll see these types of themes in those tapes."
Luke: "Do you know which companies are adopting these guidelines?"
Paul: "I'm not sure if any of the companies are adopting them as guidelines. What companies are doing is taking the information...and then deciding if they are going to run any of this... Some companies, their livelihood is movies like these... Other companies will decide to bypass these themes and do straight features. And other companies may decide that if they incorporate any of these themes into their movies, they may only send them to certain parts of the nation.
"Today's there's this announcement of this Czarina in Utah who'se position was created to eradicate adult material in Utah. There may be some people who don't want to find out [if their material is legal in Utah]. Some people may just say, 'I don't want to litigate. I don't want to be the hero and win a case in court. I just want to avoid it.' And other companies may say, 'Bring it on.'
"That's why it is important that the people out there realize that the companies are going to do a whole combination of different things now that these subjects have been identified. By the way, these subjects have been identified to the companies that I represent for ten years or more."
Luke: "Yes. Is there anything new on this list that hasn't been widely known?"
Paul: "I don't think so either. And it is a little offensive to me for somebody to think that I would come up with a list of things not to do, be a censor. That's the last thing I am. I've spent 27 years defending people charged with First Amendment violations. The last thing I would be is a censor. On the other hand, my clients have a right to know those subjects that are hot topics for prosecutors. Then they make a decision. Do we avoid even being in the hunt or do we jump in with both feet, hire Cambria and beat the thing."
Luke: "How many adult video companies do you represent?"
Paul: "Lots and lots and lots for many many years."
Luke: "Are you personally offended by interracial sex?"
Paul: "Oh no, not at all. That hurt. I try not to let my personal feelings get involved in my professional life. But it hurts my feelings that people would think that I have some sort of aversion to interracial sex whatever the race. That has nothing to do with it. In fact, the record is quite clear that I have challenged prosecutors in the past and accused them of trying to play a race card when we would go into...
"I will give you an example. A couple of years back, we were in a case in Virginia. And there were some videos that they had charged. And a substantial number of them were interracial. And I said to the prosecutor, 'What is this all about? Are you banking on some kind of prejudice? Why these tapes?' Garden variety sex. Nothing particularly out of the ordinary. But the only thing was that they were interracial. 'Are you trying to play a race card here? Obviously you are not going to admit it.' And the prosecutor acted all offended that I would even suggest that he selected these tapes...because they intermixed race in them. I said, 'Why the hell are they here then? Because the sex certainly isn't anything out of the ordinary.'
"Why did we see those tapes selected in Virginia and Texas and Alabama? What's going on? I have protested loudly. And the same thing with male gay. I said, 'How come male gay tapes are picked so frequently? Somebody have a problem with an individual being gay?' And of course, you don't expect anybody to admit that. But I clearly accused them of it because I believe it. I believe that they picked these tapes because they feel that there is going to be somebody on a jury who's going to be offended by that subject and they are going to get that unspoken advantage over me. And they're going to play that race card or that anti-gay card.
"When I go into the Deep South and some other places... Let's face it. You don't have obscenity trials in New York City, Chicago or San Francisco or Los Angeles. They're in Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Utah. So you've got to think about everything. Am I fighting something here that nobody's talking about but could possibly be there? And I am on record time and time again when I see interracial tapes that are just garden variety sex, saying, what's this all about? Are you trying to play the race card? I object to this."
Luke: "What it's all about is that black men having sex with white women on film, just like men having sex with men on film, is especially incendiary to many people."
Paul: "That's what they count on. Remember, the guy who shot Larry Flynt said, I shot Larry Flynt because he had a black man with a white woman [in a Hustler centerfold]. And that's what he said. Nobody could have a more vivid memory of that. I was with him when they shot him. I represented him."
Luke: "Are you positive that the man who shot Larry Flynt was the man who said that?"
Paul: "Absolutely. There's an E! Entertainment Special [True Hollywood Story] out and he said it in that special."
Luke: "I was skeptical that he was the man who really shot Larry Flynt."
Paul: "For some reason, police really believe that he is. Apparently he knew details that were such that they confirmed... Are we 100% sure? I never personally investigated him to see if he was the one. And I vividly remember the "Butch and Peaches" centerfold in that trial. Because I discussed it with a number of jurors during jury selection. And there were many jurors who had difficulties with that kind of situation. And that's the way it is.
"It couldn't be further from the truth for somebody to say that this is my list. This is my list of the prosecutor's list."
Luke: "Have we essentially returned to the situation for the industry under Bush senior?"
Paul: "I don't know. We really don't know where we are at this point. The big difference is that ten years ago, when the Republicans were in power, the nation was different than it is now concerning adult material. Adults are not shocked by adult material now. Adults are much more sophisticated concerning that kind of material now than they were back then. Now if we asked a jury pool if they had been exposed to adult material, almost everybody's hand goes up. Ten years ago, if we asked that question, less than half the hands would go up.
"And that's important because the obscenity test has an expansion joint in it. It's called community standards. And the ultimate determination to what the law is is up to the jury. And there's no other part of the law where this expansion joint is inserted. Many times prosecutors try to liken obscenity cases to drug cases. Well, that's bulls---. That's not true. There's no community standards concept in those types of cases. There's no First Amendment in drug cases.
"Now, even though we may have some Republicans and religious people come into office, like this person in Utah, who may say, 'We're back. We know what's best for you. We're going to the government filter on your adult material and in fact we're going to filter it out and cleanse all of you.' And it may very well be that the juries say, 'Well, we don't need you. Because we know about adult material. And unless it's stuff that is over the top, that we feel violates our standards, for example, rape, forced sex, animal sex, child sex, things that a community might not accept, I think the communities are going to say that the standard is that one adult permits another adult to make the choice as long as the material isn't over the top.
"And I experienced that recently in St. Louis. A very conservative community. Not a lot of outlets there for adult material. An all woman jury. The prosecutors were high fiving each other. And an older woman jury. And a jury that said they hadn't seen a lot of the material. They had been exposed to some of it. And they found the tapes not obscene. They voted not guilty on all the tapes including the interracial tape...
"If there is a new push by this Republican administration to up the number of obscenity prosecutions...the thing they will have to contend with is that jurors are much more sophisticated. Jurors believe that when you buy a video, you take it home and put it in your VCR, the community accepts that... So it doesn't violate the community standard so it is not obscene under the Miller test. And the same thing with satellite, cable and so on. Things have changed."
Luke: "Was there a wave of panic [rolling through the porn industry in mid January]?"
Paul: "I haven't seen that. It was more a situation of the clients saying to me, do you think Paul that things are going to change. And I said, in all honesty, I don't know. I look at history and each time there's been a Republican administration, history demonstrates that there have been frequent federabl prosecutions [for obscenity]. And I can tell what kinds of material...have been most frequently the subject of those prosecutions."
Luke: "Are you seeing adult video companies pulling back?"
Paul: "I'm not sure. I see more distributors saying things like 'We're going to hold off for a while and see if there are changes. If there are going to be particular types of materials that will be prosecuted.' If you think about it and look at the material, it seems that every other week, a new small company is coming into the business and trying to shout in the crowd, make themselves visible, by doing something a step above someone else. There's some movies that have been made where there's physical abuse and verbal abuse and I've got to think that the only reason they are doing that is to carve a niche out for themselves in the market. But those movies will be the first ones that prosecutors will look at because they'll feel that those ones are easier to prosecute. It'll be much easier for them to go to a jury in some rural area and say, 'Look at this. They're slapping this girl around and they appear to be forcing her into having sex. We don't accept that here in the community.' And it will be a much compelling argument than a film where it is obvious that everybody is having a good time..."
Luke: "The web site f---PaulFishbein.com..."
Paul: "I don't know anything about that. We all have our suspicions about where that is coming from. The difference between now and five or six years ago, is that anybody can put up a web site. Look at you for example. Anybody can put up a web site and say whatever the hell they want as you do and either rely on the fact that they don't have any money, though I did see that somebody nicked you for $150,000... Or, try to camouflage who owns the site and who is responsible for it, which is apparently going on with that site concerning Fishbein. But there are ways to find out eventually who is responsible for the site. And indeed we will. We'll find out who is responsible for the site and if they are saying things that are not true, they'll be held accountable."
Luke: "f---PaulFishbein.com calls you a Mafia mouthpiece."
Paul: "Well, I guess you'd have to analyze that. Does that mean have I represented people in the past who've been accused of being in the Mafia? Well, yes. If he's saying I'm in the Mafia, then there's something actionable there."
Luke: "You're a passionate opponent of the Death Penalty, correct?"
Paul: "Yes I am. I'm sure that there would be exceptions on my part. But I spent a lot of time in the early years of my career as a spokesperson on local TV shows and so on for the ACLU. And one of the things we debated many times was the death penalty. I suppose that if someone harmed one of my daughters, I'd probably have a different view.
"I don't think it serves any purpose. All the statistics I've ever looked at demonstrate that most murders occur in a heat of the moment passionate situation where people don't think. 'Let me see now, if I pull this trigger, I might get the death penalty.' It's like, they come home, find somebody in bed, and boom, they shoot 'em. It's done. Of course, there are people who commit robberies and shoot people. I don't believe those people think. I don't believe they stop and say 'Let's see now. If I shoot them, I'm going to get the chair or the lethal injection.' I just don't think it works."
Luke: "This new web site f---PaulFishbein.com says that you charge $5000 for consultations about this list."
Paul: "That's not true. For my regular clients, we have a regular financial arrangement. Most times it is hourly. I don't do too many cases on retainer. I charge by the hour. And none of my clients would say that. They would inflate it. They would say it is more. They would say, 'Oh, look what I had to pay him for this.' Just to have fun with me. Most of the clients I have are longtime friends of mine."
Luke: "How much do you charge an hour?"
Paul: "It depends. I am not about to publicize my rates unless somebody is about to hire me. It depends on what it is... I'm not sure how many people who log in to your site know that 80% of my time is spent in white collar criminal defense."
Luke: "There was a recent movie starring a woman stuffing pages of the Bible up her anus."
Paul: "I personally find it distasteful. But on the other hand, it usually turns out that those things that are the most politically charged seem to have the greatest clear protection under the First Amendment. For example, prosecutors always try to argue to juries that if they are offended by a particular videotape, then that is the same thing as "patently offensive" which is part of the language of the obscenity test. And of course, the First Amendment doesn't deal with whether something is offensive. What could be more offensive than white supremacists hateful speeches... But the Supreme Court has never failed to protect their right to make such offensive speeches.
"So when things are offensive, and when they have a political component, as you might say that shoving this Bible has a political component, it becomes an even greater candidate for protection of the First Amendment. Yeah, I'm offended by a lot of things but that doesn't mean that I think that they violate the First Amendment."
Luke: "I was really amused how this controversy played out on GeneRossExtreme.com."
Paul: "I don't have any good or bad relationship with Gene Ross. I don't think we have any bad blood. He worked for my client AVN for a long time. I don't know what their deal is. I don't get involved in the personal squabbles of employer-employee situations... There are some people who make ridiculous statements about this so-called. I never thought that this was going to turn into what it turned in to. It was an innocent and vital advice and it got all twisted and perverted. And that's one of the reasons why I am agreeing to let you have it and ask me questions.
"But whatever. When people start a site, they have to have something to talk about. You try to create controversy so that people will be inspired to write in or log in and say something. And if you don't create that kind of controversy by constantly spinning something one way or another way, who will respond?"
Luke: "I had to stand back and admire all the hysteria that got whipped up over this."
Paul: "My clients know, since I delivered the information to them directly, what exactly I said. And absolutely none of them would say that I said, 'Don't do X, Y, or Z.' I said, 'These are the favorite topics. It is up to you whether you want to be in the hunt or avoid the hunt. It is up to you.'"
Luke: "We'll see if John Ashcroft appoints me as the new porn czar."
Paul: "I imagine, where could you be appointed?"
Luke: "I like his politics."
Paul: "You don't really believe that. If you liked his politics,
you couldn't be in the business that you're in. You have enough links
and so on that you're as much in the adult business as anybody else
is. And if you feel that he's an individual that would like to see the
adult business not exist, then you wouldn't like his politics because
it would affect you detrimentally."
Luke: "Then I'd have to do something else for a living. I wouldn't mind if the pornography industry ceased to exist."
Paul: "I'm not sure about that. You seem to be doing fine. It's obviously not only a source of gossip but also a source of revenue for you. You have enough links. If you were a purist, you'd have no links. Just to John Ashcroft or Bob Jones University."
Luke: "But they don't generate any money."
Paul: "There you go. You're back to money."
Luke: "It's the pornography companies that put money in my pocket. Vivid Video pays."
Paul: "Vivid Video is quite a company. There are a number of companies that are longstanding, well run, responsible companies and that clearly is one of them."
Gene Ross writes: "Cambria's reasoning is that the boxcover is the first line of defense and porn crackdown artists don't bring VCR's with them on store raids. The list pretty much includes: no facial cum shots; check for facial expressions- don't use any shots that depict any unhappiness or pain; no shots with an appearance of pain or degradation, body shots are okay if the shot is not nasty; no bukkake; no spitting or saliva mouth-to-mouth; no food used as a sex object; no peeing unless in a natural setting such as a field or roadside; no coffins; no blindfolds, no wax drippings; no two dicks in or near one mouth; no shot of stretching pussies; no fisting; no squirting; no bondage or bondage-type toys or gear unless very light; no girls sharing the same dildo in mouth or pussy; toys are okay if shot is not nasty; no hands from two different people fingering the same girl; no male-male penetration; no she-males; no bi-sex; no degrading dialogue, e.g. "suck this cock, bitch" while slapping her face with a penis; no menstruation topics; no incest topics; no forced sex, rape themes, etc., no black men/white women themes. So far, among the companies that are going to adopt these guidelines are Vivid, Hustler, Video Team and VCA."
From f---PaulFishbein.com: Wasn't Vivid going to sue Ford but all of a sudden Cambria intervenes and designs some horses--- debate for the Ed Powers radio show? The fix was in then. The fix is in now.
Cambria List? Horses---. It's the Fishbein list- a list which had its origins at the Cancun conference and was polished up in Maui last year. The interesting thing about this list is that it was distributed throughout the industry in underground fashion- to make it look like some seedy chain letter from an unknown source so Fishbein and Mafia mouthpiece Cambria could distance themselves from it. But Fishbein's fingerprints all over that document just as his fingerprints are all over Kylie Ireland and a number of other porn stars. Cambria, on the other hand, isn't too shy about charging $5,000 just for consultations about that list. See? It's a money making proposition all around for Fishbein and his gang of scumbags.
Porn Stars Who've Appeared On Prime Time TV
I just talked to a TV news producer who's doing a segment on porn stars who've appeared on prime time TV. I thought of Jenna Jameson and Ron Jeremy and Traci Lords. Who else? Email Luke
Farrell "from www.Homegrownvideo.com where anyone can get their fifteen minutes of fame" Timlake writes: I heard the legend Vanessa Del Rio was in some episodes of some cop show like NYPD Blue or something. Ron Jeremy is very knowledgeable on this subject.
David writes: Vanessa Del Rio and Ginger Lynn have both been on NYPD Blue, Vanessa played herself (a fan was stalking her) and Ginger played a dancer/hooker who rats on her boss.
David writes: What about Marilyn Chambers? Also, do all the Vivid Girls get credit for appearing in mainstream rock videos? Check the IMDB.com.
Ben suggests: Ashlyn Gere, Kobe Tai.
JL writes: add Letha Weapons.....did several episodes of "married with children"....before the reduction/birth of her daughter, etc...she is now back on the circut with a new set of tits by the way.
Hugh writes: According to TV Guide, Herschel Savage will appear on tonight's (2/1) episode of "Just Shoot Me."
Gina writes: Teri Weigel in Married With Children. Missy in Watchers, Beverly Hills 90210.
John writes: Jennifer West was on the People's Court about 19 years ago with Judge Wapner. Not prime time but close. Did you know Jennifer was a CPA?
Pelican writes: Ashlyn Gere was on an X Files episode and a 90210 also. I think she's done some other mainstream stuff, too under the names Kimberly Patton and Kim McKamy. Also, check out the book "The Bare Facts," which lists some of the mainstream stuff done by porn stars, as well as nude scenes by mainstream actresses and actors.
Bianca Trump writes: Ive been on E... Jenny, Jerry, Geraldo....years ago. Talk soup, daily show just the other day...., real sex, ect.
Brian replies: Bianca You Ass! WE are talking about tv shows, dramas, comedy's, not f---ing talk shows!!!
AsiaCarrera.com reports: Just a quick heads up, this Sunday at 10pm my episode of "The Man Show" will finally be airing on Comedy Central, so check it out! (if you have to go to church or something on Sunday night, Comedy Central has a schedule of re-airings here!) In the segment we did, Adam and Jimmy go to "Porn Star Fantasy Camp" to learn the tricks of the trade from the professionals themselves, namely: Amber Lynn, Ginger Lynn, Ron Jeremy, Peter North, Randy West, Alexa Rae, and Asia Carrera!
So writes: Houston, Raylene(sp), India, Heather Hunter and Dasha(sp) just appeared on a VH1 show about porno and rock. Jazime St.Clair has been on Stern, Springer and ECW. Kristi Myst and Lizzy Borden were on XPW on California's America1 network. Chloe appeared on Sally Jesse Rafeal. Mimi Miyagi on Jenny Jones. Janine did the Blink I80 album cover. Serenity does alot of E! programming shows such as WildOn and Cannes. That chick from Melrose Place.
Steve writes: Luke - Ashlyn Gere has appeared in a semi-regular role of the since canceled FOX show Space:Above And Beyond She played an android who was always trying to kill the space marines. Ashlyn also appeared on an X Files episode. (do FOX execs like porn?) She played a housewife who was overcome with fear/panic fom some weird poison, and she killed he car mechanic when she imagined him sexually assaulting her. She later attacked Mulder, and was shot.
Jenna Jameson made an appearence on the WWF pro wrestling show Monday Night Raw. It was a taped segment in which she simulated giving head to a wrestling "porn star" named Val Venis.
Joey Silvera was in an episode of Murder She Wrote on CBS. Too bad he didn't get to ass f--- that nasty shrunken apple headed bitch Angela Landsbury. s---, I hated that f---ing show. But it was a goof seeing him on it when I was visiting my grandparents LOL
Also, how about the Tonight Show segment with Howard Stern ruining Jay Leno a few years back? Wasn't that with [Julia Ann] and Janine?
BrandyAlx1: Just remind BT that I'm not working because I don't have
to. I'm sorry if that bothers her to dump money in people's laps, but
let's make sure she straight on how it's not a bad thing. ;)
BrandyAlx1: You should refine you quest for knowledge to porn stars
who have ACTED in Prime Time in a role that is not cast against TYPE.
Meaning, if you portrayed a porn star, stripper, hooker, or any role
related to adult entertainment, it doesn't count.
Luke Gets Mail
Ian writes: I am grateful to Devoto for taking the trouble to educate me and drag me out of my shallowness. However, I hope you won't mind if I point out some errors/omissions in his piece. Galileo observed four, not one, Jupiter moons. He did NOT record their orbital patterns (he had neither the specialized equipment nor the experience needed for such observations). It was years before he could even persuade respectable scientific opinion that the moons even existed. He DID regard their existence as a riposte to the argument made by doubters of Copernicus's heliocentric system that since the moon circled the earth, why not the other heavenly bodies as well - but it was hardly a positive argument for heliocentricity. A stronger argument arose from his later discovery that Venus had phases in the same way as the moon, and thus probably circled the sun. However, even this was less a proof of the Copernican system than a refutation of the Ptolemaic system, in which Venus did not circle the sun. However, in another contemporary astronomical system, posited by Tycho Brahe (the silver-nosed Danish astronomer), Venus did circle the sun, AND BOTH TOGETHER CIRCLED THE EARTH.
Galileo was NOT summoned to Rome (in 1633) to defend his teaching of the Copernican system, but to explain why he had written a book ("Dialogue on the Great World Systems") which contradicted a ruling by the Inquisition in 1616 that he should refrain from promoting Copernicus. Moreover, in doing so, he had antagonized Pope Urban VIII by seeming to characterize him in the book as a simple dunce - not a wise thing to do. In 1616 the Church had been prepared to consider accepting the Copernican system so long as Galileo could demonstrate its superiority over the Ptolemaic and Tychonic systems. Unfortunately Galileo, whose knowledge of astronomy has been described as 'rudimentary', but who hated to have his opinions contradicted, could not do so. The argument he considered his strongest was an incorrect explanation of tides in terms of the movement of the earth round the sun (he rejected out of hand the correct, moon-based, explanation by his contemporary, Kepler). Thus, if Galileo used deduction to prove his thesis, it let him down on this occasion.
Turning to Descartes now, it is true that his science was based on deduction. It might have stood him in good stead in mathematics (because he was certainly a great mathematician) but most modern science has relied on induction (proceeding from the particular observation to the general) rather than deduction (extrapolating from the general to the particular). Induction is experiment-oriented - that is, you get your experimental observations and then extrapolate general laws from them. If you rely on deduction (as, for instance, Aristotle did) experiments are hardly necessary, since they would only confirm what you already know. Perhaps Devoto might identify a single major scientific discovery that has been made on the basis of deduction, either by Descartes or by anyone else. I repeat, therefore, the observation I made in my earlier message, that in my opinion Francis Bacon, who was a great experimentalist, has a greater claim to have established the foundations of science than Descartes. I am, of course, prepared to be persuaded otherwise, but preferably by rational discourse rather than bluster.
Elevate Your Family's Social Status
Devoto writes: Luke, This is in response to Ian. First and foremost, I appreciate your diligent research. You are obviously an intelligent person, and I respect that highly. However, I find it ironic that you point out that Galileo did not provide enough evidence for the acceptance of the Copernican notion of the universe. This, later coupled with your challenge to me to point out a major scientific study that was proven with the use of deduction shows that once AGAIN you fail to see the specifics (the TREES through the FOREST so to speak). Does not Galileo's thesis on the acceptance of the Copernican system RELY on deduction? I believe it does, and I am sure if you take the time to research the connection between Descartes and Galileo, you will find that you are wrong about Galileo, and that I have met your challenge.
As for your assertion that Galileo was NOT summoned to Rome to defend his teachings of the Copernican system and then your later assertion (in the SAME sentence) that he was ACTUALLY summoned there to defend a book promoting Copernicus (this, as you note, went against a previous decision/decree by the Inquisition) it is merely a SEMANTICS issue. If one is writing books promoting a specific thinker, COULD one not then say that he is TEACHING the thoughts of that thinker? One must assume that to PROMOTE a thinker, you would need to examine and put forth their thoughts.
This is ALL a lot of fun, and I really enjoy attempting to set straight the facts of history so that we BOTH are able to accept them. HOWEVER, you did not mention the WHOLE point of this discussion, which is PROSTITUTION, and it's moral implications. Therefor, in honor of trying to get this argument ON TRACK again, and back to the FOCAL point (and in an effort to provide Luke with MORE copy) I am willing to concede to you that prostitution is indeed morally acceptable. Ian, you are correct! Prostitution is a noble profession, and there are no victims. Furthermore, there is no moral question involved in the purchasing of another's body, as it is for the SOLE means of pleasure. With this in mind, I have provided Luke with my e-mail address, PLEASE retrieve it from him. I wish to set up a date with your mother and sisters. I have some extra money, and wish to provide the women of your family an opportunity to elevate their social status ( to that of the Geisha, or of the Courtesans you mentioned earlier). Granted, America has yet to catch up with the rest of the world and their progressive views. However, I have taken this into consideration and am willing to purchase plane tickets to Amsterdam, or certain counties located in Nevada. This will ensure that your mother and sisters will retain their dignity, and perhaps improve their social status. I anxiously await the guilt-free, victimless pleasures that the women of your family will bestow upon me. Please include their pricing plan.