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Monday, February 21, 2000

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KEEP - Keep Erotic Entertainers Protected

Luke received a boring press release last week from Greg Zeboray about the Rob Spallone - Jim Bonura Family Medical Center. I ignored it.

I got repeated requests from Greg and Rob that I run it on my site. I replied "No because it was boring."

Then I got a screaming phone call Monday afternoon from Rob.

Rob: "I'm very upset with you. My f---ing email..."

Luke: "Oh, that really boring stuff about the Family Medical Center?"

Rob: "Boring...we're getting zillions of phone calls...from everybody wanting to sign up. Somebody just called, Rob, why don't you have it on Luke F-rd?"

Luke: "Because it's so boring."

Rob: "It's for the industry."

Luke: "I don't give a f--- about the industry. What did it ever do for Israel?"

Rob: "That's not right Luke, they're the ones who make you money. Luke, I need it for me. Top story..."

Greg Zeboray writes that the Family Medical Center wants to be the porn industry's number one HIV testing center. PCR DNA tests are now $80 each. Take eleven, get the twelfth free.

"Family PACT Program - A federally funded program that is free to those who enroll. Benefits include: Free STD Screening; Free Family Planning (including contraceptives); Free Cancer Screening... Pay for your first HIV test and the second is free. FAMILY MEDICAL CENTER 12629 Riverside Drive North Hollywood 818-487-1987"

Luke: Or you porners can also go to AIM at 818-981-5681. And don't forget to vote Republican so we can stop subsidizing the mentally and morally challenged with these giveaway programs.

Tomorrow Dr. Bonura is supposed to bring Spallone a much needed prescription for Prozac. Rob now says that he and Bo are friends.

XXXGen.com has hired Inari Vachs. Diablo1504> "Inari is the first person XXXGen hired that doesnt chat in pst."

Bo - Rob Truce

Gene Ross: "Bo of LGI's check was not only in the mail, it came on Monday, made out to Blue Light Pictures, thus ending, for all intents and purposes the cyber war between Rob Spallone and Bo and securing for him his movie The Madam. Rob Spallone phoned Monday morning."

Rob: "Bo called up [Friday afternoon] and said that he had enough. He was taking down the pictures. I told him no problem. If you want to end it, it's ended. No big deal. It don't matter to me. I said what I said. Everything he said, he made up... I was only playing softball. I could've played hardball."

Luke: "You didn't cry uncle because he was going to post pictures of you?"

Rob: "Pictures of me what?"

Luke: "With Kendra Jade?"

Rob: "How could there be pictures of me with Kendra Jade? You know I don't fool around with the girls. If he has pictures, put them up. Do I take it in the ass?"

Luke: "I don't think so."

Rob: "What I don't understand is that man Greg Vasiloff. Bo swears that he [just] made a deal with him."

Luke: "And Vasiloff swears he didn't."

Rob: "I told Bo to put us on a threeway.

"I'm going to go by Gene Ross's later and pick up the check Bo sent me. Give him the master. Then I'm going to put Bo on the phone when I'm in Gene's office."

Lou writes: Luke, answer me this. Why if this industry is so-called "adult" does everyone act like a teenager? Sheesh, these guys make my fights in 10th grade look like the Camp David negotiations. Tell these losers to grow up.

Pimp Checks In

Pimp writes: I just took a quick glance at l-keford.com. JESUS LUKE......what happened to your pledge about not trafficking in human misery any longer??? :)) I can't read that s--- Luke it is just too f---ing sad. Heard Kendra Jade on Stern a couple weeks back, doesn't she have any good friends like maybe you who could pull her out of that cesspool of human indignity called Silicone Valley? She is very engaging fairly bright and definitely attractive it's sad to see her so deep in the melting pot of human misery known as the 'industry'.

About the Net porn business, it's a disaster. Many long established Net porn people have had their lives and fortunes turned upside down by the collapse of DMR and other third party cc processors and the trouble at Epoch. So many fools in this business, people still waiting patiently for Epoch to get their s--- together.......... AINT GONNA HAPPEN LUKE! EPOCH WILL DIE........ followed by the rest of the third party processors. Don't know what Visa and Mastercard were ever thinking letting basically anonymous people some with absolutely no business experience some outright complete scammers use their programs through these third party processors. Its better for the industry anyways to cut the wheat from the chaff. The strong will survive, those with their own merchant accounts which by the way will be harder to come by.

The barriers to enter the Net porn business will finally be what they should have been all along. I lost two investors for the two niche paysites I've been developing because I was straight with them about the rough times the industry is going through right now. So I'm off to set up my own US corp and get my own merchant account. I've been designing websites for law firms more lately and while the money isn't as good as working Net porn it feels better to me.

Ok here's the real reason I wrote you today. I read a story on a webmaster hangout site called OntheRopes.com and the name in the lawsuit rang a bell with me. I had seen the name on your website, so I surfed over and searched your site. ... Jr, the guy who slapped you in public and the brother of Darren Starr right? Seems he has his own adult website operation and was stealing photo content from the newsgroups and publishing them on his paysite. Steve Easton from APics, the industry group that defends photographers copyrights on the Net sued him. Scheu lost and the judge awarded Easton over a hundred grand. Here's the whole story, I don't know if you have previously published this story or not, i couldnt find it on your site.

Cyber thieves suffered another blow, as Los Angeles lawyer David Amkraut obtained a damages award of $112,500. against a Usenet Decoder pirate website.

In EASTON v. INTERNET DATA INC., et.al., the Plaintiff sued in Los Angeles Superior Court, Plaintiff Steve Easton charged that the defendants, who operated a Usenet Decoder website under the name smutweb.com had used without permission over 100 photographs whose use rights were owned by the Plaintiff. (Models shown in photographs had assigned all rights to producer for payment).

The defendants used software to troll the Usenet, extracting the exact images and copying or transferring them to their website, which was strictly for commercial gain by selling access to these images and alike. Mr. Easton sued under California's right of publicity statute, which bars the commercial use of a persons image without prior consent, and allows recovery of $750. per misuse or actual damages, plus attorney's fees and costs.

Defendants were Internet Data Inc., DGS Entertainment Inc., (which controlled Internet data), and Dean Gill Scheu Jr., who controlled DGS Entertainment Inc. After extensive discovery, the Court granted Plaintiff s motion for summary judgment. Mr. Easton was awarded damages of $112,500 against all three defendants. He was also given permission to apply for attorney s fees. The Court found that the conduct of each of the defendants was knowing, oppressive, fraudulent, and malicious, was in conscious disregard of the Plaintiff s rights, and caused willful and malicious injury to the Plaintiff and his property. This was a crushing victory , said Plaintiff s attorney David L. Amkraut. We won on every issue.

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Ok Luke that's about it. Say hi to PSTers for me especially Zoe :)) Now that's another relatively normal bright girl who should get the hell outta porn! Here's a suggestion for l-keford.com, install a Netpond/Ynot message board for porn fans and insiders to post on........ should be fascinating reading and you won't have to deal with all the guilt if u feel any of these people hurling s--- at one another. Oh yeah, I checked out that porn star live house thing realpornworld.com, for me it just redirects me to one of Babenet's website? What's the deal? Is it open for business or was it ever?

Luke: It will be open soon.

Sex and Surrealism

Peter Hayes writes from London: The sex life of surrealist painter and artist Salvador Dali is to be explored in a new book Sex, Surrealism, Dali and Me to be published by Razor Books in the UK reports Arts Correspondent Venessa Thorpe in the London Observer.

"The book tells the story of the artist young lover Carlos Lozano.... What do Yul Brynner, Marcel Duchamps and the King of Spain have in common? The book discloses that they were all involved in sex games that Dali orchestrated for his celebrity guests which the publishers of the book describe as "warped." The memoirs, written in collaboration with British writer Clifford Thurlow, portray his one-time mentor as as a man obsessed with humilating his friends for his own entertainment and sexual gratification. He would degrade his guest by making them strip or perform minor acts of theft. Once naked they were often paired off to perform intimate acts on the floor......

"The book also describes how Yul Brynner tested himself to find out whether it was young girls or young boys that he prefered. Other names featured are the former King of Spain, artist Marcel Duchamp and Prince Dado Ruspoli, the man who was reputed to have the largest penis in Europe. Dali, however, was not perform in any such acts and did not even like being touched. One of his best known works is entitled the Great Masterbator.....

"The book states that Carlos Lozano contributed seman to one of the paint of one the artists most well known painting. Dali died in 1989, but his musuem in Torre Galatea is one of Spain's most visted galleries.... Lozano now runs a gallery in Cadaques."

Respect Our Women

Kaspar Gomez writes: I have been lurking around your web site for a number of months, eager to learn more about the business. You see, I am stumped. Like you, I live in LA. I work for a living, as do all the men and most of the women in my family. We are mostly the kind of people you never think about.

We mow your lawns, clean your offices, drive your buses, and do the s--- work lazy anglos like you don't want to do. But at the end of the day, we are still men and women, with hot latin blood that cries out for love. But it seems no one is listening. Mexican Americans are the largest group in Los Angeles, yet there is virtually no product out there for us. Other groups, it seems, control the production of erotica, and these groups like to pretend that there are no latinas in the world worth looking at.

And while I am at it, I do not ever see mention made of even the existance of Mexican Americans on your web site. THIS MUST CHANGE. Our numbers grow every day, both by immigration of our people to their northern homeland, and by the hot blood of our women. Soon, there will be so many of us here that you will not be able to ignore us any longer. But by then it will be too late for most of you. RESPECT LA RAZA!

His Holiness On Facials

His Holiness Pope John Paul II writes on RAME: Certainly, your average person (like myself) is going to prefer an internal climax in their own personal life...if not, perhaps they are watching too much porn. (Not that, as we say, there's anything wrong that that.) Not too many guys want to get right to the edge, and then pull out and masturbate to climax while aiming at their partner's face. (Okay, maybe now and then. But not every single time...) But of course, porn does not and probably can not conform to everyday rules of human behavior. The external climax, and, in particular, the facial, are telling examples of "porno logic". Neither women nor men prefer (in general) external over internal shots.

So why the overwhelming bias in porn towards the facial? Two possible reasons. First, the traditional reason: proof. An internal climax, whether oral or otherwise can be faked quite easily. An external shot is far more difficult to simulate. And possibly the viewer may be able to identify more fully with the external shot over the internal shot (given the fact that, far more often than not, his own climax will be, ah, external). A side note: in Japanese porn, the internal climax is the rule, but proof is still required, either in the form of vaginal backflow or drooling the semen from the mouth...The American version of this is the "cream pie" (also cream puff?) shot, which has failed so to catch on here as to be considered a fetish... A second possible reason may be to establish a kind of bond between the viewer and the recipient of the climax shot. The genitals are remarkably generic, particularly compared to the distinctive nature of the face. In fact, the existence of body and stunt doubles in mainstream Hollywood suggests that the most personal physical characteristic we possess is our face. Facial recognition seems to be neurologically hardwired into the brain; if you take a bad hit to the wrong part of your head, you'll wake up with aphasia, the inability to recognize facial features. In short, then, there may be a very good reason we call it a facial.

Thursdays With Rob

I spent last Thursday with Rob Spallone at his shooting house (realpornworld.com) in Sunland. I walked in to find him on the speaker phone. I taped the conversation.

XXX: "She's telling me that she's getting these threatening phone calls. It's this guy named Keith Cotton or Nico [talent manager]. He calls up every three days.."

Rob: "Right, that was him on the other line. I know Nico through Jim DiGiorgio. He f---in' went partners with Damien Michaels. Damien f---ed him around because Damien just bulls---s. And Nico was going to kill him.

"Now Damien owes me $1100 that I had lent them. The deal was that they give the landlord $3000. I gave the landlord [of the shooting house in Woodland Hills on Calderon that Rob used to lease] $3000... I said you do not get this three grand until after one year. Any damages, you take out of the three grand, or if you move out before one year... You have to pay him $3200 on the first of every month. The landlord called me on the tenth. They had only paid half the rent. I said no problem. I called up Damien. Damien, you have until the 15th to pack your stuff up and be out of the house. End of story. Or you have the other $1600 and you pay the guy...

"Damien lived there. I charged him $100 a week to live there. He never once had the $100 a week on time. He thought he could rent the house out. The house has been shot in 200 movies. It is finished. The price was $400 a day. I lowered it because I needed the help to pay some of the bills. But no, Damien wants to do what he wants to do. I say fine, but I am not going to help you again. Next time the landlord calls, I'm going to come up and take you out of the house myself.

"Yesterday they shut all the phones off because all the phones were in Nico's name. So is the electric. He's going to shut that off next. And the kid [Damien Michaels] is never going to make enough money to pay the rent. When I had that house, the first three or four months I made, maybe, two grand [a month]. Then I broke even for four months. Then I lost money every month after that because people don't want to keep shooting at the same place.

"My new business is jammed pack, booked every day.

"This kid [Nico?] happens to be a loose cannon, and a little crazy. Sunny Daze, a blonde. I shot her. He brought her to me. Now he's calling her and doing what?"

Next call.

Rob: "Listen. I got calls from two different people about this girl Sunny Daze. That this guy Nico is calling her up and threatening her. That he's going to break her legs. I said, this doesn't sound like Nico but I will mention it to him. She didn't call. I told the last guy to call me, have her call me... They're all cunts."

Luke: "What's this?"

Rob: "I'm yelling all the time. It's not good for my stress. I'm going on Prozac next week. I got no choice. All I do is yell, for no reason. I want stuff to calm me down."

Rob calls his wife: "Where are my kids? Are they still sick? Let me talk to them."

Rob calls Damien: "He [Nico] says you owe him $580 for the phone and the electric and money that he laid out for the contest. Well, straighten it out. I want $1100. Two, your electric is going off today."

Rob to Luke: "I was moving out [of the house on Calderon] and I told everyone that they had to move out. I was charging everyone $100 a week to live there. He [Damien Michaels] moved in his girlfriend. I didn't charge her $100 a week. Then he didn't pay... The house was $3200 a month for just rent, not including phone, electric... We gave him two months. He didn't even make it the first month and the landlord wants to throw him out. Stupid. If it was making money, why would I have left?"

I meet Frank Thring who tells me about his new series for LFP.

Frank: "It's nasty. It's got pissing in it. It's got lots of anal. We'll start of shooting in Eastern Europe, Southern California and Venezuela."

Rob: "You get to shoot new girls. "

Frank: "All the time."

Rob: "We get to shoot the same girls over and over again."

Frank: "What bugs me... I don't know how you handle this. But US girls are obsessed over, 'who's the boy?' Can I use my boyfriend? It drives me nuts."

Rob: "Yeah, even today. I was paying her her rate and they were complaining about doing it outside. Hey, I'm paying you your rate. I'm shooting the movie. That's what I need. I'm not making you shoot outside because I am a scumbag."

Frank: "I am an old fashioned director. I say to a girl, I'm happy to pay you what you want. This is the scene. I want it this way. I decide who you work with. If you don't like the guy so much, then act. That's what the bloody job is about.

"I've never known a girl in Europe say 'who's the boy?' We don't stand for that kind of nonsense.

"I've been shooting video for 17 years. I began shooting for Electric Blue in Britain... The first X-rated I did was in 1987 for VCA. 'Blame It On The Heat,' which was considered a classic (a feature starring Tracey Adams before she got too fat) for a few years until other movies superceded it. Then I shot for In-Tropics and various companies then I shot Anal Academy for Private. I've shot about 250 scenes for them...

"I shoot the Pirate series for Private. It's dressed up sex, silk, stockings and heels with a little bit of whipping. I'd like to put more of that in, and I do, but they edit it out.

"You just mentioned Gloria Leonard. Gloria is difficult. They ask Gloria, back in Barcelona [the headquarters of Private], what is acceptable in America and she always plays it incredibly conservatively. I see a lot of companies getting away with a lot more. I see Andrew Blake getting away with a lot more. Private only does the one edit, which I think is a mistake. They don't edit for the different markets. Naturally, they go for the more conservative edit instead of being a bit wilder for Germany... People see a Private tape and think 'I bet it is nastier if I get it in Europe.' It's not.

"That doesn't mean that we don't sometime shoot it. If a scene is going well... I know Woodman has shot the odd pissing scene. I've shot all kinds of things going inside girls' pussies and arses. If a girl wants to do it and the scene is just going that way. Let if flow... But they tend to cut stuff out. And she has an obsession about guys and girls tied up. Apparently, in America, you can never have sex with a person tied up.

"This seems to be nonsense to me in a sex fetish movie where sometimes three girls abusing a guy is perverse and hot sex... I'm not into rape at all. Pierre Woodman likes the dominant male. He likes rape scenes. His famous movie The Tower lost 45 minutes in the States because he had two very strong rape scenes... The scene was just a normal sex scene but because it had aggressive sex, it was genuine rape, then they cut them out. I think even the beginning was altered in America because his famous beginning is an eye opener. The couple have sex on the terrace... Then he strangles her and throws her over. Which, for American audiences, a bit much.

"I'd sooner have three girls on one guy than three guys on one girl. I tend to not shoot that kind of sex. I'm more famous for introducing the facial cumshot to Private... I've always felt that if a guy is going to cum anywhere it should be in the face. I've never done it anywhere else in over a thousand sex scenes.

"So in America at the moment I have 'Eurobabes' for Metro, my 'Double Anal Club' for Xplor Media, possibly a new Hustler series, a Pirate series for Private, and Stacked with Pleasure. And a new one which is in this month's AVN and gets four stars, is 'Euro Gangbangers' which is a new idea. We try to make each gangbang a story, so that the characters slowly come in and do the girl, and they don't all leap on her at once. And there's three gangbangs in one program, each a little story in itself. I think it is a much more interesting way of doing it, rather than 'here's the bitch, and let's all do her together.'

"I will in due course have my own website... At one stage I was going to do it in connection with Sylvia Saint, but Sylvia is going to set up her own website just for her, because I think she is slowly going out of the business. And will concentrate on the web, like many girls...

"I'd be interested to know if any fans out there like the Pirate series and if so, what they like about it? I'm very self-critical because it can be criticized as vanilla sex, in the sense that it is lush. It's Betacam, it's glossy. It's silk stockings and strong makeup... But sometimes I think we get it right. If they'd like to see it stronger, tell them it is because I don't cut it. Private does. We're now up to Volume 16.

"The first 12 were basically loops. Each scene was a fetish in itself. But since number 12 they have become feature movies in themselves. My next one is called 'The Club'. Shot in Prague, it's about a guy who meets a mysterious lady on the street and follows her to a very kinky fetish club and slowly gets drawn into a world of fetishism until the end he becomes her slave."

Luke: "In America they divide between fetish and regular hardcore tapes. This goes with regular tapes."

Frank: "I think that is a mistake. I had this bitter dispute, in the sense of two letters, with AVN. I wrote a private letter to Mark Logan, not for publication, saying that he'd criticized one of my programs for the wrong reason. I felt that he didn't understand what I was trying to do. He then published that without my permission... Then Mark Logan then used that letter to jump off onto his own pet worries. One of which seemed to be that he thought that fetish stuff should be stronger. He quoted the Pain series from Holland Germany as an example of the way the industry should go. Well, short of being a snuff movie, you can't go any stronger than Pain.

"Well, if he gets off on watching blood run down ladies bodies and seeing 2000 needles in her vagina, I'm delighted for him. But that isn't what Pirate's about, that isn't what Private's about and it isn't what I'm about. And in any event, I'd call that an S&M movie, not a true fetish movie.

"I then put in a letter saying that as far as I understood it, many fetishists do not like to see hardcore sex mixed with their subject. He disagreed... I never replied to him, but my information came from Dian Hanson, who edits Leg Show magazine, and her readers constantly write in that they do not like to see, necessarily, for example... If a guy is worshipping a girl's foot, they don't then want to see that guy stick it in...

"I thought 'Screw you AVN.' Because they then said that your stuff looks very nice, looks lovely, but it is still vanilla sex. Well, I reviewed after that, all my movies, and I still think there is a lot of material in there for a fetishist to get off. We try, with slow loving angles up the legs, silk stockings, we try to make it exciting for them. Of course I have to put the f---ing in. Of course for Private I have to put the anal in, and they get a facial cumshot. And if a sex scene is going to last 15 minutes, you're only going to have so much space... Mark Logan can talk about editorial control...but when you're controlled by a big video company, they have a way that they want their movies to look. And you have look within their conventions.

"The [main] market for Pirate is in Germany... It's a huge seller there. The Germans always like a big of kinky sex, particularly if it has thigh boots on.

"I'd also like to know if the fans would like to see Pirate and Private go stronger. In the United States there is this move to do more pissing. Hustler especially is getting into water sports. And now they are getting into water sports on people. Peeing on the face... Do the fans like that?

"I'm probably the last human being not to have a computer. But I will get one and get on to the web in the next few months.

"I shot two Pirate movies in Melbourne... Your [Australia] Immigration are so tricky. It got farcical in the end. I planned to take the best looking bunch of Hungarian girls that I had ever put together for a movie [in 1998]. Unfortunately your Immigration policies have now changed at embassies around the world. They now require three weeks to clear foreigners... It used to be just a day... We got every bit of information we could for these girls...

"And the good ol' Australian government kept us waiting for three weeks and then rejected everybody for different reasons. They maintained that these girls were going to try to find husbands down there...

"I was then left with no one to take. Within a day, I managed to find three nice girls out of London. They of course get an automatic visa. It seems that any citizen under 30 gets immediately pounced on by Australian customs. To the point where they check your toothpaste. In the end, they took two of the three girls, and interviewed them. And the girls had been told by me not to take any kinky lingerie, any high heels, anything that might possibly mislead immigration. But they both had, quite rightly, their AIDS tests with them. This upset immigration very much, that people might be going around the world with AIDS tests. And these two girls got put back on the next plane for a lovely 60-hour flight back to Britain.

"And I was left in Australia with one girl to do a movie and four horny Hungarian boys. Luckily, in South Australia at least, prostitution is legal. So I had to go around the bordellos and find three or four girls who were willing to work. And I had to teach them how to work in front of a camera.

"I hope New Zealand is more kind to us."

Luke: "Do you shoot gay porn?"

Frank: "Not at all. I have no desire to. In all my years, I've seen just about everything you can witness...including animal sex. But the one thing that still shocks me most is watching guys do one another. For some reason, it seems so odd to me. It throws me off balance. I can't get used to it. When I look at men with men, even in West Hollywood where they walk around in public holding hands and kissing, I just find it strange. I want to laugh at it or giggle or just put my hand on my mouth in shock."

Luke: "How do the women feel, those who do these rape scenes for Pierre Woodman?"

Frank: "I just worked with an American girl who'd come back from Italy. And she said, 'I did a great scene in Italy. It was a rape scene. The guys abused me. They threw me down on the sand. My hair was all dirty. And they just held me down and f---ed me. And I loved it. I can never do this in America.' To be that wild and dramatic and realistic. I think some girls can get off on macho sex. Personally, I don't like shooting it, particularly if there is any chance of hurting the girl. But if you discuss it with the model, and she's willing to do it, it's entirely up to her.

"Obviously you know better than me about this recent stuff about Rough Sex and Anabolic. I think strong sex is acceptable if the girl is willing to do it. The trouble with Rough Sex is that if every scene is like that, and you have a whole tape of girls having their heads thrust down toilets, or crawling across the floor, or whipped hard, it's just focusing the mind on that one action. If you're telling a feature story that happens to involve a character getting raped, than that is different."

Luke: "I sometimes feel sorry for those girls in the Private productions."

Frank: "In what way? I've never noticed a Private girl getting knocked around. It is much less hard than that of Christoph [Clark, for Evil Angel in America], with his four fingers in the arse, opening it up. It's fine. I'm sure the girls don't mind. He pays them well. He's a charming man and a good stud. But I would've thought that physically that is more abusive and dangerous than one cock in a good strong f---.

"Pierre likes to control the scene and everybody in the scene. A criticism of Pierre Woodman movies is that they look beautiful but the sex is cold. I like to be an uncle figure to the girls and to my team. And I like to think that they are happy doing the sex, and I think that sometimes comes over...

"In my 18-year career, I only had one girl who cried on camera. And I stopped the scene. She also came from Pierre Woodman. I was very unhappy that she seemed uncomfortable.

"For a time Pierre used girls from Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. They claim to be Russian. His wife [Tanya Russoff] claims to be Russian but she's not. She's Lithuanian. Pierre had two agencies up there that worked with him and they were basically fashion agencies, which was why the girls were so beautiful. What he tended to do was to take them to places like Bali, and then, when they were there, he'd say, 'I can't do much fashion work with you. But we have a movie to shoot, and I think you better do it, because how are you going to get home otherwise?' So they would do the scenes. That's a kind of coercion and I'm not into that.

"But many of them enjoyed the work and they certainly enjoyed the money. But there was this one particular girl who'd gone on the Bali movie that he did. And then she was encouraged to come down to Cannes for the film festival. She was told it was just for publicity. She came down and was told that while she was there she had to do at least one sex scene. Pierre had shot her and they [Private] wanted me to use her. She cried as soon as the scene started and I stopped it because I couldn't handle it. It made me uncomfortable but he seems to be able to cope with that.

"His latest thing is to advertise in Eastern Europe for girls to come to Paris for fashion work. And he picks out the really pretty ones. And they end up in Paris. And he says, 'You're beautiful and I'd love to shoot you, but you're not quite tall enough for fashion. However, I do have this X-rated stuff to do and it pays very good, and would you like to do that?' And eight out of ten say yes. Then they go do it and take the consequence and take the money. And the ones who say no are allowed to go home. There is no coercion in that case.

"But it is a cunning way of doing it. I'd much prefer to go straight to an agent who specializes in X-rated and say 'Do you have any new girls?' I do not want a girl turning up and feeling uncomfortable around my set. It doesn't seem to worry him. And that way he's managed to find some stunning girls who are exclusive to him. I just don't think it is a good practice.

"His other thing of course is his famous method of getting them ready for a scene, which a lot of girls object to... Some girls walk off the set. He uses this special cream he gets in France which numbs the asshole, thus he feels he gets a better anal scene because they can take a good pounding. He believes it is more comfortable for the girls and it gives him 30 minutes to work his fingers up their ass. I don't have the time for that. I'm no angel. I've done the odd blowjob scene and a very occassional sex scene in my films and I also date the girls occassionally. But they don't have to f--- me to work with me. And they don't have to have my fingers up their ass for 30 minutes just to work with me. And with him they most certainly do. Of course, his Casting Call series shows this well.

"I am possibly his biggest fan of his movies and especially of his stills. I really like his photo stills for Private photo magazine over the years... However as a human being, I think he's the biggest piece of s--- on the face of the planet. Our rivalry is legendary. I don't think he'd say the same thing about me when it comes to movies because he's so arrogant.

"Since The Pyramid, I think he has gone downhill fast. And I was not the biggest fan of Tatianna.

"Pierre is going to be shooting a lot for Hustler and stopping work for Private over the next two years. And his exact words to me at the show in Las Vegas was that 'Private are a bunch of s---s.'"

Luke: "What happened?"

Frank: "Because slowly he has been given less and less work and smaller and smaller budgets. Indeed, this has been a new policy of Private, to reduce budgets and see where the wastage was. Because I think Mr. Woodman has made himself rich on the back of Private. And he'd reached a point where he was paid per photo set. According to how many he delivered. Of course to Pierre it was an advantage to deliver 60 photo sets and get paid a $250,000 rather than deliver two or three... He'd be constantly told, 'We don't need more than five,' and he'd constantly come back with twenty. Partly because he's a workaholic... He was becoming the Pierre Woodman company and they disliked that intensely and they slowly managed to weed him out of that. He of course has missed making so much money and is delighted to have done a deal with Hustler to shoot stills and video for them. This in turn has upset Berthe Milton very much. Because Pierre is under contract..."

Luke: "How would you describe Berthe Milton?"

Frank: "Berthe is a brilliant businessman, although some of that is due to luck. He's extremely shy and introverted. He'd probably agree that his biggest weakness is a lack of communication and trust. He's been hurt many times in the past, going back to his father, who hardly had a lot of time for his son. And left him a rather lonely child. And if you're a lonely child, you grow up a little bit cold and emotionally scarred by it. He thus doesn't trust those around him and many times has been badly hurt by the people he thought he could trust, letting him down. It's made him a bit paranoid.

"His business sense is brilliant. He admits he could be selling tomatos or potatos. It doesn't have to be porn. He was a stockbroker before he got into this business. He was lucky that his father had so many international contacts for his Private photo magazine. And Berthe has built on that brilliantly.

"He's not an easy man to get close to. Now he has so many interests...that the video and magazine sides are just one part of Private. And all of us who used to see him a lot don't see him very much. And he's happy with that, to leave it to general managers and other people.

"The man who keeps the video and magazine side rolling along is a shadowy figure, but an important one. Javier Sanchez. Twenty years ago, he was the Art Director for Private photo magazine.

"My own problem with Private is that they love new ideas. Which is a good thing on the one hand and a bad thing on the other. Because most video companies, if you give them good movies, they constantly are happy with you. Stick your name out there, reward you, give you more work, build you up... Private is always tempted by the latest new idea or innovation. Thus currently, Antonio Adamo, their new director... Antonio came from nowhere. They made a deal with Penthouse and they are giving him the Penthouse movies to shoot. They're getting good reviews in Europe but so far average marks here. I think there's a big risk in giving it all to a new director.

"That may sound like sour grapes but it isn't. It's simply that if you've been with them a long time, they don't say 'Let's give you a ton of work.' They're always looking for the latest director, latest new trend, latest technology... And that makes you nervous about giving your total loyalty to Private, because you never know from one month to the next whether you are the flavor of the month or not. And everybody who works for the company laughs, because you're in favor one month and out of favor the next.

"Whereas in America, if you make classy movies, most video companies will pat you on the back and build up the old ego. With Private, don't ever expect any ego building..."

Luke: "How has the company changed since going public?"

Frank: "It has changed a lot. I liked the old days in Stockholm when it was just Bert and a handful of people in the office... Morton Hagen, who was the sales manager... Aside from them, I've seen everybody in the company get fired or change, which shows you how well they keep their staff. People just seem to come and go. Private is probably the worst company I've ever met just communicating with themselves. They love the latest gimmicks. They have faxes, emails, mobile phones and every piece of communication equipment known to man but nobody in the company ever talks to one another.

"So, for example, as in last year, I can easily find myself planning stuff for the Cannes Film Festival and finding that the publicity manager wasn't talking to the marketing manager who wasn't talking to the general manager. I don't know what Bert knew. No one person seems to coordinate or keep everybody in touch. They all seem to do their own thing. They've gotten so big now they don't think to tell the person in the office next door.

"I like the old days better. The budgets were larger then... Sometimes it was useful and sometimes they wasted money badly as Berthe knows."

Luke: "They spent a million dollars on Operation Sex Siege?"

Frank: "The famous fauxpas...which rates as the most expensive sex film every made...at anything from one-and-a-half to five million dollars, depending on who you want to believe. The reason was that the head of production, Peter Backman, who was with Private from their third movie on until then... Peter was obsessed with ships, with a bit of Spieldbergian complex... He convinced Berthe that they could buy a ship, fit it out and take it around all the major ports of Europe, getting the other major video companies to come on board, thus paying the costs of the ship. They could take 40-50 girls, and move into each port around Europe, and have a good marketing exercise.

"It sounded great in theory but in practice they bought an old rotting hulk of a ferry at short notice before the Cannes Film Festival and as soon as the other video companies looked at it, they said, 'We're not taking space on this thing.' And they wanted their money back. That left Private to go ahead.

"Then they discovered that if you don't, in advance, get authority to enter different ports around the world, you cannot enter. Plus the fact, that in some cases such as Cannes, the ship was too big to get into the harbor anyway. So you had to get the press in little boats to come out to visit the ship.

"Another problem is feeding people on a big ship... They didn't think all of us this through. Peter also had a habit of telling Berthe that everything was great, when in fact it wasn't quite so rosy. Ibetha (Mediterranean island, part of Spain) turned them down. The port of Amsterdam refused to admit it. Cannes kicked them out...

"They pulled off the movie. Nic Cramer shot it. They wasted money there. It was shot American style. They ordered 25 HMI lights and never used more than six on any single day. They cost about $250 a day to rent... It took a year to edit... In the end they had to sell the ship off at a loss.

"Since then, Berthe fired Peter Backman and tightened up the company."

Frank says that until 1990, most porn girls came from France or Germany. Since then, Hungary.

Frank: "The Hungarian girls have a different attitude to porn, which some people like... They seem to have the attitude that you eat, you sleep, you s--- and you f---. It's just something you have to do in life and it is nothing to get worked up about. So they don't give you the passion of a French or Italian girl, but equally they don't give you the passion or emotion or hysterics of a French girl, who, if she had an argument with her boyfriend the night before, gives you a difficult scene. Or she could give you a great scene. They're just very placid, very unbothered by things. Just get on and do it."

Steve Neece wriets: Damn ! The gaybashing keeps right on ! Now Frank Thring gets his twopence worth in . What a sad piece of crap ! Guess he didn't have the opportunity of an upper crust British boys school education where sodomy was part of the curriculum . Maybe he & Mr. Marcus should get together and he can be cured of this aversion . Luke, you have an ethics rating chart;why not start another one for homophobes ? Five stars will be for raving homophobes like XXX. Thring is probably 3 stars . How about it . Do you have the spine ?

Luke: I don't believe there is such a thing as "homophobia." Yes, many men, including myself, are distinctly uncomfortable, even revolted by male-to-male sex. Homosexuality is a sin, a sickness and a perversion. 'Homophobia' is a made up term.

Down below on the basketball court, last Thursday afternoon, director James DiGiorgio throws a fit. He's just shot a facial cumshot at the end of Matt Jade - Caroline Cage's scene. Then Jim remembered he was shooting for VCA and they don't use cumshots. So he stamps around the court cursing as Caroline spits out Matt's cum.

Jim instructs Matt on how to fake a cumshot on Caroline's breasts using hand lotion.

The April, 2000 issue of Hustler Erotic Video Guide features a friendly interview with French director Pierre Woodman, who's become synonymous with Private. He'll soon be shooting for the video division of HEVG's parent company, Larry Flynt Publications.

Pierre says he left school at age 15. His first job, at age 18, was as a porn actor. From age 19-23 he worked as a policeman. Then he shot stills for French television. Pierre shot fashion models for Maxi and Marie France magazines before returning to porn. In 1989, he helped start Hot D'Or magazine. In 1990 he began shooting stills for Private magazine. "...[A]fter my first movies in '93, I was immediately a big success. Since then, I was the first European director to get awards in Las Vegas in '93..." (HEVG)

Michael Ricaud was Private's top director until 1994 when he drowned while shooting a feature in the Seychelles for Private. He was standing on a rock with Pierre, overlooking the scene, when a wave knocked him over. Woodman is widely suspected of pushing Ricaud to his death though Pierre strongly denies this. Whatever happened, after Michael's death, Woodman became Private's leading director.

Porn Stars Wanted For Interviews

Charlierrn@aol.com writes: I am an American DJ living in london and would like to know if any pornstars would like to be on my radio show in the UK. You can check out the website on www.rrn.clara.net Please put the word out and get back to me at charlierrn@aol.com it would be great to have some interviews and the press would be good for the actors because we broadcast all over the world!

Matt writes: My name is Matthew Ashley, I am a Photography student at the Bournemouth Arts Institute England. I have been writing scripts for a few years now and I am finding it difficult to get information about agents who will represent scriptwriters in the adult industry. Could you send me any information that would help me out. Thanks a lot.

Luke: There aren't any.

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Tom Araya / Slayer If you're down with pentagrams and Satan, then not only is Tom for you, but he's got a big cock to boot. Tom is about 7 inches, loves to f--- and is not selfish at all!

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Dyanna Lauren is universally liked and respected. She's smart and courteous and she writes: It's finally here...My New Site www.dyannalauren.com "Sex with Rhythm". I have spent the last few months going through my old site. During this time I got feedback about your likes and dislikes. I took this feedback and applied it to my new site. In my new site I added a free section, a place where you can get to know a little about me, take a look at some revealing pictures, see my Pic Of The Week, and buy all the movies I have made throughout the years. In addition, I've also added a schedule so that you can check up on me and see when I'm coming to your area to dance or for an appearance.

If that's not enough, in my member's area, I've added lots of new photos. There is a section for photos of me dancing on stage, and an archive area. Since I have been directing for Vivid I have had access to cute new girls in the business. I regularly take pictures of these girls so that you can enjoy them on my site. Along with the new steamy photos, you also get a chance to chat one on one with me in my chatroom. Where some of the other Vivid Girls have also been known to stop by and chat. In addition to my chatroom, soon I will be doing live masturbation shows exclusively on my site. You better keep one hand free, because you will never know what I have in store for you. I also added Dyanna's Personal Shop. You can purchase my movies, DVD's, and 8x10s that are only available through my site or Fan Club. You can also find my personal toys, panties and stockings worn by me, my Penthouse Magazine Layouts, and I will shoot custom photos for you made to order. You tell me how you want me to pose, and I will shoot it! This is the only place you can buy my merchandise with it signed personally to you.

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<Hankie> word from inside LPD [Lou Peraino Duplication, Lou Jr being the son Butchie Peraino, producer of Deep Throat]...again they have no tape stock...also while talking I think Elegant Angel called asking about an order that is late...do some follow up...dunno WHY but LP appears to be in trouble...routine delays in duplicating are now 1-2 months

<Hankie> OK luke...yer turn why DOES Spallone care whether or not Bo and CV struck a deal? Does CV have to ask Spallones permission?

<Hankie> Is it a play on the old idea that he who controls the pussy controls the company

<l-keford1> No, kendra consults with Rob

<Hankie> um hmmm I bet she does

<Hankie> Lou seems Ok to deal with but something is wrong over there

<Hankie> he has always delivered on time till recently

<Professor> I wanted you to know that you're the first journalist who's ever quoted me accurately. Thanks.

<l-keford1> i'm reading THE TRUST about nytimes

<Professor> what do you think?

<l-keford1> ok

<Professor> what have you learned?

<l-keford1> i liked the nytimes article on salon.com

<Professor> I haven't seen that article, but two of my colleagues recommended it

<l-keford1> jsut got off the phone with a reporter from laweekly

<l-keford1> her editor wanted her to get hard numbers on the size of the porn industry etc

<Professor> how do you handle calls like that?

<l-keford1> so i sent her to teh offical sources like AVN which will give her number

<l-keford1> but this is still such an underworld place that all these numbers are just guesses

<l-keford1> but media loves "official numbers" from official groups like avn or the fsc

<Professor> it's interesting that you're the source they go to--instead of to the actual sources

<Professor> what's lawweekly doing...a story on the insider trading thing?

<l-keford1> on ebay

<Professor> what's the link to porn?

<l-keford1> i am a rare person who can connect them to the industry and still speak their language and journ mores

<l-keford1> ebay and porn is the article

<l-keford1> ebay has a huge redlight district

<Professor> I didn't realize that....that's interesting....how do you access it?

<l-keford1> ebay.com

<Professor> yeah, but once I'm in ebay, how do I find the red light district?

<l-keford1> type in porn? dunno, never been

<Professor> what did you think of Rolling Stone's piece on the industry? (I wasn't reading your site then.)

<l-keford1> the ian gittler excerpt?

<l-keford1> terrific terrific

<Professor> you thought is was fair?

<l-keford1> yes

<Professor> did it exaggerate?

<l-keford1> no

<l-keford1> people who come in and leave have an advantage, they can give full expression to their thoughts adn feelings

<l-keford1> while those who stay on the beat must keep sources, etc

Lynne: An advantage over you? Their viewpoints are of necessity static while yours is organic. You will leave porn some day, and then that book can be written. Your acknowledgement of the importance of not burning your bridges is a measure of how much you've grown as a person.

<Professor> that's a good point

<Professor> so is that the story you would have written--if you had the freedom?

<l-keford1> y

<l-keford1> i say similar stuff, i have much of that freedom,

<l-keford1> just don't write as well and as sensitively as gittler

<Professor> who would you say are the most tragic figures in porn? Glitter seemed to think Debi Diamond.

<l-keford1> also, feelings are not what my site is mainly about

<l-keford1> my site is mainly information and verbatim quotes from people

<l-keford1> few people read me for my feelings

<Professor> right, but those quotes have import....they certainly have feelings

<l-keford1> Yes that is true,

<l-keford1> i serve more as a voice for others, for those too stupid to write their stuff out

Lynne: Elitist jerk -- treasure your special skills, don't ridicule others for not being so able.

<Professor> but if you're printing their messages, then they've written them out

<Professor> you serve more as a collection site, no?

<l-keford1> yes, i transcribe their stuff and find it out and push them into delivering it

<Professor> granted, there's sifting that you have to go through...selection, apportioning, etc.

<l-keford1> Porners have been spun around by the net, by the speed that information is now disseminated

Lynne: Don't single out "porners" as if the rest of the world is keeping up with this just fine -- technology is whacking everyone a bit right now. You and I can't keep up with each other at light speed -- what do you expect from the rest of them?

<l-keford1> porn has become much less civil, more contentious and hot headed and anyone can be heard throughout the industry now

Lynne: As opposed to when? Last year? Used to be Russell belched and everyone heard it. Things are faster and a new generation and new technology are taking over, but porn is the same old bulls---.

<Professor> why do you do it?

<l-keford1> There would be no geneross.com except for me, and talking blue and other industry sites have become much more hard edged

<l-keford1> and dedicated to quoting folks verbatim, in all their ugliness

<l-keford1> Easiest way for me to meet my needs - financial, attention, freedom

<Professor> why is it a good thing that people are quoted "in all their ugliness"? Why is that an evolution?

<l-keford1> I am not saying it is a good thing

<l-keford1> It may be, may not

<l-keford1> it's created a less civil atmosphere

<l-keford1> I think it creates a more accurate impression of porners and porn

Lynne: I guess this is the place to break in to remind you of your antecedents in "reader written porn," which is why I wanted to spend my recreational time looking at this conversation... You forget that what you do is not new, it is the format that is new and which lends itself so perfectly to mass expression. You call yourself a Republican, and I tease you and call you an elitist, but you don't position yourself as an editorial hierarchy. You let people speak and are willing on occasion to augment their literacy skills if you so desire. The people's forum is a democratic process. Being in the position to give anyone's viewpoint a chance for equal exposure is precious. I was taught that free speech is powerful and that free sexual speech is very powerful and that people deserve a change to be heard even if their syntax isn't perfect and their views are unusual. The reader written aspect of it doesn't make it "less civil" except as we judge the power of an emotive piece by someone's writing skills.

<Professor> that's probably true, but at the same time, it seems to be self-perpetuating

<l-keford1> Friday was making me nervous, with Rob and Bo revealing the others home phone numbers

<Professor> I didn't see Friday's site...I was away...but yeah, that's crossing a line

<l-keford1> Not sure it is self perpetuating, because people get burned and are much more cautious about speaking out

<l-keford1> Confrontations escalate in an intense and immediate and dangerous way thanks to me and the net

<l-keford1> I'm scared that someone is going to get hurt

Lynne: That's because you are a weinie. Marginal people in porno have been threatening one another since long before there was an Internet, or even a Luke F-rd! The San Fernando Valley is a very small place! The people who bluster the loudest, with all the stupid violent talk, are the least likely to hurt anyone. I can see fights starting out because of wht was supposedly said on Luke F-rd, in which case it wouldn't be your fault because, as often as you quote someone inaccurately, you yourself are misquoted tenfold.

<l-keford1> that possibility is the price of giving porners an open mike to the world

<Professor> that's a legitimate fear, I'd say, and you'll have to shoulder some of the blame, no?

<l-keford1> yes

<Professor> then given the potential for tragedy here, why do it? why does the industry need an open mike like this?

<l-keford1> I make many judgement calls, and consequently go much easier on those I see as fragile (talent) and much tougher on owners

<l-keford1> The needs of the industry are of no concern to me, the industry can sodomize itself into destruction

<Professor> but you help to perpetuate the industry

<l-keford1> I make a judgement call that more good overall is done by revealing porn

<l-keford1> the more revelation about porn and porners and better is my inclination

<l-keford1> shine a light on the wriggling critters under the rock

<Professor> but you're one now

<Professor> no?

<l-keford1> true, i give up some objectivity for access, and take on many of the traits of my subjects

<l-keford1> I'm in halfway and swing back and forth

Lynne: I disagree completely. You are not one, nor am I, and you are especially cynical because you are embarassed over how much joy porn once brought you.

<Professor> it's hard to be in halfway, though I get what you're saying.....if you're sincere, though, I don't understand why you don't just walk away and find another line of work (journ related, perhaps)

<Professor> and I do believe you're sincere...don't get me wrong

<l-keford1> Because this is a good gig, and meets many of my needs, more effectively than any alternative I know of

<l-keford1> i have no boss and tremendous freedom...the main price is that I have to spent a lot of time in the sewer

Lynne: Because it is fun compared to a lot of things and the sewer is a moral sewer rather than a stinky physical one. Because you spent years masturbating to porn and it made your dick hard and that felt good, only who could you have trusted who could have explained it to you?

<Professor> but there's also the price of knowing that you've hurt others somehow....releasing names, phone #s, etc.

<l-keford1> I don't care about releasing real names

<l-keford1> phone #s very very rarely

<l-keford1> yeah but you're essentially right

<Professor> I know...but perhaps you should....by what journalistic standard do you justify releasing the names of porn stars?

<l-keford1> I do lots of good and lots of bad and just try to tilt towards good

<l-keford1> the journalistic standard is that there is no other group that we protect that way

<l-keford1> except female rape victims

Lynne: Minors accused of crimes have their names withheld; anonymous sources, people in Witness Protection Programs...lots of reasons why journalists don't print legal names as a matter of course. People's horror at your printing legal names is partially a leftover from when porno was an illicit business. Obviously, pseudonyms were wise not only to protect one from embarrassment but also from prosecution and your sharing this info was like the L.A. Free Press printing the names and addresses of narcotics undercover officers in the sixties. The cops were NOT happy. But there's a big difference in identifying a political enemy who's trying to throw you in jail and vilifying some woman who happened to spend a few years earning a living as a sex worker. Hopefully no real damage was done because of the information you printed, but I also would hope you would think twice now. Why not print David's name and address just for the hell of it?

<Professor> perhaps they're worthy of protection

<Professor> both groups

<l-keford1> Tom Cruise et all, we reveal their real names

<Professor> I want you to justify ethically the act of revealing names of porn stars...regardless of precedent...why do I need to know these names?

Lynne: In his quest for perfect spiritual intimacy, Luke forgets that some people can bare their souls to the world and others can bear their bodies but not necessarily vice versa. Luke can share the details of pubescent emotional crises with casual strangers and really doesn't understand why someone else would consider a trivial little matter like a birth name to be private. There is no ethical journalistic need to know the private names of anyone, sex performers or otherwise, just for the trivia value without a news story attached. You didn't have this thought out ahead of time -- it never occurred to you there could be legitimate objections. Or did it, and were you malicious? There is no journalistic ethic requiring the names to be withheld or released, just a moral one. As you now point out, maintaining your sources has become more important than it might once have been. I think you are spinning about, casting for an excuse rather than a justification.

I use my real name and always have. Parliament punished me once for it. Russ had to put his real name on all VCA boxes over the labeling act. But Luke, Lynne is different than her slut alter ego Diana Roth, the occasional video performer -- she's another person and I do try to keep her far, far away from you!

Do you think that because you use your real name, you must pay a price? Do you set yourself up to pay one by assuming not another name but another identity which is deliberately incompatible with your interest in porn?

<l-keford1> Nah, they are voluntarily doing the most public deeds imaginable and at the same time wanting the most privacy protection

<l-keford1> Because I don't trust people who think they can live anonymously, i want everyone held accountable for their deeds

<l-keford1> Let people know that they will be accountable, that they can't hide under fake names

<Professor> what makes you think they aren't accountable now?

<Professor> accountable to whom?

<l-keford1> I watch them twist in and out of their porn identities, assuming whichever identity maximizes the things they want

<l-keford1> btwn real name and porn name, they want the fame and glory of porn star but not the price

<l-keford1> These people live in Peter Pan land, the secrets of porno have largely been kept until me

<l-keford1> porners knew they could live their lives undisturbed, with buried secrets

<Professor> how much fame and glory are we talking about, though....they're stigmatized by porn, aren't they (it's their choice, of course)....can't we argue they suffer...you said Glitter is accurate

<l-keford1> true

<Professor> that story suggests they're all crying out for help....drug-addicted....starving for attention....if I believe what he writes, they're all pretty f---ed up

<l-keford1> true largely but not all

<l-keford1> it's more that they want the easy way out, have no discp, character

<Professor> isn't printing their name insult to injury? can porn fans be trusted to use the information you provide appropriately? As I said before, who do you want these girls accountable to?

<l-keford1> hookers, want $$ the easy way

<l-keford1> I want all porners to realize that they can't hide what they do

<l-keford1> Accountable to the larger society

<Professor> I guess I'm challenging your assumption...why do you think they're not accountable?

<l-keford1> If they can proudly walk into society as porn stars then do it, if they can't do that, then don't do porn

<l-keford1> Because of the way they scream when I reveal their real names

<l-keford1> Those who are most comfortable with what they are doing, are most likely to be comfortable with publishing of their real names

<l-keford1> If someone truly stands behind his work, he doesn't mind putting his name behind it

<l-keford1> I think they're not accountable because i see them as hooker like, trying to get something for nothing

<l-keford1> i see fraud and malfeasance almost as a porn way of life

<Professor> again, it seems to me that they pay

<l-keford1> They do pay, but let them see more clearly that they can't hide under a moniker

<l-keford1> If these people were to become newsworthy in the mainstream sense, then they always have their real names revealed

<l-keford1> Mainstream always does it to them when they get significant mainstream exposure - like traci lords, ron jeremy

<l-keford1> any serious mainstream profile of a porner will regard their real name as an integral part of the story