Friday, June 9th, 2000
Be Part of the Solution
Instead of emailing Luke that the identifications on the following pictures are incorrect, please instead be part of the solution by emailing Luke the correct IDs. Correct results may be delayed until the finish of the Sabbath (sundown Saturday).
The photos were taken by Mike South (most of them at this year's CES, but the last ones are from 1999). Mike South has much more from where this came from.
This actually isn't Luke preparing today's update. It is Curious from Modesto. Luke is observing Shuvuot, one of Judaism's three major festivals. Shuvuot celebrates God's gift of the Torah to Israel.
I, Curious, am staying at Luke's place and updating his site over these
holy days. I'm Luke's shabbas goy (non-Jew who can do stuff that Jews
are not allowed to do).
Pornoland Tour
Curious advises: Luke, Don't wimp out on the Pornoland Tour. You must strive to give every paying customer the full experience of TRUE porn stardom. First, be sure to berate all the female passengers' appearance no matter how hot they are: "You wanna sit in the front seat? Not with those tits!" Start breaking down their self-esteem immediately. First stop, World Modeling to give "Talent Agent," Jim South a blow job. If she asks why say, " Tradition," and slap her across the face. The next stop is at the plastic surgeon's office. There coerce her into getting the most obnoxiously oversized, artificial looking, breast implants conceivable: "Don't even think about getting back on this bus with anything less than FFF size melons, Bitch!"
Then two hours later when she reemerges groggy, bruised, and tender you take her to her first porn shoot where she will not only witness the filming, but actually star in the porno: "It's called bukkake you dumb cunt. Just sit back and smile. The guys do all the work you lazy whore." Remember keep ripping at her insecurities. "That's if they can get a hard-on being in the same room with an ugly skank like you!" Next take her to a local drug den and get her addicted to methamphetamine: "It will help get you skinny. You fat cow! What are you 104 lbs.? Ugh!" Then it's off to the Burbank airport for a quick trip to Reno where you've already booked her at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch Brothel. On the way keep reminding her how lucky she is to have found you and how you could have any woman you want. Force her to turn ten or fifteen tricks: "I don't care if he's 420 lbs.! f--- him! His VISA card cleared." Now remember, Luke, don't give her any of the money. You earned it not her. Then fly her back to LA. You in first class. She in coach. Take her back to the starting point. "Pimp Slap" her for 15 minutes and kick her to the curb. Pick up the next Pornoland Tours tourist. Repeat.
There it is the TRUE Pornoland Tour. The full Hollywood porn star experience in one day. Remember to give all your customers discount coupons for them to pass along to their friends. Word of mouth is your best advertising. ;-)
Andy Edmond and the Child Porn Debate
Daniel from Porntrack.com writes: Read the text about the Child Pornography debate at the CyberNexExpo last month. In particular in the last segment of the audio files you link to [www.d-moneyshow.com] Andy Edmond, owner of SexTracker, tells serious lies about the company I am part owner of. As a reponse to his accusations, slander, or whatever you call it I wrote the following message, which has also been posted on the Condom Project. I would appreciate it if you post it as a response to Andy Edmonds slanderous comments about Hi-End Media Inc/PornTrack. I can't sit back and listen as someone claims that I support child pornography.
--Message follows--
PornTrack wasn't present at the CyberNetExpo in New Orleans last month. I have since that show been contacted by several people about a debate on Child Pornography that was held there. After hearing the bulls--- that Andy Edmond of SexTracker was saying about our company I felt that I had to respond.
We do not, in any way, support child pornography. Any site we find that has anything where the content is questionable or definately child pornography is instantly removed. We screen new signups after they're created on a daily basis as well as go through our listings to catch child pornography sites.
To counter Andy's accusations, which is what I consider part of his speech to be, he has not once contacted me, or anyone who is a part of our company, regarding child pornography. If he wants to discuss ways of preventing child pornography with us we'd be more than happy to do so, as we would with anyone else.
About a year ago I had a long talk with Mr Edmond, actually one of the few talks I've had with him, regarding him telling half lies, or outright lies - like in this case, about us. He agree'd that he would stop spreading rumours about us, something which apparently has not happened. I would appreciate it if Mr Edmond would cease spreading false information about any operation I'm involved in. The only one I've really dealt with at SexTracker was Shawn Boday when he was there. Shawn did in fact report child pornography that he found in our listings before we did. They were instantly removed from our listings, with the icon on their site showing "invalid account id". I also reported child pornography sites that SexTracker had in their listings to Shawn.
PornTrack, owned by Hi-End Media Inc in full, is infact located in the United States. I do not know why Andy claims that we would avoid government agencies to protect, or at least avoid deleting child pornography sites. It's an outrageous accusation... If Andy really had come to me with the suggestion that we somehow co-operate to stop child pornography sites I would've been more than happy to do so and get a discussion going. Excuse the length of this post, but I felt it was real important that everyone understands that we, PornTrack and Hi-End Media, does not support child pornography in any way. I take offense from someone saying that we support child pornography. I take it that Mr Edmond will stoop to any level to try to beat his competition. I do not know why he would make such accusations for any other reason.
Andy Edmond writes on (http://www.weboverdrive.com/indexframe.html) :
I want to focus on the issues productively and thoroughly, anyone that knows me knows that I'm all business and want to get stuff done with the help of others. However, I have to take some of your reading time to point out that there is an agenda against me that is trying to keep me from committing my resources to dealing with this issue for nothing more than personal reasons. My resources are larger that a lot of folks, and my committment is equal to that of the likes of Alec Helmy, Snoops, Vegas Lee, and the rest. Thankfully, people are starting to see that, and accept that as a good thing, and those out there using their personal tactics to diminish that effort as being seen as the destructive folks they really are.
Please understand that we are working with a lot more responsibility that just the rise and fade public opinion of the message boards. I wish I was still in a position to ebb and flow with message board sentiment, but the day of the message boards controlling industry action is coming to a close because it is one single thing - they are ineffective in handling problems on a global picture with long term professional solutions.
We are working with very powerful commissions in DC that are going to be kicking anyone's ass that are not following the techniques I attempted to describe to the seminar room - my proactiveness on this situation brought me into information and experience that you all need to know if you want this business to continue as profitably in the past.
If I had not been working on this issue in the progressive and well researched manner I have, they you would see a massive Congressional Commission knocking on ALL our doors shutting us down. I feel that my actions have done a great deal to prevent that from happening in regards to this achillies issue for our industry.
My job up there was to take the relationships and knowledge I have worked on and pass it to the room in a solid and factual presentation.
The dissemination of that valuable information was interrupted in an organized attack on me personally in a retribution attempt by heavy competitors of SexTracker, SexSpaces and YNOT Masters - rather than working fairly to compete with me in those arenas, they irresponsibly chose to take the message of the solutions to child pornography and turn it into a "we don't like Andrew Edmond because he is our competitor, f--- his important message or not - lets just destroy him and his business so that we have more room to grow".
You see... it's a fact that these competitors were out to work towards destroying my name, the same person sitting and working on presenting honest, solid, and working solutions for us all to deal with major industry issues. I feel that if you go listen to that seminar on the D$ show again, you will see that the information I gave is complete, thorough and solid, and the attacks from the audience are irrational, desperate and destructive to the knowledge I was attempting to share with you all.
That message still sits in the archives of the D$ show if you can listen to it rationally and responsibily rather than going with the ebb and flow of how competitors draw their politics of business into industry wide leadership problems. Please understand that if you, and the rest of Top Niche continue to put competitve politics ahead of the message of knowledge and empowerment for cooperative solutions, then this industry, led by message board politics, is only digging it's own grave. Over and Out.
I have a conference call in the morning with Wired and American Express tommorow to publicly debate why they decided to take an action that cut 10% off all your bottom lines. At the very least, understand that my actions are not petty politicking among competitors with major issues on the line. The only thing I've decided to focus on for the reminder of my stay in this industry is the well being of everyone participating. .. andrew edmond
PS: Magick, if you enjoy these debates, I invite you to attend the first conference for the Adult Internet Trade Association, held in conjunction with IA2000 in New Orleans this fall - we will have six panels on VERY hot button issues with very passionate debate. We as an industry must get used to facing these issues, blood and fists or not, and get moving on working towards positive solutions for them.
Dravyk: Ok, you just said if it were not for you alone (ok, you didn't say "alone", it was however implied) that Congress would, at this very moment, be moving to shut us all down. ... Now, that is a "mighty" sentence there which I know many might regard as a "tall tale" only because it sounds so incredible. However, I am *not* going to refute it, nor am I even going to challenge you on it. I will infact for the moment give you the benefit of the doubt that this is indeed true in every sense .... That said, however, I think we all need you to please elaborate on your statement. If everyone here owes you a great debt of gratitude, Andy, then we all need to know exactly what you did and how you accomplished it.
VegasLee: It is really to bad that some of the people that have the power can not learn to work with us instead of telling us "how they are going to make it for us". Kind of scary if you think about it. Andy is a good person and it would be nice if he involved us all in "our" business instead of telling us how we should think and do. If I remember my history right, Jamestown had a self proclaimed leader also. "Don't drink the coolaid"!
Fay Sharpe, organizer of the Cybernet Expo, writes: I think you all know how I feel about POLITICS. I tried to fight it by pretending it did not exhist, and got nowhere. It is VERY DISCOURGING to have to consider if something could possibly have political overtones in considering anything I do or say. To be exact - I am pretty darn tired of it. Everyone suffers. To meet that task I had to drop the Peoples Choice Awards. I could not come up with ANYTHING to take its place for a quiet, inexpensive, relaxed evening that I have done at the shows before, that everyone seems to enjoy so much. A celebrity roast and auction was considered very strongly, but had to be dropped because of possible political overtones.
To this end I give my panels a free hand, in hopefully a non political way, looking for constructive workshops that accomplish something. When they do not, I am frustrated. Sometimes they show us how far apart we are. I think it is way past time that the leaders who are moving forward on the CP issue, set down together with NO GRANDSTANDING and work together on at least the issues that they agree on, with a line of communication that is not adversal. I don't think this can be accomplished in a panel. We just tried.
I would like to see Andy, RawAlex, and Helmy seclude themselves privately in a room, and find out exactly what they can agree on and move forward. There is a webmaster get together in Vegas in about 6 weeks. Sept is way too far down the road..... too much time lost. I am going to go out on a limb here and challenge them to come together privately, make peace, establish a communication, and get some kind of unity going on at least the things they do agree on. All in favor - say aye.
Otto from Ynotmasters.com: AYE, Sharpie! But note, Andy, Raw Alex and I did sit down privately in N.O., BEFORE the workshop, and agreed as to common ground. Others were invited, but did not attend. I (as well as Andy) have had discussions with Alec in regard to supporting a common goal. Unfortunately, that common ground got lost in a barrage of personal attacks during the workshop. Nonetheless, we are moving forward. There will be more meetings, and further actions taken. There will be more progress made before the September show. Everyone's participation is welcome. Hats off to everyone who IS making an effort to fight child porn - you are all appreciated. No one is trying to belittle anyone else's efforts in fighting child porn. No one is trying to take credit for what others have done (but really, folks, even if that was occurring, who gives a s---? Isn't fighting child porn the issue, no matter who gets recognition for it?) Don't lose site of the big picture, folks. Participate at Helmy's new ASACP Forum board. Set aside your personal dislikes and learn to play together for the common good.
Fay Sharp: Otto, I think that we need the 3 of them to meet PRIVATELY one on one - NO one else involved. Anyone missing would upset the balance, or anyone additional might do the same. Both Andy and Helmy lead strong organizations. Alex has no axes to grind, has always been a voice of reason, and holds the views of many of the grass roots webmasters. He has no politics or people to impress. He would be a good buffer. (In my opinion) Need to toss them in a room and not let them out until something is actually accomplished. hehehe....
Magick: Andy... Don't think that my previous post has accurately portrayed my feelings on this whole cp issue... First of all, you should not *ebb and flow* with board sentiment. If you are doing all that you feel you can do to battle cp in your backyard, then that is what you should continue to do. One thing I must clarify...I, myself, do NOT represent TopNiche, or any other service for that matter. I am a single webmaster expressing my *personal* opinion on what I heard. So please do not take it as "competitors" trying to destroy your name.
No one, at least no one that I know, is trying to destroy your name...in fact, I commend you for the measures that you HAVE taken, and the fact that you are courageous enough to work in cooperation with the fed. government to try to put these sick people behind bars. My posts have nothing to do with politics, Andy. I couldn't care less about politics. I state my opinions, which are formed from the information that I see, and information that is placed before me. That is why my feelings on your hosting cp sites stands...I do NOT agree with it...I never said you were not doing anything about it, I just feel that you are not doing ENOUGH about it. I did listen *rationally* to the seminar.
I am not hysterical about this, Andy. You made several valid points in the seminar, and I did not give you credit for that. That does not change the fact that there are two main issues that I have a problem with, both of which you stood firm on at the seminar...just as I stand firm on my opinions of them. I am afraid, however, that this is turning us away from the heart of the problem. This shouldn't be a case of "webmasters vs Andy"...it should be "webmasters vs childporn". You are doing things to help rid the web of this sickness...and on that level, we are all on the same side. And just because we have a difference of opinion does not mean that we all cannot work together...for if we don't, then *they* win. We can't keep fighting and expect anything good to come of it...therefore, perhaps we can "agree to disagree", and get on with business. That is why I will not post anymore on this issue on the board...I cannot see as it will be of any "true" contribution, for it only serves to stir up anger towards you, instead of where it should be going...to the disgusting sickos that do CP.
Vegas Lee: I have arranged for agents from the "Crimes Aginst Children" taskforce from the FBI to be present for a couple hours during our gathering in Las Vegas the end of july. The Las Vegas office has people assigned to just INTERNET child porn issues. Contrary to what some believe, I have been dealing with these guys for over 2 years now and they want to help us, and welcome our help if we are willing to do it right. I am inviting everyone that desires to be present to be here for this. They are going to explain to us how we can really help. What we should do and not do to deal with this problem on the Internet. They are assured me that they have to desire to check into anyone at our meeting and because of past relations with them, I believe them. They really do desire help because they know that their offices are 10 years behind regarding the Internet. They know we have the resources to combat this issue. I would like to see Andy, Alec, Alex and anyone else to come here and hear from the horses mouth what we can really do. No ego's, no leaders, no B.S. Lets let the ones that have the power to really do something about this lead us in the right direction.
Kevin Blatt from Sundownmedia.com: Otto as always you don't cease to amaze me. Always doctoring the spin in favor of Andy. Don't forget that used to be my job, I learned my lesson. Folks, all I can say id that what wasn't aired on D$'s show was a lot more stuff that buried Andy. Including her asking him if he was the founder of the drug site Lycaeum.org to which he agreed, it also contained footage of "friends" of Andy's that said he had negated himself twice, being somewhat cool, D thought he'd take it out. He was already "bleeding".
D thought it was nonconsequential however after listening to the tape again, I personally think it is very relevant since he says he is working with Governmental agencies very closely. Lee asks " does the government know about you and Lycaeum.org"? Good question. Spin it all you want, the world is learning about Mr. Edmond through his own mouth and his own words.
Granted I feel he did some excellent dodging, my guess is he had plenty of practice in school yards with big bullies who nailed his nuts with rubber ball during Dodgeball in recess. Next, maybe you'll try to tell us that D had someone magically splice the tape and the audio had been doctored. That's why D$ is showing the video VERY soon, folks see for yourself Jesus dying for our sins.
Andy Edmond, Kevin's former boss, replies: Kevin, You never cease to amaze me... everyone knows that you have a personal vendetta against me for stuff that went on at YNOT in the past.
What I am thankful for is that you helped us buy YNOT.
What I am not thankful for is that after that you decided that working a 20 hour week was below you, and the time you spent in the office promoting just your own gigs and liquidating YNOTs good reputation, and attempting to extort YNOT for more money. As an employeer, even after repeated talks about these issues, I had no choice but to fire a friend. This was one of the hardest decisions I'm had to make in my tenure in this business. However, that was nobody's fault but your own, Kevin.
For Kevin Blatt, it's all self promotion, irregardless of your duties, contractually or organizationally or industrially... before and after the event. Kevin only looks out for himself, and those he is calling his friends for that particular week. I asked you to move on with your life and make a friend of YNOT in the process, and you decided to go whacko and self destruct in front of everyone - including your old good friends, me, Bob and Otto included. JT, who was your inside guy here at Flying Crocodile to the very end is still dissappointed with your politicking that does nobody any good.
My focus is not you KB, even though your focus remains to be me. My focus is to the truth, Kevin Blatt's focus is to this warped reality that he expouses to anybody that will listen. My focus is to take serious, real issues in this industry and proactively lead constructive communication and organizations that are prepared and streamlined to handle problems in the future. While you continue to play petty politicks because of your hurt ego, we at YNOT are getting stuff done, in rapid order.
In the end, any destructive personal attacks, as we become more and more able to work towards solutions for our industry, will only make you look like the person you have become - petty in their ability to move on with their life, and one with the tenacity to attempt to destroy something good because of an injury to your ego that only you are responsible for. So Kevin, please grow up... for the good of yourself, and for the rest of us in the business.
Kevin Blatt writes: Andy tisk tisk tisk, Did someone get under your skin? Fired, NO! I think I have the proper paperwork in order showing resignation, formally... .
Give me a f---ing break- extortion? myattorney loves when you use those words- you keep burying yourself with your big mouth. Andy my self promotion and stroking of ego's like yours is what enables me to make solid relationships and friends in this industry, what you fail to realize is that when i go tete a tet with you a lot of people root me on, and most watch to see you fail.
You are simply a liar, and for the "good" of the business I plan on exposing all the liars and scumbags out there so that we may have a future in this industry and make sure that you and you're Dr. Evil mentality do not put a microscope on us. I told you I was underpayed, which I was and asked for money that you couldn't afford to give me- That's extortion?
As for my old good friends, you said it best to me on the phone Andy when you said "you have no friends, just business associates, and when you are done with them you throw them out like trash" I have a witness to the call remember? I have never doubted your brilliance Andy, just your bulls---, and there is way too much of it out there now that I did not cause- When you publically apologize for the crap you did to me, maybe I'll see you as a leader and not a con artist
And furthermore be expecting a letter from my attorney Steve Sperling, maybe you have heard of him? You just violated "our" agreement Thanks Andy maybe now I'll get that house in Hawaii. :-))
Andy: Hey Kevin, My attempt to make your animosity towards me publically known has succeeded. Indeed, most of the "ambush" at the tradeshow that you organized was stemmed from this feeling of hatred you have for me, a feeling that I simply don't deserve.
Now, I must ask, how is this productive for anybody but you? How is this productive for the issues we face as a body of hard working people? You are not destroying anything, you are just inviting back more politicking and bulls--- into an industry that already has too much. This is only about you and me, so leave it at that. Leave the issues alone. Leave the politicking to only between you and me as people, not as cliques or junior high school politicks which is your singular talent.
Let's look at the bigger picture here, KB, and act like adults. My offer of truce to you is still on the table... stop acting like a child, put your personal animosity aside, and stop involving other people in your retribution efforts. There are many other issues which must be faced and solved. Your interference in that process belittles everyone working hard on these issues. You turned a two hour conference into a showdown between your feelings and mine - a waste of over 200 people's time, putting aside the issue for your own glorification of victimization.
You have more to bring to this industry than this type of politicking. I have stood by the wayside long enough listening to your rants, your public criticisms, and your organized efforts to distort my image and my efforts for organization and consolidation of opinion within the business. It's tiring everyone Kevin, but you and me. As a gentleman, you face the crowd here at Top Niche, you tell people that you'll stop this bulls--- and leave it lie like I have since you gave me your pledge you would two months ago. Or you can tell them the truth - that your only asset at this point is divisory politicks, something that you will weild mercilessly for the detriment of all.
Kevin Blatt: Andy, There goes your arrogance again, me conspire? There were people in attendance with their own agenda, their own opinions who will not buy into your "David Kouresh" like charisma and charm- Not me, I don't remember calling you on the carpet. My name is never mentioned nor did I ask a question.
Did I confirm what was printed in your BIO on Luke F-rd's page? yes.
Did I say anything to you at the show? NO, why? because I will never look someone in the eye who did what you did to me. Politicking? ALWAYS.
Until you acknowledge the fact that you put yourself in the position you are in now, and that now you are a "public" figure you are open to satire, criticisms and the hostility of others either take the heat or get out of the kitchen. As for feeding into the destructiveness of the "show" I call it that because when you talk no one else does, it's really more like a "show".
Andy: Kevin, If you are dead set against being the fire underneath my ass, that's cool. You know I can take it. I think everyone would just want to see you successful running SunDown rather than causing turmoil in a public forum where serious issues are being discussed in front of 200 people. All I ask is that you keep your personal politicking out of the important issues, and let the people that need to focus on those issues do it without your distracting and unproductive tactics.
If we can compromise on that, I'm good. I don't mind your personal attacks through Luke F-rd, or behind closed doors, or your politicking behind the scenes - that's easy cause it just makes you look the person that I prefer you to be known as - dangerous, deceitful, and selfish above all things. You, your "friends", and I all know that to be all too true :) However, when it comes to public forums where I am participating with others in conversation and debate on major issues, can you do us all the favor and keep your politicking out of those very important arenas? I'm sure everyone would consider it a favor.
Just got off the phone with Vegas Lee (a cool guy!, never talked with him before...). Looks like he has a new lead for us all in this business with the FBI. It would appear that there is a juristictional and funding war between Customs and the FBI currently. My sources say that Customs is losing! Hooray! FBI policies say it's ok for a company like mine to burn anything IMMEDIATELY with anything remotely resembling child pornography. I am going to speak on the phone with the main KP FBI guy today and see if I can get in writing if he will stand up against Customs if they try forcing me every again to continue to host KP sites for "investigation". I'll let everyone know how it goes. We, as an industry, might just have the right to not be trapped into a beauruacratic process, and be giving the right to clean our back yards.
WhoCares: I must say there is simply alot in the industry that is going on. It's to bad that YNOT Network (such a very good name in the industry) is now in bed with one of the biggest CP promoters. If you have links to such sites on your website then what else can you be. It is a shame that YNOT is no longer owned by Rick. Atleast it would still remain honest & innocent (as much as a company can in this industry). FCI [Flying Crocodile Inc] seems very good at buy its competitors out and even those it feels will boast its distasteful image. I do see that Mr. KB may have his own agendas in place. Obviously he has other reasons for disliking YNOT & FCI. Alot of people have grown to dislike both companies after Rick sold it. Has FCI or even YNOT done anything to help the industry? Has Mr. KB even done anything to help the industry? Alot of programs out there that help remove the CP garbage. Although I do see a point that FCI is being counter productive in what they do. FCI/YNOT one promotes & one speaks against. What a two-faced company. Sad. Rick come back.
Playful: Nero [Edmond] and Kevin, I just have one question to ask both of you. In the time you have spent bickering at each other like old wet hens, don't you think the time could have been better productive in fighting the issue at hand? hmm, just a thought. I have listened to the little snippets of the cp forum and i have to tell you Nero, all i heard was a lot of double talk. No, i wasn't there, family illness prevented me from it and it's probably a good thing too, cause i for one, can tell you that arguing about the situation is not doing anyone any good. It's doing nothing but causing a delay in our actions and yours in fighting these sites that continuously keep creeping up on us. All i know is that you guys are spending so much time fighting each other, when why the hell you can't just band together on this one issue and put your differences aside and work together astounds me. This issue is way more important than who is cleaning up behind one or the other or someone's politics. Instead of a lot of double talk, put more effort into taking action and work together. heck, if the rest of us can do it, how come you guys can't? Okay, flame my butt, i really don't care, I have more important things to do, than worry about whose feelings i have hurt, i just couldn't take it anymore. This issue is one that gets my blood a boiling and my redhair flaming and i just had to voice my opinion.
Wicked Mr Marcus
XXX: "I haven't seen "Dream Quest" yet, but I read that a scene has been cut. Could it be the interracial scene between Mr. Marcus and Alexa Rae?"
David Crawford from Wicked Pictures writes: Regarding this aspect of the DREAMQUEST shoot, the simple truth is that Mr. Marcus wasn't available when we were filming. He was director Brad Armstrong's first choice for the role, but was unavailable due to scheduling reasons. The role was that of a fantasy character, "the stone guard," and we thought Mr. Marcus would have been the perfect -- He has a hard body, and he 's a great performer. So the scene was shot with Evan Stone --who did an outstanding job, not only as a performer, but also as the choreographer of the fight sequence. We painted him up as the granite warrior and shot the "THE BONUS DVD SCENE." The scene was never intended for the VHS version. It was shot for DVD only, and there are actually two on the disc. The other is a four way with Temptress, Sydnee Steele, Brad Armstrong and Dale Dabone. There are also some other bonus features such as a 40 minute behind the scenes vignette, audio star bios, director's commentary, special effects composite reel, the Wicked Casino, and much more. The DVD is being released 7-27-2000. For those of you that don't have DVD, we are releasing the VHS version at the same time.
Luke's Power Punch
Dudley Moore writes: Luke, the power of your site is due to the fact that there are so many glaring parallels between your own conflicts and those of your porn audience.
Any budding or aging porn actor/actress describes the same difficulties that confront you or anyone else publicly engaging in the porn business.
You must constantly explain, justify, and rationalize your relationship to porn and why you are in the business, just as they must.
The most glaring parallel is the frequent rationalization, universal throughout porn, "I do it for the paycheck."
You and every porn actor/actress, and anyone else in porn says this. It's the perfect rationalization.
But everyone outside of porn knows that this answer is really just a smokescreen, a way to flick a finger in the face of anyone asking for a serious answer to the question, Why are you in porn?
I believe the more revealing answer is THE SHAME OF WORKING IN AN ANONYMOUS JOB.
There's something SHAMEFUL to all of us self-sufficient adults about being forced to admit, every single day of our working lives, that we depend on our employers for work.
There is a feeling of SHAME in admitting that I depend on someone else for sustenance: I must go to work today, because otherwise I cannot support myself...this is a SHAMEFUL admission that all self-sufficient adults in society are keenly aware of.
I think the people of porn are simply LESS ashamed to have public sex than to anonymously go to work in a menial job every day. I do NOT believe it really has anything to do with making big money, since the work itself is so unreliable for most, a film here or there if they're lucky, and I doubt that most ever even make a profitable film, or even a second film. And they lose everything else in the process anyway: self-respect, family, a future in society, etc.
The other sad part of the equation is the glamor of believing that because a camera is present, they must be important, there lives must have some special significance, and they must certainly be celebrities in the making. The camera is proof positive. Even though they are universally average in appearance, acting(and otherwise), they insist that they have something special that will overcome all odds of becoming a superstar.
Like them, Luke, you are also in love with the camera.
Like them, you also believe your big break is surely just around the corner, and that celebrity is assured.
Like them, you also draw your identity itself from porn, and you always get a guaranteed big reaction from your involvement in porn.
Like them, you also must constantly justify your existence to everyone, and especially your family.
Like them, you also face the shame that your other alternative is to go back to being an anonymous shipping clerk in a mail room of some anonymous company.
So, as Jerry Springer might ask, which is really worse, guys? The shame of being just another self-sufficient adult in society, or the shame of public sex? Shame is the answer, not money.
Winners vs Losers
Tough Jewish Chick aka Amy Steinberg writes: So you losers want to be winners? The easiest way to go about this is to emulate winners - men who seek desirable women with social options who want to date and someday marry.
Step One: Since such men do NOT have large collections of pornography stashed in their apartments, a first step is to TRASH all of your porn. Yes, I know that for many of you, your porn is a life-long investment that has given you untold hours of fantasy pleasure (albeit at the cost, perhaps, of an arthritic hand), but the porn has got to go. The more you are able to satisfy your natural impulses with pornography, the less inclination you will have to meet actual women who might even want to date you. Yes, that means that the better your porn, the worse it is for you. Good porn is like good dope in that the more you have, the less motivation you have to do anything else in life and the more you will come to depend on it for pleasure. Porners are just like drug pushers or tobacco companies in this respect - they want you as losers, dependent upon them for what they provide. Any real woman is a threat to them.
So do not hide any for a rainy day. Give all of it to that nice man who comes by every week with his truck to rid you of your accumulated filth.
This won't necessarily make a winner of you, but at least it will begin to lift the cloud of loserdom that hovers over males who do things like rent XX videos. (And that has GOT to be a moral-crushing act in and of itself.) Never forget that women can spot a man who is a loser a mile off and that we will go out of our way to avoid him. And even if he should make it through our radar, believe me, our friends are there to spot him for us and provide the necessary warning. The net result is that you haven't got a prayer with us if porn is a big part of your life.
Next step: Now that you have some extra energy, DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFE! Be someone other people, Real Men and Real Women, will want to get to know, and not just some lonely loser who spends his cash on strippers and porn.
Women of Islam
Ishmael ibn Abu of Mecca, Medina, and al-Quds writes Luke: In the name of Allah the Merciful - Asalom Alekim!
A former prostitute writes to you in condemnation of Islam for its treatment of women. There is an old saying amongst the arab people that one should not engage a camel in a spitting match, so too one should not debate Islam with a prostitute in a brothel. But the internet is not quite a brothel, so I will speak to just a few of the lies that this "feminist" has uttered.
Islam was, for its time and place, a revolutionary ideology in its liberation of women, and continues in that role even unto this day. Begin with our customs of marriage. Marriage is a central in Islam, and Islam recognizes the importance of sexuality. Indeed, the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) contain many passages in which celibacy is discouraged and marriage encouraged. "Marriage is of my tradition" and "O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry . . .Marriage is half of religion." This is to be contrasted with the Christianity of the Roman Catholic Church which then, as now, saw all sexuality as at best a necessary evil, and which today imposes on its priests a prohibition against natural sex that leads many of them into the unspeakable acts of the homosexual.
So respect for sexuality and respect for women means marriage. Unlike other religions where women are treated like cattle, in Islam the woman chooses her own husband. A woman cannot be forced into marriage. And either man or woman can propose.
As in Judaism, in Islam the man and woman draw up a contract, sign it with witnesses and a judge. In this contract the woman may specify her conditions, such as she will not tolerate a second wife, whether or not she will work and so forth. Again, keep in mind that Islam provided all this when the europeans were descending into barbarism. Of course, talk is cheap, as they say, and gold dear. Therefore, the woman is given a dowry of a substantial sum of money or goods, that remain hers in the event of the husband's death or divorce. This wealth goes directly to her, and remains in her control to do with as she pleases, as does any other wealth she possesses before marriage. Contrast this with the idol worshiping hindus, who impoverish their families and devalue their daughters beneath the level of cattle by demanding great dowry to be rid of a daughter!
Islam is egalitarian in its fundamental belief of the worth of marriage: In the Qur'an Allah says "Among His signs is this: He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find rest, peace of mind in them and He ordained between you love and mercy."
It is interesting to note that in Qur'anic Arabic, there is no word for husband and wife, but rather a single word for the two which connotes one half of a matched pair.
The treatment expected from the husband, whether or not he is on good terms with his wife, is clearly laid down in the Qur'an: "Live with them in kindness, even if you dislike them; perhaps you dislike something in which God has placed much good "(C.4, V.19) and in the hadith we see "The best among you are those who are kindest to their wives."
Where in Christianity, Judaism, or Hindu can similar sentiments be found?
Some westerners take offense at the code of Sharia, which requires women to dress modestly so as to hide their feminine treasures from the corrupt eyes of man.
This is not oppresive, this is liberating! Such dress frees the woman on the street from having to compete with her younger or prettier looking sisters for the approval of men, who look with base thoughts in their hearts. When a woman wears the chador, she cannot be instantly judged on the basis of physical attributes over which she generally has no control, it then follows that society will more likely judge her for her individual merits. Contrast that with how you in the west judge women, as fruit to be eaten when ripe and discarded when old or blemished. The result in your pornography besotted world is rape, venereal disease, and prostitution in the west, and pornography (by which use I include all immodest advertising and video) worsens it all. These are much less of a problem in the Muslim world.
I do not claim that Islamic nations are perfect, as many who speak in the name of the Prophet speak out of ignorance. But on the whole, a society that lives according to the teachings of the Prophet will do much better for its women than one that teaches its sons about women by feeding them pornography when they are young. The harlot viper pornographer who spat at Islam owes all muslims an apology.
Ishmael ibn Abu of Mecca, Medina, and al-Quds
(In the interest of honesty I acknowledge that several of the sentences quoting from the Qur'an were adopted from several web sites on Islam. The related commentary however, especially contrasting Islam with other faiths and as concerns the code of Sharia, and the bulk of this message, is entirely my own.)
Porno hanger-ons; deadwood desperados or adding value?
Loveladies writes: I agree with the comment that Chessie Moore, Marilyn Chambers, Sharon Mitchell, ginger lynn and Christy Canyon are clinging to porn like deadwood. I would also include Teri Weigel, Bianca Trump, and others who have left and came back because they can't or don't know how to do anything else. Everyone knows it. But Nina Hartley and Brandy Alexandre don't fit in the list. Nina is very well-spoken and is a great advocate for the porno business. She is still very useful to and for the porno business as a spokesperson and an example that porn girls can be smart. She's good for the image of the girls even when 3/4 of them don't deserve it or qualify. I think she should have retired a long time ago and little things she does now that she didn't do before give the impression that she might be deadwood, but the way she tries to be useful in other ways makes it forgiveable.
Brandy Alexandre is a pistol. She keeps everyone honest, ready to expose the party line whenever someone utters it. That's why she has acquired so many detractors, but I think she should revel in it. Whoever wrote this article is only aping what others say don't know if any of its true. I don't think its true, Brandy is the bomb. She doesn't hang around she's just available. When she isn't being attacked or asked honest questions by people looking for honest answers you don't hear from her. Reading her guestbook of people who never heard of these newsgroups you'd never think she had a single person who wouldn't fall on there knees just for a nice chat over dinner. She doesn't hang out at the conventions or anything which proves she doesn't need the porno industry or its superifical praises. The last to times I saw her at anything [1999 CES and 1999 Free Speech Coalition event] she was still hot but had a boyfriend du jour with her. It was probably their idea.
All the guys are excused like Tom Byron, Randy West, Rocco and Ron Jeremy. Talk about deadwood. And porn stars don't have to have been in the biz a long time to be deadwood. Jenna is excused along with Asia and other girls too numerous to list.
Mr Owsley writes on RAME: I'm sure that a small percentage of the older women actually like what they're doing and stay in the business. But I'd bet the majority have made the decision that they are "stuck" so to speak in this profession and don't have the skills to do anything else that pays a comparable amount of money. On the flip side of that, I'd bet that many of the young women that leave the business after a few months have grown tired of he humiliation and abuse and/or have realized that there's no long term future for the majority of women in porn... so they look for other jobs.
Ridley99 writes on RAME: Man you have a lot of nerve, f--- all this talk about body fat and who is deadwood, the question is not deadwood as much as it is who gives you wood. Women like Nina Hartley, Kiesha, Christy Canyon , Shanna McCullough may not be spring Chickens but they get my dick as hard as reinforced cement. Sure we all like fresh meat , but the girls you mentioned are legends, who have launched more semen then the US Navy, and f--- it long may they wave, long may they suck, f---, DP, and do anything else they want, because no matter what thier body fat is they are just plain phat...and thats a good thing. I don't know about you but I like a good wine aged to perfection...you on the other hand may be happy with a can of diet rootbear. To each his own.
AJB writes on RAME: Chessie Moore has great freak value. She's kind of a cultural "YIELD" sign for sexuality. People look at Chessie Moore and what she duz and it visually, dramatically draws a line between the normal world of sexuality and the supra-normal world of porno-sexuality. To put it another way, an aging porn starlet like Chessie Moore is to ordinary women what Lex Luther (Superman's arch nemisis) is to the boss or supervisor you have in your workplace. The bizzare & astonishing vs. the mundane and normal. Pornstars are like the superheroes (or supervillians) of sexual reality (and, you know, Chessie Moore's face actually looks a lot like Dr. Octopus). In this sense, I appreciate Chessie Moore as a minor cultural icon, a sub-conscious delimiter of my spank-the-monkey reality. She is everything I hope my sisters, nieces or woman friends never become.
On the other hand, several years back when Chessie Moore was a new performer and considerably younger looking, she popped my load as I watched her on video. I recall a good jail scene where she does a lesbo rape/seduction of some chick dazed out of her mind. And I'm like an elephant that's fed peanuts: if a porn starlet makes me cum once then I'm a fan of hers for life.
I think video sales will say it all. I don't know how well Chambers' and Lynn's new vids are selling but I suspect they're doing okay if not quite well (judging by media visibility and RAME talk). If people out there are getting off on them, then they are added value, hands down. This isn't to say that anything that sells well really has quality. Better to launch ten thousand giant, ethusiastic fan loads than a hundred thousand weak, dribbling fan loads.
What's this obsession with body fat percentage? Geez. I'm turned on by slim girls more often than hefty babes but, still, it's all good. And you have to concede there are plenty guys that are chubby chasers... I've never understood dudes who what to f--- the fat folds of 500 pounds beasts like Taylor Veigh but to each his own. The other element is that when I see an 80s/early 90s porn starlet like Victoria Paris (whom I saw last year) I see her through the prism of my horndog memories of her in the past. Your eyes kind of filter out the blubber if deep down you've got this image in your mind's eye of the 80s porn babe swallowing your dick.
Donedone writes: Gotta love the old tired porn star that cant hang it up. The old ladies are addicted, lets face it. Their self esteem must be shrivelled up after years of f---ing for money, so they stick in it and hide behind softcore production, or rubber vagina lines, or the title of "swinger".
Strip club owners and powerful porners dont want white women to have sex with black men? Is that cause they want to shelter these "innocent" women from big black cocks? Or is that cause all powerful porners and club owners have little dicks.
And to finish off, I recently got a tape of Careena Collins getting the s--- beat out of her. Its quite an amazing video. Wonder if you have seen this or if any of your fans have seen it. Some big black guy beats her silly. She seems to love it. Severe S and M, wild s--- Luke....
Fat Horny Middle Aged Women
Lynne writes: Dear Dudley Moore: If porn is part of a neurotic, self-defeating behavior pattern, and an addiction whenever it appears as part of an isolated, circumscribed behavior, does that mean that using porn as an aid to masturbation is a neurotic, self-defeating behavior pattern and addiction?
You are observant in recognizing that there is an inverse relationship between a woman's attractiveness and how openly lustful she is. Attractive women who get lots of attention value themselves; a woman who is openly lustful is devalued by society. A woman who gets little attention doesn't mind a little societal disapproval if it means some attention, and a woman of value doesn't need to damage her reputation by being openly lusty. In fact, being labeled a "slut" by her female peers is really damaging to a girl's self-esteem.
"The frightening reality is that the most openly horny heterosexual women are fat, ugly women in their fifties(most often). When you see them in a group, lounging around talking, you know they have sex on their minds!"
This must be scary, too, for a guy. Are attractive women in their fifties also openly horny? Or even if we are not fat nor ugly, like Lauren Hutton or Goldie Hawn, are we still scary? I am glad that most fat, ugly women avoid hanging out with me, because I don't want to be around the scene you describe, since if I am staring at a man's crotch, I'm asking to be taken round the back and f---ed behind the dumpster. It doesn't always happen, but that's because I have the self-control not to start trouble and read a book instead.
Of course attractive women have plenty of choices out there, and just like men, they want to look good and impress their social groups. Both genders seek the most desirable, the most sought after. And all women feel most comfortable in a monogamous relationship, and in private, where they feel safest. Being only 4" 11", all guys are tall to me. My late husband was 6' 5", and I know tall girls weren't thrilled about me absconding with one of their potential mates, but he preferred little women. And tall is not proven success -- there are plenty of geeky tall guys.
And you know what? Some tall guys have really little dicks, while some guys of average height, like Dave Hardman, have beautiful big dicks. Women love to look up with longing looks to their men, period, especially if it gets them jewelry! If the underlying explanation for the difference in male/female horniness is indeed hormonal, women are trapped by biological destiny never to crave sex and, if they should, it represents physiological disturbance as well as abnormal behavior.
Are fat, ugly women in their fifties are hormonally off balance (which indeed they are during menopause), and therefore to be pitied as ill? Or are they finally cognizant of what they want from life and have nothing left to lose (nor much hope of getting laid) by harassing the poor, hairy-chested darlings? I have always been a very lusty female. Could I have a hormone imbalance? Or is my love of sex just a form of mental illness brought on by years of abuse by men? Bruce always told me "my pilot light was just turned a notch too high." I wonder...
Julia Ann & Sean Michaels
Thom writes: Your reporting and photos on the shoot that happened but won't be shown was very interesting. But I smell some kind of rat. I can't believe that someone would take a loss of $12,000. Julia Ann's reason for not releasing the tape totally contradicts the eye witnesses of the shoot, who said it was romantic, not pornographic. Also, Mr. Michaels himself admits he does not like the word pornography. So I think that Ms. Julia Ann is building up a lot of steam to a release. Judging from the photos you posted, it does look romantic and we need more of that. I hope the tape isn't damaged and it will be released. Please keep us informed.
Visa, Mastercard Next
Newsmax.com writes: With the Microsoft monopoly case almost behind them, Justice Department trust busters are setting their sights on their next target: Visa/MasterCard. The Justice Department and the owners of the Visa and MasterCard companies will square off Monday in Manhattan's federal courthouse in the first rounds of a knock-down-and-drag-out battle between the government and the banks that run both credit card giants. At issue is the perception that rather than being two separate companies, Visa and MasterCard are two peas in the same pod, and that since they have not competed in the credit card field in the full sense of the word, they are a monopoly that freezes out competitors such as American Express and Discover.
Luke Gets Mail
Angry homo man with tiny dick Harri writes: I was reading http://www.salon.com/sex/world/2000/06/07/egypt/index.html and was wondering if you have a chance to get in touch with any producers or industry people on your future journey to the land of the Chosen? I'd certainly like to read some interviews about Israel porn industry.
NJG & Luke Interview Julie Rage
Nice Jewish Girl and I interviewed retired porn star Julie Rage, wife of director Greg Steel, in IRC Thursday.
<l-keford> hi julie, how was new orleans?
<njg> do we introduce julie first?
<justjulie> i had a blast first time
<njg> Julie Rage is a very famous pornstar
<justjulie> haha
<njg> beautiful and blonde and in tiptop condition
<l-keford> you looked great
<l-keford> how do you like living in atlanta?
<justjulie> thank you i feel really good
<justjulie> i love it here then men are great , have manners
<justjulie> lots of nature
<justjulie> im happy
<njg> Julie, are you still working?
<justjulie> could do without the humidity
<justjulie> me no
<justjulie> well yoga
<njg> when did you retire?
<justjulie> does that count
<njg> yes it does
<njg> I love yoga
<justjulie> what about 2 years agp
<njg> what kind do you do?
<justjulie> i watch alan fing on cable
<njg> iyengar or integral or jivamukti?
<njg> hmm
<njg> good eh?
<njg> relaxing?
<justjulie> i dont know its a show on cable
<justjulie> i think its a combo
<njg> ic cool
<justjulie> i feels good
<justjulie> streach the bones
<njg> I don't think my cable station carries it
<justjulie> bummer
<njg> which cable station?
<justjulie> its on the health channel
<justjulie> charter
<njg> yeah San Francisco has the lamest cable co in America
<njg> we don't get it :(
<justjulie> yeah i know when i was ther there
wsnt a thing to watch
<njg> I know!
<justjulie> unless u like trash talk shows
<njg> it's ridiculous! we are the home of arts! and interesting stuff
<njg> so how long have you been married now Julie?
<justjulie> 3 years
<justjulie> very happy
<justjulie> greg is a great husbsand
<njg> and is he in the industry? a director?
<justjulie> u know im in the middle of building my site right
<njg> ic
<justjulie> yea he is greg steel
<njg> cool
<justjulie> he was a director
<justjulie> thats how we met
<njg> what is the url of your site for your fans out there?
<justjulie> i think everyone knows this though
<justjulie> www.julierage.com
<njg> and your fans can check it out and see
your work,
correct?
<justjulie> the launch date is in 2 weeks
<justjulie> ive been working real hard on this
<justjulie> it is a combo fan/member
<njg> did you hire someone or just by yourself?
<justjulie> there is a hugh free section
<njg> that will be great
<justjulie> no i hired a graphic artist and awebmaster
<njg> cool
<justjulie> when its up ill give u an email
<justjulie> to check it out
<njg> that's great, I can't wait :)
<justjulie> you know im making a movie
<njg> you are?
<justjulie> this summer
<njg> do tell
<njg> what's the name?
<justjulie> well greg wrote a scrip
<njg> yes?
<justjulie> and greg is a killer screenwriter
<njg> and who is it going to be shot for?
<njg> yeah? cool
<justjulie> i love making movies with him
<njg> :)
<justjulie> he is a actor's director
<l-keford> yes
<njg> that's cool
<njg> he'll be directing too?
<l-keford> i did a movie for him
<justjulie> he is big into the acting part
<justjulie> which is the fun part for me
<njg> you did?
<njg> that's cool
<justjulie> you didi?
<justjulie> what one?
<justjulie> excuse the typos
<l-keford> The Trickler Effect
<njg> where you play a journalist?
<justjulie> i remeber the first time i met you luke
<justjulie> oh yeah
<justjulie> i remeber
<justjulie> on holiday's set
<justjulie> remeber for that book
<njg> yeah, some directors are nuts right? yelling and going crazy
<justjulie> i had one do that
<njg> how did you deal?
<justjulie> but i just dont go back for more
<justjulie> there are alot of nice directors out ther a girl dont need to put up with that
<njg> how does a guy handle that? there's more pressure somehow
<justjulie> i wouldnt wanna be a guy in this biz
*** njg sets mode: +o l-keford
<njg> yeah, it seems really tough
<justjulie> i respect the guys who can do this
<njg> and the money isn't that great
<justjulie> no it isnt
<justjulie> thank god girls have lube
<njg> who were your favorite men to do scenes with?
<justjulie> heheh
<njg> hehe
<justjulie> herschel Savage
<njg> interesting
<justjulie> peter north
<justjulie> was a gentelman
<njg> yeah girls love him I hear
<justjulie> a sweetie
<justjulie> hersch and i had great sex together
<njg> that's cool
<justjulie> a chemestry
<njg> amazing
<justjulie> steve hatcher
<justjulie> just cause he is a doll
<njg> k
<justjulie> its been a few years hard to remeber evryone
<njg> haha :)
<justjulie> if I forget someone Im sorry
<njg> oh yeah and I was gonna ask you about John Decker *sigh*
<njg> so do tell!
<justjulie> ok what u wanna know?
<njg> is he as cute off screen as on?
<justjulie> he is very good looking great teeth
<justjulie> he and rox made a cute couple
<njg> yeah
<justjulie> :)
<njg> he's a hottie for sure
<justjulie> he had a dirty little mind too
<njg> hehe
<njg> really?
<njg> sounds like him
<justjulie> so what do you think of the long hair look
<justjulie> should I keep it?
<njg> yes
<njg> it looks great on you
<justjulie> yes cute it ?
<justjulie> cut it?
<njg> no longer hair is good on you
<justjulie> ok just for u
<njg> it's softer
<njg> awww :)
<justjulie> yeah
<njg> I liked your shorter hair too
<justjulie> i do have a soft side
<justjulie> luke do u have an opinion?
<njg> you always had the best body
<justjulie> thanks
<njg> natural? no eating disorders?
<njg> lean naturally?
<justjulie> ive softened up in atlant a
<justjulie> all the good food
<njg> did you have to watch what you ate when you were working?
<justjulie> i have never dieted
<justjulie> no
<njg> lucky!
<justjulie> bad food on set though
<njg> you didn't have to go to the gym?
<njg> yeah? like what food on the set?
<justjulie> to have muscles yes
<justjulie> but not to be thin
<justjulie> crap food
<justjulie> i love to eat
<justjulie> but i dont like junk food
<justjulie> wanna see a cut e pic
<njg> I love it but it's too fattening
<njg> sure
<justjulie> ok hang on
<justjulie> this is me in no
<njg> cool
<njg> downloading it
<njg> did you give it to luke too?
<justjulie> what u doing luke?
<njg> he can put it on his site
<njg> I don't know if we wanna know tee hee
<justjulie> u want some good stuff?
<njg> he gets excited just having girls speak
<justjulie> that is just a cute one
<justjulie> hahah
<njg> he does!
<l-keford> hey
<justjulie> here
<njg> so Julie, you and Greg have a nice place in Atlanta?<njg>
so how did you get into the biz, you said you were a good girl, I am
curious
<justjulie>
ok fire away
<justjulie>
i answered a ad for jim south
<njg>
b/c you always looked kind of punk to me
<njg>
like you were part of the LA punk scene like I had been
<justjulie>
to do nude modeling
<njg>
ic
<justjulie>
no
<justjulie>
never got into punk
<njg>
did you rise up through the ranks very fast?
<justjulie>
i was a rock girl
<njg>
that's cool
<justjulie>
i donk know if i ever did
<njg>
did you ever date any rock guys?
<justjulie>
no
<justjulie>
greg is the only guy
<justjulie>
i was into making money
<njg>
julie, when I had spice and adam and eve you were a top performer
<justjulie>
no time to date
<njg>
that's cool
<njg>
hehe I hear that
<justjulie>
:)
<l-keford>
yes i am logging
<l-keford>
i like the long hair best, julie
<justjulie>
yeah
<njg>
omg, look what the cat dragged in
<njg>
he finally responds like 5 minutes later!
<njg>
ok, yes I do too julie, the long hair is becoming
<justjulie>
thanks if u want some pics let me know ive got some great new stuff
<njg>
but the short hair was great too
<njg>
it was very very cool, you had a very cool look
<justjulie>
it was different
<njg>
that's what was so cool about it
<justjulie>
no one else had short hair at the time
<njg>
I know
<njg>
it was daring
<njg>
I love short hair on women, and if I didn't have curly hair, mine would
be way short
<justjulie>
i just got out of the army so thats why it was short
<njg>
o how long were you in the army for?
<justjulie>
i was a reserve
<njg>
ic
<njg>
did you go to catholic school?
<justjulie>
no southern baptist
<njg>
religious upbringing, like luke
<njg>
was your family church goers?
<justjulie>
well not exactly
<justjulie>
just on sunday
<l-keford>
yes julie, i would love some pics
<njg>
ic
<justjulie>
its ok to be bad just do good on sunday
<njg>
hehe
<justjulie>
thats what i got from it
<njg>
kind of hypocritical
<justjulie>
dont get me wrong i believe in god
<njg>
yeah
<justjulie>
just not down w/ church
<njg>
ic
<justjulie>
ok ill dcc em or email/
<justjulie>
?
<njg>
so you don't attend church now then right?
<justjulie>
no
<njg>
do you still consider yourself a southern baptist?
<justjulie>
i just try to be a good person be kind to other
<njg>
that's cool
<justjulie>
no i am a god loving person
<njg>
yes
<l-keford>
so what are you doign these days? yoga?
<justjulie>
no particular religion
<l-keford>
and what is greg working on? doesn't he have some big mainstream movie
project?
<justjulie>
yoga, i read alot, building my site
<justjulie>
he workds for a tv station
<njg>
what are you reading lately, anything good?
<justjulie>
and i watch discovery channel
<justjulie>
i just read " a case for jesus"
<l-keford>
by who?
<justjulie>
i love dean koontz
<justjulie>
want me to run upsairs and get it/
<njg>
k
<justjulie>
k
<justjulie>
lee strobel
<njg>
ic
<njg>
sounds good
<justjulie>
it was
<njg>
so, julie did you have any problems with your family due to your career?
<justjulie>
very academic study on the existance of jesus
<justjulie>
no not at all
<justjulie>
my family loves me
<njg>
how long were you making movies?
<justjulie>
4 years
<njg>
were you on a contract?
<justjulie>
no
<njg>
wow I thought you were
<justjulie>
no never
<l-keford>
how did a religious girl wound up in porn and how did your family react
<justjulie>
hummm good question
<justjulie>
i was divorced
<justjulie>
fresh out of the army
<justjulie>
answered an ad to jim south
<njg>
were you living in LA at that time?
<njg>
are you originally from LA?
<justjulie>
yes i lived in la my whole life
<justjulie>
born
<njg>
what part? (me too!)
<njg>
yeah where?
<justjulie>
long beach
<njg>
I was from the Valley
<justjulie>
lived in the gay section
<njg>
and your family still lives in Long Beach
<njg>
weho?
<justjulie>
no my mom moved my grandparents are dead so no one left
<njg>
west hollywood? or the gay section of LB
<justjulie>
gay section of lb
<justjulie>
it was fun
<njg>
I didn't know LB had a gay section
<justjulie>
very quiet
<justjulie>
very hugh
<njg>
yes, it definitely is
<njg>
huge you mean?
<justjulie>
more descrete than w. hollywood
<njg>
ic
<justjulie>
yeah huge
<njg>
so now you are a soccer mom of sorts? :)
<justjulie>
hah
<justjulie>
we are not going there in this interview
<njg>
ok
<justjulie>
luke knows my feeling on this matter
<njg>
ok
<justjulie>
thank u
<njg>
well, thank you for the interview Julie
<justjulie>
welcome
<njg>
it has been wonderful
<justjulie>
that was painless
<justjulie>
:)
<njg>
you are very nice and I hope your website does really well
<justjulie>
luke how u want your pics?
<justjulie>
thank you i miss the fans
<njg>
I am still envious of your perfect body and want one just like it
<justjulie>
cant wait to interreact with them again