Monday, December 18th, 2000

Luke Gets Mail

Bob Jones writes: I was reading the Susan Faludi portion of your site last night (I can't stand her, not that I like Paglia any better, but I do think Ron Jeremy appears to be a mature and sensitive enough individual to deserve a little more respect) and came across this today, which I thought you might find amusing. It's a couple auditioning for an adult website, in which the boyfriend has significant wood-issues, fake semen is used, and the camera is left running for the entire time. http://archives.wetmembers.com/studio/getfile.cfm?&MovID=46

I began with a comment about how webmasters unethically make it very hard for people to cancel, and that ccbill especially seemed to go out of their way to make it hard. There was a back-and-forth with someone from ccbill, in which the ccbill person _insisted_ that its very easy to cancel an account, that they don't require users to remember subscription numbers or credit card numbers, etc. This is something I took from the message board of a site, with names and locations removed to protect privacy. You may want to post it somewhere, but I won't respond to anything on netpond to avoid giving out my ip address again. Here it is:

From: Member Date: Thursday, 7 December 2000

I'm sorry to post this here, but I've been trying to post on Members Support and you guys won't respond. I love the site but need to cancel my subscription and I've been trying to get it cancelled for more than a month with no luck. It doesn't seem like it should be all that difficult. My immediate cancellation is much appreciated. Thank you.

From: Site Owner

As mentioned, clicking on Member Support leads you to the area where you can cancel. In that area, you must input your correct username/subscription number, CCbill will then cancel your membership by the next full billing cycle. However, if you don't input your correct information, they don't know who you are. If the information is incorrect, it could take them longer to figure out who you are. CCbill (a large credit card processing company) handles all credit card business for us, including cancellations. When you send a cancellation notice, it goes to CCbill, not to [edited out]. If you feel you have correctly followed the cancellation procedure, but the monthly fee still appears on your next billing cycle, then email your complete information, user name and subscription number to me at [edited out] and I will ask the WM will personally contact CCbill to get your membership cancelled. Please double-check the information for accuracy tho. Take care.

From: Member Thanks [edited out],

I appreciate your answering my post. My problem is that I can't get my subscription number from CC-Bill. When I type in my credit card number they say they don't have any record of that number. This can't be right, though, since I've only ever had this credit card before. Besides, if they bill it to my card, my card number should be the right one. I've tried this many, many times with the same result. Perhaps you know some way to get my subscription number?

From: Site Owner

Turning it over to the WM. Expect an email from him. I'm sure he can solve the problem.

Joe writes Luke: i see you posted my wifes [Jill] mail to you. she is nuts about you .if you can do you know anything knew about alisha klass and or shane please let me know seymore had the hottest ladies and i as a viewer miss those beautiful ladies.i love and respect all ladies of porn.one last question when i was younger in the 80's there were 2 great performers i jacked of all the time to colleen breenen & honey wilder do you have any information about them.

Colonel Rob writes: Hey Luke: Our web site, www.mondofamilyfilms.com, now features a flyer and map for the Titus Moody X(and we do mean XXX)-Mas fund raiser. Cum as you are, all faiths shall be welcome equally, salvation my brother shall be found regardless of your faith. It shall be a night of laying on of hands and speaking in tongues. Can I get an Hallelujah brother?

Luke: I would also like to remind your readers that we will be offering our fine film's at the special low price of $16 dollars. The stars of the films will autograph your copy for free. The nights entertainment is free for those 18 and over. We at Mondo believe in the goodness of mankind even with all the evidence to the contrary. There is so much going on, I'm gonna hafta' make this short. Luke we love ya' and we ask your readers- Who is the man? (either Shaft or Luke will be counted as a correct answer)

JMT writes: "Bob Jones" might really be only a law student, since he misses the most interesting and important point about the California anti-recording laws, i.e., the money angle: if you can prove that someone secretly taped a private call, you can file a lawsuit and recover $5,000, *without having to prove that you suffered any actual damages.* In other words, tape a call, pay five grand. Tape ten calls, pay fifty grand. I predict that the next wave of pornography industry vs. Luke F-rd litigation will revolve around this statute.

Bob Jones writes Luke: I just want to point out, now that my skills are being criticized by JMT, that I did send you the part of the statute that lets a person collect $5000 without proving actual damages. I don't mind your editing my stuff, but when I'm criticized for not including something that you edited out, I'd appreciate a correction.

Luke says: I apologize for my sloppy editing.

Jose writes: Dear Luke Hello: I would like to know more about Jean of Villroy. (Where their movies can be gotten, pictures, age, etc.). I know that I work in several movies among 1975-1988, and I also have some pictures that I found in Internet of some of them (I don't know which of them). Please, he/she would thank them any information that you/they can send me.

XXX writes: Dear Luke, Industry gossip has it that, during a long, tedious porno-shoot,one of director Rob Black's favorite amusements was to pass wind loudly on set, and then look at the nearest, bare, female ass with an expression of disgust.

Fran writes: Black's farting fetish (if true) is unfortunately not rare. As an employment lawyer I was AMAZED at the many times I heard tales of men in management positions deliberately breaking wind in the presence of lower-powered female employees...a dominance trip for sure.

Ian writes: Hi Luke, You say: "There's a commonality in character of all people in porn. They tend to be secular and on a lower moral level. They have fewer moral boundaries."

You mention Ron Jeremy as an exception to the usual profligate porn performer, as follows: "The only porn performer I know of who's a millionaire and saved his money is Ron Jeremy. He's very careful with his dollars. He never flies overseas unless it is paid by his work."

Is Ron Jeremy also an exception to your rule that all people in porn are on a 'lower moral level'? What I'm trying to do is find out what you mean by morals. It's not preponderantly a sex thing for you, is it? Could you define what you think makes one person marginally more moral than another, or one action more more moral than another (preferably without making any reference to religion)? I'd be genuinely interested in your view, though do not undertake to change my own..

XXX wrote: "Apparently, Richard Desmond, (see "Britain" in subjects section), has recently purcashed The Daily Express, a mass circulation middle-brow tabloid newspaper. As any Briton can tell you the Daily Express is famous for being a narrow minded, bigoted, rightwing newspaper, formerly well-known for taking a sanctimonius, prurient tone on the issue of pornography and any free expression. It was The Daily Express which lead the persecution of Aleister Crowley in the 1920s, for example. The irony has not been lost."

XXX just reveals his ignorance of modern Britain. The Daily Express used to be a right-wing newspaper, but under its recent owner, Lord Hollick, it has had for quite some time a very liberal, unusually non-prurient editor, Rosie Boycott, though still employing the odd slavering right-wing columnist (Peter Hitchens). Under Richard Desmond's ownership, it isn't clear in what direction the paper will be heading, though (in view of his ownership of the celebrity magazine, 'OK') it is expected to be more gossip- and celebrity-oriented than before.

Luke replies: I mean by the word "moral" what others also mean by the word. By the way it is generally understood. Being moral and ethical generally connotes doing the right thing, a willingness to sacrifice one's own advantages if they violate the code. Morality means living in accord with a constellation of competing values such as truth, honesty, integrity, modesty, discipline, fairness, protecting the weak.... Without reference to religion, however, there is no objective moral code. There are only opinions about morality. Religion and only religion offers a transcendent objective code of right and wrong.

Lynne L-patin writes: Dear Luke: I knew your incorporation of CFS had something to do with SDA health beliefs, and of course I question anything XXX does, but didn't realize your dad was a proponent of exercise or that he actually had the health show. I would be intrigued to learn some of his philosophy on these subjects.

I am undecided as to whether your choice of Judaism was conscious or unconscious rebellion against all your dad stands for, or if it was simply an expression of your need for the security blanket of religion and ritual, and one you could call your own, rather than accept merely because it was your father's. Given your background, I don't see your exploration of Judaism as "rebellion," just normal adult separation, to which you are entitled. I cannot imagine Judaism being as offensive to your father as would be, say, avowed atheism.

When you put your parents on your website, are you just trying to be offensive to them and f--- with them? Or are you encouraging your readership to contact them? [LF: Neither. Just sharing my life.]

As to the relative attractiveness of Jews, and the perception of Israelis or Jews as trophies which, some might think to be contradictory. If Jews are perceived as unattractive, why would Israelis, in their Jewishness, be perceived as trophies? There is a hemisphere of difference between American Jews and Israelis. Most of the young Israelis I have seen are very attractive, and Luke, I believe you made a similar observation during your recent trip to Israel. If I remember correctly, we've ascribed it to their need to be physically fit for required military service.

How can I be fair and not say that many young Jews are also attractive? There are fat, ugly people of every genetic heritage! We have to remember that the genealogy of Israelis is quite different than that of the average American Jew, having close blood ties to western Europe, and that many American Jews are of middle European descent, and different people altogether. I haven't dated a Jew, man or woman since high school, so never turned one down on account of looks, and certainly the older I get, the less important looks become. You can gauge the shallowness of a person's comprehension of what goes into a relationship by using the inverse of the value of appearance.

I didn't really read much more of the correspondence about Israelis vs.. Jews, though I have seen some gorgeous Israelis that might be considered "trophy f---s" regardless of ethnic group. Most Israelis are so determined to be in charge that I can't imagine them assuming the position of "trophy f---." Mostly I just want to say to our Jewish readers that they are indeed beautiful even though some Jews possess shallow values and are easily swayed by media standards for the dominant group's appearance. To an observant Jew, a potential mate's attitude toward Judaism is more important than one's appearance.

Sing Along With Chaim Amalek

Axle writes: i live down the street from some sort of rabbinic college/elementary school near melrose and la brea in a largely hassidic neighborhood, and i once in a while hear those particular jews chanting and singing together.

Luke says: Religious Jews sing together all the time, particularly at Friday night dinner and Sabbath afternoon lunch.

Chaim Amalek replies: But Chassidim chant in a strange tongue that is not familiar to American Jews, and never permit women to sing along with them in public. For the average western jew, as between joining a group of Chassidim singing chants or prayers that, even when translated, seem obscurant, or joining Christians in their holiday of universalist cheer, the latter generally appears to be far more inviting. Face it Luke, on the issue of prayer and singing, the followers of Jesus Christ have it all over the jews.

How important is Channukah to you, Luke? It is a minor holiday that American Jews magnified in a hopeless attempt to compete with Christianity. On the other hand, it certainly is a very interesting holiday in political terms, but American jews seldom seem to be aware of that aspect of this holiday.

Regarding your interview with that woman who characterized Chaim Amalek as "overly religious", I wonder if she has ever found anyone to be "overly secular."

PS Why don't you lead a troup of jewish porners in some carolling using jewish songs? It is time active jews like you showed the world that jewish men are not mere meacocks or twiddlepoops when it comes to theology, and breathed some life into this moribund faith.

Luke says: Yes, Chaim, generally speaking, Christians have it over the Jews when it comes to music (there's nothing Jewish to compare with Handel's Messiah). But there's tons of fun Jewish music today, if you check out Jewishmusic.com. Particularly recommended are the works of Debbie Friedman, Sam Glaser and Craig Taubman.

A plane recently landed in New York. While coasting to its gate, a flight attendant said over the loudspeaker, "Please remain seated until the plane comes to a complete stop." Immediately a bunch of passengers jump up and open the luggage compartments. The flight attendant comes back on the PA to say:

"To those passengers who remained seated, I wish them a Merry Christmas. To those passengers standing in the aisles, I say Happy Chanukkah."

Rabbi Blech told that story Saturday night at the Orthodox Union conference. He said in all his years in yeshiva, he never heard anyone talk about the Jewish mission to be a light unto the nations. Rabbi Blech then listed the numerous ways that Jews make Judaism look bad by acting rudely. He mentioned an article in the Orthodox paper The Jewish Press in New York about the appalling driving habits of folks in the heavily religious Jewish neighborhood of Borough Park. Israelis, for instance, are notorious for having the highest rate of traffic fatalities because they drive so aggressively.

Rumdar writes: Luke, Let's face it. Every Jew who can sing is in show business i.e., Barbra, Barry, Steve n' Edie and even Jews who can't sing (Dylan). I have been to every religious service imaginable in all the four corners, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, you name it. Jews are like Catholics on prozac. That is why, I imagine there is that job description for Cantor. The Cantor bellows in deep husky tones hoping beyond hope that someone in the room will awake from the nerve gas they seemed to have inhaled and join in. Nope, these aren't Afro-American Baptists I tell ya! No tambourines. No drums..No gospel shouting! No Voodoo enthusiasm...........The Cantor earns every cent he is paid attempting to coax a mumbled drone out of faithful. Why am I bringing this up? Because I don't expect to see the Chaim Amalek Chanukah CD on the market any time soon.

18 & Nasty #19

Ari writes: Luke, I wanted to e-mail you about one of the HOTTEST porns I have EVER seen, "18 and Nasty #19". This porn is ON FIRE! Five girls, all of them young teenagers, all of them enjoying the unprotected sex with wild abandon. 5 scenes:

Scene 1: An adorable, multiply pierced, half chinese brunette with short hair. Really gets into it.

Scene 2: This is the best scene on the whole tape! An adorable 18-year old, Stacey. Blonde hair, fair skin, sweet body with a tiny bit of baby fat. This girl LOVES to f---. In fact, you can tell when she is having an orgasm, because her face suddenly BLUSHES bright red and she moans uncontrollably and closes her eyes and adjusts her movements a bit! Awesome!

Scene 3: Scene three was just a bit disturbing, during the dialogue. A young, 18-year old whore with plucked eyebrows and short brown hair has the following dialogue (paraphrased):

Cameraman: "So, you were saying that you like cocaine?"

Girl: "Yeah."

Cameraman: "You use cocaine?"

Girl: "Yeah."

Cameraman: "Wow."

Girl: "And I like to put it on my twat and have guys lick it off."

Cameraman: "Does it make their tongues numb?"

Girl: "Yeah. And it makes my pussy numb."

It kind of ruins the fantasy to hear about the girls hardcore drug habits. LOL

Scene 4: A young, Puerto Rican tattooed girl, unshaven young pussy.

Scene 5: Scene 5 is also pretty hot. Another young blonde, tattoos, bad dentition, a bit of baby fat, but she also loves to f---.

Cameraman: "How old were you when you did it for the first time?"

Girl: "I was 15."

Cameraman: "Was it with a relative?"

Girl: "No, it was my boyfriend."

Cameraman: "How old was he?"

Girl: "He was 19."

Cameraman: "How man guys have you been with in your life?"

Girl: (thinks for a minute) "Um, 20."

And we believe her! Thats a lot of guys, and she is an 18 year old slut. Anyway, you won't go wrong with 18 and Nasty #19. Now I will have to go back and rent #1-18! This was the first in the series I had seen.

Why Won't You Ask Gene This Question?

Esad writes: dear luke, I really believe that you should post the question about Gene Ross still bascially making his living off of Paul Fishbidiot? Gene is nothing more than a one trick pony trying to take over your popularity as the one site porners should go too. Wise up Luke! Can Gene Ross go one week without mentioning AVN or Fishbein?

Porn Capitol Of Europe

Harry writes on RAME: What qualities make Prague the porn production capital of Europe? Obviously model and other production costs would be low; but why not elsewhere in Eastern Europe?

The bodacious, naturally busty babes featured in Roy Alexandre's Natural Wonders Of The World (Zuzanna, Hannah, et al) make me want to board the next plane to the Czech Republic. How much are these models paid to appear in a video?

And where do producers find them? Strip clubs? Brothels? I'd love to know where Roy Alexandre found these lovely buxom gals.

Jim Gunn replies: Budapest, Hungary has much more of a claim to the title of "the porn production capital of Europe", although Prague is up there as well.

Alana Evans Anabolic Gangbang

Alana writes on RAME: I shot the movie yestudrday. I am still a little tired and slightly sore. It was a lot of fun. Thanks to Vic777 I can get back in this newsgroup. I had 12 guys with Molly in a very interesting place:) with a twisted edge. This was by far the nastiest movie I have ever made. You guys will love it!

Luke Gets Mail

Ian writes: Hi Luke, I think it's silly for Quasarman (Rumdar?) to make such a big song-and-dance about you automatically recording telephone conversations. You are a gossip columnist (well, perhaps a bit more) after all, and everyone knows that you cut-and-paste emails and phone conversations on your site. How could you include the latter without recording them - rely on your memory? Q's mistake was in thinking that his man-to-man phone chats were exempt, perhaps because he's a fellow net journalist. I'd never dream of writing anything to you that I'd be embarrassed to say publicly because, sure as eggs is eggs, if it was of general interest I know I'd find it posted on the net.

John writes: Saw "John Gotti in Prison" tonight on the Discovery Channel. With Dubya soon in the White House this should be required viewing for all porners.

Mary writes: Hello Luke, I can only imagine the volume of mail you must receive! So, I'll try not to take up too much time here. I've read interviews where you've stated that women aren't buying porn and that it's basically a product of the male sex drive (I'm paraphrasing here), and that the male sex drive is an evil thing at that.

What's your take on women who DO like smut, be it visual or written? I like it, myself. Not all of it, certainly, but enough of it that I've become a regular little smut diva. I've got books, videos, and sex toys--yes, even some of Candida Royalle's, so someone IS buying it! I watch it both by myself and with my partner, who (obviously!) is happy about this. I think in the right circumstances, porn can be a vehicle through which one can learn about her sexuality.

I realize I'm in the minority--most people think porn's exclusively male territory. I know porn is not for everyone! Be that as it may, I don't see anything wrong with my voyeuristic tendencies. I still consider myself a feminist, an ethical person (and smart and very sweet, too), a proponent of safe and responsible sex. I guess I just wanted to tell you that there are always exceptions. Naturally I welcome your response, if any, to my comments (even if you flame me).

Luke says: Thanks for your interesting letter. I don't think I flame anybody. I am almost always civil, just many of my contributors to this site are not.

I do believe that in dollars spent, female procurement of porn pales into insignificance compared to male purchases. So as far as understanding the market for porn, female purchases are about as significant as male purchases of romance novels.

On an individual basis, women buying porn is interesting because it is so unusual. It indicates a particularly open mind, among other things, and your male friends must treasure you.

Nothing can only do bad, just like nothing can only do good. That porn complements your relationship with your partner argues that its consumption is probably minimally harmful in your case.

I don't think porn is the ideal form of sexual expression but neither do I think porn is height of evil.

Sin City director Michael Raven writes: Luke, according to our research, females influence around 42% of the buying/renting market. I think that is a percentage that connot be ignored or overlooked.

Luke says: I don't believe that statistic for a second. I doubt that females account for 10% of porn purchases.

MrMan writes: dear luke, I just spend the last two hours reading your six part of Avn history on your site. My question is, it seems to me that Paul Fishbein was very open and cooperative with you and answered your quite honestly, what is your big beef with him and his company? It appears that he certainly gave you tremendous access to his organization?

Luke: It's partly competitive, that we're each offering competing visions of the porn industry. It's partly that he's always refused to hire me. It's partly psychological, stuff inside of me that I can't quite explain. It's partly that I think AVN is corrupt, though no more so than other trade publications. It's partly that I believe that Fishbein lied to me in those interviews. And I believed him and I resent that. It's partly that it is just plain fun for me to bash AVN.

Lynne writes: Luke, I believe your insight into yourself and your motivations has increased over the past year. Consider it a blessing that you were never hired by AVN. You did not need the constant challenge to compromise your search for the truth, which is almost as attractive as your Australian accent.

Luke Interviewed

From page 70 of the December issue of Xcitement magazine, Cindi Loftus writes: "If you are into porn and you've never heard of Luke F-rd, you're not that into porn. Luke is a published journalist who wrote the book "A History of X." He has hiw own radio talk show. He's appeared in movies and television shows. His most recent appearance was on the E! Channel's biography of Linda Lovelace. All of the above is not due to his being a porn star, or adult movie director or producer though; Luke is a web master. Pure and simple. Luke's fame (or infamy depending on who you talk to) comes from his web site. He runs l-keford.com. This web address is notorious for its gossip, rumors, fights and lawsuits. It is a free flowing dialoug between insiders in the adult industry, interspersed with Luke's jabs, tirades or religious references. That makes it one interesting place to be. I would even go so far as to say Luke has a cult following. Whether they love him or hate him, they get hooked on him. (I'm on the love side in case he is reading this.) In one day's time, the posts on his site run the gambit from Chaim Amalek, an overweight overly religious Jewish man who loves sex, to porn stars Kendra Jade and Rob Spallone, to one adult webmaster threatening another, just to name a few of the characters that dominate his site. If this sounds like an awesome place to be, it is, and feel free to go there. Just don't tell them I sent you. Shhh, it's supposed to be for adult industry people only."

I did an interview this past week.

Luke: "I started researching the industry in the fall of 1995. The arousal element dramatically diminished for me a few months into my research on the industry.

"What keeps me interested now is the human drama. I've known people for years. I'm curious about the internal politics, the power struggles and the status rankings. I'm interested in what might happen under a Bush administration. There could be crackdowns and great stories to pursue."

XXX: Do you find a commonality in character in the women who are porn actresses?

Luke: "There's a commonality in character of all people in porn. They tend to be secular and on a lower moral level. They have fewer moral boundaries.

"The overwhelming element that binds people together in porn, and I don't exempt myself from this, is the desire to get something for little effort. This industry will permit behaviors that would get you fired anywhere else - criminal convictions, drug and alcohol habits, tardiness, flakiness, rebelliousness...

"Producers let actresses get away with showing up hours late. It's expected. Because I don't think most porn girls really want to be doing this, so they demonstrate this many ways, including showing up late.

"Almost nobody in this industry truly wants to be doing porn. They do porn because it's more pleasant than their other options. But they'd rather do polite respectable work, particularly if they have kids. People in the industry tend to despise the industry - this is an industry of low morale.

"The pay scale for men ranges from zero to $600 a scene, with $200 a scene being the average. For women, from $200-$1000, for scenes with one other partner. Average - $500.

"The primary thing that distinguishes porn performers from hookers is that porners love the attention. It's clinical narcissism.

"People tend to find their level in life. Certain types of persons feel more comfortable in porn than anywhere else. They have values and behaviors that allow them to feel more comfortable in the muck than in the corporate world.

"The top earning girls might make $100,000 a year from their video work, and hundreds of thousands more from their stripping, web sites, fan clubs... A few, like Houston and Jenna, may gross over a million a year. Films give them the platform to jump to stardom."

XXX: "Do any of these girls dream of mainstream success?"

Luke: "Yes most. Many view porno as a stepping stone to Hollywood. It's a hilarious delusion."

XXX: Do any girls still come from the Midwest to be legit actresses and then go into porno, believing it a temporary excursion.

Luke: "All the time. Look at Taylor St. Claire for example. A beautiful B grade actress who needed money fast a couple of years ago and started making porno. Now she's doing double penetrations for Extreme.

"This is the typical journey. At age 18, these girls do bikini contests. Then topless and nude print modeling. They do nude scenes in B movies and Playboy style softcore. Then they do girl-girl scenes in hardcore films. Then they do sex scenes with their boyfriends. Soon they're screwing anybody and everybody until they wear out their one handed welcome. That was Savannah's path for example."

XXX: Do these women come from abusive backgrounds?

Luke: "That's the question everyone asks. Like Ian Gittler, who wrote Porn Star, I was determined at one time to disprove this myth. Now I accept it as largely true.

"I went into this industry believing it just another entertainment genre. Now I view it primarily as a sewer."

XXX: Were these girls brought up in sexually repressive environment or a secular environment?

Luke: "They come from both."

XXX: From the stuff I've been reading on the industry, many of the women seem intelligent.

Luke: "You can only create material from somebody who's intelligent. I can only get a good interview with someone who is intelligent. So you're going to get a disproportionate amount of reading material from people who read. You'll only read about smart people because only smart people are interesting enough to generate reams of copy."

XXX: "But in general?"

Luke: "Porn performers are below average.

"Most intelligent people, seeing the longterm consequences, would never enter porn. Porn attracts people who live life day to day, without longterm plans and discipline."

XXX: "Is anyone happy? Is Nina Hartley happy? She puts forth that image, though she basically gives the same interview over and over again. She's comes across as very practiced."

Luke: "The best interviews are with performers new to the industry. After they've been in a few months, they develop an overwhelming desire to justify what they're doing.

"Hartley may have a measure of happiness because she truly believes she's engaged in an idealogical crusade that makes the world better. And combined with her well earned rapport with thousands of fans gives her self worth.

"I know she's very sad that she can't have children. That she still must perform in front of the camera and dance naked. She should not be getting naked in public anymore. She's over 40 years of age. She's worn out her welcome as a porn queen. But she needs the money. It's the way she's learned to make a living. I interviewed her over four years ago and she said then that if she's still stripping in clubs at age 40, she'll be ashamed of herself. Well, that's what she's doing.

"The only porn performer I know of who's a millionaire and saved his money is Ron Jeremy. He's very careful with his dollars. He never flies overseas unless it is paid by his work."

XXX: How many of these women are bisexuals?

Luke: "It used to be, until about ten years ago, that 90% of the women entering the industry had never been with a woman. Now it's about 50-50%. Almost all the women who stay in the industry over two years are primarily lesbians. That probably comes from repeated exposure to male nature at its worst."