Friday, May 19th, 2000
feg> luke, as a seemingly devout believer, what is your reaction to being published by an essentially atheistic organization?
l-keford1> i don't care much about the religiosity of who pays me, i just want their money
feg> i guess it might be hard to find a real observant press who would want writings of that character anyway
Zr reports on Cannes: cannes film festival was tight and sylvia saint must be the hottest porner ever. i saw a lot of them out there...mr. marcus, stacy valentine, sylvia saint and a host of others...it is insane out there...free love and beautiful women. got on a yacht with a few that i didnt recognize...but they were rocking....have you seen 'girl next door' yet....getting a lot of buzz. i have seen many pretty girls, and she (SAINT} had something they didnt...she had a look about her that exceeded 99% of the most beautiful woman i have seen. i know she is hardcore and was curious to find out about her
DaveCummings> No, I didn't go to Bob's Classy Lady--I have two sex scenes to do down here in San Diego in the morning, so I thought it best not to get home too late tonight. I'm a wimp!
JM; I have never seen Bob's so packed. the girls put on a good show. and everyone seemed to have a good time.
Mike South Owns PatrickCollins.com
Annoyed at the lying ways of the Elegant Angel owner, Mike South Friday bought the domain PatrickCollins.com.
Mike: "I was reading the excerpts from Rog on your site. I give Patrick some kudos for being outspoken. But on the other hand, the motherf---er lies about a lot of things. He's a pompous ass and I just happened to be on register.com. I typed in Patrick Collins to see if it was available. It was."
Luke: "What do you think were some of his most flagrant lies?"
Mike: "What he said about why Tommy and them left. How those guys were putting him in the poorhouse and he was having to use his credit cards to pay them. Come on! The guy lived in a multimillionaire dollar house. He had to dip into his credit cards to pay them $10,000 a picture? I don't think so. When he's shipping 4000 out the door on Van and I and 6000 out the door for Tommy."
Luke: "Why do you think that Byron, Black, Van and Tiffany left?"
Mike: "Greg Alves. While Greg was there, Greg made Elegant Angel what it was. He brought in Tommy, Van, me and I think Tiffany. And I knew the day Greg left that the s--- was going to hit the fan because Greg knew how to deal with Patrick and he was a good buffer between us and Patrick. He isolated us from Patrick and Patrick from us.
"Then when Greg left, Patrick got this complex. He started cutting everybody's money and f---ed with everybody's deals that he had in writing and that he reneged on. I was the first to go. I left on Monday. I said 'f--- you Patrick. I'm out of here.' On Tuesday, Van, Tiffany, Rob and Tommy all left. Everybody left within a week of Greg Alves leaving.
"Look at Patrick's history. Look at how many contract people have been in and out of his doors. And it's never Patrick's fault. He never did anything wrong."
Roger Pipe Interviews Patrick Collins
At www.rogreviews.com, Roger will be running an interesting interview he did with Elegant Angel owner Patrick Collins.
Collins details his broken relations with John Stagliano, Rob Black, Tom Byron, Tiffany Mynx, Van Damage, Nicky Starks etc without ever introspecting that some of his own behavior might've contributed to the breakups. Nor does Pat talk much about his long running addictions to drugs and alcohol, and how these addictions have ruined his relationships with numerous people. Instead it's everybody else's fault.
A big reason for Pat's success is, that like John Stagliano, he genuinely loves porn. He's first a fan, rather than a cold-eyed businessman like VCA's Russ Hampshire and Vivid's Steve Hirsch and most of the big pornographers.
Here are some excerpts from Rog's interview:
Pat: "Elegant Angel... became a consumer driven company and has not succeeded because of the distributors. You know, the distributors don't like doing business with me, or with John because they are paying too much for product."
Rog: "1997 was a really big year for Elegant Angel. You swept just about every award possible. What do you think made that year special?"
Pat: "I think part of it had to do with critics wanting Elegant Angel's newer venture to be successful. It ensures the flow of advertising dollars.
"The reason I let him [Rob Black] work for me wasn't because I liked his stuff. It was because I had heard that Russ Hampshire at VCA wasn't going to let him shoot. He was too controversial. I was really, and still am, for free expression."
Why did Black, Tom Byron, Van and Tiffany leave in early 1998?
Pat: "...[T]hey started to believe their own press.... Rob Black movies, it's a very limited market. I can show you the numbers. He was one of the worst selling directors I ever had.... Tommy's work ethic is nothing. He's not used to working and doesn't like to work. The reason that he's good at what he does is because he likes to f---."
Collins takes no responsibility for that breakup nor the one with Stagliano.
Rog: What about the internet, and the people out here in cyberspace?
Pat: "There are more spineless, punk mother-f---ers on the internet than I have ever seen in my life...They never had a f---ing voice and now they are so f---ing angry... Tell them I think that most of them are a bunch of f---ing punks.
"My internet content director's wife is setting up links for our site. I see this letter she wrote to Luke F-rd. She said somewhere in the letter 'you and Elegant Angel are some of the biggest names' or something like that. I told her, I don't want nothing to do with this guy. Don't put a f---ing link. Don't tell him s---. He's another example of the culture of the internet world that I find so revolting. This is a guy who said about a girl who worked for me, because some f---ing punk dance agent [Charley Frey] in Florida said it to him, which had no validity at all, that she had AIDS. He used her real name. I wrote him privately, why would you do something like this? Even if you know it was true? Why? He never wrote back. Luke says, it's all bulls---, but he'll print it anyway."
Luke: "I never received a word from Pat Collins. Never. Like many porners such as Tricia Devereaux, they've all supposedly written me messages that have never arrived. I'm not hard to find on the net. I called Elegant Angel about the story and they gave me nothing.
"Yes, I printed Frey's comments about Kim Alexis aka Phaedra. I am not proud of my handling of that. In fact, I feel terrible about it and some similar things I've done. I often feel great ambivalence about publishing the cruel remarks of others. Sometimes I do it and sometimes I don't. I make judgement calls about whether exposing someone for pushing hate is more important than the pain inflicted on the recipient of hateful words. I've heard that Phaedra cried when she read my stories, both the ones in late 1998 and the one in July of 1999. I'm sad about that. The only time I feel good about hurting someone is when I feel that I am legitimately punishing someone for evil, for inflicting harm on the innocent. Phaedra was innocent in this affair."
Pat: "...f--- Playboy. They want to do business with punks, I don't. Don't tell me I have to deal with some mother f---er I don't trust. Let them put someone else's movies on....
"...The biggest mistake he [Nicky Starks] made, was leaving here. The biggest mistake Rob and Tommy and Van made was leaving here. They, thank God, left. This cost me a fortune. I borrowed money on my credit cards to pay these guys. That's how much I was paying them towards the end. I would have kept my word, no matter what, but they left. I encourage individualism, I applaud creativity, uniqueness and hard work. I am a good example of these things.
"I used to have a lot of respect for Hustler, but once they got in bed with Vivid, all those f---ing movies started getting the Fully Erect.
"I had heard about Aspen [Brock] crying or something and I thought it was pretty f---ed up. So Regan [Starr] and I started talking. She said that they beat the s--- out of her. That she asked them to stop, but they wouldn't stop. I go 'Well f--- them.' I told Chris "Kahn Tusion is a f---ing punk." This ain't about f---ing sex, it's about hurting girls and lying to them."
Rog: When Marc Wallice tested positive for the HIV virus, he was working for Elegant Angel. When did you find out?
Pat: "I was in Budapest. I heard the stories [published first on l-keford.com]. I started putting the pieces of information together and in my heart I believe he knew. I believe that he was helpless to tell the truth because he was so afraid of what he would lose.
"I like Marc. I have absolutely no respect for his actions, but I like him. I understand where a lot of this comes from. When I was a dope addict, I would take you for every mother f---ing thing you have.
"...Tianna just got her last check in February. She has been married for a few years and as far as I know, lives in Australia."
Brandy vs AIM's Dr York
Mike South: Kudos go out to Mitch for her tireless efforts, and for talking to me and being honest. Same for Doc York.
Brandy Alexandre: Mike South supports Dr. York??? He's a fan/stalker. Rumor has it that when word got 'round that Dr. York was going to head up the medical side of the sham known AIM, a few of the girls begged Mitch not to do it. It was bad enough that York was in hot pursuit, but hand him the personal details of all the girls (relatively speaking) in the business was an extremely distasteful prospect. Because he is such a fan he will sign off on anything he's asked to because he wants to be part of the industry and have the enviable access he has come to enjoy. That's why you have bags of antibiotics handed out at gang bangs with not a single medical chart generated on the individuals who get them, and not one exam by the "good doctor." He's a total f---ing joke! No, he is not a good thing for the business. He's is the absolute WORST thing for the business. They need someone who will watch, analyze, question, inspect, and direct, not do whatever he's asked because his dick is hard.
Mike: luke brandy can bash DocYork all she wants I havent heard anything bad about him and he and Mitch have actually gone out of their way to help me and to educate me on what they are doing. now I do not agree with everything they do, or with some of the propoganda the espouse but I do have every indication that they are well run and respectable. which is WAY more than I can say for the Free Speech Cabal.
Well, I am not as submissive as I thought. I was actually the dominate one this time. Sweet Mckayala was my victim along with Randy Spears. I won't give you all the details except that I never knew that anal sex in a bath tub was so much fun.
<AlanEvans - "My loser exhusband"
Jim_Gunn>Now there's a porn cliche if ever I heard one.
4/27/00
I got a little freaky at Disneyland then headed up to the bay area for Easter. My sweetheart got a divorce from his now ex wife. I gave him head in the car all the way home. I am such a bad girl!!! Anyways, I am shooting tomorrow for one of my favorite companys. Professor Mike and the crew at All Good Video will be filming another Submissive Little Sluts. And who is more submissive and slutty than me?
Thursday night I interviewed Samantha of www.i-candicam.com, a 32-year old Ph.D. candidate in religion who operates her own porn site.
Sam received this review from AVN: "Samantha...has a penchant for broadcasting her frequent masturbation at her site!
"Sam also pays her VISA bills by working as a private dancer and escort. With considerable humor, she shares her adventures; for example, while on a date with a professor of anthropology, she blows his, uh, mind. "He was totally taken aback when I began talking to him about Clifford Geertz's "Interpretation of Cultures." There's also a great tale at an Internet millionaire's whose private chef serves up Campbells and tuna.
"The thumbnails are slow to download and many of them have broken links that make it hard to see them at full size. But her obvious joi de vivre for the nature of her work gives Sam's site amble body."
Luke: "Why?"
Sam: "The challenge it presented... At the time I did not even know how to send emails... When I look at other girl cam sites, it is not as professional..."
Luke: "How does a Ph.D. student in religion put out a site like this?"
Sam: "I'm struck by the incongruity... I have a perverse sense of humor. There's only a conflict if you think that sex is something that is bad or sinfull or dirty. I don't think so.
"I was raised Catholic. My family is very religious. I was a rebel. In Catholicism you believe because you're told to. I never bought that. When I was at Princeton, I became Presbyterian. I like that faith much better."
Luke: "How would your Presbyterian pastor feel about I-Candicam.com?"
Sam laughs. "He would probably be shocked... I do escort work [for the past two years] as well [mentioned in her members section]. But not sex. Just massages and private dances. One of my more regular clients happens to be a minister."
Luke: "Is oral sex sex?"
Sam: "I consider it sex and I do not do that. I get $200 an hour and I do nothing sexual. I dance. I give massages. But that's it."
Luke: "Do you give hand jobs?"
Sam: "Only to the guys I really like [including the minister]."
From Sam's Online Diary:
May 11: Just got back from a four hour dinner date/escort. Paul called the agency early today looking for a girl with blue eyes who liked country music. None of the girls had both requirements but since I had one out of the two, I got the assignment. And what a choice assignment it was! It was some of the easiest money I ever made. I mean, here I was making good money by just hanging in local country dives with this handsome, intelligent, older gentleman. I would have done this for free. Can you believe that he shelled out $750 for an evening with me that involved neither the removal of clothes, nor physical contact, just some harmless flirting across the dinner table?
April 8: Yesterday afternoon I did my first girl-girl strip ever for Exceptional Escorts. What fun! Renee, the girl I did the strip with, was all over me. The lucky guy who paid for this performance went insane when she started rubbing lotion all over my breasts and ass, while pretending to lick my cunt. The whole thing made me pretty hot as well. Afterwards I had to go home a use my vibrator for a while.
April 6: Tonight I was a patient simulator for the med school again. I was reprimanded by one of the directors of the program for not wearing a bra for the physical examination. She said that some of the med students had complained that that they found my bare breasts inappropriate. What's inappropriate about the human body? Oh grow up.
Luke: "There are escort agencies that assign women who don't have sex?"
Sam: "Yep... The police don't buy it either. I live in a conservative place. The nearest strip bar is over an hour away."
Luke: "Do your parents know about your site?"
Sam: "Oh God, no. When I go home, I don't bring my site with me."
Luke: "Wouldn't it be freaky if your dad found your site?"
Sam: "God yes it would be freaky and I don't know how the heck I would explain it."
Luke: "How many people in your personal life know about your site?"
Sam: "It's usually reserved for close friends and boyfriends. None of my professors know."
Luke: "How do your boyfriends like your site?"
Sam: "It depends. Some are all for it and appear on it with me [see the photos of Sam giving head to her boyfriend] but others think it is freaky and weird that I have a camera in my house and that I prance around my apartment naked."
Luke: "When you are intimate with your boyfriend, does that appear on camera?"
Sam: "No because the camera is in my living room and we're usually in the bedroom."
Luke: "Would you consider doing X-rated movies?"
Sam: "I would. I'm supposed to do something for sizzle.com when I go to New Orleans [internet porn fair later this month]."
Luke: "What about the longterm ramifications for your life of this site?"
Sam pauses. "Ummm, I don't know. I think about it but it is not really real. I have no explanation or justification. I'd have to say that I did it because I was curious and wanted to see if I could get away with it. Because I wanted to see if I could make some money doing it. The internet is new and exciting and I wanted to be a part of it. Also, porn is becoming so mainstream. It's part of culture. As a theologian of culture, I should definitely be looking into it."
Luke: "Do you believe in God?"
Sam: "Yes."
Luke: "Do you believe in a traditional conception of God?"
Sam: "No. No."
Luke: "Do you believe that God inspired the Bible?"
Sam: "No."
Luke: "What has been your area of emphasis in your religion studies?"
Sam: "I'm getting a degree in theology, ethics and culture. My dissertation is on alternative medicine. I'm looking at the moral pattern behind alternative medicine. When you read the books and websites, they say, 'If you do X, Y and Z, you'll be rewarded with long life, health... But if you fail to do X, Y and Z, if you have a high fat diet, or consume too much alcohol, then you will get sick.' It's very Deuteronomic."
Luke: "Yes, the Deuteronomic theology. If you follow my commandments, you will be rewarded."
Sam: "Exactly. Before I got interested in theology and culture, I studied Ancient Near Eastern languages and literature. So I did a lot of work with the Hebrew Bible. I'd read about alternative medicine and see Deuteronomy all over the place."
Luke: "So was it reading Deuteronomy that inspired you to take off your clothes?"
Sam: "No. My inhibitions [of lack of them] come from a general enthusiasm for life."
Luke: "Do you agree with Deuteronomy's theology, that if you do God's will you will be rewarded and if you don't, you will be punished?"
Sam: "No, I am much more along the camp of Job and Ecclesiastes..."
Luke: "Do you think that you understand male sexual nature?"
Sam: "Definitely."
Luke: "And do you still like men?"
Sam: "Yeah, I like men very much."
Luke: "Are you bi?"
Sam: "Yes. I prefer men."
Luke: "Do you want to get married and have kids one day?"
Sam: "Yep."
Luke: "What do you think of Pat Riley? Have you ever heard of him?"
Sam: "No."
I read her Pat's beginning description of sexual utopia. Sam finds it ludicrous.
Sam: "I think I have too much testosterone. I was dating this guy and I sent him an email saying that I was really interested in having anal sex. And he says, 'You're like a girl who's been designed by a guy.'"
Luke: "Do you like anal sex?"
Sam: "I like it every once in a while but I wouldn't make a regular diet of it. I'm blunt when it comes to sex. I'm very much a guy when it comes to sex. When women walk into a room, the first thing I do is check out their chests."
Luke: "How many people have you had sex with in your life?"
Sam: "Not that many. I would put it at maybe 25."
Luke: "How close are you to finishing your Ph.D.?"
Sam: "I just got my dissertation approved so I have a long way to go. At least two years."
Luke: "How much email do you get?"
Sam: "Not much. I keep hearing about how much email these girls get and my subscribers are real quiet. I don't get that much."
Luke: "How many subscribers do you have?"
Sam: "I used to have more and as soon as the weather gets warmer, it's shrunk considerably. About 45-50. I was doing much better in the winter."
Luke: "Are your subscribers more interested in your views on ethics and culture and religion or in seeing you naked?"
Sam: "Both. What attracts people to my site is that I am quirky, a Ph.D. student in religion. But I have a healthy appetite for sex. A lot of the email, people tell me about their religious background and they want a response back. Then once they get over the religion stuff, then it gets down to sex.
"I do photo shoots with women. I'm always trying to find new talent for my site. So I'm constantly putting up posters around campus and advertising in newspapers."
Luke: "How do you feel about hardcore pornographic videos?"
Sam: "I like them. The stuff you can get through catalogues and the like, I never think it is hard enough. The only series I really like is the Anabolic series. The ones where they get girls off the street in these different European countries. The girls are totally natural. It is like it is their first time. It is hot. I don't like girls with silicone implants and lip and nose jobs. Too fake."
Luke: "What do you think of Max Hardcore? He urinates in girls mouths. Is that hardcore enough for you?"
Sam: "I think it is gross."
Luke: "Do you think that is immoral?"
Sam: "No. I just don't find that sexually appealing."
Luke: "But you wouldn't call it immoral?"
Sam: "No."
Luke: "Would you like to see it banned?"
Sam: "No."
Luke: "Could you tell me something that is obscene?"
Long pause.
Sam: "Ummm.... Something involving children."
Luke: "Ok, what about something involving purely consenting adults?"
Sam thinks for about ten seconds.
"Real S-M, where people are getting hurt and they're bleeding."
Luke: "What if they liked it?"
Sam: "Yeah, but I wouldn't want to watch it."
Luke: "Would you want it to be legally ruled obscene?"
Sam thinks a long time.
"Did you see 8MM? About a guy who had a snuff film made purely because he could afford to? Stuff like that is too much."
Luke: "You think snuff films are a little too much?"
Sam: "Yeah. I think films where people actually get hurt....is a little too much."
Luke: "Every religion I know of regards masturbation as a sin."
Sam: "They all do. Especially in the Hebrew Bible because it was a waste of seed. Instead of being put towards procreation and building up the nation of Israel."
Luke: "Does it bother you that all religions regard masturbation as a sin? Something that you do for a living."
Sam: "No... You have to understand the Hebrew Bible in its historical context and it reflects mores from the time when it was written. Back then masturbation was considered a bad thing... Until the 20th Century, masturbation was considered harmfull."
Luke: "Every religion would regard your website as sinfull?"
Sam: "But why?"
Luke: "Because it violates God's will for how humans should conduct their sexuality. Sex should be confined to marriage and kept private?"
Sam: "Why private?"
Luke: "The Hebrew word for holy is kadosh, which means separate. Private sex, marital sex, is kept separated from all other types of sex. It is kept private, separate and holy."
Sam: "Yeah, I guess I don't have a response. For me, it's about celebrating and exploring my sexuality. I don't see it as sinfull."
Luke: "How often do you go to church?"
Sam: "What brings me to church is a good sermon and where I live there aren't any... I don't go regularly to church."
Luke: "Are there many Jews around there?"
Sam: "The university tries to draw people from all backgrounds... There are a few."
Luke: "Have you ever considered converting to Judaism?"
Sam: "No. Though I have tremendous profound respect for Judaism. I love Biblical Hebrew. I don't think that once you're a Christian, you can really go back. It only works in one direction."
Luke: "Why did you convert to the Presbyterian Church?"
Sam: "The sermons. Catholicism insults your intelligence. Believe this because we said so. Or, the Catholic Church is the best church because it has been around the longest. Whereas the Protestant churches are much more intellectual and philosophical and much more for an intelligent human being."
Luke: "What's your position on abortion?"
Sam: "I am against it. It is immoral. I am not sure it should be illegal. I'm conservative. I would've voted for Donald Trump...
"The biggest event [in the history of the site] was when I had Truancy Films and do a segment on my site. They're putting out a video called "Women of the Internet." And they spent a day with me and that was pretty exciting."
Kira in New York
Vivid girl Kira visited New York last weekend. Stunningcurves.com reports: "Kira was at Cityscapes, which is in Queens (New York). She was the feature from Thursday to Saturday. Three shows on each night I was there the first night, Thursday night. I went to the 10pm show. She came out in a hot red Devil outfit, which was unbelievable! Red hot with red leather pants, red leather top and even had a red leather tail behind her, which stayed on the whole show. I couldn't get over how beautiful she was. She is a model! So hot! She was really into it. The bar setup was odd, and that was the only downside to the show. The crowd liked her. Alot of the fans wanted photos with her. They would tell her, "I don't know what to say.. but your beautiful". She was very down to earth. Just a very sweet mellow girl. She's very high class."
DaveCummings> Speaking of youth, Ginger Lynn looked good last Sat while she, Tabitha Stevens, Ron Jeremy and I were signing at an erotic gift store in San Diego. She wasn't overly made-up, and her natural beauty was GREAT!
Luke: I heard that Ginger was freaking out about me that night. That I had put her kids name and her address on the web. I don't remember that. But at times I do make mistakes and when you feel that I have put you at harm, you should politely contact me (email is fine) and request that I delete something. I will usually go along with that when asked politely.
Dave Cummings writes: Now that I see what you were referring to with your question earlier tonight on PST, I do recall overhearing Ginger's concern about you publishing her address, her kid's names, and her real name. She was relating it (probably to the person who told you), and I heard part of it--because I was also/simultaneously involved in another conversation with another person, I didn't hear all of what Ginger said). I sensed her concern, but didn't think that she was overly angry with you.
As a personal safety matter, Luke, let me personally ask you to please quietly but quickly delete Ginger's personal data permanently from everywhere on your site that it appears. I would appreciate your conscientiousness and sense of responsibility in so doing. Thanks!
Luke: Sure. But it is not in her profile. If someone will show me a link where I have done the above, I will delete it.
l-keford.com - In Top 6120 Sites On Web
I used my Netscape browser to check out info on my site.
On the upper right of the N. brower is a "What's Related" button. I clicked on that button at l-keford.com and found this:
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Destiny in Luke's Hand
Ishmael ibn Abu writes Luke: In the Name of Allah the Merciful - Asalom Alechim!
Concerning your impending marriage to Miss Kendra Jade, whom you are fated to rescue from pornographic ruin, there is more good news! The Imam and the Rabbi may not agree on many things (other than that there is one God), but they do agree that a man may take more than one wife. (That is why God looks with favor upon your friend Michael South, as he has saved not one but two women from perdition.) You will indeed be permitted to marry Ms. Jade, a Daughter of the People of the Book, and two other women of your choosing! Even as a Jew, this is permitted, since the Rabbinical edict banning such multiple unions that was issued by Rabbi Gershon in 948 was written to last only 1000 years, and the time for it is over. (Yes, we learned more about your faith at our Islamic Academy in Qum than most of you Jews know about it yourselves!)
ONLY YOU can save her from a life of begging for dollar tips, hot
wax, and loneliness. Allah knows that you will defeat the demons inside
you and go on to do the right thing. Ishmael ibn Abu of Mecca, Medina,
and Al-Quds