Monday, June 26th, 2000
Too Much Press
Mabus writes: Could someone tell me what the big deal is with Jenna Jameson? Don't get me wrong the woman is very good looking but there are other women in Porn I think are better looking. Alisha Klass from the Seymore Butts guy. The new female that looks like that famous porn star that commited suicide who used to date that Pauly Shore guy, Zoe. Alana who is going to be number one soon. And Felecia who only does girls has immaculate looks. Those are just to name a few. I hope Ms Jameson doesn't think I am coming down on her because it is not her fault that she gets a lot of press but everytime I read about porn it is Jenna this and Jenna that. Kendra Jade gets a lot of press also but I have seen her in a couple of movies and she looks like she can handle a guy pretty well. She hasn't done a lot of movies but she definitely gives me good wood! I really miss the good old days of porn when Buttman dominated porn and he had a lot of different women he hired and it seems that their egos were kept in check. All he did back then was put out good movies. Oh well! Maybe things will change!
Cheyenne Silver Gossip
Buried writes: IT HAS BEEN ALLEGED THAT CHEYENNE SILVER, VIVIDS NEW CONTRACT GIRL, IS NOW "SEEING" LUCKY SMITH AND FLIP FLOPPING BETWEEN MEN LIKE A PANCAKE COOK DUE TO HER NEW FOUND CELEB STATUS AND BOOB JOB. SHE DEFINATELY GOT "LUCKY" AT HEDONISM.
HER SHIP LEFT FOR PLANET LOSER WEEKS AGO AND SHES MORE FLAKEY THESE DAYS THAN A FRENCH PASTRY...
SURE WOULD BE A GREAT INTERVIEW IN JULY AT VEGAS TO FIND OUT THE DETAILS OF WHOS BED SHE HAS A "SILVER" LINING WITH????
Luke: I've talked to several sources. They say Cheyenne is fine and doing well. That she has not been carrying on an affair with Lucky Smith. She went to Hedonism III in Jamaica with her boyfriend. She does not have drug problems. In fact she's among the happiest and healthiest and most beautiful porn stars I know.
Hank: Those are extremely strange rumors you've got there. Lucky is definitely not "seeing" Cheyenne. The last I heard she had a boyfriend (that's ONE boyfriend) and I know nothing about her alleged drug use. I've met her several times over the last few weeks and she has never given me the impression of being anything but a delightful young woman.
Luke: You can read up about Hedonism III and Lucky Smith's and his beautiful girls Juli Ashton, Juli Ann, Vicca, Nakita, Devinn Lane and co at Adultdiary.com and Risque.com. Also see KeriWindsor.com.
Darva Conger Nude Pics In Latest Playboy
Marc Putative writes: Flipping through the latest playboy with darva conger on the cover, i noticed that neither darva nor the centerfold have breast implants. furthermore, the playmate of the month is pictured in one shot displaying something that sort of resembles actual genitalia. yes, darva's nude. shockingly non-implanted, too. can you get some scoop about playboy's evolution into showing labial folds now?
Paul Weller writes on alt.fan.howard-stern: Isn't it fascinating that you losers are clammoring to look at airbrushed nude pictures of this average looking BITCH just because she was involved in a stupid controversy while there's about 8 billion pictures of incredible looking babes on the internet.
Joe: Hey, dickbrain, has it ever occurred to you that part of the facsination with chicks like Darva is because they are "average"? I've seen plenty of the 8 billion "incredible looking babes", all pumped full of plastic and shaved down, with water balloons where their tits used to be. f--- that s----- give me a "real" girl anyday.
From the New York Post article June 5 by Peter Fearon: SOON, every man on the planet will be able to see more of remorseful bride Darva Conger than her husband saw during their entire honeymoon. Even better - they won't have to talk to her.
The man to thank - or blame, depending on your point of view - is Playboy's No. 1 wrangler, Gary Cole. He's the man who has persuaded some of America's most notorious women to bare their souls - and just about everything else.
"There is a curiosity out there about the women in the news," Cole says. "I can tell you that when word got out that we were talking to Darva, people were calling me and saying, 'Gee, I can't wait to see that!' "That's when you know you're on the right track."
Scandal is almost as much of a turn-on as nudity. For 25 years, Playboy has seasoned its usual fare of voluptuous, pulchritudinous Playmates with the discredited, dishonored and the just plain infamous.
Unpopular Porn Stars
Mabus writes Luke: For some reason one of the hottest porn stars in the business is not discussed on your site. Is it because she is Polish? Ms. Alexandra Nice is who I am referring to. I have never since Debi Diamond and Tiffany Mynx seen a woman in porn take it up the ass so willingly like Ms. Alexandra Nice. She has one of the best bodies in porn and she puts out the hottest scenes. It is like she is really not acting. I think she is incredible!! Another one worth mention is Bobbi Bliss. No one in porn except maybe Inari Vachs gives better head. Could you give one of your website fans some info on these females?
Why Not A Hayes Code?
Curious writes: I would like to hear porners' honest opinions on why some sort of voluntary industry regulations on content should not be adopted (notice I didn't use the word "censorship"). Once upon a time, not to long ago, some sort of loose rules of sexual behavior seemed to exist in porn and then in the late-nineties the rules just seemed to break down. Clearly it was the advent of internet pornography that opened up the Pandora's Box of no depths unplumbed obscenity, but something has got to reign it back in.
The industry has really been governmentally unchecked since the Meese Commission of the Reagan era and since then they've gone from the traditional cuming on women's faces to spitting on women's faces to having 60 men cuming on a single woman's face to pissing on women's faces to punching women's faces and you know Max Hardcore is just waiting to break the "s--- barrier." It seems logical that at some point the government will again intervene and harshly if the porners themselves do not show some self-restraint.
The Free Speech Coalition shills in May made it clear that they oppose any form of restriction to their "creative expression" even to the point of defending the pseudo-child porn that is so disturbingly rampant today. The porn industry seems a lot like the paranoid gun lobby, in that, they fear any slight common sense restriction will inevitably lead to a complete prohibition. I say no restrictions on porn content at all will eventually lead to a knee jerk reaction from Washington that will send all porners running for cover. Can't you see the Senate hearings on CSPAN now? "The Senator from Massachusetts would like to know what exactly is a 'bukkake'?"
The industry is clearly running wild, but without some guidelines, isn't it running straight for the edge of a cliff?
Tabetha writes: WOW! Luke, I have to say that that is THE most logical thing I have ever seen one of your readers post yet...
Being that I grew up rurally, my family had a LOT of guns that we used simply for safety and protection from the IDIOTS of the world. And from the time I was 4 and 5 years old I was taught all the rights and wrongs of it's use and how to ALWAYS respect life - to shoot someone was THE LAST resort.
Porn is not so different in many ways. Parents and schools of today TRY to teach safe sex, respect and responsibility - but who is really living the example?! Parents in the past never spoke of it to their children figuring they would learn for themselves on their honeymoon. Schools found it too taboo to even consider - however, dear ol' dad and even the dean had a subscription to Playboy, (for the articles of course).
I think Mr. Heffner and Mr. Flynt tried to say it best by saying, "sex was okay, it was good!" That there were beautiful women all over the world to be enjoyed - but at the same time still treated as beautiful women! And by treating them with respect and allowing them to enjoy it as well would lead to a much more explored realm of sex.
Some of these flicks are just truly appalling! Max Hardcore is one, TT Boy another, but now even Rodney Moore and his "Pop Shots" series, (or whatever the title is) it is a down right shame. But out of all fairness - I personally don't blame these guys - I blame the WOMEN that go for it!!! Ladies, don't you realize these films would never be made if YOU never allowed it? Where's your SELF-RESPECT? What happened to PRIDE? Can you honestly walk up to someone and say, "Don't you know who I am? I'm Miss Bukkake 2000!! Didn't you recognize me without all that splooge on my face?" and then SERIOUSLY act offended when your laughed at?? Please, people lets get real!!
Curious is right, it's all fun & games until someone 'cums' up with some new disease like "Eye Herpes" or "Nose Syphilis" (Forgive the spelling - but I really don't care if I ever learn to spell THAT word!)
Evilstein: Tabetha you seem to have some knowledge of the kinds of movies certain people make like Max Hardcore, TT Boy, Rodney Moore etc. If you do watch this sort of thing why are you contributing to this lack of "self respect" and "pride"?Are you the kind who gets off to porn and then puts down the people who make it possible for you to see it? Explain this hypocrisy...
Tabetha: My hypocrisy is simply this, Mr. Evilstein. I manage talent that is currently in the adult industry. It is my job to be aware of what's out there and who's in it. Don't get me wrong - I am not judging anyone particular like or turn on - I am merely stating that it must take two to tango. There are many S&M or Bondage movies where the MAN is abused just as much as a woman. However, a man is not so easily coerced into performing in such a way - he must REALLY enjoy it to a certain degree. But I see these young star struck girls FOOLISHLY being lead by the nose into some pretty obvious unpleasentrys!! I do not disagree with peoples wants and desires - but what happens when everything, (as Curious brings up) is all played out?? Do we go to drinking blood? Doing women while in Labor? The mind has no boundaries - but shouldn't human common sense?
Evilstein: I've gone on record myself Tabetha about being no fan of the product offered by Max Hardcore and others like him (I would not put Rodney Moore in that group) but there are alot of people out there I'm sure who see no distinction at all between anybody in the porn world,they would say that anyone involved in it in any way including yourself lack pride and self respect.Would they see much of a difference in some porn babe who lets say gets in on with 2 guys in a movie and another who does a 20 man gangbang?I think not.They would both be judged harshly, laughed at and condemned.I guess for you as with everybody it's just a matter of individual taste.Fair enough.
Pop music critic J.D. Considine writes: Luke -- I was going to point out snottily that what Curious wants is to "rein" in obscenity, not to "reign," but it occurs to me that his/her misusage speaks to a certain truth about this "Hayes Code" proposal. People like Curious are upset that there are people who do bad, dishonorable or disrespectful things, and would like to make them stop. So they wish to reign over these offensive folk, and limit or alter their behavior. This, Curious believes, will make the world a better place.
History argues otherwise. No amount of rules, nor any form of government, has ever been able to make people behave, or guarantee justice, or turn this world into the orderly paradise control fans like Curious yearn for. Change of that sort occurs one person at a time, and cannot be imposed from without.
Then there's the laughable notion of imposing a "Hayes Code" on the porn industry. How, exactly, would this be enforced? To suggest that theatres not show films unless they meet these standards -- as was the case with the original Hayes Code -- is absurd, as theatres haven't been a factor in porn marketing since the VCR took over. Nor is there the equivalent of a Blockbuster chain to enforce standards through ubiquity and market clout.
No, porn is an industry of mavericks and independents whose practitioners have historically worked the back roads of commerce. Were the "majors" to agree to a code defining permissible content, indies (aided by the marvellous marketing tool that is the web) would spring up to meet whatever demand there would be for such illicit fare. Don't believe me? Then ask yourself if current laws and law eforcement efforts have rid the world of child pornography.
Oh, and before Chaim or some other member of the l-keford.com cast of semi-real characters leaps in to accuse me of moral relativism or some other cheap dismissal, keep in mind that what I'm objecting to here hasn't to do with right and wrong, but with rules and enforcement. Part of the problem with free will is that it gives mankind the option to do wrong, as well as to do right -- and even the ability to decide which is which. Perhaps the theologically inclined among you could explain why, seeing as God gave us the ability to choose, humans (or humans such as Curious) insist on second-guessing the Divine and try to take that right away.
Greg Zeboray writes: While I not a "porner", I am obviously involved in the business, and I have an honest opinion on the posting by "Curious". Let me begin by saying his/hers was one of the more sensible comments I've seen on your site in quite some time.
I have long said that all of our rights come with a some sort of limitations. The right to free speech does not give us the right to indecency, and that line has clearly been crossed. Let's not hide the reason that is happening, either - the fact is, very few people in porn are making any money (don't believe the bulls--- you hear on the internet, television, and etc), and in an attempt to sell more product they are willfully crossing the line. How will they know when they have gone too far? When someone gets busted - and that's probably going to happen sooner rather later - not when an industry spokesperson say's enough is enough. Once a person (or persons) get busted, the distributors will panic and start to censor what they will and will not carry - in my opinion that's how it will go down.
Regarding the Free Speech Coalition (of which I remain a supporter), I honestly don't believe they should be involved in this. As I've said before, I don't view them as "trade association" (in it's literal sense), but rather as a "lobbying group and provider of a legal defense fund". I am compelled - for the first time - to publicly admit my feelings on the "pseudo - child porn" matter: I wish they had not fought that bill. I am opposed to any porn that gives the impression that a performer may be under age.
Let me close by again repeating my thoughts: our right to free speech (like any right) comes with a price, and that price is to act responsibly. Look at alcohol: it is legal to drink to the point of being drunk (in your own home or a friends home), but it's not legal to be drunk and walk down the sidewalk - that's called "drunk in public". If we fail to recognize that free speech (also) comes with limits, we may one day lose the right all together.
Lou Scorbick writes: Luke- The point that Mike South makes is a correct one -- without some form of self-monitoring, the Adult Industry is doomed. The blabbermouth nimrods in porn who get up and make rambling speeches about protecting their so-called rights of free expression are hilariously clueless in their misunderstanding of how society works.
The American concept of free speech was set up mainly to allow for artistic and political expression in a forum free from persecution by those with differing beliefs. This has nothing to do with allowing someone to pee on the streets because his bladder hurts, and street peeing is his form of "self expression". The misconception here is that what constitues "expression" can never be inherently defined, therefore anything goes.
This is hores---. This is an excuse.
Let's start with a simple thought experiment: If one person wants to star in a snuff film, society prevents it due to the agreement we all have that death, even voluntary suicide, should be prevented. So clearly there are limits on so-called "Free speech". We all are aware of this fact, yet the idea that "anything goes" in the porn industry is disingenuous to say the least.
As a noted Libertarian once said, "Your rights to swing your fist end at the tip of my nose." (the nose here being society's general structure). And this is true for porn as well, despite the deluded folks who see themselves as crusading martyrs because they want to s--- on each other on film. There just is no interpretation here as free speech. This is not about political events, persecution, or viewpoint. This is about s---. And a society has the right to set rules on what will be disseminated among its constituents.
The original porn legality argument with Harry Reems came from the idea of artistic expression. It dealt with porn films as FILMS, with porn stars as ACTORS, representing roles and creating a dramatic narrative. When Reems went to jail for obsenity, actors like Jack Nicholson and Warren Beatty argued that if Reems couldn't have sex on camera as part of a role, how could they kiss a girl or feel her breasts on camera as part of a role?
They argued free speech. And they were right. That is why they won.
The argument being presented now not only has nothing to do with narrative artistic expression (since acting no longer is involved in much of porn), nor political expression. It has no statement nor purpose other then the act itself. It is about s---.
So the question is, when an act loses meaning in any context, political, narrative, dramatic, etc, does it have any larger context under free speech? Clearly not.
So since porn itself has lost any larger context for its work, what exactly is it protecting? Answer: s---. That is why this argument will lose.
The problem here is porn's inherent self destructive nature. The very nature of fantasy itself is acts that one might dream of doing, but are impossible to do in real life, for whatever reason. Whether it's punching your boss or banging the secretary, these things are not in the realm of reasonable for the vast majority of people. So many turn to porn to see these fantasies acted out. As you, Luke, often try to do (when in your sincere journalist mode and not your own personal self destructive mode), understanding the people who attempt to live lives on camera that represent others' guarded fantasies are by their very nature extremists. They're willing to take on the taboos to make money and find their career and life.
Okay so we accept that by their very nature pornographers have to be in some way extremists in their lifestyles. So how does this connect to censorship? Easily: Self destructiveness. It is in the VERY NAURE of the porner to be self destructive. He/She is rewarded for it when first entering porn with money, psuedo-fame and a sense of noteriety (ie: getting to bone the lead singer of "Poison"). So to turn around and ask them to understand the need for limits and/or responsible structure to the very business that rewarded them for just the opposite, is impossible.
The Adult Industry will self destruct in America. It is only a matter of time. The bukkake concepts, the violent imagery of a Kid Vegas, this is just the start of the end of the gravy train for those who's only contribution to society is to help lonely men get off. Why? Because there is no "free speech " to be protected here. If one really wants to use the medium to tell something erotic or exciting, they can already do so. All there is is sad people desperate to push the envelope and try to grab another small bite of the rapidly morphing marketplace that continually shifts under their feet allowing no stability. What else would you have them do? They've been trained like a Pavlovian dog to f--- at the ring of a bell in the hopes of applause and money. They're now going to set up rules for their future actions?
To sum, Porn will self destruct because by its very definition it attracts the self destructive. People who can not grasp that organizing an industry around a set of guidelines isn't censorship, but intelligent business practice. To prevent violent images towards women, to stop dressing women like children, to stop abuse imagery, these are obvious rules that should be self-imposed by the industry if it wants to survive. But will never happen. Because a leopard can't change it's spots.
Kevin Moore from Stunningcurves.com writes: Luke, "The Adult Industry will self destruct in America."
Hardly. People seem to forget that it is a business. If you walk into the offices of VCA or Vivid, or an adult Internet company like New Frontier there are no naked women on the walls. Sex is just not happening in the hallways. It's run just like any legitimate business. Some companies have even gone public. Most of the movies that people refer to are not an "American" concept. Bukkake came from Japan. The majority of "scat" films are from Europe. The porn industry is hardly an American concept. We're simply so repressed that we consume it by the truck loads. All these movies referred to are simply fetish films. It's been done for years, just kept always way in the back of the local porn shop. Suddenly some of these fetish films have garnered semi "mainstream" porn attention and everyone acts as if it is something new. It's not!
This industry is also driven by one thing. The consumer. When one company starts selling a certain type of film all other companies jump on board to repeat the same success. This is exactly what has happened with Bukkake and the current fetish craze going on in the market. If their wasn't the demand then the movies wouldn't be made.
Also where does one person tell me what is right for me? I know people who live a very "normal" lifestyle. Nice house... white fence.. two cars.. go to work everyday but also love and live a S&M lifestyle. So because YOU think it's wrong that a person enjoys being degraded then it shouldn't happen because you know better? That a person who pays their taxes and happens to also enjoy watching a movie with two consenting adults, shouldn't be able to because of YOUR belief system? What people do behind their own door by themselves with a movie or with a partner is their business. No one else's.
Luke, I have a new domain I think you should rename your site to: sexualrepression.com
William Emero writes: Hi Luke - I'm in an opinionated mood lately, so let me weigh in on mandatory content control for porners. The idea stinks - it's censorship, self-imposed or not. And if it's self-imposed, who's obligated to follow? No one. Has porn hit an extreme - sure, from what I've read here and elsewhere, it's gone well beyond anything that would interest me. Violence and sex shouldn't mix, ideally. But, unfortunately, they do. And apparently, that's what some segment of the buying public wants.
When people, men, whomever is buying this stuff, stop buying it, porners will try something else. Is this particular facet of porn a response to the Meese Inquisition? Probably, but, if consumers didn't want it, it wouldn't be out there.
The flip side of the coin is the talent. If this was odious behavior for them, they wouldn't engage in it. If there were social or other norms that would apply pressure to prevent this, they wouldn't engage in the behavior. The backlash has begun, as evidenced by the postings on your site.
If any of these repulsive acts were done illegally, the Government would, and should, step in. There exist laws on the books to protect women (not to be sexist, but isn't the violence debated directed primarily at women?), from crimes against their persons. In other words, without consent, the behavior currently being debated would be utterly illegal.
Why shouldn't the porn industry self-destruct? What would be so bad about that? Quality producers (is that an oxymoron in the porn industry?)would survive. Talent would still work. And if this sort of stuff caused the fall of the porn industry, it would be, by necessity, weeded out. Thus, the market would dictate what was acceptable. Let the industry learn what is acceptable, there are other factors in place that will prevent it from pushing the limits too far. But, when the day is done, it's still a business. When the bottom falls out of the market, this kind of stuff will go away.
The Genie Is Out Of The Bottle
Curious writes: I posed my question knowing full well that the porn "genie is out of the bottle" and can really never be recaptured. The worst porn is produced off shore and is freely available worldwide via the internet. There is also no shortage of really atrocious amateur stuff on eBay made by budding Max Hardcores and their feces loving girlfriends. But shouldn't the "legitimate" porn producers and their distributors try to distance themselves from the extremely misanthropic piss soaked freak shows that are being produced under the skimpy veil of "free expression"? If the porn industry refuses to speak out against these so called "mavericks" then can the government read their silence as tacit approval?
BJ From AVN Covergirl
I talked to a highly reliable source Sunday night.
Frankie: is there a way to look at the last AVN covergirl on the internet?
Luzdedos1: adultvideonews.com
Frankie: thanks, the june issue girl, blew me
Luzdedos1: cool, who was it?
Frankie: ashley sage
Frankie: I got a little gossip for you
Luzdedos1: how was it?
Frankie: nice hummer
Luzdedos1: cool, did you spurt?
Frankie: thin looking, looks like Cameron Diaz in real life, killer
ass
Frankie: used to be an aerobics instructor...
Frankie: I shot on her feet
Frankie: Ron Jeremy returned from Canada to introduce Blink 182 on Stage
today...apparently they reneged on letting him introduce on stage or
get any other backstage passes, he became furious and left
Frankie: apparently Russel Crowe met Devon Shire backstage at the Green
room of the Tonight Show and asked her for her number
Meta: The June cover girl on AVN, Ashley Sage, can be seen in a video called Players Academy doing a scene with Sean Michaels, and also in his series, We Go Deep, number 6.
Real Dykes Are Not Hot
From the New York Daily News: One of the less harmonious chapters in the history of the The Forward, the English-language descendant of the famous Jewish Daily Forward, has reached a conclusion. Today, the paper is expected to announce the appointment of journalist and author J.J. Goldberg ("Jewish Power: Inside the American Jewish Establishment") to succeed Seth Lipsky, the founding editor who resigned in April, reportedly over disagreements regarding his conservative political bent. Goldberg, who spent one year with the paper under Lipsky's regime, left because of their opposing political views, insiders said.
Chaim Amalek writes: This is a damn shame, as the Forward under Lipsky was absolutely fearless in its reportage and opinion pieces. JJ Goldberg is, so far as I can tell from having heard him at the local BN bookstore, just another federation lackey, unwilling to rock the boat.
But your readers do not care about jews, they want more race-baiting and lesbian stuff. And I, as an upper west side liberal, cannot provide any of the former. On the other hand, my religion is based on patriarchy, so the latter is fair game.
Lesbians, in my experience, are a mixed lot. Yes, there is a SMALL subset of them who seem generally hot for other women to the exclusion of men and would be no matter what they looked like; it is just coincidence, I suppose, that these women are not all that attractive. But I have known lots of other so-called "lesbians" who admitted to me that what they really wanted was a man with a penis who would fall in love with them and give them children and protect them. Very traditional.
One lesbian I know (hey Luke, she is jewish and is studying to be a rabbi!) has been living with this hideous fat ugly older dyke since she was 17(!). Now she wants out, as she has clearly explained to me. Unfortunately, she is now, at age 23, herself quite fat and unable to attract a man. Not a winner of the genetic lottery, she. Another "dyke" friend of mine is a woman who has had sex with lots of men, has never been with a woman, yet calls herself a dyke and marches with them. She has a choice among partners, and seems never to pick women for her sex partners. I suspect that lots of self-identified "dykes" really are not. The true dyke seems much rarer than the true homosexual male.
It is interesting to note that whereas lesbians are generally less beautiful (in the eyes of hetero men) than are breeder chicks, gay men often seem to be viewed as very hot by hetero women. ("He's so good looking, he MUST be gay." - what lots of women say about me.) I am not sure why this is so, only that it seems to be so.
PRIVATE NOTE - Luke, as a gay man who is active in lesbian and gay politics, you know lots of such people. What is your take on this very important issue?
Luke: I am about to leave for my therapist's house. Her daughter's having a bat mitzvah.
Chaim: Look, she is too young for you no matter what the rabenim say.
Luke: Sitting across from me at dinner tonight was the highest scoring NBA player of all time. I asked him why the scores are so low today compared to the 1980s. He said today's players lack the fundamentals. Many come in straight from high school.
Rumdar writes: Luke.. I saw some scary lesbians at the H-town gay pride parade. They looked like fat lumberjacks with tattoos. What is more they sometimes travel in packs of 6 or 7. And they have pissed off expressions on their faces. I wouldn't want to run into these kind of lesbos if I was walking alone in the woods or in the desert. Are there any other Lukites out there who feel uncomfortable looking at scary lesbians?
Lynne writes: Luke, if we didn't know that posting all this racist bulls--- is just a way for you to covertly express your inadequacies over your undersized honky dick, we might think you actually cared about issues of racial inequality, if only from the sheer number of inches you devote to boring us with it.
I, too, brought a book the other week when I went to synagogue, though I did not read it. I thought I should bring something to impress doctors and lawyers, so I chose one by Stephen Jay Gould. Are the women at your shul impressed by a motivated Tony Robbins kind of guy?
You know, you may have it backwards. It may not be the pornography that's done you so much destruction, it may be Judaism. After all, weren't you happy as an SDA masturbator once? Maybe it IS time to return to your Christian roots, and to daily porn mag jack off sessions.
A few weeks ago your therapist was getting engaged. This week her daughter is being bat mitzvah'd. I know kids grow up fast these days, but oh, my, how time flies!
I enjoyed reading about how heterosexual women should be worshipped for their heterosexuality. That was very sweet, and certainly much nicer than denigrating us for same. Maybe if more men APPRECIATED having their cocks sucked, they'd have their cocks sucked more often...
Anyway, I take a few days vacation away from l-keford.com and what happens? Everything gets gloomy and serious until even Chaim sounds like a barrel o'monkeys. And soon Luke F-rd will be treating us to first hand reports from the war-torn Middle East. Luke ducks mortar fire. Luke's tour bus damaged in rocket attack. Luke's hotel bombed by terrorists. Luke taken hostage. Luke sold into white slavery... Large Arabs with shaved heads and hawk-like noses having their way with Lukey at scimitar-point! And all before he leaves the airport!
The Fall of the House of Levy , the Rise of the House of Ford
Luke: Have you ever read Anthony Robbins? I am studying "Unlimited POwer' (in shul Saturday morning) while everyone else prays.
Chaim: SO this is how it begins. Faking it in shul. Then grabbing a sneak peek at your email during the sabbath. Not wearing a yarmulke when out and about. trying to reconcile the rules against shatness with the holocaust and coming up short. Wondering why jewesses don't like you. Falling in love with a christian. Marrying her at your father's church, much to his joy, and raising fine christian children. Then writing a book with the title "My Years Among Jews and Pornographers." Decades later, death in a state of christian grace, followed by a personal one-on-one with Jesus himself, who tells you that it is a good thing you started reading Tony Robbins in shul, for He no more heard what the other jews were saying than he heard what they were saying at Treblinka.
Every Mexican in LA has a radio show, why not you?
Regarding Lynn's and your comments on going to temple to pray, only to end up reading secular works, why bother going? If the temple experience does not work for you, why put up with it? If it is a spiritual experience either of you crave, you would do better with other religions.
Luke: I enjoy going to temple, it's just that sometimes the prayer loses meaning for me and I transfer my attention for a few minutes to a book. Usually I read books on Judaism in shul, but at times I read Tony Robbins or The Bell Curve.
Chaim: As for Lynn specifically, does she not realize that women are not required, under normative judaism, to go to temple and pray? If Portland were New York City, I could suggest all sorts of jewish temples she would feel right at home in, the kind that even welcome homosexuals, lesbians and anarchists. s---, she could even go to the Ethical Culture Society. But she being in Portland makes the probablility that she will find a place for herself amongst the jews very small indeed.
It is sad, but each of you in your own way is gradually discovering why Judaism is rapidly dying out among the educated, thinking people of the west.
Lynne: Mark Kernes [AVN reporter] bet, which he almost won in Sacramento, is that you will f--- me over for no reason whatsoever other than the traditional Luke F-rd sheer maliciousness and that I will be hurt very badly by it, publicly and privately. Obviously, me submitting book proposals for a mutual work leaves me very open for betrayal and humiliation.
By the way, here's the formula for a woman keeping her looks -- I've seen some old hookers who look gorgeous and plenty of young women who fall to pieces by their mid-twenties after one husband and three kids: Where T = time, and M = money, T + M = Beauty. It's all a matter of high maintenance. The circumstances that lead a young woman into promiscuity or prostitution are what are stressful, not the actual intercourse. There are plenty of virtuous women in Bosnia who look like s--- because war is stressful....
Now that I'm not spending money on them, my fingernails and toenails and teeth and hair are reverting back to their natural unsplendiferous Oregonian state. And I was always low maintenance! But you wait until we do book tours (why I'd like a publisher other than XXX -- I've seen their author support first hand) -- I will be beautiful again. Never as beautiful as you. God made the rest of us in his image....you must be His fantasy....oh, no, patriarchal faggot deity!
Female Orgasms In Porn - All Fake?
Pat Riley writes on RAME: It seems that you have concluded that for a male, orgasm always = ejaculation which, despite the simplistic view of most young males, is not actually true. Also by mentioning Peter North you seem to be putting yourself in the camp that says "The greater the quantity of ejaculate, the better the orgasm," another false statement.
In terms of mechanics there's a medical condition whose name escapes me at the moment but which I believe is called something like "retrograde ejaculation" where the semen, most of which consists of prostatic fluid, instead of being ejected through the urethra onto the face or into the vagina of a female or onto your hand, bed, or couch, is, due to a failure of the valve that stops urine being mixed in with the semen, forced backwards into the bladder. Result: no cum shot but orgasm.
As far as Peter North is concerned, I see no reason to conclude that his orgasms are any better than the rest of us, the quantity of his ejaculate being simply a question of genetics whereby he manufactures more prostatic fluid and has more powerful muscles to eject it.
The pleasure derived from orgasm is really the crux of the matter and like pain is exceedingly hard to objectively quantify. However I can suggest a little experiment (or two):
Masturbate to orgasm ten times in a row. If you can't manage ten, six or even three will do. Was the tenth time as pleasurable as the first? Try not masturbating for a week and then do so. Pleasurable? Yep, better than the normal once a day. Sure, but requires some self-control.
Try masturbating in circumstances that might cause you to be discovered or even better in front of the guys (this may actually be more pleasurable for some people but presuming you don't belong to that group...). Most people, even young hormone-overloaded guys, will find this hard to do. You might get off a load but it won't be very pleasurable, even to the point where you'll conclude it's just mechanics.
Now think about what most porn studs do and the probable reason for the limp dicks we see lots of the time. Even if, after lots of effort they actually get it up and eventually ejaculate, it doesn't look to pleasurable. Did they have an orgasm? Probably but it's not the sort of orgasm that you or I would want to have with regularity. It's like that tenth orgasm in a row; we could do without it.
>For the most part, the 'orgasms' the >women >have are made up of various moans, groans, screams ("ooh, that's right, right >there!!") and such which are utterly unconvicing to me. The only orgasm I saw >that looked real was in Deep Throat 3 (maybe 2?) in which a nurse was >helping a >poor nymphomaniac, or some such drivel.
I don't remember the scene in question but I would suggest you need years of viewing and thousands of movies to be able to sort out the real from the fake and even then it's only a best guess. However, if it's real to you that's all that matters.
>So. For those guys who actually have experience with women, who actually >*know* >the sounds/body positions they make while having a rockin' one, can you >tell me >a movie in which this happens? The phony ones really turn me off, while on >the >other hand (again, hee hee), the real ones are quite enjoyable!
This is actually a very hard question to answer because we don't know what pushes your personal buttons. You're not really asking an absolute question such as "In what movie did a female really have an orgasm?" but even that, given the natural penchant of females to lie about their orgasms compounded by the propensity of the porn industry to lie even when they don't have to, would be near-impossible to satisfactorily answer. Brandy (our Brandy) has replied to such questions with "Never in a movie" and others who are out of the business or on their way to the door, have made similar statements.
I suggest that only you personally can make the decision depending on what makes you think the girl is having an orgasm (which we don't know and I'll bet you can't describe). However, I can suggest where you're most and least likely to find real female orgasms:
No real female orgasm movies:
- plotted movies
- Max Hardcore, Rocco, Anabolic, Evil Angel,
--any movie a typical raincoater would like.
Let's face it, would you have an orgasm while suffering the agony of Lexington's pile driver up your butt? Of course the occasional masochistic female might.
Possible real female orgasms:
- Amateur with real SO's including HomeGrown and the stuff Basement Child likes.
- Quasi-amateur, particularly the debutante type movies and particularly those where the girl in new
- "Let's all get together and have fun" movies such as the Shane types and from the eighties, some of the Bobby Hollander movies.
Porn star Kristin Kane writes: Not ALL fake. I am a "real" squirter and I do it when the guy f---s me right.( I squirted in Beach Bunnies with Big Brown Eyes 9) with Tyce Bune. When the guy hits the right spot I can tell him if you keep doing it just like this I will squirt. And believe me it IS real when I do it. I just thought i'd let ya know not ALL are fake orgasms.
Cecil Censored By Bob Berkowitz
Mike South appeared on the Bob Berkowitz Show on Eyada.com Friday night. You can listen to it archived at Eyada.com.
Chaim Amalek phoned in with the first call of the evening under the moniker "Abe from Manhattan." Chaim/Abe said he loved porn but was appalled by the amount of racism in the industry, which he attributed to the large number of Italian Americans in power positions in the porn industry.
Abe called for the Justice Department to enforce antidiscrimination laws in the porn industry as a good way of getting black votes.
Abe: "I have a confession to make. I freely admit that I like pornography."
Bob: "What about it do you like?"
Abe: "I have as dirty a mind as anyone. But there is one thing about pornography that does trouble me. Pornography exists in the broader world and I cannot help but note an enormous amount of racism in much of pornography. If you turn on MTV or fashion shoots or Hollywood, there is not stigma associated with the pairing of a white woman with a black man. But in pornography this is not the case. In pornography, if a white woman chooses to have sex with black men, she's taking a fateful step. There are many people thereafter who will not employ her or purchase her videos.
"If Cleo did an all black gangbang, for example, it would brand her in the eyes of the industry... And I think this is due to the presence of large numbers of Italian Americans in control of the industry who are anti-black."
Mike: "There are also Jews attached to the industry... There is no ready answer... In one case, you have big companies who shoot for cable TV. That's where they make their primary money. They sell to Ecstasy, Spice, Ten... And these guys have local affiliates, cable companies, who sell to the end user... And these cable companies will readily tell Spice and Ten, hey, you have to go real light on the interracial content or we will use the South."
Bob: "Isn't Lexington Steele, black, a major porn star?"
Mike: "In some respects. And there is a huge market for interracial. I fought a huge battle to get Midori on my boxcover of Southern Belles 7. Now this is Jody Whatley's little sister and the company I shot for was very resistent, simply because Midori was black. And I threatened to leave over it and I essentially got my way and it turned out to be my best selling title ever. I'm a total believer in letting the free market drive the economy of this business.
"But here does make a valid point. There are companies and girls that won't do interracial. I wouldn't try to make a girl to work with anyone she doesn't want to...
"Typically, the most common reason I get is, well, you know, if my parents found out, it would be bad enough that I was doing porn, but if they found out that I did a black guy..."
Abe: "What's worse? A black guy or a 200 man gangbang?"
Mike: "If Suzy Smile from New York comes to Anabolic and shoots an 18-man gangbang, doing anal, 18 pops to the face... How am I going to top that?"
Bob: "I remember when I was a reporter for the Today Show going out to legal brothels in Nevada. And I went into one of the whorehouses there and asked a woman, is there any customer you would turn down? She said, I wouldn't want to have sex with a black man. Out of respect for my husband."
Abe: "We're talking about this as though this is the first time the issue arose in American law. We have federal laws and the Department of Justice stands ready to enforce laws against racism on the job."
Bob: "They're not going to do it in a whorehouse and they're not going to do it in the porn industry."
Abe: "That ain't necessarily so... It is time they intervened."
Mike: "If they really wanted to get into the porn industry, they'd go after us on OSHA."
Bob: "Janet Reno is not going to spend her political capital busting porn stars or porn producers."
Abe: "No. But perhaps her successor under President Bush will. It's a good way to win black votes."
Mike: "The whole Anabolic Rough Sex videos, was not that the sex was rough, it was that they were putting themselves at serious risk of being put in jail for criminal assault and battery... It is against the law to strike somebody, whether you have consent or not..."
Bob: "Mike, isn't that where a segment of the porn industry is heading? Isn't that jeopardizing producers like you?"
Mike: "Yes."
Bob: "You're giving authorities the excuse to shut down the whole damn thing."
Mike: "I've said this so many times in the industry and nobody will listen. If we do not regulate ourselves, Congress will regulate us and we will not f---ing like what they are going to do to us."
Abe: "There are two venues where violence is tolerated - boxing and wrestling. Why couldn't you have a combination of porno actress boxers fighting each other?"
Bob: "We have a real live porno actress here and she's a gorgeous woman."
Abe: "Yeah, but she's not a boxer."
Mike: "If we did porn boxing, if we put boxing gloves on two girls and they fought each other, nobody's going to come after us on that... If I am on a set and I shove her head in the toilet and she gets a bruise or I slap her across the face, that's criminal assault. That is arrestable. She doesn't have to f---ing press charges."
Mike supported the imposition of a Hayes type code for porno.
Abe: "I do have one question for the woman Cleopatra. I have been ignoring her and I apologize. How old are you now?"
Cleopatra: "24."
Abe: "How old do you think you will be before you look back on this with intense embarrassment?"
Cleopatra: "I've been doing this [sex work] for six years now and I don't feel any embarrassment whatsoever for it... If I was ashamed of it, I wouldn't do it." Hopefully, when I look back on it in ten or twenty years, I will think, well, that's the decision I made. That's what led me to being whatever I will be."
Abe: "Do you always use condoms?"
Cleopatra: "Yes."
Abe: "You've never had any venereal diseases?"
Cleopatra: "Not so far."
Cleopatra talks about her first scene.
James DiGiorgio writes: "Lukey, could you have your friend, Chaim, send me that large list of Italian-Americans who are in positions of power in the porn industry? I don't think I know them, but being Italian myself, I thought if I could meet them, maybe it would do good for my career. By the way, Rob and I are shooting The Sopornos #2 this week. It's about some Italian-Americans who want positions of power in the porn industry so they can fight anti-semitism and anti-africanism...and maybe make a coupla bucks while doing it. Anyway, I'll look forward to that list of powerful Italians, and maybe any help you or Chaim can give me to get, ya know, connected... with them."
Chaim: "Dear James. How about James DiGiorgio, Rob Spallone, John Gotti Jr and Senior, Mike Esposito, John Stagliano... I could go on."
Cleopatra: "I have goals in life, which is not typical of my industry. I want everything everybody else wants. I want to live comfortably in a house and not have to worry about anything. I love travelling.
"I date men and women. I look for the extreme. I love manly men who like steak and potatos. If I am dating a man, I want him to be a man. And if I am dating a woman, she has to be ultra feminine with long hair and makeup and dresses and fingernails."
Bob: "There's not an ounce of butchiness in you."
Mike: "She's a total fem."
Cleo: "I suppose if I was only attracted to women, I'd be looking for a butchy woman because I'd be missing out on the men."
Bob: "I've had shrinks on the show who say you can be sexual with either sex, but in who you fall in love with, it is either or."
Cleopatra talks about her limits.
Why do stores sell so many comps? (from Eyada.com)
Stripper Bubbles complains about guys treating her as a sexual product
Cecil submitted these questions (the ones in parentheses weren't read on the air):
Do your parents know what you do? How do they handle the heartbreak?
Which sex acts won't you do on film?
Do you believe in God?
Are you willing to have sex with a very very fat gay man? Bob, you remember me - I am a gay man looking for a porn star with whom to be gay by proxy by having sex with her right after she has had sex with lots of hot guys. Is this woman up for that?
(There are approximately 40 phylum in the animal kingdom. With which of these are you willing to engage in sexual acts? Specifically, are you willing to have sex with a cephalopod or a crustacean? Do you smoke? Mike, please share with us some of your politics. Bill Clinton or George Bush or Lyndon Larouche? Are you willing to include me in a shoot? I have one of the old-style penile implants that never goes soft.)
Luke: Who was the Cleopatra woman?
Cecil: Some 24 year old pornet who has been doing this for six years, insists she has NEVER had a venereal disease (amazing how clean these folks are), and has a mom who proudly shows off her daughter's work in porn. Can't recall her name, she whored herself to some followers of multimillionaire jew Howard Stern on erev shabbos.
Do most porn stars end up as lesbians?
Goddess: I thought they were both sounded very articulate and intelligent--especially when Mike said I had one of the sexiest voices he'd ever heard:) LOL. Seriously they fielded the questions well and they knew what they were talking about. Why don't you listen to it today, Luke?
Luke: I am. I surfed over to Eyada.com, clicked on Entertainment, clicked on Bob Berkowitz, more information and clicked on the June 23rd show. It's a great interview and the streaming video comes across great through my cable modem.
Marc Putative: chaim, great phone call to that secular jew berkowitz. i'm impressed with your antagonistic talent. (and, unlike the netpondradio show, it came through loud and clear.) luke, the attraction to anthony robbins i just don't get--isn't he diametrically at odds with the pop philosophy of dennis prager? robbins and his giant teeth tell of how he used to wash his dishes in the bathtub and look at me now ... but, far as i recall (from my mother's own fanaticism for the fellow) he never actually explains how he found this so-called success. porn? real estate? selling his choppers as ivory to would-be elephant slayers?
Lynne adds: Selling motivational workshops and tapes to secular New Agers who abandoned divine inspiration and found themselves rudderless?
Porn Fan Manners
Mr Marcus writes on his chatboard MrMarcus.com: A little manners...you
f---in porn lovers.... Have ya'll forgotten how to treat a guest. Azlea
takes the time to stop by, express how she feels
WarmProp: where do you think the death rumours come from? what's so attractive about the thought of a Dead Porn Star that there's one of them a month?
WarmProp: ultimate punishment maybe? something a man can't have must
die instead perhaps? got around to listening to Luke F-rd Show today
:) - "different"
WarmProp: actually i liked the NJG parts a lot for some reason
WarmProp: when she's slamming you - "why can't you be good" "you're a ho" - they're very real dialogs in a way because of her voice.
WarmProp: Scorbick is wrong. "Porn" will self destruct, "Porn industry" might (as it exists now) maybe. it would move to the net instead. Hymie is right - porn is bigger than all of us.
The Rosenbergs Were Guilty and Deserved to Die
Chaim writes: This is the 50th anniversary of the North Korean invasion of South Korea. Today South Korea has the world's 11th largest economy; the economy of the communist north is a basket case. Let us have a moment of silence to remember the heroic American soldiers who halted the advance of communism.
Luke Gets Mail
Marc Putative writes: i think luke would make a better straight man sidekick than actual host, alongside a garrulous porn-consuming disc jockey type (think, just because it's a recent reference, that crazy cabbie character who's been glomming off stern). it would allow his moralistic side to better shine through--the premise as i understood it from last week's venture (granted, i didn't hear more than the first few minutes) makes him come off like a one-man band of perverts. luke's perspective is superb, but it needs to be presented within a pseudo-collaborative environment. for example, chaim's alter ego "abe" personifies the typical call-in crank. needless to say, a different disposition is needed to be a show host.
we've got to recharge this man's [Luke's] notoriety. i first found out about him from an article reprinted in toronto's now magazine (lefty freebie with mostly simplistic writing, founded by a group of jewish feminists and edited by one of one of their gentile ex-husbands), which, i believe was a reprint from salon.com. stories about anyone doing anything on the internet have now bored the print media to tears (bob berkowitz's station, eyada, is well-funded by the guy who created "the king biscut flower hour", but it's mere existence warrants no special attention). luke really needs to fulfill his potential as a commentator on all subjects; maybe pitching a cleverly composed autobiography, a la the recent best-seller by dave eggers, would help.
watch cindy margolis hit the jackpot the day she decides to pose nekkid; part of her alleged selling point is her modesty, with thousands of pics of her in bikinis, but nary a bared nipple in the bunch.
K-Man (Keith Gatehouse) writes Luke: I was the FIRST voice of adult webmasters on the former livexxxradio.com whree we interviewd the likes of Steve Cohen (Sex.com), Seth from IEG, and confronted them on s--- that only Stern would normally, ie IEG re: the bounced 7 cent checks etc etc =-) Then Ron Levi 'took' that idea, put a huge amount of money into it and started Sharky Live! The claimed they started it, but all the REAL oldschoolers know who it was, hell, that was the first place on the 'net that the term TGP [Thumbnail Gallery Post] was introduced by James Buffet himself live on the air!
Luke: Keith will soon be running for mayor of his Florida retirement village.