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Sunday, April 30, 2000

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Monique DeMoan Interview

Roger Pipe interviewed Monique DeMoan, the hot tempered girlfriend of porn actor Jon Dough. Here are some highlights:

Monique on breast implants: "I guess it’s temptation more than pressure. All these chicks have big tits these days. Not too many of the girls are natural and the big titted ones are getting all of the attention. Out on dance circuit, on the video boxcovers, everywhere. That kind of stuff makes me think I should get them, but my boyfriend doesn’t like them, my fans freak out whenever I mention them and I would just rather not get them. That’s why I haven’t done them.

"You want to talk about the faggots at Extreme, no problem. What do you want to know?

"First of all, they are hiring all these people under contract and then they can’t even afford to pay them. If they can’t afford to pay the contract performers, then where is the money going? As far as I’m concerned, they are a bunch of losers and I really feel strongly about that. They are a bunch of f---ing losers. They want to talk all s--- about Jon [Dough] not being able to get his dick up and how he and I are all f---ed up on drugs."

Roger Pipe: "Is there any truth to that?"

Monique: "You know what, a lot of people in this business have their ups and downs. For them to say what they said is totally wrong. Tom Byron of all people has absolutely no room to talk and he knows it. I have partied with that guy many times and he knows he has no room to talk. He’s the biggest drug addict in this business. And Rob Black? What, does he think prescription drugs are any better? Like that doesn’t make him an addict? He’s on tons of anti-depressants He’s all doped up all the time."

Roger: "So I guess you won’t be going back to work them any time soon?"

Monique: "Hell no, never. OK…. And they want to talk about Jon not being able to get his dick up? Jon worked with Vivid, f---ing the finest girls in the industry for years. Not just the Vivid Girls, all the sexiest girls in the business. Then he goes to work for Extreme after being out of the business for a year and a half and look at what they make him work with. Excuse me, but a lot of the girls aren’t that good looking. I’m not putting down all the girls he worked with there, but some of them were just ugly skanks. I don’t want to upset anyone, but I’m pretty pissed that they said the things they did." (From Roger Pipe's Monique DeMoan Interview)

Andy Edmond Update

I've got allegations of drug use at the highest levels of porn. A website devoted to informing people about hallucinogenic drugs and promoting their use was founded by Flying Crocodile owner Andy Edmond.

The website www.ynotsucks.com has been taken down but you can find some insight into Andy Edmond here. The home page for this is http://www.lycaeum.org. It seems to promote drug use.

Similar to Andy's free hosting sites, The Lycaeum includes this disclaimer: "The Lycaeum is not responsible for content of hosted sites. These pages are only hosted by us, not maintained by us. To report problems, please contact the owner of the site directly."

XXX writes: "BTW that is a drug site [http://users.lycaeum.org] he founded, specializing in hallucinogens and drugs... Maybe this can explain some of his bizarre behavior?"

I surfed over to http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/other/kitchen/

And I read an article on the joy of raising legal entheogens, a fancy word for hallucinogenic substances. On top of the article, is this: "additional formatting by Andrew Edmond..."

Then I read this: "I want to preface this with what I see as the advantage of the home cultivation of legal entheogens and the extraction of the aforementioned in the kitchen (or any room of the house, for that matter). First and foremost, there is the peace of mind in not having to buy illegal substances.

"Secondly, there is the magical feeling of having at your disposal a means of altering consciousness; when you cultivate these plants, the state has been through a long consecration of sorts while you tended to the plant bearing the particular "spirit." If you keep everything in it's proper place, should you be afraid? Why don't you cultivate yet something different altogether in conjunction with your plants to justify your owning the solvents needed? One could begin painting, wine making, or anything else constructive and healing."

Andrew Edmond writes: My only comment is as follows: "Everyone knows XXX is Kevin Blatt. I really hopes that Kevin finds something more productive to do with his time... XXX's continued disparaging, slanted, and totally baseless comments around the industry are causing nobody any harm except Kevin, which is sad because I personally really like the guy, and speak highly of him at every opportunity. Most people that know both of us wish he would do something productive for himself... like moving on with his life. This is business, not high school."

Luke: I can't comment on my sources. But I can comment on drugs and porn. They go together like rock and roll. Many porners used drugs. Walter Gernert, who founded VCA, has been a longtime user and advocate of drugs. He remains highly committed to legalizing drugs such as cocaine.

I hear that a couple of ex-YNOT employees have received cease-and-desist letters for supposedly trashing YNOT to me. They replied to Flying Crocodile, YNOT's parent company, "F--- you."

Several ex-YNOT employees signed agreements before they left to not speak or write about YNOTnetwork.com.

YNOT is owned by SexTracker.com, which is owned by 26-year old whizkid Andy Edmond who employs about 150 persons.

Andy's former sales exec Shawn Bode left the company last week. Shawn's supposedly told people that he wrote SexTracker's programming code and that he was a co-founder of the company. Edmond says Bode wrote no code, and was not a corporate officer.

XXX: "Edmond and co know that there is so much ammunition out there against them and they are just hoping that everybody will keep quiet."

Luke: "Are you sure that Bode wrote code for SexTracker?"

AntiAndy: "You could call several other porners in the hosting business who Shawn's personally told that he writes all the code for SexTracker.

"JT, the Flying Crocodile PR man, is Andy's brother. He was a starving actor in LA so Andy gave him something to do.

"Edmond talks about the Fortune 500 companies. What a crock. Scott Byhr used to run a coffee company, called Millstone Coffee. That's who's running Flying Crocodile.

"Yeah, these guys came from Fortune 500 companies. Andy's trying to make Flying Crocodile into a corporate shell. It won't work. If it was such a good idea to turn these porn business into corporate companies, then why hasn't Ron Levi and Rich Botto and Joe Elkin started corporate structures?

"This came out of your Andy Edmond Bio. "I want to turn all 10,000 webmasters who come to YNOT every day into educated advocating individuals for the protection of not just their sites, but the whole business" Have you ever seen the number 10,000 appear on the webmasters online section of YNOT? This is an all out lie, and anyone reading your article will agree that there are probably collectively 15,000 webmasters in our entire business.

"Where is this house: ""We're going to take all the YNOT money and pour it back in so we can get a place in Washington, a lobbying building, meet with VISA, workout guidelines about credit card billing... We want to get everybody on the chess board, get the rules known and make it happen. YNOT is not going to be a vehicle to promote Sextracker..."

"We've just released the Adult Webmaster Directory. We've built an awesome relationship with APIC run by Steve Easton [an organization for net porn content providers] to help manage licensed content around the internet. We've invested about $100,000 in technology we're lending to them, so they can make more money... "

AntiAndy writes: This is the same guy [Steve Easton] Andy called an asshole publicly on the YNOT board just a week and a half ago."

Flipper writes: Here, post this photo of Andy Edmond. I am sure he hates to be associated with this heroin chic picture of him. hehehehe

Johnny Castano Out of Hospital

Veteran photographer Johnny Castano is back home, after spending three weeks in the hospital recovering from back surgery. He could do with calls from his friends.

Johnny: "I really went through hell, man. They just sent me home Friday. And I'm in a wheelchair right now. I had a really serious back operation. I had an accident about two years ago. I thought my back was all right. A very serious car accident. Someone smashed into the back of me. I went to the hospital and they thought everything was all right.

"Then suddenly, about a month ago, I could hardly walk. It hit me and I was bent over and I finally went to the doctor and he said, 'You have to go to the hospital and have your back fixed or you ain't ever going to walk again.' And had a f---ing back operation.

"I talked to Regan [Senter] about five or six times. And I said 'Tell Luke I'm in the hospital.' But you know he's such a scatterbrain, you can't talk to him.

"I've been really sick. Luke, take care of your back... You can't believe what it does to you. Right now my legs are completely... I never knew a spine could be so destructive. The spine controls everything.

"I'm going to get better. I'm not going to work for another three months...but I've just got to stick it out, that's all... I have a woman come in every three days and takes care of me. She gives me a shower... But boy, have I been going through hell."

Am I Evil?

Concerned writes: I am troubled. I recently went to http://www.jerkoffzone.com/nomore.mpg for a free Max Hardcore download. The mpeg has Max urinating into a visibly upset Anastasia Blue's mouth. I wish I could tell you that I was disgusted and repulsed, but the truth is I laughed. I laughed at a woman who would rather swallow Max's piss than work a normal 40 hour a week job. Some of your readers would call Ms. Blue a victim, but I felt no pity for that piss soaked soul. I love women. I respect women. But try as I might I can't feel sorry for any woman that seeks this career choice. Luke, you have been very honest on your own personal love/hate conflict with porn and so I value your opinion. Am I a misogynist or am I normal?

Luke: You are normal.

Fred: I find it hard to believe that Anastasia Blue had no idea what Max Hardcore was about to do to her. Is it really the case the Mr. Hardcore does not brief his co-stars as to what he is about to do to them?

Luke: I'm sure Max briefed them.

Fred: In light of the fact that Anastasia Blue knew what was coming, I guess I don't have any sympathy for her either. Doubtless, she could have gotten any of a thousand jobs--cashier at a supermarket, blue collar laborer, taxi driver, waitress, brain surgeon (just kidding) etc. etc. In order to avoid actually working for a living, she decided to sell her dignity and let Max piss in her mouth. I wonder what her dignity sells for nowadays. Query what else you could get her to do for that sum of money

Black Women, White Men

Jay writes on RAME: I love watching hot porn whith white men f---ing sexy hot nasty black babes.There seem to be alot more of this kind of porn coming on videos now.I think the best is black street hookers series.The black girls are very young in most of the videos.And t.t. boy is really rough with most of them.In several tapes he seem to raped the sexy young black girls.I love the dark skin girls riding those white cocks it really turn me on.I have most of all the black street hookers series and many many more tapes with the best white men f---ing black women if u would like to trade tapes.If u know any other videos that have good black women and white men f--- scenes let me know.Are they any wm/bf scenes in black cheeleader search series.?

New Twist On Suitcase Pimpdom

Voyager7 writes on RAME: While force-feeding my fav peep booth with dead presidents yesterday, I ran across a Bridget the Midget/Dick Nasty/Rod Fontana flick, (forgot the name, and couldn't find it listed online anywhere).... Since I'm a natural-borne-perv, the 3'7" midge does offer up some possibilities, after seeing bits of her in the peeps in 4 or 5 different flicks now though, the thrill is definitely gone...... However, in this particular title, she is standing, giving a bj to a standing guy...both are the "right" height for this. This really didn't grab my attention for longer than about 10 seconds, however, while flipping the channels I happened to catch where she took a pretty decent facial.

While the camera was lingered on her face, we could see the parolee go off and bring back a suitcase, he put it on the couch (I forgot to note if it was the vaunted Zane "burnt-orange" couch, sorry folks....) anyway, the cretin then unzips the soft-sided suitcase, opens it up, then lifts the midge up, copious cum still on her face, and places her in the suitcase, she really didn't have to scrunch up much to fit in, he then closed the flap, zippered it, put it down on the floor and wheeled it away...... Amazing!

Gossip

In January, Steve Hirsch at Vivid Video fired his head of production. The reason - a bunch of missing releases which had Playboy TV threatening to sue.

I hear that the reason www.porngossip.com is rarely updated these days is that owner Bo, of LGI, had a death in the family. LGI's server were down for about 30 hours.

Director Nic Cramer is back shooting for Sin City again. He got canned a couple of years ago when he shot a "young girls" oriented feature from Cannes, France, for Sin City. He had a French girl, who was of adult age, say on camera that she was 16 years old. It cost owner David Sturman a pile of money to pull the movie off the shelves, recall it from stores and distributers, and then reedit the sound track. He finally released the tape without problem.

JimGunn> In my young girl movies I make them use key phrases that signify youth, but carefully avoid, anything that specifically says they are underage.

Luke: Dear David, I am sorry if I sounded insensitive to your monetary loss. That was not my intention.

Matt: well, katja kean is in town f---ing her poor heart for sin city this week in chatsworth filming a memorable movie.

David Sturman is trying to sign Jade Marcella as a Sin City contract girl.

When he was at VCA, Harry Weis, now with Metro, planned to put together a comp of Peter North's homosexual work under the moniker "Matt Ramsey."

Brandy's Forest Lawn Update

Brandy Alexandre has a blistering update here on her Forest Lawn dispute.

Lynne L-patin writes: Dear Brandy:

I wish you all the best with this suit -- in all aspects.

The definition of "constructive termination" was very interesting, in that I was exposed to just such a situation in a now defunct adult company -- an employee was allowed to harrass and intimidate me constantly during my entire year and a half's employment. Not sexually, but by generally acting like an asshole during staff meetings, threatening me with physical violence, refusing to cooperate with me when it was appropriate....

I was demoted a few days before Christmas when I caught this employee and the boss (female -- they were "involved") stealing from VCA. I was told that one of the reasons for my demotion was that my clerical support staff complained I left her notes on Post-it Notes!

My husband was on trial at the time in North Carolina with Gourmet Video. As soon as he was acquitted, I quit my job.

But the worst of it was that these people lied to Russ Hampshire about me. He had gotten me the job. He was in prison at the time. He believed them....

This was way back in 1992, and I'm pleased to see that employment laws are changing a bit. One of the women I worked with at my last regular adult industry job recently won a sexual harrassment case against Heatwave Video. It took forever and she didn't get much money, but she won. And she was clearly harrassed -- she saved all the crude notes and cartoons posted in her office about her having sex with donkeys, etc.! She was an overweight art director of great ability, fired because they found someone who would work for less money, so she countersued. No one during the entire process mentioned that she should have expected to be harrassed because she chose to work with sexually explicit material.

One of the regular criticisms I've heard over the years about my continued employment in the adult industry is that I should expect sexual harrassment because it's "that kind of work." I've always countered with "Sexual harrassment is rampant in ALL industries." The world has finally caught up to me.

So far during my job search I have answered honestly whenever asked about the types of movies I produced over the last few years -- I say, "I made cable movies for the Playboy Channel" and I am not getting bad reactions except from my sociology teacher, who is entrenched in feminist doctrine and really wants to believe in snuff movies and that the entire industry is as bad as Max Hardcore.

Personally, I believe AVN is one of the major contributors to the problem of downgrading porn.

Starting with what they did to you way back when, and escalating over the years. So you will win... You have my whole-hearted support, and if there is anything I can do -- emotional support or otherwise, you've got it.

Fred writes: I read Brandy's post re her EEOC complaint against Forest Lawn. Just to summarize, as I understand it, she has accused Forest Lawn of discrimination, arguing that she was treated differently (i.e. effectively fired without warning) than other allegedly comparable people who were subjected to discipline.

I like Brandy, and I think the world of her, but I question whether she was in a position comparable to other folks who were disciplined in a different manner at Forest Lawn. As she points out, none of the other people at Forest Lawn were ex porn stars. I think Forest Lawn will argue that the basic problem with Brandy was the notoriety that comes with being a porn star. Nothing comparable to that notoriety was present with anyone else at Forest Lawn. Further, that notoriety could not be remedied in any way. There is no way to undo a prior career. There was no warning they could give her, because there is no way to erase the past. At least if I were their lawyer, that's what I would argue. It sounds like a good argument to me. (I don't work in this field, so what the heck to I know.)

If I were Brandy, I'd brain storm with McKinnon to try to come up with arguments and counterarguments to help bolster her case that she is comparable to these other employees.

Perhaps she should argue that she is no more notorious among Forest Lawn's target market than any of the people she cited as discipline problems at Forest Lawn. I don't know. I think she just has to work on that argument a bit.

But I hope she wins.

Fall Of CC Processor DMR

For the past few months, I've been covering the problems of credit card processors on the internet. DMR was big until last year. They recently went under. Here are excerpts of the story from the Minneapolis Star Tribune:

Ask former employees what they remember most about Eliance Corp. and some will mention explaining to friends why they worked for a business that processed credit card payments for online porn sites; others will mention the palpable excitement a year ago when New York venture capitalists pumped $18 million into Eliance and talked openly about taking the company public during what was then a white-hot market for Internet stocks.

Eliance had one thing going for it, however: it didn't provide content to adult Web sites. Instead, it developed a sophisticated software program that allowed it to clear credit card purchases for adult sites. A person who chose to subscribe to a porn site would be immediately linked to an Eliance server. In return for managing the subscription and collecting payment from Visa, Eliance received between 8.7 percent and 14.95 percent of the subscription fee.

Then named DMR, the company grew rapidly, to $9.2 million in 1997 and $22.3 million in 1998. By then it processed payments for 10,000 different Web sites, more than 90 percent of them adult oriented. Six of the 10 highest-volume Web sites in the adult entertainment field were DMR customers.

Visa had placed Eliance on its monitoring program back in August 1998 because of the growing number of "chargebacks," which occurred when people who had subscribed to adult sites disputed their bills. Often, they were unaware that they would be charged for the next month's subscription unless they canceled at the end of their "free" one.

By December 1998, Visa was assessing the company a $25 fine for every chargeback. In March 1999 it increased to $50, or about $1 million per month, and Visa was threatening to cancel the account, which would have put Eliance out of business.

Drug Free Kianna Bradley

I talked by phone to Metro contract girl Kianna Bradley (KiannaBradley1@aol.com) Saturday night.

Kianna: "Chris [Cannon, porn star] is spoiling me. I've had my hair and nails done... I've been tanning. He's got me back in the gym.... I'm going to be a total brat to everybody now... He's getting me a cool tattoo for my birthday [May 10].

"I'm getting a tattoo around my arm of Daisy and my daughter's name... My grandmother just died. And her favorite flower was daisy... So I am putting my daughter's name around a daisy chain. Her name is Alessandra. And my grandmother's name was Alice Sandra...

"And I'm putting a Japanese saying on my butt bone - "Fear nothing."

Luke: "Are you guys boyfriend - girlfriend?"

Kianna: "I don't know. We're not really boyfriend-girlfriend. Let me get Chris on the phone."

Chris: "I don't do titles.

"Kianna is like my best friend. I love her to death and would do anything for her. I just want her to get well..."

Luke: "How long have you known her?"

Chris: "About a year and a half..."

Kianna: "Tuesday, court, are you going to be there?"

Luke: "Yes."

Kianna: "They ordered me to come back as a witness for the prosecution [of Earl Slate for beating Kianna, his wife].

"I called Tony [Earl Slate] and left him a message. 'Tony, it's Kianna. I want you to know that I can't stop caring about you. Even though what you did to me... I can't believe you're saying that I sold your truck and your car... I talked to somebody today who saw you recently and he said you looked really really bad... I feel great. I haven't been doing any drugs. I'm taking care of myself and I hope that you end up going the same way too. The last time I saw you in court, you looked like s---. You should make yourself look more presentable this time.'"

Luke: "How long have you been drug free?"

Kianna: "About two weeks. I told Greg [Alves, Metro's talent General Manager] that Chris has me on this health kick now. I'm trying to be drug free. I honestly look a lot better I think. I feel great.

"I went out with Greg and Wendy [Knights, porn star] the past couple of nights. Greg and Wendy got engaged. I was stoked. They called me the day I was in court. They wanted me to come in and talk to Greg. And so I went in thinking 'Ohmigod, I'm in trouble.' They found out I was back with Earl.

"And Greg says, 'We're your friend. We want to help you. We're kind pissed off you went back to Earl.' So I said, 'Am I still contract?' And they said, 'Of course you are.' Then I went out to dinner with them. I had bought Wendy some flowers because it was her birthday and she had gotten engaged on her birthday. And I bought her a little telephone that she had wanted. I was so happy. They were just so in love. It was wonderful. They're so happy together. The ring was so beautiful. They've been together over a year. They might go to Bora Bora...

'Rayne is going to court with me. She's also throwing my birthday party... And I have a Penthouse shoot at the end of May.

"Tell all the guys from PST [www.pornstartrading.com] especially VideoEd, Diablo, Adam and Mastrick, that I said that I loved them all. Thank you very much for their support. They're so great. I appreciate all the emails. And to that producer in San Diego who wanted to take me to Sea World. I've lost your phone number."

Amsterdam Sex Slaves

Whateva writes on Netpond: "I spent the day with friends who know I make my living in online porn. They were all discussing a segment on NBC's Dateline last night and asking me questions. The story was about trafficking in female sex workers from East European countries to work on websites in Amsterdam. They supposedly screw the chicks out of their money and keep them there or rent them out for prostitution. My friends couldn't give me any names of the websites exposed on the show. I send a ton of traffic to one of the Amsterdam sites and I really dont want to be a party to this type of crime. Did anybody else see the show and have any ideas which sites were doing this?"

Pat Riley, Traci Lords

Pat Riley writes on RAME: Maybe you mean that the child pornographers who owned tapes featuring Traci [Lords] couldn't make as many bucks as they thought they would have out of her movies. I don't recall anyone whining about millions of dollars of unreleased footage of Traci they had to dump. Some small number of unsold tapes perhaps. Teaches these people to be more careful in future. At the time this happened, my local store had about a dozen Traci rental tapes none of which were big money makers. He sold them off to favored customers at a premium price. No loss.

Lynne responds: "Child pornography," in my mind at least, refers to material which contains representations of individuals who are pre-pubertal, i.e., children. People who are sexually attracted to eight year olds would not find the average sixteen-year-old sexually interesting. And vice versa. Children have powerful sexualities which we try as a society to ignore, but that does not mean their sexuality should be subject to exploitation by adults any more than they should be exploited for their labor, something which we no longer approve.

Riley: Since I regard most (there might be a few I haven't heard of) pornographers as human sludge who are only too willing to rip off the public every time they can, I'll lose no opportunity to cast them in the most unfavorable light possible. Hence the term "child pornographer" applying to those who made movies using an underage Traci Lords. Whether you like the term or not, it's what's used by most of the non-porn-fanatic public and is embodied in various pieces of legislation.

Of course I agree with Lynne's objections to the artificial suppression of the sexuality of teenagers but I don't consider this extends to porno movies. Appearing in such movies is one of life's major decisions and 18--the age at which most people make choices about jobs, college, etc.--is an appropriate one.

Lynne: The age of a person's entrance into adulthood, at which time they may consent to sexual activity, is a cultural issue, with various ages considered appropriate in different times and places. Females become physiological women years before they are allowed by current American laws to have legal sex.

Our society prolongs adolescence as a labor market tactic reflecting our extended life span, and statistics show that most teenagers are indeed sexually active It's very confusing, especially to a horny fifteen-year-old who's been menstruating for years.

Pat Riley forgets that Traci misrepresented herself to legitimate business people as a legal adult, with legal identification, with the right to contract to sexually explicit performances as an adult, a right which she did not have.

Riley: I don't forget this at all but in a sleazy business like porn it's clearly encumbent on the pornographer to ensure he's not working with underage people. He can expect that runaways, druggies, and the like will try to slip under the wire and even in the days prior to the 2257 regulations he should have been alert to the possibilities. Traci's conduct was akin to an underage person trying to pass and buy a drink in a bar. It's to be expected. Let's not try to shift the blame.

Lynne: The video producers who invested in Traci Lords material which had to be removed from distribution lost considerable potential income. Material in distribution was returned to manufacturers at their cost for destruction, and credit issued. Cash flow was disrupted. Hard cash money spent on was spent on unanticipated expenses for freight, paperwork, processing.... Then there were the losses from tangible assets such as boxes and duplicated videocassetes, which had to be destroyed.

But the magazine publishers took the hardest hits -- actual physical destruction of valuable inventory, sometimes because a magazine title contained only one disembodied photo of Traci's legs, cost them a great deal of money.

Riley: Yeah, potential income. You know I saved $200,000 today. I didn't buy a Ferrari.

If she's not doing sex there's no reason to remove the photo. If this really occurred it was vast overreaction.

Stop it, please. My tears are going to short out my keyboard. You're talking trivia. About the only thing of any quantity the manufacturer is likely to have is the last tape--Traci Takes Tokyo IIRC--so there might have been a few boxcovers for this to be destroyed. The tapes can be re-used. The older catalog tapes can be reused. No one offered my video store a refund for tapes purchased nor did I hear anything about a recall at the consumer level. Ya' know like they do with normal products: bring your copy of (say) Young Girls Do into your distributor for a full refund of your purchase price.

Lynne: Traci Lords deliberately defrauded a legal industry by representing herself as something she was not -- a person with the legal right to participate. She swindled the adult industry just as badly as a person who misrepresents herself as a medical doctor swindles people who come to her for medical care. Traci profited from her fraud, both financially and by becoming a celebrity at the expense of the adult industry. That the government did not prosecute adult manufacturers over the issue is the best possible defense of our lack of intent to produce "child pornography" with this performer.

Pat Riley was not privy to the management meetings at which companies dealt with the issues. He's a video reviewer, not a pornographer. His job is to evaluate the product from the perspective of the consumer, not to police the internal policies of manufacturers or publishers. In my mind it is just amazing that, since Traci Lords, only one heterosexual female performer managed to slip through the very careful screening of identification documents which was put into place to prevent such a situation from happening again. There are plenty of women of legal age to fuel the pornography engine. No one is out there looking for sixteen-year-olds pretending to be eighteen.

Riley: I have opinions about the way Microsoft designed Windows too. Should I check with Bill prior to discussing them publicly?

That's not true [about only one minor slipping through]. There's the girl at Extreme--Sunshine I think her name was--and just recently Precious at Darkside Entertainment, in addition to Alexandra Quinn who I presume you're referring to. Then we have the guy out of Philadelphia--Big Daddy Red, was it?--who's currently languishing in jail. And those are just the ones we hear about. How many tapes have never been distributed or have been quietly dropped from the line up? We'll never know.

What you don't say is that this was a system forced on the industry as a result of the Meese commission. If the industry had had it's way nothing would have changed.

That wasn't the point but I'd take issue with your concept that there are plenty of women of legal age etc. Maybe there are plenty of mutts and pigs but judging by the debutante tapes and the new girls in the VVWA&E type tapes the industry has lots of trouble coming up with high quality girls. Based on their belly condition, most today seem to be unmarried mothers pushed off the welfare rolls by Clinton's reforms.

Lynne: What bothers me most about Pat's comment is that I remember a few weeks back when he posited model Kate Moss as an attractive woman. Kate Moss looks like a pre-pubertal girl. No hips, no breasts. Anorexic and physically frail to the point where she may or may not menstruate.

Males who prefer their women to look like children have a twist in their psyche that precludes relationships with adult equals. A man who is looking for a female partner who is subservient and will not make demands on them has a fragile male identity and low self-esteem. Some of them are closeted homosexuals who would other males if it were more socially acceptable, while others fixate on Asian women who are perceived as passive and physically childlike. They see women as big hairy things with extra body fat, tits and asses, who have bloody, messy cunts. Women talk back and like having the last word. They expect men to stay home and do their share of housework. Awful people, always interfering with a man's life. Bitch, bitch, bitch. Ooops, that's the Labrador....

Riley: Maybe you should have a look at Kate Moss before you continue. I enclose a jpg which Luke can put on his website if he desires but be warned I don't own copyright to this (I don't know who does) and if you publish it any nasty lawsuits are your problem (highly unlikely). Now, Lynne take a look at those protuberances between her belly and her shoulders. Where I come from we call them "breasts". They're probably only a B cup, considerably smaller than yours IIRC but OTOH they're firm and upstanding . As to her hips, sheesh, what's holding up that skirt? You notice the nice little tuck in at the waist? As to her supposed thinness, can you count her ribs? Can you even see her ribs? Didn't think so. Kate is constantly maligned by fat people who only wish they could have her body.

Or maybe they have a guardian male approach and like to sequester her before the female has been used by all and sundry and is too old to satisfactorily nurture their young. Maybe this is a pretty good time-tested approach to the most important role each of us has in life: propagation of the species.

Cheryl writes: Dear Lynne, I wanted to comment on the negative responses that you have been receiving by letting you know that the views expressed do not represent the whole. I have enjoyed your insight and obviously thoughtful narratives. It is truly a shame that the perception of sexuality in this country is so severely constrained by what the media portrays as being "sexy". I hope you continue to express your views and share your unique perspective.

Mike South Takes On Gloria Leonard

Mike South writes: Hey Luke...Gene I guess didnt like my answers to Glorioski...so here...you can run em if ya want. You seem to have almost as big a set of balls as Gloria does.

Mike writes GeneRoss.com: Wow Gene I can always count on Gloriosky it seems, allow me to answer some questions for her.

Gloria Leonard writes: "Dear Gene, Thought you and your readers might like >to know that an alliance has been formed between the Free Speech Coalition >and the Gay Adult Video Association. Inasmuch as our agenda and goals are >fairly identical. >

Mike: Gloriosky as tempting as it may be to make a joke about being ass f---ed here I won't as I am sure the Gay Adult Video Association is an upstanding bunch, although an alliance with the FCS makes me question their ultimate motives, not to mention any semblance of common sense.

Gloria: "On another matter entirely, is anyone else out there troubled by our >government's hypocrisy in that they won't allow most teen-age girls to >have an abortion or have access to birth control information but we're >considering allowing a six-year old boy from Cuba to decide whether he >wants to become an American citizen?"

Mike: Abortion and birth control have nothing to do with Elian, but there are some serious issues in his case, lest you not forget Elian's mother paid for his freedom with her life. Castro would have thought nothing of shooting Elian along with his mother as they attempted the escape, he has done this many times. In the most basic issue it becomes a matter of the child's best interest and well being, you may not have noticed but the government can and will take custody of a child if it considers that to be in the child's best interest. Regardless this is an issue that should have been handled by the state of Florida as Reno first said it would be. Reno's decision to send in jack booted thugs in the early morning hours and the circumstances surrounding the decisions under which she acted amounts to nothing less than a circumvention of the 11th Circuit's ruling. Even Alan Derschowitz agrees that was a clear violation of the rule of law.

Gloria: "And do the Boy Scouts of America REALLY believe that there are no gay members other than the one making all the noise?! It's tantamount to the Catholic Church denying that there are any gay priests! Give me a f---ing break..."

Mike: Tell ya what Gloriosky instead I will give you an education. As a PRIVATE entity the Boy Scouts of America have every right to deny membership to anyone for any reason, as does the Catholic Church. It may be in the best interest of private organizations not to behave this way but the government has ABSOLUTELY NO business in this issue. Instead the public should vote on it with it's pocketbook. With no members the Boy Scouts of America isn't. As for Darva, well she just shows herself to be what we all knew she was anyway.

Laura writes: This idiot Mike South doesn't know what the f--- he is talking about, the 11th district court's ruling had to do with the child not being allowed to leave the country, it did not prevent the child from being handed over to his father. Thank God finally Reno at last acted by taking that exploited child away from that dysfunctional family to his rightful place with his dad. And BTW they had a warrant, there was nothing illegal about it whatsoever. What right does a bunch of hysterical right wing anti-Castro fanatics have in denying a father's right to his child for political reasons? And who is he and other right wing hypocrites to call these marshalls who possibly risked their lives to enforce the law in an operation in which no one got hurt"jack-booted thugs" all the while they consistantly defend real police brutality all over the nation in the name of law and order? Rudy being the supreme hypocrite of all. Mike South should just stick to what he knows best, porn, and not bother to comment on issues of substance. From the liberal Jew, Laura.

Chaim Amalek writes: Remember your roots, Luke. You made your bones in porn, not feminism. Therefore, no woman should be permitted to contribute to your web site until it has first been established that she is hot looking. Consider this Laura person. For all we can tell, she looks like Janet Reno or Donna Shalela (another liberal jew). You should refuse to publish anything of hers until she sends you a verified jpeg, you post it, and your male readers (99.7% of your readership, at least) decide through an honest vote that she is sufficiently attractive to be worth listening to.

PS This last week, between our Mayor Guiliani's illness and the ongoing kulture kampf of the jewish left, we have seen a taste of what is in store for New York City once our Guiliani is no longer mayor. The blood is already beginning to flow. (Of course, the recent round of victims is made up entirely of People of Color, so the reaction from the liberal jews who run this city has been muted.)

Mike South replies: Ya know Luke being a jew and presumably being educated you would think that Laura would have a little more intelligence. But since she I doesn't I will attempt to educate her as well. This is NOT a simple tale about a child being reunited with his father. A few points to consider

· Juan Gonzalez was not married to Elian’s mother when Elian was born. They had been divorced for two years.

· Juan Gonzalez has never had custody of Elian. Elian has never lived with his father. This is not a “reunion” in that sense of the word. · Juan Gonzalez did not ask for the return of his child until after Castro got involved.

· There is evidence that Gonzalez knew that his child was on the way to America and actually called the Miami relatives to tell them to expect his arrival.

· Castro is holding Juan Gonzalez’ parents under house arrest in Cuba. It is clear to Juan what will happen if he tries to defect.

OK Laura now go look at the appeals court order. Go ahead and read if for yourself and see if you can find one word or phrase in there that even smells like an order for the federal government to go into that house and seize Elian Gonzalez.

· First --- Elian has a case pending before the INS. The Appeals Court ruling would indicate that the case is valid and that Elian had standing to seek asylum. If that is so, then Elian’s interests in that proceeding are adverse to the interests of his father. Yet Elian is being denied any access to those who would be his advocates in that proceeding, including attorneys, while being forced into virtual seclusion with his father and his father’s attorney, Gregory Craig. Sounds a lot like denial of counsel to me. Also sounds like Mr. Craig may have some conflict problems.

· According to Christopher Ruddy’s NewsMax.com, Republican Senator Bob Smith was denied an opportunity to talk to Elian or his father at Andrews Air Force Base. In fact, Smith was denied entry to the base. You can read that account through this link:

· http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/4/24/232021

· Elian and his dad have been sent to the Wye River Plantation in Maryland, where Bill Clinton held Middle East peace talks two years ago. While his Miami relatives try to work the legal system to keep him in the U.S., Elian will reportedly be joined at the plantation by a dozen of his Cuban schoolmates, teachers, and probably Cuban officials.

· A Washington source reaffirms his information that Clinton has given strict orders to those federal officers closest to Elian and his father that they are not to be given any opportunity to seek asylum in the United States.

· Clinton’s Justice Department filed papers with the federal court last week saying that there is no evidence that Elian Gonzalez helped prepare or understood an application for political asylum that bears his signature and that there is no evidence that he would meet the standards for granting asylum.

OK ... so I never practiced immigration law and I’m not up to speed on all INS procedures, but for the life of me it looks like the Justice Department has undertaken the role of arguing on behalf of Fidel Castro in this matter. The Clinton Administration is doing everything that it possibly can to make sure that Elian and his father are shipped back to Cuba as quickly as possible.

Could there be any reason for this other than the existence of some sort of a deal between Castro and Clinton? Laurence Tribe and Alan Dershowitz are both liberals. They’re both law professors at Harvard, widely considered to be the number one law school in this country. Tribe is often mentioned as a future Supreme Court nominee. When it comes to the law, and to the rule of law, they know their stuff. Both of these law professors have suggested that Clinton’s actions last Saturday morning were flat out ILLEGAL --- a violation of the Constitutional rights of the Miami Gonzalez family and of Elian. Do you understand the meaning of that word … illegal? It means against the law. We’re talking about Clinton completely ignoring the law --- again --- for his own political gain.

I don’t guess you’ve heard about that ordered issued by Judge J.L. Edmondson of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, have you? It was issued last week – and it contains a few little goodies that clearly indicate that Judge Edmondson – if not the entire 11th Circuit Court – is not all too thrilled with what the Clintonistas have done. The order gave Janet Reno until 4:00 Thursday afternoon to come up with some good reason why the Court should not appoint some representative to specifically represent the interests of Elian Gonzalez in this matter. Right now the Clinton Administration is shielding Elian from any and all persons that might have an adverse effect on Clinton’s determination to see Elian and his father fly back to Castro. Judge Edmondson didn’t stop there. I certainly can’t speak for him, but it would appear that Judge Edmondson has a pretty good idea what Clinton is up to.

He added this paragraph to his order: Any and all persons acting for, or behalf of, or in concert with Plaintiff, Elian Gonzalez, are ENJOINED from aiding or assisting, or attempting to aid or assist, in the removal of Plaintiff to any place within the United States lying beyond the power and jurisdiction of the Courts of the United States, including, but not limited to, any place that is or may be entitled to diplomatic immunity.

ABOUT THAT SEARCH WARRANT

Just a little information about the warrant that Clinton used in an attempt to justify the Saturday raid. The Federal District Judge in Miami who is handling the Elian matter is Michael Moore. He has full knowledge of the case. He would normally be the one who would issue the order or warrant allowing the Clinton posse to enter the home and seize Elian. Obviously Clinton didn’t want to go through Judge Moore to get his warrant. Perhaps that is because the allegations contained in the warrant were going to be lies --- and Judge Moore would figure that out in a heartbeat. So, the Clinton posse waited until after 7:00 Friday night when they could go to some federal duty magistrate who had no familiarity with the case and get him to sign the warrant. The warrant said that Elian was "concealed" in the house. He was not. The warrant also said that Elian was an "illegal alien." Again, he was not. A federal court had already ruled that Elian had applied for asylum and, thus, was not an "illegal." So ... again. The Clinton Administration used it’s most common weapon ... lies.

AND WHAT ABOUT CLINTON’S CLAIM REGARDING CUSTODY?

As you know, Clinton claimed last week that the courts had ordered Elian be transferred to the custody of his father, and that he was determined to see that the "rule of law" was followed in this case. True? Did the courts order a transfer of custody?

Here’s a little footnote to the 11th Circuit Order of a week ago: "The INS, in its response to Plaintiff's motion, said it would consent to an injunction requiring the INS to bar Plaintiff's departure from the United States if this Court also entered an order directing Lazaro Gonzalez to present Plaintiff to the INS, as directed by the INS, for transfer of care to Plaintiff's father. We decline to proceed in that manner." There you go. Another clear Clinton lie. Not only did the court not order a transfer of Elian’s custody to his father ... but the order contained a note specifically stating that the Court was not going to order such a transfer. So – Clinton phonies up a little search warrant, gets it signed by a magistrate who doesn’t know what’s going on, and sends in the storm troopers.

What's it take to wake you the f--- up Laura....a gas chamber?

Goddess writes: Luke--settle a "discussion" between Mike South and myself:) Do you ever up-date on Saturdays and exactly WHEN is the Sabbath (hour wise). Thank you, sir.

Luke: The Sabbath begins at 18 minutes before sundown Friday night, and runs until about an hour after sundown Saturday nights. I update after sundown Saturday. I don't use my computer on the Sabbath (except for those occassions when I break the Sabbath to do what I want).

Marilyn Chambers on Luke F-rd

ADT - What do you think of industry gossip sites like Luke F-rd?

Marilyn Chambers - I've never seen his stuff so i don't know. I've talked to him. We need controversy though, especially since the religious groups have backed off.

Where Do All The Usenet Pictures Come From?

Bubbles writes: There are literally tens of thousands of performers in millions of pictures on the internet. Where do all these performers come from? Where are the pictures taken? Is there one or two areas in particular? Are the majority of 'free' pictures stolen from pay sites or publishers?

Luke: They are usually stolen from paysites and videos or scanned from magazines.

Because I Am Better Than You

Chaim Amalek writes: Dear Readers:

I have been engaged in a lot of introspective thought of late; more than you know. Some of it has been solitary, other as a result of the struggle between certain correspondents and the invented "Chaim Amalek" side of my being. But the most important analysis has been, well, in the office of my analyst.

And here, in a nutshell, is what she says about you. You who care so much about porn that you come to my website for fan-boy type information are beneath me. You are neither as clever, nor as handsome, nor as moral, nor as kind, as Luke F-rd. Every moment that I spend in communion with you diminishes Luke, and keeps me from achieving the great things that I know are in me.

Therefore, to make this experience palatable for me, until I achieve my big break in Hollywood or journalism (at which point in time the connection between us will of course be severed), I must insist that you acknowledge your base, inferior position relative to mine in all of your correspondence. I would thank you all in advance for complying, but then what would be the point of that?

Luke F-rd: Because I am Better than You

Luke: Chaim Amalek is not me. It is some racist schmuck who writes me. He seeks to smear my good name. If I wasn't so eager for free material, I would rarely publish him. I believe all people are made in the image of God.

Chaim, why don't you analyze this piece in the New York Times about a gay athlete coming out.

Dear Dumb Readers

Chaim writes: What's to analyze? Just more pro-sodomy jew propaganda from the jew-run New York Times. Once you have learned to figure out the religion of a journalist or a pornographer or a race traitor, the rest falls into place. --Luke F-rd

As far as that honest letter to myself that I just published, well, the truth may hurt, but so too does living in a hovel and driving an old VW microbus left over from hippie days, when all the less talented jews around me are tooling around town in shiny new Lexus or Mercedes (!) automobiles. Time I started to set things straight around my web site. --Luke F-rd, because I really AM better than all of you wankers.

Kaspar Gomez writes Luke: So, NOW your write "Chaim Amalek is not me. It is some racist schmuck who writes me. He seeks to smear my good name." OK whichisit Luke, when it suites you you say you are Chaim and when you get some heat for it you say you are not. Truth is that it is your web site and no one can make you print any damn thing unless you want to so that proves you were telling the truth the first time (for the first time) and you are that jew chaim. So why do you hide behind that name you racist? Eazy - because you not only are a racist but you are a racist PUSSY who does not have the balls to put his own name to his words. And now you say you are better than us? Bullsheeeit! I hope Christy Lake makes you her bitch!

Luke: I found Chaim amusing at first when he claimed to be me, but now I realize how damaging he is, so I must reveal the truth. Amalek is a racist who lives in Atlanta. He's also a pornographer. Another name he uses is Mike South.

Chaim Mike, why don't you analyze this: http://www.jerkoffzone.com/nomore.mpg

Chaim replies: Some of us are more discerning in the bait we will take, "Chaim." (I urge you to show that sentence to the shrink lady.)

By the way, what is more onanistic (speaking of "jerkoffzone.com") than writing letters to one's self, and attributing them to a whole cast of characters? Is it not time that I fessed up to being the one-man-show that everyone already knows I am, Chaim?

Finally, I again note that I must print some of those letters for my analyst to look over. They betoken a need for professional help, and not just in their editing.

PS Mike South was dead on in his vivisection of the liberal jewess Gloria Leonard. Believe me when I say I could not have done a better job of it myself. Now it's time I drove around Bev. Hills, and began imagining the richer, more popular Luke we could all be.

Laura writes: Concerning the NYT story of the gay athlete, you choose to lash out at the NYT for exposing a truth that you do not want to face up to and that is that the culture war is all but over, and we liberals have prevailed. When we have reached a point in time where a high school football player of all people, can come out of the closet and be accepted by his teammates, the school and the community then it is the deathknell for cultural conservatism.

Luke: I spent my afternoon lying in the 80 degree sunshine listening to highlights from Garrison Keillor's "A Prairie Home Companion." I thought about calling a girl and going to the beach, but decided instead to work and sunbake.

Luke Stops By Albumside.com

I stopped by Dokk's www.albumside.com to chat with the big porn webmasters early Friday evening, for a few minutes before the beginning of the Sabbath.

XXX: "Jeez, Luke, as soon as you started talking about the coloreds, did you see how many buttons you pushed? Khan's calling you stupid... It's so funny because porn webmasters are in the most politically incorrect business...and yet they are all so uptight about appearing insensitive to race, sexual orientation, religion, etc... They started going crazy...Retards. You were just trying to push buttons. Come in every week and antagonize them."

Session Start: Fri Apr 28 17:51:42 2000

*** Now talking in #mainstage

<heather> that's not the real Luke F-rd, please.

<l-keford1> D$, whaddya think of my andy edmond interview?

<l-keford1> Does Edmond have a big ego?

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<heather> I think we should say what we think about Luke F-rd and his bulls--- gossip sheet.

<RoseAnn> Luke!...this is YNOTmasters Friday...fun time!

<Khan> think he's a nice guy luke .. and that he'd probably not try to pump a crowd for dirt suring a relaxing show. How about you?

<DoKK> I heard he was kidnapped by aliens once, but i don't believe it!

<l-keford1> I think he was kidnapped by gay aliens

<TheJimmy> but, Dokk, did he get the infamous alien anal probe????

<RoseAnn> DoKK..I do...I believe anyone who says they were kidnapped by aliens

<Arg> whoa, l-keford1, is that the real luke, or a parody? :-)

<heather> isn't Luke F-rd himself a parody?

<heather> the couple of times I bothered to read that piece of trash, it was nothing but lies by a guy that obviously knows no one is this business.

<Khan> ok .. let's all take a second and those that are so inclined, bow and pay homage to luke and get it out of yer system

<l-keford1> Thank you very much

<l-keford1> You love me, you really love me!

<heather> I haven't had enough lactose today to bow before Luke F-rd :)

<Arg> yeah, give us some good gossip luke! hey, any idea what's up with sex.com's lawsuit from its previous owner these days? was reading your stuff from a year or so ago about it the other day.

<Dixon> Luke are you and KBYNOT homosexual lovers? hehe you write about him a lot

<l-keford1> Dixon, it is true

<tuffruff> Pushrod is great first sponser I ever used and the onluy I was ever banned from ..3 years ago dam thats 30 internet years. boy was i green then

<Arg> heather, luke has some occasional insights. i reckon a lotta blather too, but hey, it's not like he's the new york times, ya gotta take everything with a grain of salt :)

<heather> what insights? The dude knows nothing about the business at all.

<l-keford1> So, are profits, revenues heading down at moment, chiefly becuase of CCs?

<Arg> heather, i think a lot of his criticism of serge's proggy several months ago, which created a miner stir on the boards, seemed fairly on-track.

<TheJimmy> cc's is part....damm weather's gotten nice and everyone is outside trying to get the real thing instead of behind their puters wankin like they should be

<DoKK> I got very drunk at 11 yrs old, got enough of it in one shot!

<heather> pushrod is an honest man...have to admire him for that.

<l-keford1> How come serge is posting so much?

<l-keford1> I thought he was retired?

<l-keford1> we were going to write a book together, then he got silenced

<Arg> there are some legitimate criticisms to make of the industry, and it's good to have someone outside it who can make the criticisms. think the condom chronicles will ever publish an expose on net scams by big players? :)

<heather> ummmm, cause that's what serge does

<l-keford1> KB, what do you think of my andy edmond interview?

<KBsleeps> no comment

<Electra> Arg..I think the Chronicles HAS run stories on big players..perhaps you just never read it..there ARE archives though:)

<KBsleeps> Dokk we left Joe E in LA at the pool reliving Jamaica mon :-))

<Arg> i read it regularly electra! there are criticisms of some companies, personal porn comes to mind, but i mean cen seems to go untouched no matter what they do! :-)

<photo> KB you mean hittin on women he has no chance with ? <ducking>

<Arg> luke, you've of course followed nocreditcard.com and similar dial-chad-for-porn scams of late?

<Electra> Well you know ARG you have to have concrete backed up evidence to run a story like that..half truths and say sos won't do it.

<KBsleeps> Luke hear is ome scoop, me and D$ made fun of Boy George at the hotel Joe e was staying at at 3:00 am!!

<Electra> As I said ARG..corroborated evidence..at least three sources..concrete.

<Arg> luke, at&t issued a warning, i think there was an ap release...go to nocreditcard.com to see the basic scam. in a nutshell: install their "dialer", and it bills you $430+ per hour to view porn. big companies like ce were using them on exit consoles, but stopped soon after the bad press.

<KBsleeps> Luke we haven't talked in ages, let's get together next week for lunch I'll buy!

<Arg> (or rather, promoting it...i don't think they used it...and even then, i can't be sure whether htey popped it on exit, or someone who buys their exit traffic popped it)

<l-keford1> who's this heather chick?

<l-keford1> is she totally hot looking?

<RoseAnn> Luke..this heather chick is one cool lady..and dangerous :))

<Arg> luke, another interesting expose would be what the heck's up with the penis enlargement programs on the internet. i'd be curious to hear, but not $35 curious :-).

<KBsleeps> herbalhouston works better than that crap go to penispros.com and check it out

<Arg> brad shaw swears it's totally legit, i forget which proggy he runs...gethung.com? but he might talk with you luke.

<l-keford1> I notice a distinct lack of people of color in this room?

<l-keford1> Don't you guys allow in the darkies?

<TheJimmy> yeh! I got a little color Luke....been nice on the coast here lately ;)

<KBsleeps> Schvartzes Luke

<Khan> luke .. we got colors? When did this happen?

<ynotbob> lol

<ynotbob> Im blue on my screen

<TheJimmy> my penis skin is a diff color than the rest of me...does that count??

<RoseAnn> I'm no color..sorta ethereal :))

<LaughingEyes> does red count?

<Khan> luke .. we let anyone in .. after all, you're here, right?

<photo> I am a person of color

<l-keford1> Have you guys always been this bigoted?

<photo> just happens to be the color caucasian

<RoseAnn> All you guys..hold up your penises so we know you're guys!

<Roadhockey> who the f--- is this ?

<KBsleeps> Khan I see you found a new person to antagonize , hehehe:-))

<Khan> luke .. get a grip dude .. the only person who notices color in here is you

<Arg> bah, i don't buy that being the real luke.

<Khan> kb .. you know me .. they say stupid s--- and I can't resist

<photo> Heather is always willing to take a call from luke... at $3.99 a min

<Khan> kb .. didn't say he was stupid .. said he was saying stupid s--- .. big difference

<l-keford1> I realize that in the past, dear porners, i have been too hasty. I've said some things that I regretted.

<l-keford1> I want to apologize for incendiary remarks.

<RoseAnn> But Luke...won't you still do it again???

<Arg> luke, i think they were too goofy to have really insulted anyone...i'd be more interested in an explanation than an apology :-)...what was going through your head, do you really sense racism here or something?

<KBsleeps> All I know is if it weren't for Luke I wouldn't be getting laid as much... he made me an overnight celeb with the PStars

<l-keford1> Now that I've spent some quality time with you guys, I feel that I've misjudged you.

<Khan> luke .,. why do I feel my leg being tugged?

<l-keford1> Khan, I never told you that I was gay?

<RoseAnn> Luke..then how would you judge us now??

<l-keford1> I see that you are all redblooded Americans, wedded to God, country

<l-keford1> Khan, is it ok if I stroke your leg?

<heather> Luke is a champ at the banal remark.

<Khan> Luke .. my wife said you could, but only bleow the knee

<RoseAnn> Luke..nobody strokes Khan's leg but me :))))

<TiBo> I'm a New York porn negro and I've never had any troubles with anyone in the whole industry. <--- Vying to unseat Luke as king.

<l-keford1> I feel truly contrite, and if there is anyone here that I have hurt, i want to smooth the pain right now.

Joner> lukes the peter north of porn news.

Albumside webjock Dokk writes on YNOT: A very classy showing by the whole group. We had a visitor who wanted to rake up some muck.. and out of all the webmasters there.. nobody got into that mode which is a testament to their good character and exemplary behavior. You guys are all class. Max respect.