Tuesday, May 23rd, 2000
Obscenity Prosecutions
WASHINGTON (AP) - House Republicans charged Tuesday that the Justice Department is ignoring the growth in online obscenity cases in its focus on online child pornography.
Deputy Assistant Attorney General Alan Gershel admitted that the department's online enforcement efforts focuses on child pornography ``primarily but not exclusively'' to obscenity but argued that online child pornography was the worst form of obscenity.
Chester the Real Life Molestor Dead
Hustler cartoonist Dwaine Tinsley died today. He was best known for his "Chester the Molestor" cartoon strip in Huster. He was convicted in 1990 for sexually molesting his daughter.
Barely Legal - Best Series in Porn
Pat Riley writes on RAME: Barely Legal (based on the first three volumes) is the best series currently in porn. Best movies overall. I still can't get #4. Followed by the Dane Productions/Forbidden Films lines with Panty World at the top. Whoever does the camerawork and lighting for this series should get some sort of award.
Asia Carrera Ponders Her Post-Porn Life
On her excellent site www.asiacarrera.com, Asia ponders what to do with her post-porn life. She writes on her Bulletins page:
"I'm so tired of the media constantly hyping "porn's exploitation of women", and perpetuating that tired old cliche of pornstars as "helpless, naive young girls, enslaved by evil smut peddlers, and forced to perform lewd sex acts to feed 3 small kids and a drug addiction..." Puh-leeze! I've been here six years now, and all I have to say about THAT one is, 'Don't believe the hype!'. The REAL issue that adult film stars face after a few years in porn, actually stems from the exact OPPOSITE of all the exploitation malarkey. As I'm thinking more about what I'd like to do in my "post-porn" life, I'm realizing just how spoiled we girls really are in this industry, and how few occupations offer the flexibility, paychecks, and perks we enjoy here. People think pornstars do porn because they can't do anything else, but that's just another myth - most of the girls had 'real-world' jobs before they entered porn, and many even have college degrees. But it's extremely difficult for starlets to maintain the discipline or desire to return to that 9-5 rat race after enjoying the freedom and flexibility of pornoland's lifestyle. Pornstars make a lot of money for comparatively few hours' work, with no boss to answer to, no 9-5/mon-fri ritual, and the option to work as often or as little as they please. Perks also include invites to glamourous media and social events, travelling the world for signings and appearances, and lucrative ego-boosters like fan clubs, websites, and endorsements."
Curious writes: Luke, Was that a typo on Asia's website? Was it "I'm just realizing just how spoiled we girls really are in the industry ..." or "I'm just realizing just how soiled we girls really are in the industry ..." ?
Ms. Carrera is perpetually rationalizing her dubious career choice on her site. Now she's pointing out all the "perks" in her fabulous life: invites to glamorous media events (I cut the ribbon at Hustler Hollywood!), traveling the world for signings (Sure, if by the "world" you mean driving six hours to Vegas for the CES show and sleeping on Mad Jack's couch.), and lucrative ego boosters like endorsements (Endorsements for what? Astro Glide? Your own line of plastic vaginas?)
Spoiled? Who the hell is she kidding? Why can't she just say, "f---ing for a living beats working for a living." Right now she's at her peak in two more years she's going to be smiling into the camera with a bukkake bowl under her chin. Her face and hair glistening with the spunk of 78 parolees. Do you think she will still be thinking, "Oh, the glamour! I am so spoiled!"?
Jenna Jameson Rumors
A rumor started Sunday on www.mrmarcus.com that porn star Jenna Jameson was raped and is in the hospital.
Tuesday night, Jenna Jameson apparently posted to MrMarcus.com: "Let's end the rumours once and for all: I wasn't raped. It was a lie spun by this black motherf---er who dares to call himself a human being. Shame on you, Mr. Marcus! Wait for my lawyer's call, you dick!"
Upon reading the rumors on MrMarcus.com, I called Jenna's husband and left a message. I heard back from Jenna early Tuesday aftenoon. Jenna is fine. She has not been raped. She's enjoying the Keyes in Florida and partying madly.
Luke: "You sound fine."
Jenna: "It sounds to me like he's just trying to get some ratings for his website. He's just trying to draw traffic to his site. I don't really know him that well and I never talk to him, and even if I was raped or anything else for that matter, he wouldn't know about it. Just another person trying to impinge on my vacation.
"I'm on vacation right now. I came down to Key West and am partying."
Luke: "So you're fine and well and everything?"
Jenna: "Yeah, just as crazy as ever. I'm totally on vacation. I'm just partying. I'm having a good time. Isn't it Memorial Day weekend coming up? Yeah, so we're going to be partying all weekend here."
Jenna marries porner Justin Sterling in September.
Luke: "Have you made any decisions about where you're going with your adult movie career?"
Jenna: "I am certainly finished with Wicked. That's already happened. I had a meeting with Steve and I've wrapped all my loose ends over there. And I finished my movie "Dream Quest" and that's the last night I am going to be doing anything with Wicked."
Luke: "You've met all your contractural obligations there?"
Jenna: "Yeah. I'm completely through. Now I'm concentrating on getting my new website up. It's clubjenna.com. It will be up in the next month... I'm putting together so much stuff. I'm shooting videos. I'm going to have a 24-hour webcam in my house. All new photo shoots, online trading tips, everything."
Luke: "Are you appearing in these new videos?"
Jenna: "Oh yeah, absolutely. It will be the only place you are able to get [new] hardcore Jenna Jameson. I've already shot about six."
Luke: "Which men do you perform with?"
Jenna: "That's a surprise but everyone will know once the site is up."
Luke: "So what else have you been doing in the past couple of months?"
Jenna: "That's pretty much it. I've just been concentrating on shooting as much stuff as possible. I'm in a big lawsuit with another website company because they released a videotape of me which is completely unauthorized. So I've been immersed in that lawsuit. I've been dancing constantly."
Luke: "You sound in good health."
Jenna: "I am in perfect health."
Luke: "What is the website you are suing?"
Jenna: "I don't want to publicize who they are because people will go and give them money. But they're quoting themselves as the official Jenna Jameson website. And they're completely ripping me off. Every time I put something up on my website, they steal it and it is really ridiculous. Then they released this video... They bought this videotape that was stolen from me. That I was going to use. I was going to do a video called "Jenna on the Road." It was all behind the scenes stuff with me on the road. In my dressing room, on stage, all this really cool stuff that people are interested in. They can get to know the real Jenna. And it was stolen from me by someone who I thought was close to me. And it was released and now I am seeking monetary damages."
Luke: "Your new website is not associated with Joy King or Wicked?"
Jenna: "Not with Wicked. Joy King will forever be my home dog. And Stevie will always be my home dog. Don't get me wrong. I love them all. We just went our separate ways."
Luke: "Are they business partners with you in your new website?"
Jenna: "Absolutely not. This is all me. And the good part about it is that I can go my own direction. I was always fighting with people because I wanted it to be a certain way and they didn't think it should be that way. This [Jennaclub.com] is going to be a good avenue for me. I can do the things that I have always wanted to do. Because I think I know what guys want to see. So it will be interesting to see if it works."
Luke: "Is Joy still operating your fan club?"
Jenna: "No. That's going to go directly through my new website ClubJenna.com."
Luke: "Who owns JennaJameson.com?"
Jenna: "I am in a lawsuit with them also. I have a fulltime lawyer hired that all he does is go after people to shut down sites. Because right now I am the number one download on the internet. And there are 156,000 separate sites that are pirating my name. So it is a fulltime job. I need a team of lawyers to do this. As long as I give my letters out to cease and desist, and keep on it, it should be successful."
Luke: "Don't you have a website with Joy King and Wicked?"
Jenna: "That's JennaJ.com. And that's still operating. And I don't have a problem with that. They gave me a lot of stuff. They have all my movies. And my fans want to be able to get those things online. I'm taking my website in a totally different direction. So it will be totally different. It will be the number one site on the net, sorry Luke."
Luke: "Will you recover that behind the scenes tape?"
Jenna: "I am going to get it back. And I am still continuing to shoot it... It's already been released and so I am sure that a lot of people have already seen it. But I am definitely going to get all the footage, reedit it, and put in the things I want to put in. I was going to use it as wraparounds for sex scenes. And put out my own line 'Jenna on the Road.' And have sex scenes with all the girls on the road... They put it out as a softcore crappy video. It's totally not what I would've done with it."
Luke: "Have people given you heat for not doing scenes with blacks?"
Jenna: "A lot of people ask me about that. When am I going to do an interracial scene. And I have nothing against it. I just haven't done it. I don't know. I just haven't done it. I've never had sex with a black guy before and I've never really wanted to."
Luke; "What about with a black girl?"
Jenna: "Actually I did a scene in The Kiss with two black girls. I have no problem with it. I think black guys are sexy. I don't know. I guess I am a little scared of things I haven't done. I am a little spooked out by it."
Luke: "Have you done anything with the E Channel in the last few months?"
Jenna: "No, actually, I was going over to Cannes [for the E Channel] but I decided at the last minute not to do it. Because it is just getting kinda played out, the whole thing. I'm trying to go in a different direction. You can only do the same thing so many years in a row. Boring! I'm bored. I want to do this website thing because I think it is going to be the most fun. I'm sick of doing the E Channel... I can only have them follow me shopping so many times. I run out of things to shop for."
Luke: "You were dancing with Nikki Tyler."
Jenna: "What's the status of Hell on Heels? We've had quite a few days together. But it is rough going on the road together. I love Nikki more than anything in this world and I don't want anything to come in between us. And there have been quite a few little spats on the road. And it has come to the point where we are killing each other. We almost got into a fist fight. So I was pretty much, we better put the breaks on here."
Luke: "When did you guys last dance together?"
Jenna: "At the Foxy Lady in Rhode Island about a month ago."
Luke: "Did you ever hear from the girl you fought with at CES?"
Jenna: "No."
Luke: "Have you gotten into any more fist fights with anyone?"
Jenna: "No, it is so funny. After that whole situation, I told myself that I need to slow down on my temperament because that is not becoming of a lady. I'm Italian. I have a bad temper. I can't help it. As of lately, I have gotten into a few situations where I felt like hitting somebody and I didn't do it. So there you go. I've learned my lesson, everyone out there. So nobody yell at me anymore"
Luke: "A kinder gentler Jenna."
Jenna: "I'm trying. Hey, I'm still young. I'm still learning. I can't do everything right."
Luke: "Thank you for filling me in."
Jenna: "No problem. By the way, I've been down off the net for about a month and a half. Because I got a virus and it crashed my whole computer, my whole hard drive. Everything was ruined. I moved houses. I bought a new house so I just got my new computer set back up. I'll be back online next week."
Luke: "Did you get the I Love You virus?"
Jenna: "No I didn't. I had gotten another virus from Prague or something... Pretty Parts virus. South Park, I don't know. I'm illiterate. And I know my fans have been going crazy. They thought I was dead or something. I heard a few rumors that I had overdosed for the seventh time... There's no ending. I'M NOT ON DRUGS!
"Everyone said that I had overdosed because I wasn't answering my emails."
It appears that porn star Mr Marcus tried to stir things up by starting a rumor Sunday on his site www.mrmarcus.com that Jenna had been raped.
MYSTICALP: mrmarcus is playing games trying to make her look bad...because she wont do blacks.
Sin City contract girl Zoe writes: "Several people have told me that some of the black male entertainers have a list of white girls they will bang by the end of year. Supposedly I am on that list. I have not done interracial."
Tuesday afternoon on his site, Mr. Marcus wrote: "Back from
the south of France
Jenna has severed ties with Wicked Pictures though she still likes owner Steve Orenstein and publicist Joy King. Jenna feels that Orenstein can no longer give her the personal attention that she received years ago when she was the company's only contract girl. Now Wicked has eight contract girls. Vivid has about ten.
Luke: All right thinking people regard rape as evil. I regard rape as evil. But I have a question for discussion on rape in general, not this Jenna rumor in particular. All good people feel horrible for rape victims and wish them a speedy and complete recovery.
But in general, do we affect how others relate to us? Do women affect others? Is there ever anything a woman does or a way that she dresses or behaves that increase or decrease the likelihood of being raped? Does l-keford.com increase the likelihood of porn stars getting raped because he publishes some real names?
This is not blaming the victim. I place all moral blame on the perpetrator of rape and I hope that rapists goes to prison for a long time. But do women have any responsibility (not moral culpability) in these matters? For instance, by becoming known as a porn star, does a woman increase her likelihood of suffering such evil?
Did anyone read that new book "A Natural History of Rape"?
Kevin from stunningcurves.com writes: But aren't you blaming the victim Luke? Or that just a way to get people worked up because you KNOW people will get worked up over saying something like that. I bet money last night in PST you would say something like this to. You would try and blame her profession.
But what really bothers me is closed minded people will believe that. In almost all reports of violations or rapes in the media, names are always withheld to protect the victim. So you must actually believe that above statement since you printed her name. You could have left her name out of it.
But in the end the whole subjected shouldn't be even discussed on your site. What the hell are you thinking??? Is your desire for the "scoop" outweigh any sort of sympathy? Where are your high and mighty morals right now?? Do something good Luke, pull the story. How would you feel if the stalker got her real name from your "Real Names" piece that is listed in your subjects section? That should be pulled too.
You even told me at Vegas you don't run real names anymore. So here is the answer to your question: does a woman increase her likelihood of suffering such evil (from working in porn)? Yes, its called l-keford.com.
Luke: I never said that I don't run real names anymore. I've just become more circumspect in doing so.
My sympathies are completely with rape victims. As are those of any decent person. But I do think that performing in porn or in Hollywood movies or TV or generally becoming a public personality does make rape more likely to occur, though not one whit less evil.
Rumdar writes: Luke..... Stunningly ignorant Kevin from stunningcurves comes off as a sour grapes whiner in his post to you. You are number one at what you do. Why? Because as your readers realize you are the religious and social conscience of porn. Incidentally, Texas has a great anti rape measure on the books. It was signed into law by next President Junior George Bush. It is the concealed weapons law. A woman threatened by rape in The Lone Star State has the option of pulling her 9 mm out and shooting the rapist's "wing ding" off. Cell phones are great and 911 is an option but a slow one. Bullets arrive faster.
Kevin replies: Number One at what? Gossip? But by being number #1 at gossip how can Luke be religious and/or socially conscience since gossip is so morally wrong? If you (Luke) were truly religious or socially conscience the real names and stories would have been pulled. Matter of fact many people including Rumdar don't know is you walked into PST last night, not saying "Hi everyone" or "I have heard some very terrible rumors..." instead you just go "Jenna has been raped", like it was a fact. I see nothing socially conscience about that. You never answered my question Luke. What would you do if a stalker used someones real names from your site to do something terrible?
Luke: Kevin, you raise good challenges. Gossip, like porn, is seemingly incompatible with religion. All religions of which I am aware condemn porn and gossip. When I first received reports on the Jenna rape story, I believed them and I brought them up on my site and in PST. There was a report in Mr. Marcus's name confirming the story on his own site Mr.Marcus.com. I got an email today, seeming to come from Mr. Marcus using MrMarcus.com as part of his email address. Then I checked with other sources who said Jenna is fine and the whole thing is a hoax. I've reported what I've known as I've learned it.
If a stalker used information from my site to do something terrible, I would primarily hold the stalker morally responsible for what he did. If a person used a gun or some internet info or a car or a book to do evil, I would primarily blame the person who did the evil deed, not the inanimate object or accessory.
Emily writes Luke: Unless a woman walks down the street naked with "please rape me" written on her body, no. In orthodox judiasm, women are required to wear long sleeves, skirts, and after marriage, wigs. This is so the men will not be tempted to see them as sexual objects and is also complete bulls---. What the men need to do is learn a little self control! Yes, a woman needs to protect herself- be aware of her surroundings, not walk alone in bad neighborhoods at night, learn self-defense if she can, etc. But career choice does not mean she deserves to be assaulted in any way. I currently strip and customers often attempt to stalk dancers after work (consequently, the bouncers walk us everywhere). They feel that our job choice signifies that we have our legs open 24/7 (for THEM, of course) and would like it any time and any place, even by force. Men like this are the problem and need to be educated - especially at the early pre-pubescent stages when sex ed classes begin at school!
Lynne writes: We just discussed rape in sociology class, right before we moved on the the "crime" of pornography. Saw movies. Cringed. Any woman, any age, size or shape can be raped.
A woman can increase the likelihood of being raped by: Drinking or taking drugs to excess. Becoming a prostitute. Going on dates (many rapes are really date-rape). Being alone with a man you know (many rapes are acquaintance rape). Rape is not usually committed by a stranger jumping out of bushes. It's someone you know and mistakenly trust. Rape can take place in marriage.
Decrease the likelihood of being raped by: Not drinking or using drugs when around men. Never be alone with a man. Having a girlfriend or a dog around. Have all dates in public places. Come to and leave social events separately if you're meeting a man you don't know well. Do not become a prostitute and work the streets and get into cars alone with strangers.
I think that becoming known as a celebrity, porn star or otherwise, creates its own set of problems. I have a book called "Obsession" on the stalking of Theresa Saldana, and some other books on stalking. But no, being a porn star doesn't contribute nearly as much to being a rape target as accepting a ride home from some guy one just met in the library.
Patrick Collins told Roger Pipe a few days ago: "There are more spineless, punk mother-f---ers on the internet than I have ever seen in my life...They never had a f---ing voice and now they are so f---ing angry... Tell them I think that most of them are a bunch of f---ing punks.
"My internet content director's wife is setting up links for our site. I see this letter she wrote to Luke F-rd. She said somewhere in the letter 'you and Elegant Angel are some of the biggest names' or something like that. I told her, I don't want nothing to do with this guy. Don't put a f---ing link. Don't tell him s---. He's another example of the culture of the internet world that I find so revolting. This is a guy who said about a girl who worked for me, because some f---ing punk dance agent [Charley Frey] in Florida said it to him, which had no validity at all, that she had AIDS. He used her real name. I wrote him privately, why would you do something like this? Even if you know it was true? Why? He never wrote back. Luke says, it's all bulls---, but he'll print it anyway."
Macy Bloomingdale writes on MrMarcus.com: Luke F-rd, get a real job. Who the hell does he think he is?!!!!! This is the 2nd time this idiot came here and put s--- to his site as if it were gospel! If this is how you get your news, you are not much of a source! I CAN'T STAND DUMBASS MOTHERf---ERS LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There Is No Rape In Islam
In the Name of Allah the Merciful! Asalom Alekim!
The surest way for any woman to prevent rape is to dress modestly. In Mecca, women wear the chador or, if more conservative, the burka. The men do not bother them. If your western pornographic harlots took to wearing the burka, they would not be bothered, and would be happier with themselves.
Ishmael of Mecca, Medina, and Al-Quds
Luke's Problems
Help me! The people who I want most to accept me (religious Jews), don't because of this website. The people who most like my website frequently turn out to be morons. I want to be respected and be acceptable to Torah Jews and I don't want to attract morons who most want to know the real names and addresses of porn stars. I want respect for being hard working, but really, deep inside, i am very lazy and i don't like to fact check, rather, it is easier to just go with any stuff i hear. If you could only step into my hovel you'd see what a slovenly pig I am. I don't cook. I just eat protein bars and icecream and my tummy sags over my belt and I'm getting a double chin. And it looks like it will be years before the Dallas Cowboys win another Super Bowl.
And AsiaCarrera.com gets more hits than l-keford.com.
And I have athlete's foot. My right little toe is blistered and scaling and full of puss and calloused. I'm jogging and walking a few miles every day.
Sam Monteleone of http://www.adults-online.com writes: My company was one of the defendants that got Stayed in Oregon. This sex.com is a joke and he cost me thousands in fees already. Those idiots claimed they were not suing me for my domain vrsexlive.com. Then they offered to drop everything if I paid them $100 a month so I can use vrsexlive.com. Its insane.
Francesca Le
El Cid writes: I was wondering if you could put up a star profile of Francesca Le, for my money the hottest Latina ever to star in adult. Here's what I know: Born 1970, went by Erika Estrada, as well as Francesca Lee (Paul Norman hated the Le') Danced at the Dollhouse, where she discovered she liked women better than men. Given that she did a lot of parties for LAPD, this is understandable. Started in porn 1992, specializing in lesbian sex, facials and anals. Very nasty little girl. Tattoo on shoulder (rose) back of neck (rarely seen due to hair) and ankle (another flower?) Had a fiancee who couldn't deal with the porn, so they broke up. Quit the business once for a relationship with a camerawoman, returned in 1993, contracted with Anabolic and did mostly extreme sex - anals and gangbangs (Her Gangbang Girl 13 is really the precursor to the Rough Sex series, as the plot is basically what appears to be a gang rape in an empty building and is pretty violent.) In 1994 gave an interview to Lou ? (former Heavy Metal guru with Circus Magazine) in Fox Magazine claiming two contradictory things - first, that she was mostly into women and a lesbian, next that she was quitting the business to reunite with her male fiancee, who was now cool with her porn past. Said she's not very big into adult social scene (award shows, etc.) loves Dodger games, working out, intended to keep dancing. Anabolic told a buddy of mine they haven't heard from her in years, and the last they heard, she'd quit porn, gotten married, but was believed to still be dancing. Anybody out there seen her or know what's up with her? She and Melanie Moore seem to be two of the influential stars of the early 90s who gave lots of starlets advice, so how about a profile?
Exhibitionism - Ultimate Extreme Sport?
On his nationally syndicated radio show today, Dennis Prager condemned the new round of reality TV programming as described in the Sunday New York Times magazine.
Privacy is essential for human dignity, and these shows, by locking people up in houses full of cameras.
Caller: We've recreated the Roman empire here. We're in big trouble. Rome was the mob. A mob is very fickle and they determine what shows on TV. In the last 20 years we've raised a mob that has no clue.
P: I blame the media for putting this stuff on.
From the NY Times: "The Electronic Fishbowl" By MARSHALL SELLA.
"Could you handle the pressure of having your most private moments broadcast to millions? When a confessional culture meets up with the Internet (and spectacle-hungry network executives), exhibitionism becomes the ultimate extreme sport.
"Until recently, so-called reality entertainment was made up of flashy highlights edited from unstaged events. Mainstays of the genre included police chases, toddlers rescued from floodwaters and animals gone berserk. But mere excerpts didn't go far enough. The new obsession in TV (and on the Internet) is with capturing the rhythms of ordinary life -- or, at least, the kinds of intimate human interactions that have previously eluded the camera's gaze. A pioneer of this genre is MTV's "Real World," now entering its ninth season, which places a group of roommates under videotaped surveillance for four months. (The show was conceived as a jump-cut variation on "An American Family," the 1973 PBS documentary series that recorded 12 weeks in the life of the Loud family.) As oppressive as the "Real World" concept sounds, the show provides its subjects any number of exits and hiding places: the two camera crews that work the house bend heliotropically toward the topic of the moment and vacate the premises entirely for four hours a day. All in all, MTV seems to envision daily life as an endless game of pool in which people antagonize each other, then storm off to points unknown. But the latest breed of reality entertainment allows virtually no escape."
See Luke's coverage of the "Marry A Millionaire" Fox TV show.
Prager: I predict that we will see suicide on TV in ten years. A cable company will tell people: 'We will pay you to let us videotape it. This way you will leave your family some money...'
P: This emanates from a profound boredom which comes from the decline of organized religion. This is not the ultimate degradation - that would be real gladiators.
People who have intimate relationships in their lives are less likely to watch this stuff. Watching people on TV is a substitute relationship. If you don't have vibrant relationships with real people, then you will seek virtual relationships.
I have an extremely happy home and I would never allow cameras to be there all the time. One's family is not something that one plays out for humanity.
This is the Jerry Springer Show taken one step further. On JS, real people yell at each other and humiliate each other. This is not enough. We need to ratchet this up further.
These shows add excitement to dull lives. Life is not inherently exciting unless you bring a value system to it that makes it exciting.
Do you consider licking envelopes exciting? No. But if you were just starting your own business and each of those envelopes were billing people for purchasing your product, then it would be exciting (which was Prager's experience starting his "Ultimate Issues" newsletter in 1985.
Porn Stars As Fantasy Objects
Pat Riley writes on RAME: Tell me lattara, do you ever fantasize about cars, or did you when you were younger? Did you fantasize about driving a Kia, or whatever bottom level car you have in the UK, or about a Ferrari? Or a Maserati? Or maybe a Rolls Royce? If you ever went to an auto show (I presume they have them in the UK) were you over in the section with domestic low-cost junk or were you in the exotic sports car area?
Unless you're a closet multi-millionaire who wastes his time posting to a porno NG, your chances of actually buying those cars and driving them approaches zero but it's nice to dream that at your next office party you can offer that cute girl in accounting a lift home in your Corniche convertible, eh? In real life you buy the best you can afford taking to account mpg, service costs, insurance, parking--i.e., the best value for money--which if you're like most people gives you a boring box on wheels but hey, it's better than walking or taking the bus.
That's like porn versus real life. In porn you fantasize about the ideal. No bulls--- that they have to have their tits done--your ideal already has exactly the right sized tits with exactly the right level of firmness, shape, etc. She already has the right sized waist (the closer to 18" the better), washboard-flat belly, no scars, no nasty disfiguring tattoos, piercings, acne, moles, warts, bad teeth, roamin' nose...you get the idea. She's perfect. But you're never going to f--- her. She wouldn't give you the time of day. You just don't have the social status, seduction ability, or looks. (I know this because you're watching porn and posting on a porno NG, things that I doubt Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, or their equivalents are doing.)
Do you want variety as you allege? Sure you want variety (I do too): the Rolls for the formal dinner at the Dorchester, the all-aluminum Range Rover for the shooting excursion in Scotland, the Ferrari for the quick trip to the Salzburg Festival... Variety is good. But you don't want the beaten up old Honda with the 100,000 miles on it, and the steering that pulls to the right, and the back tire that loses air, and the muffler (er...silencer) that makes you sound like a truck. That would be the equivalent of the old woman with the droopy boobs, C-section scar, buck teeth, flabby belly, etc. That's not the sort of variety you want to dream about but it might be what you have to put up with in real life.
There's no serious disagreement about what constitutes a fantasy car. The price is well in excess of what you can afford, there's arbitration by such sources as Car And Driver, and only the beautiful people drive them. (Al Goldstein's Rolls Royce was an aberration.) So why is there a dispute as to what constitutes the fantasy female?
A Public Service Message
Helpful writes: This is a public service message to all the porn starlets who are unsure if it is time to retire. If you answer yes to even one of the following questions it is time to remove those freak show breast implants, return your hair color to a shade found in nature, start pricing dermabrasion for your multiple biker tattoos, apologize to your parents, and slip back into your home town's junior college to start working on that acrylic nail license. Do any of these questions apply to you?
Does Charlie Sheen refuse to receive your calls anymore, but his personal assistant hints that Martin Sheen maybe interested?
Do fans mistakenly greet you at the Consumer Electronics Show booth as "Aunt Peg"?
Are you often referred to by peers as a "Legend" or "Grand Dame"? BTW "Grand Dame" is French for "Aged Harpy."
Do you feel the need for an enema prior to your sex scene even though the scene has no anal sex?
Does Dave Cummings call you "Ma'am"?
Do you notice that the cute little rose tattoo that you got on your breast in the 80's now has a stem the length of a sunflower's and is still growing longer?
Is your "colon rose" (i.e., prolapsed colon) resembling an anteater's snout?
Do you turn down the dancing engagements where there is no wheelchair access to the stage?
Do porn industry publications now snidely referred to your piss fetish as "incontinence"?
Do your box covers feature either the words "mature," "older," or the phrase "graying twat"?
Are you signed to play the mother in the latest installment of the "Taboo" series (no shame there), but find that your son and daughter are to be played by Randy West and Diana Roth? Ouch!
Is your name Nina Hartley?
Luke: Helpful, are you afraid of the sexuality of mature women? I've noticed a disturbing trend of agism in your writings.
Daughters of the Revolution
Clinical psychologist Patricia Dalton writes in the Washington Post Sunday: Many of the women who come to me for therapy have an almost breathtaking lack of awareness of the price they stand to pay for casual sex. And the price they pay can be high indeed. It's as if they need a detailed informed consent form about the risks attached to sexual decision making, just like the ones medical patients sign before agreeing to treatment.
Therapists can help a woman examine her upbringing, her relationships with her parents, siblings and peers, and her sense of self. We can help her make decisions about how to handle her problems. But we can't magically restore the hope, optimism and innocence that these world-weary women have lost.
It is not by chance that both the sexual revolution and the feminist movement were launched in the '60s, with the development of an effective birth control pill. Women no longer felt they needed to act as sexual gatekeepers. Pregnancy could be prevented, and antibiotics could cure most of the sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) known at the time, which were predominantly bacterial, not viral. Sex was suddenly thought to be free of adverse consequences. "Whatever turns you on" was the vernacular of the day. Women went on to challenge and change many constraints that the fact of being female had imposed on their work and personal lives.
Prager: Women are society's sexual gatekeepers. If women say the gates will only open within commitment, that's what will rule in society.
Numerous female callers made eloquent expressions of female sexuality. When women make love, they open their souls. They give part of themselves away with everyone they are sexual with.
Does it hurt women to repeatdly engage in casual sex? Prager and the most eloquent callers argued yes.
Caller: My grandma told me. We are the treasure and men are thiefs.
This may not be pleasant to hear but it is true. It leads to a loss of innocence, hope and optimism.
Gangbang 2000
Hillary writes: I've gotten half a dozen calls this morning alone regarding what people are saying about gangbang2000 Knowing some of the people at XXXeZone, the guys who host it, I guess that is why people have been calling me all morning. Anyway, even with knowing the people over there, I can;t seem to get a straight answer, and now I am more curious than ever. I've been told that XXXeZone has dropped Fleshtone, Danny Carelli, Tom Horst, and the whole gang like a sack of bad patato's. I've been told it has to do something with a disagreement on if Sabrina really did what they claim she did. From what everyone is telling me XXXeZone thinks they had a gangbang, but only about a couple of hundred guys did her. Could this be true? Could this be why the video is still not on the market?
Luke: Fleshtone and Carelli claimed that Sabrina Johnson was going to gangbang about 2000 men. In reality, she did about 50 guys, some of them repeatedly.
Niki writes on MrMarcus.com: After getting numerous e-amil, calls and what not this morning, I see in Luke F-rd that the GangBang2000 was ousted by thier web firm XXXeZone.com for basically creating asham Not only does it appear that it is a sham, but I heard now that many of the people who became members, and paid good money to see the site, are being rounded up to file a class action law suite against Fleshtone, and Horst Intertainment - the 2 firms that created the Gangbang debacle.
Elise writes: Hey Luke, After seeing your write up on the Gangbang2000 I decided to make some calls. I finally got to hear it from the company that ousted the GangBang2000 people. XXXeZone.com confirmed that Danny Carelli, Tom Horst, and the whole gang that put together the GangBang2000.comm thing has been thrown out like an old newspaper. About time ! I always suspected that it was fake, but seeing a company like XXXeZone stand up and call a spade a spade, even when it means a loss of revenue, gives a pretty good idea as to how bogus the whole thing was.
From what I can see the class action lawsuit being filed may just send a message to all these other groups that want to screw people out of thier money, that not everyone takes it laying down. Now that the facts are coming out that it was filmed during a 2 day shoot, that there was only 50-70 guys each day, that they rolled the numbers, among other things, I think this will spell the end of Danny's involvement in the Industry.
Horst Entertainment, the financial backing group for the project is also coming under fire as it appears that they were reporting to thier investors bogus financial information. It appears that the financial side of the house is colapsing as well. Rumor has it that the backers were some of the people that are part of the Belagio Hotel group.
Danny Carelli replies: Luke: I Danny Carrelli ceo of Fleshtone Productions laughed histerically when i saw this totally ridiculous article. To answer the following .I moved gangbang2000.com as well as fleshtone2000.com from xxxezone do to the inability to meet several of the marketing and advertising conditions.Let get the record straight nobody ever said 2000 different guys ,it took two 18hr days around 200 guys each day .The gangbang record is not 2000 different guys it's 2000 penetrations thats how Jasmines,Houstons,CandyApples records were counted.We welcome any questions or comments pertaining to gangbang2000.com or fleshtone via e-mail at fleshtonegb2000@hotmail.com.Also what really funny is our gangbang was counted by numerous people including FOX news. We are also adding unseen footage of Marylin Stars wedding with Tori and Natasha Love,along with the life story of Marylin Starvideo coming soon. .The gangbang2000 video will be distributed in june because with 4 beta cams going at thesame time it been a nitemare for my editor.As for Fleshtone or myself staying in the business we'll be in the video and internet side for years to come. Thank you Danny Carrelli
Kati June and Casa Bianca
Oh writes on RAME: I just watched "Casa Bianca" by Legend with Inari Vachs and would like to learn the name of one of the actresses. Unfortunately the movie didn't have any credits at all, so I don't even have a clue of who it might have been. Anyway, the girl I'm looking for was playing a character named "Lucy", she has dark brown hair, small real looking tits and a tattoo on her right calf.
Pat Riley: That's Katie June, sometime squeeze of Randy West and
alleged drug addict. She also has a tattoo on her belly slightly to
the right of midline. The tattoo on her calf is some Chinese characters.
Look up the iafd for other movies but be warned that both voyager
and I have used her (in our dreams
Luke Shares His Feelings With PornStarTrading.com
Session Start: Tue May 23 20:03:12 2000
*** Now talking in #!!!!!!pornstar-trading
<Joner> err..rather.stacy valentines nipples are on FX right now..shes being interviewed on the X show
<Whittle> They are really plugging that documentary.
<Joner> stacy is wearing a light blue sweater top with black pants.everything is tight
<Joner> a porn documentry was made for sweeps promotions..they can talk about porn.and SHOW porb clips abd its ok..
<Joner> stacy's nipples on FX.how funny does that look.....and no one is aaying anything hahaha
<Joner> how dramatic was her change in looks?
<RogTPipe> like a chick with fake lips, bad skin AND fake tits
<RogTPipe> She looks like Houston's grand daughter
<l-keford1> you don't have a diary section zoe?
<zoe> what are you looking for luke
<l-keford1> a diary secion where you write about your ongoing life
<zoe> i am saving that for a book luke
<zoe> why are you looking for that
<zoe> not much just dancing
<l-keford1> i just happened to read asia today, and you are intelligent like her, hence interesting
<zoe> wow a compliment
<TeddyBearOgre> she's an intellectual pornstar.....don't see many of those...
<zoe> i saved a dog from the pound
<zoe> they found the dog on the freeway he had been hit by a car
<l-keford1> zoe, reading your forum on escorting
<zoe> its amazing how expensive vets are
<zoe> his xrays were 400
<zoe> the surgery is 2000
<TeddyBearOgre> I'm thinking about taking my dog to a regular doc next time to save money.
<l-keford1> zoe, do you do interacial?
<zoe> nope i havent
<l-keford1> might you?
<TeddyBearOgre> Luke...thats what I like about you....heheheh....you have a way with opening lines...
<zoe> i dont know
<Joner> luke.might YOU???
<l-keford1> i have several times
<l-keford1> i just asked jenna j that today
<Joner> .im sure you have sweetie....
<zoe> i heard there is a bet in the industry
<zoe> what did she say
<Joner> BET?..black entertainment channel?
<RogTPipe> Why should anyone do what they don't want to do? It's such a tired arguement
<zoe> do you know anything about the bet luke
<zoe> several people ahve told me that some of the black male entertainers have a list of white girls they will bang by end of year
<jackgotti> i got a list of the some of the black female entertainers i would like to bang by the end of the year
<zoe> but I was told I was on this list
<RogTPipe> Tyra Banks has been on my list for the longest time, the bitch just won't f--- me. I think it's a race thing
<zoe> luke how tall are you
<l-keford1> 6'
<Joner> Luke.have you been target shooting lately like a good jew?
<zoe> wow i always thought you were shorter than that
<Joner> luke.gotta keep the skills sharp...might get the IDF call up at any moment. ;-)
<l-keford1> JJ: Let's end the rumours once and for all: I wasn't raped. It was a lie spun by this black motherf---er who dares to call himself a human being. Shame on you, Mr. Marcus! Wait for my lawyer's call, you dick!
<Joner> Luke...do you target shoot?...how's you aim?.....shoot from teh hip?..or just the lip?
<zoe> well if luke didnt type so much i think he would be very doable
<l-keford1> yes i target shoot neither from hip.lip
<Joner> IDF.......israeli defense force..the jew army
<Joner> I see luke crouched downm in a combat stance..his assloking sweet and round....
<zoe> hey luke you have a nude pic for me
<DelaneyDaniels> Lukes really cute...then he blows it by doing shmucky things
<Joner> Luke..havem you ever hit a combat range?....lots of fun...
<zoe> i agree DD
<l-keford1> zoe, i am blushing
<Joner> Luke.is your wep just for personal protection..or do you enjoy teh shooting sports?...
<l-keford1> no, i have no nude luke pics
* zoe embraces13 l-keford1 6with tenderness and care, then plants a great big, warm, juicy kiss right where it'd do the most good!!
<l-keford1> protection at mom, i may get more into the shootin spots
<l-keford1> Zoe, have you ever considered becoming JEWISH?
<zoe> i have part jewish in my family actually
<l-keford1> damn1
<zoe> my grandmother just sent me a geneology tree from our family
<Joner> ".one of us..one of us......" come on Zoe.join the ranks....wont hurt a bit......who will draw the boold at the ceremony?
<zoe> I have relatives in haifa
<l-keford1> zoe, have u ever done interracial in ur peronal life, r u opposed to it on principle?
<Joner> haifa is a beautiful city..but too many jews. ;-) like NYC. ;-)
<Jim_Gunn> Geez, if there ever was a loaded question...
<zoe> i have never done it in personal per say
<RogTPipe> Luke, are you really going to go down this overdone, blind alley?
<zoe> i have done native americans, italians
<l-keford1> zoe, how much time do you put into your site each week?
<zoe> not as much as I should
<zoe> when i am in town i answer the forums and emails several times a day
<zoe> i held up putting the pay section up cuz it is owned by me not a company
<zoe> and i am scared of the charge back thing
<DelaneyDaniels> I would do a scene with Rocco for sure Zoe
<zoe> i heard the name but i cant picture his face off hand
<Joner> rocco has a nice page set up with lots of his modeling pics....
<Joner> hes showing age now though......haggard a bit.
<zoe> i just signed with sin city in november
<Joner> DD and Rocco.......come and get it brother....no ofense DD..but i'd like to see taht pairing
<l-keford1> dd do you or hve you ever done interracial?
<DelaneyDaniels> l-keford1, no I haven't...but not because I vchoose not to, just because i never have...
<Joner> one day luke will wake up with tabitha stevens head in his bed. <kidding kidding>
<SiliconVyDude> is there even enough money in porn for the mob to care anymore?
<l-keford1> and how is your other business, you were studyin to get certified zoe?
<zoe> no when I lived out east i owned have of a construction compwny and I was certified to sell perma-crete
<zoe> luke what size is your penis
<l-keford1> 5.5 inches
<l-keford1> i just found out that my therapist has gotten engaged
<zoe> how does that make you feel luke
<Joner> Luke..does the .5 really matter to you?.......
<l-keford1> i am veryhappy for my therapist
<Jim_Gunn> Luke don't you soemtimes consider the fact that telling some problems to some stranger who doesn't really care about you is a waste of time and money rather than seeking out family or close friends to confide in?
<Joner> luke...secretly hoping taht you'd be "the one"?
<zoe> luke why do you see a therapist
<l-keford1> zoe, because i have a narcissistic personality disorder and
<Trey> zoe, if you were luke, wouldnt you see a therapist?
<l-keford1> am socially retarded, with few friends
<zoe> i think alot of people are luke
<l-keford1> but i am getting better
<zoe> thats good
<Joner> ..standing up...."hello group.my name is Luke and I am a...."
<zoe> why dont you have a woman
<l-keford1> Jim, my therapist is also a friend of mine, i was just at her house for a shabbat dinner
<l-keford1> its fascinating jim, i say things to her and she sees right through me and gets to the heart of the matter, very helpful and nurturing
<l-keford1> like having a loving balanced mother
<zoe> why dont you have a woman luke
<Joner> luke.shes a good BS'er.....bet he listens to alot of prager
<Joner> whoa.....lukes mom........issues issues. ;-)
<l-keford1> zoe, because the women who want me are not the ones i want to marry, and the ones i want to marry, don't want me
<l-keford1> partly because of my job
<Joner> luke......get another line of work?.
<zoe> so do you date
<Joner> Zoe.are you asking Luke out? ;-)
<zoe> i'm not his type
<SiliconVyDude> narcissistic personality disorder? What in the hell is that? I thought I'd heard them all to
<l-keford1> zoe, yes i date but am not in a commited monogamous relationship at moment
<SiliconVyDude> translation= he f---s around
<DotCom> zoe asking the tough questions. our very own diane sawyer
<Jim_Gunn> l-keford1, very few people of out generation or younger ever will find a commited monogamous reationship.
<zoe> how often do you have sex luke
<Jim_Gunn> That lasts for more than a year ir two.
<Jim_Gunn> Director, the life span of marraiges is short nowadays
<l-keford1> I will, i am ready to settle down and have kids
<l-keford1> I really feel like i have worked through some issues tonight and confronted things about myself and really made some progress and i want to thank you all for being here
<l-keford1> how many dates should i go on before i tell my woman what i do for a living?
<zoe> before the first one luke
<Joner> luke..right up front
<DelaneyDaniels> l-keford1, drop the daily jew section... :-)
<DelaneyDaniels> immediately Luke
<zoe> your job isnt that bad where a woman should not date you for what you do
<SiliconVyDude> Damn Luke, your bring a tear to my eye...
<l-keford1> my therapist says i should wait a few dates, and not overwhelm them, let them get to know the real me before they have to confront my site. It'll scare em away.
<zoe> and if she judges you for that then she isnt the one
<Joner> Zoe.not the women he wants/likes.they might care.
<DelaneyDaniels> l-keford1, not true
<DelaneyDaniels> telling them immediately shows you are honest anfd respect her...
<Jim_Gunn> Just my observation- I personaly know half a dozen nice men close to my age who, with all good intentions got married and divorced within one year, some of them much less than that including my brother, my cousin, two old friends of mine and a coupla casual acquaintences.
<zoe> its not like he is doing porn
<Joner> luke.......honesty upfront bro.
<l-keford1> Zoe, could I use you as a charater reference?
<Joner> dont lead the woman on like that.......who knows...everyones diff
<MikeSouth> I say tell her up front Luke
<zoe> sure
<zoe> how old are you luke
<l-keford1> almost 34
<l-keford1> and I am debt free!
<Joner> luke is 15 going on 86....
<zoe> your still young
<MikeSouth> But Luke you dont own nothing
<Jim_Gunn> You just deckare bankruptcy Luke?
<l-keford1> l-keford.com
<MikeSouth> not even a car
<SiliconVyDude> there ya go Mike, bring in that nasty subject of money...
<zoe> how are your finacial situations taken care of luke
<Joner> Luke....do you.would you date/pursue a non jew?
<Jim_Gunn> No shiksas for Luke.
<Joner> Luke..so many jews..so little time.
<Joner> Luke..come to NYC....so many jews you'll flip you yarmulke.
<zoe> i should ahve my own talk show lol
<l-keford1> well, i make a fine living, XXXk, that should only get better, but i don't own anything beyond computers, a car
<Joner> Luke.heres a thing.dating non jews.makes you really attractive to jewish babes....who knows..might work for you. ;-)
<zoe> what kind
<Joner> Luke..flash the bankroll......jewish sweeties will come running....line up at your door.
<Jim_Gunn> What are you sgggesting the so-called "Jewish bankroll" Joner? singles in the middle and a couple hundreds on top?
<zoe> as long as it gets you from point a to point b
<Joner> Luke..do you take an psycho drugs?...
<zoe> luke, does your family support you in your mental state of need
<Joner> welcome to therapy with Zoe.......i want on that couch..i have some bed wetting issues to work out ;-)
<l-keford1> zoe, my family paid for me to visit australia in march to meet with a psychiatrist and a neurosurgeon
<SiliconVyDude> a neurosurgeon???
<SiliconVyDude> for what?
<Joner> SVD.luke banged his head hard.
<Jim_Gunn> So how'd the lobotomy go Luke?
<Joner> Lukes braindamaged...well."Duuuuh>"
<l-keford1> I'mmuch better though since the front lobotomy
<l-keford1> calmer, less frantic
<Joner> Zoe adjusts her therapists glasses and jots down some notes.....
<zoe> i love this kind of stuff
<Directeur> zoe, what are you doing with your therapist's glasses?
<Joner> Luke has an implant........;-) luke..ever had the "abduction" dream?
<zoe> wearing them
<zoe> i do wear glasses to read and drive
<l-keford1> i have a hard time fittingin with people, being normal, acting decently, i always want to do bizarre things
<Joner> aliens abduct luke....say "what the heck?"..and drop him back asap...luke posts teh aleins real names and addresses the next day on his site.batsard
<zoe> for example what type of bizarre things
<l-keford1> anything to get attention
<l-keford1> make loud rude noises, say inappropriate things that i think are really funny but...
<Jim_Gunn> l-keford1, no offense, but I am curious- does it seem just that an atheistic porner like me has a great relationship with his close-knit family while you are practically estranged from yours?
<l-keford1> make sexual innuendos with women who don't appreciate them
<Joner> loud rude noises?..luke make a standup act out of taht..sounds kinda funny
<l-keford1> JG, doesn't surprise me, relig and atheist are just as likely tobe screwy
<SiliconVyDude> Luke will claim it's denial, right Luke?
<l-keford1> I tend to do whatever will get me the most attention.
<Mastrick> I've noticed
<zoe> that behavior is normal luke
<SiliconVyDude> sounds like a meni complex to me
<zoe> go into any bar and you see tons of people doing that
<Joner> luke yells fire in crowded theaters
<l-keford1> The reason i write on porn is that i figure it will get me more attention than any other subject
<zoe> everyone wants attention , they just lack the love that they want and try to get it anyway they can
<Joner> Luke..come to NYC.get a soapbox to stand on.and a loudspeaker......make it an act..put outb a collection plate.make more dough then the site
<zoe> even if negative
<Directeur> l-keford1, you're right -- but do you really want bad attention?
<zoe> they think negative attention is better than none
<Joner> luke.national security issues will get you more attention..trust me.
<l-keford1> yes zoe, i fear that i prefer negative attention to no attention
* SiliconVyDude better to be s--- on then not be seen at all...
<l-keford1> so when i go to therapy, i get someone who gives me undivided concentrated attention for 90 mins, very reassuring and nurturing
<Joner> Zoe..uh...about my bed wetting?..... ;-)
<zoe> you want to be noticed , you want to think that you belong and are worth something
<zoe> it is what people strive for everyday
<l-keford1> I just blew off my June 1st date wiht the gyno for my therapist's engagement party, wise decision?
<Joner> luke...you need to listen to howard sterns discussions on therapy and therapists
<l-keford1> I want to be noticed, appreciated, adored, nurtured, paid attention to, and to feel inside like i am important
<l-keford1> to walk into a room and hear people whisper, there's Luke F-rd
<Jim_Gunn> Luke everyone wants that.
<l-keford1> gyno = OBGYN
<SiliconVyDude> sell Amway then
<Joner> luke....your not important.....just a target
<zoe> i didnt know men saw gynos
<l-keford1> a date to a play
<zoe> ahhhhhh
<zoe> that makes better sense
<SiliconVyDude> the ones that are in touch do Zoe...
<zoe> had me worried
<l-keford1> actually, i am feeling sensitive at moment and a little premenstrual
<zoe> i have pms too
<Joner> Luke F-rd..door to door sales?...scary.but he is cute.
<Jim_Gunn> Luke maybe you just need to drop a load?
<Joner> luke...dont be sucha fag..watch some sports. ;-)
<zoe> i hate sports
<l-keford1> every time i meet religious jews and get to know them a little, i think, would they still talk to me if they knew about l-keford.com? many would not.
<l-keford1> i fear that and it hurts and it is inevitable
<Joner> luke.youre right
<zoe> that is there own insecurity not yours
<Jim_Gunn> l-keford1, maybe they are uptight?
<zoe> that is their problem
<Joner> many would feel taht way....some small minority wouldnt
<SiliconVyDude> well, they are Jewish...
<zoe> many people face that kind of discrimination
<zoe> i do
<Joner> jim..uptight jews?......never. ;-)
<zoe> i would like to get into mainstream you think it will happen probably not because people will see what i do now
<SiliconVyDude> hell Zoe I worship you, why you saying that?
<l-keford1> what i most want is to get married and fit in with my jewish religious community, yet my website, hovel of apartment and ramshackle car hurt me
<l-keford1> my therapist points out to me the ways i make it very difficult for myself to get what i want most. sobering
<zoe> all of that can be changed but you have to make a decision of what is more important to you and what will make you happy
<Joner> LUke.......mail order bride dude.it works.
<SiliconVyDude> and this cost you how much?
<Joner> Luke....mail order bride....would thing your place was a mansion.
<l-keford1> $150 a week
<SiliconVyDude> seesh, and I thought the money was in computers
<l-keford1> Zoe, i have made the decision to stick to my site etc until something better comes along
<l-keford1> i will save my money, get a nicer apartment and car, spend time in therapy to get psycho healthier
<Joner> someth8ing better comes along?..luke..make things happen...innitiative buddy
<zoe> then what you have to deal with is that people will look at you in the way the do just because they are fearful
<SiliconVyDude> well my therapist knows your therapist and he tells me you've got to be 5crazy to see that guy....
<l-keford1> Yes, but it is screwy, the people I like and respect the most, religious jews, are the ones most likely to reject me for lf.com
<zoe> but they are the ones with the problem
<l-keford1> and many of the people i meet who are most enthusiastic about my site, are morons who i want nothing to do with
<zoe> why would you want to be part of something that shones you in your time of need
<Joner> Luke seriously........maybe you nedd to address your concerns to your congtregation....
<Jim_Gunn> l-keford1, you ever consider that maybe you should just lighten up and find a soul mate with out any pre-conceived notions about their religious backrounds?
<l-keford1> good question zoe, but i ache to belong there, viscerally, socially, idealogically, religiously i want to belong there
<zoe> maybe you should figure out why you want to belong there so much
<zoe> do you think that will solve your problems
<l-keford1> reminds me of the happiest times of my childhood
<Joner> luke likes being jewish?.....or just wants the guilt at half the price?
<l-keford1> no it wont solve them...because i have ahuge drive to be an outsider, be controversial and critical and an observer more than a belonger
<SiliconVyDude> nope, once a child has been molested by an adult, they never really change
<zoe> but things and people have changed since then
<zoe> you cant get back what you had then even in the same environment
<Joner> luke.im a jew.....i was bars mitsvahed..no real jew would respect you if you didnt endure hebrew scholl as a child.its the hazing process..
<SiliconVyDude> share an apartment even
<l-keford1> yes, i just wish i did a job that people respected, that i could carry my head high in public rather than obfuscate about my work
<l-keford1> people have very derisive and cutting views of my type of work
<Joner> sharing an apartment with luke?..can we say a sitcom situation?
<Joner> luke.become a rabbi.....
<Joner> Rabbi Luke...it has a ring
<SiliconVyDude> I bet that Lori would make you a perfect wife Luke
<Joner> Rabbi menachem Ford.
<MikeSouth> Luke my work is almost never a problem for me
<Joner> luke..maybe dedicate your life and work to something else.....do some volunteer work
<MikeSouth> maybe it is because you are ashamed of your work when you should be proud of it
<zoe> they would anyway even if you replaced what you wrote about with another contreversial issue
<Joner> LUke.the military is hiring........Lt. Luke reporting sir.
<Joner> luke.becaome a militray chaplain....goodlord.
<Joner> Luke.there..JOIN THE IDF!......bomb disposal.
<SiliconVyDude> actually, if you really want respect, try writing the truth about the business. Don't forget to back it up with something other than rumor either
<l-keford1> hey, that is a good idea
<MadisonFan> uhhh did i hear mike say that luke should be proud of his work? i was away choking
<MikeSouth> No luke dont write the truth
<l-keford1> I want respect for being hard working, but really, deep inside, i am very lazy and i don't like to fact check, rather, it is easier to just go with any stuff i hear
<MikeSouth> this business doesnt want the truth to be known
<Jim_Gunn> Yes Miek i do.
<Joner> luke..the IDF will kick your ass into shape..they dont play.they will make you a new luke.
<TeddyBearOgre`> Luke....all that means is that all you write....ITS FICTION!!! there's nothing wrong with fiction if you tell everyone its fiction....have you ever heard of someone named XXX?
<Joner> luke.the IDf needs porn reporters for the front lines.can you carry an M4?
<TeddyBearOgre`> can he carry a working tape recorder?
<Mastrick> Luke impresses me as being a Bangalor Torpedo kinda guy
<l-keford1> uh oh, here comes the boss fella, say nice things about me guys
<Panderer> Hey kids
<Panderer> Hey Lukey
<l-keford1> hey zoe, when you meet strangers and they ask about your occupation, what do you say?
<l-keford1> is it easy being a porn star and meeting strangers?
<zoe> depends on the person and where i am
<zoe> not at all
<Joner> Zoes a woman.its kinda diff....
<l-keford1> it is a huge burden to carry and will never go away
<zoe> especially since i am not your average porn star
<zoe> yes it is
<zoe> i guess i am the prude of porn lmaoooooooooooo
<l-keford1> it will never leave you, till you die, you will be a source of derision and amusement for many
<Joner> damn luke.......is that gun of yours loaded?
<zoe> yes luke i know this but i dont regret what i have done
<l-keford1> never?
<l-keford1> i do, about 25% of the time
<zoe> and i will no longer let people make me feel like less of a person for doing so
<zoe> i am confident with who I am and what I do and I will cahnge when I want to
<Jim_Gunn> l-keford1, there is always the idea that who gives a f--- about what others think you know?
<l-keford1> zoe, ur married, right?
<zoe> nope i am not luke
<l-keford1> Jim, i try to have that attitude, but it is only 60% effective
<l-keford1> were you 2 yrs ago?
<zoe> they pic you had of the guy he was my roadie lol
<TeddyBearOgre`> gee...sounds like luke is updating his files....heheheh
<Jim_Gunn> Zoe's bio is getting a complete revision this morning.
<l-keford1> i'm getting in the shower, will be thinking of you guys
<Joner> luke.sick
<TeddyBearOgre`> uh...it helps to spell it right JT...hehehe
<Panderer> Ok, when, by whom, and who do I blow to insure a quick resolution?
<spacemanj> f--- you luke...now I'm gonna have nightmares
<Joner> luke.puke gaga ugh..why did he have to say that
<zoe> woohoo luke can I peek
<Diablo1504> theres been no vote in awhile, but you have a problem with joining and leaving without saying a word a lot
<TeddyBearOgre`> hey...I have a serious visual problem in my head now.
<Joner> Zoe..luke doesnt work......hes lazy......lukes a fighter.nota lover.
<Mastrick> Lysa Stone is a net addict. Wonder why she doesn't hang here
<Joner> luke gave jenna some badly needed press...........
<MysticalP> why she need press
<MysticalP> she the most searched girl on the net
<zoe> remember luke dont go changing my words and stuff and say bad s--- about me i tried to help ya
<zoe> i have met luke several times and everyone deserves second chances
<l-keford1> i would like to apologize. Last night I passed along a false rumor about jenna jameson.
<zoe> he's not that bad
<Joner> luke..quick shower?.....cant clean off the porn stink fast enough?
<zoe> he just has some moral issues
<TeddyBearOgre`> I agree...I know Luke and he means well..
<Panderer> Oral issues, I imagine too.
<njg> luke it is your job to pass along false rumors
<Joner> Zoe.the boy fell down and banged his knoggin good.
<MadisonFan> ted bundy wasnt so bad, he just had female troubles
<Panderer> Remember: Unsubstantiated rumours are what Gossip is. If the rumours are SUBSTANTIATED, they become FACTS.
<zoe> i am not condoning what he has done
<njg> luke is cool, he's a guy who admits he loves gossip
<Joner> jenna/......cover up?..damage control..
<ZoeFan> nothing wrong with gossip
<Jim_Gunn> Hmm, I like to think that gossip is a little more than wild nonsnse that could just as easily be utterly false as entirely true
<njg> nothing wrong with rumors and gossip
<Joner> "strap on thesaurus"
<spacemanj> Question- Jenna told Luke that there are 156,000 separate sites pirating her name...possible?....true?
<Mastrick> Unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth; hearsay.
<Joner> Zoe really went after luke...f---ed with his head ;-)
<MysticalP> yes spaceman there alot of jennajameson sites with her name
<Joner> Zoe was funny.in own unique way
<JT> Zoe was trying to be helpful... talking things out
<Joner> Zoe talked with luke about his life and probs....chilling stuff.had
<Jim_Gunn> I wonder if Jenna ever trademarked her name?
<Joner> maybe wicked did
<MysticalP> you can use her name in ur websites
<Joner> free speech...
<Panderer> Jim, even if she had, she could only protect it in the arena of Adult Materials
<JT> Jenteal once said she was the only one...
<Panderer> Actually, it's not true, Joner. Words and images are the same thing in the law regarding intellectual property.
<Jim_Gunn> I reember specifically that a sneaker company sued another and won on exactly that isue about the text uses of their name in the meta-tag section of the sites
<JT> Cindy is the most downloaded on the net
<njg> cindy margolis had a major nose job
<Panderer> Playboy has over 9 million copyrighted images, and they aggressively defend them.
<MadisonFan> luke- you can quote only every other word i say, if you want
<Panderer> The reason so many Porno people are Jews is because the Jewish faith is not anti-sex, for the most part.
<Panderer> NJG, when's the last time you felt guilty about having sex?
<Joner> funny thing..i was exposed non stop to porn at hebrew school...mustve been a training school..
<njg> I always feel guilty about it panda
<Panderer> I honestly don't think I have EVER felt it.
<Mastrick> I don't have to tell you anything. But I hope that you understood my message.
<Panderer> NJG, you need to deal with those issues. It's not healthy.
<Joner> nice jewish weak bladder?
<njg> I have a lot of issues panda
<MadisonFan> out of context is lukes specialty, he did it to me yesterday
<Mastrick> If XXX industry people feel uncomfortable coming here because you are here, that in and of itself gets my attention
<Panderer> Religion has no place in the bedroom.
<TeddyBearOgre`> Luke...why can't you consider sources just sources and confirm and fact check before you print. Are you a journalist or not?
<TeddyBearOgre`> thats fine...nothing wrong
with that. And he doesn't take any s--- and shows no relationship
with the industry bigwigs like mainstream. but still credibility is
everything.