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Rebuttal & In Defense Of Sandy Hook Shooting Med Examiner

 

NL- Interesting points. Thanks for writing PC

A Defense of Dr Wayne Carver II regarding the Newtown mass shooting: by Paperchase

 
Jeremy Steele, partly using James F. Tracy as his source, has just figuratively dumped a whole bucket of conspiracy laced crap over Dr. Wayne Carver who is the Chief Medical Examiner of the State of Connecticut.  While Dr. Carver does not give good press conferences (he told reporters this was only his second formal press conference in over thirty years with the office) and he bobbled a few questions, the use of his comments to support a massive conspiracy theory by Jeremy, reveals that Jeremy is heading around the bend. Jeremy and Tracy make repeated mistaken assumptions that demonstrates that this part of their case is built on non-existent foundations.
 
Lets start with the basics. Tracy writes in his internet published article http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-sandy-hook-school-massacre-unanswered-questions-and-missing-information/5316776 that "The multiple gaffes, discrepancies, and hedges in response to reporters’ astute questions suggest that he [Carver] is either under coercion or an imposter."
 
Tracy’s article, which Jeremy reprints approvingly, contains a video tape of Carver being asked questions.  One can see Carver’s face on the OCME’s web site http://www.ct.gov/ocme/site/default.asp and its a match, similarly it defies belief that Connecticut reporters, present at this conference, some of whom had previously talked to Carver would not be able to recognize an imposter.  Finally though I am anonymous, I have previously interacted with Carver,[1] and attended some presentations he has given to various professional audiences.  It’s him, and I don’t know why Tracy even brings up the impostor possibility.  If he’s trying to make a point by being sarcastic, it falls flat.
 
There is not a strict rule for how long a full autopsy takes to perform.  However the more wounds to the body the longer it takes.  An autopsy can take between an hour and four hours, and Carver had just completed seven, so he was likely exhausted when he went before the cameras.  Secondly, each autopsy is followed by a multi-page report dictated by the medical examiner who conducted the autopsy.  The report is usually generated as a rough draft and then examined and corrected by the medical examiner to make sure no errors creep into the final report.  At the time Carver was speaking (it was Saturday) the reports for the up to 26 autopsies which had been conducted, were still winding their way through this process preventing him from providing complete statistical information.  He would have only had specific information on the seven autopsies he had personally conducted, and would have been too busy to watch the other autopsies being conducted by his fellow medical examiners from start to finish.  Therefore commenting on the cumulative statistical product of their work would have been a good way to make errors in his own comments and he smartly resisted the temptation to do so.
 
Finally, most forensic pathologists are, in my limited experience, a bit weird.  You don’t go into that particular medical residency if you are perfectly normal, which is why there are fewer then 500 board certified ME’s currently active in America.  So if Carver comes across as a bit of a death nerd, its typical for the profession.  You almost have to have a strange sense of humor to keep it together when you are working on a child who died from abuse and neglect or a person burned to death.  It doesn’t indicate that he was under coercion, just that he was exhausted, all the reports weren’t yet typed up, he’s a bit weird like most of his medical tribe, and he is not used to doing press conferences.
 
Lets go to some of the more specific points that Jeremy made, or Tracy made, and Jeremy endorsed uncritically.
 
1) Jeremy: "There were supposedly only handguns found in the school, yet only automatic bullets were used.  An automatic was found in the alleged killer’s car trunk (not at the scene of the crime) while the car is registered in another man’s name."
 
Tracy contradicts his mope follower by quoting Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police, who corrected a reporter who said that what we later learned was a Bushmaster AR-15 type rifle was found in the trunk of the car the shooter drove to the scene. "That’s not correct" Vance said.  And Jeremy, its not "automatic" bullets.  "Automatic" is a generic method of mechanical operation used by a semi automatic pistol or semi auto or full auto rifle that uses a magazine.  I think you were referring to the caliber of ammunition used which would most likely be .223 Remington which is fired out of a rifle, and not a semi auto pistol or a revolver.*
 
*Some Bushmaster rifles are chambered in calibers other then .223 such as 308 Winchester.
 
2) Wayne Carver said he would conduct a full examination of the shooter the next day, Sunday.  Jeremy finds that this is a red flag. 
 
At the conference, Carver said that he and his staff had autopsied the children first so that they could be sent back to their parents for burial as soon as possible.  That’s why the shooter’s body was kept waiting, he didn’t have priority over the children.  The "fool you guys" comment was in reference to how OCME trucks were unmarked, so they could go to crime scenes and recover bodies without being spotted by the media.  Should Carver have said this?  Probably not, but the OCME does have an interest in doing its business without attracting media attention, a virtue Jeremy would never appreciate.
 
3) Jeremy: "Parents were not allowed to see the bodies, no videos or photos exist showing any sort of carnage." 
 
Jeremy, did you expect the Connecticut State Police were going to photograph the classrooms where the shooting happened, complete with pictures of many dead children, and immediately release them to the public?  Similarly autopsy photos are not released to the public, the only time crime scene photos and autopsy photos are generally shown to the public is if a death or homicide goes to trial, or a public inquest in a coroner based system which does not exist in Connecticut.  Since the shooter is dead, I don’t think that’s going to happen here.  In your first statement you say that Parents were not allowed to see the bodies.  When the current Connecticut Medical Examiner’s office was built, it was designed with a large walk in refrigerator for bodies, and a large open bay to conduct autopsies, they did not have a separate viewing room.  So families who go to the medical examiners office are not allowed on the ground floor to see the body, instead they are brought photos while upstairs.  You can argue this is a design flaw to the building, and some in Connecticut have.  However while conducting multiple autopsies, you can’t efficiently conduct your functions while multiple family members are walking through the autopsy room surrounded by bodies with some of them crying and having emotional breakdowns. (Which I would have if I had children who died under such circumstances)  That’s why the bodies were autopsied as quickly as possible and sent to funeral homes, where the parents could view their children.
 
4) Tracy writes: "Carver has an extremely self assured almost swaggering presence in Connecticut state administration" and then discusses an article showing that Carver threatened to resign if the governor’s office took away certain functions from his office. 
 
This sounds like standard bureaucratic budget warring to me folks.  The fact that Carver engaged in a budget fight with the governor’s office does not mean that he’s a swaggering presence on the witness stand, or at press conferences.  Tracy says this to set up a false choice.  That if Carver is not swaggering he’s being coerced by some unknown group or entity, as verses being exhausted. 
 
5) Tracy is suspicious about Carver deferring a question about the caliber of the rifle used to the State Police, Carver may have been doing so because the Police had collected the rifle and presumably all of the casings found at the location.
 
6) Tracy complains that when asked about whether the wounds were "at close range" Carver said that he only had a sample of seven autopsies and didn’t know this specific information from the other autopsies.  Tracy finds it a "startling admission" that Carver didn’t have complete information on the other shootings.  As I’ve previously explained, without having all the autopsy reports back in final form, Carver could not, in good faith, provide such a number.  Carver also did not have a precise number for the total number of bullets and fragments he found in these seven bodies.  Given that one bullet can fragment into multiple pieces when it hits bone, Carver may have not wanted to provide a precise number which then would be slightly off.  That’s how you get your testimony impeached when you testify at a murder trial which is his professional frame of reference when being questioned.
 
7) Tracy says that "the Bushmaster .223 Connecticut police finally claimed was used in the shooting is designed for long range field use and utilizes high velocity bullets averaging 3,000 feet per second, the energy of which even at considerable distance would penetrate several bodies before finally coming to rest in tissue."
 
Tracy starts by assuming that the bullets would penetrate multiple bodies when it is very possible the vast majority of the shooter’s bullets would have hit the floor, or walls, or furniture  if they went through their young victims bodies,  because Lanza, would have been mostly firing downward on his mostly underage six and seven year old victims, since he was taller then they were.
 
Tracy apparently knows nothing about firearms and ballistics.  First he does not know the precise velocity of the .223 bullets in this shooting because this figure varies somewhat depending on the length of the barrel on the rifle which is not yet public information.  But let’s assume he’s correct that it was approximately 3,000 feet per second.  There are no reliable scientific studies using even ballistics gelatin which will discuss the likelyhood of a specific.223 round penetrating multiple children’s bodies during a shooting.  Carver had drawn Tracy’s ire on this point because he had said that "bullets are designed in such a fashion that the energy . . . is deposited in the tissue so the bullet stays in [the tissue]"  That is correct when the target is other military aged males.  Carver did not have any studies to rely on for this particular situation so he provided a conventional explanation, rather then attempt to pioneer his own sub-field of children’s BULLISTICS on the spot. 
 
Similarly while .223 caliber military rifles sometimes possess sights that can be adjusted out to 500 yards, the American Army typically trains its soldiers to hit targets 300 yards and closer with this weapon.  For shots beyond 300 yards and most definitely beyond 500 yards, the army prefers to use rifles firing larger caliber bullets which are more stable in flight such as the M14 Rifle which fires the 7.62 mm round. (this caliber is available to civilians as the 308 Winchester and also called 7.62 Nato)  The Bushmaster is "long range" when compared to a pistol, but not when compared to other rifles.  For example the M14 can be sighted to ranges up to 1000 yards away, though use to a range of 800 yards is more realistic for most shooters.
 
8) Tracy objects to the delay in autopsying Lanza because "Carver left the most important specimen for last" asking why.  This ignores Carver’s comments elsewhere in the press conference about returning the bodies of the children to their parents as soon as they possibly could do so.  Then Tracy criticizes Carver for not knowing conclusively whether the gunman shot himself with a rifle or a pistol.  Carver probably did not want to hazard an answer before conducting the autopsy.  Carver may have thought a pistol may have been used because of the appearance of the head. (i.e. less damaged then if it had been hit by a rifle round) but not all wounds produced by the same caliber of bullets are identical and Carver may have simply not wanted to commit himself before removing the top of the gunman’s skull and examining his brain, and skull in more detail.
 
9) Carver was then asked "the nature of the shooting, is there any sense that there was a lot of care taken with precision or randomly." 
 
 Carver points out that he would not be allowed to answer this question as phrased by the court.  Tracy then gets upset because Carver is careful with his answer at a press conference, and not testifying at trial, though Carver is answering questions for a national audience and is being conservative in his answers.  Secondly, an opinion of whether the shooter was operating "with precision" or randomly" is a behavioral question about the shooter, and very difficult to answer based on the information that Carver had available to him.  (He was processing bodies, and not the crime scene, even though he had visited the scene)  Notice in the transcript when asked if the victims were sitting or running at the time they were shot, Carver wisely defers this question to the crime scene officers. 
 
 I’ve already mentioned repeatedly that Carver also had only autopsied 25% of the bodies in this case at the time of the press conference, giving him further reason not to draw a conclusion from only his sample.  Without the completion of a reconstruction of the shooting scene, it would be difficult to make such a determination.  For example shooter walks up to a teacher and fires three shots into her chest because she is preventing his entry into a classroom.  This is not a random act, because he is shooting her to gain access to the class room, but if Carver autopsies her body, he will probably not, on that Saturday know precisely where she was standing when she was shot and unable to determine precision verses randomness.  He also will probably not have access to all of the applicable witness statements which would help with such a determination.
 
 Similarly lets suppose one of the students standing next to her runs to get help, and gets shot in the back in a widely scattered wound pattern.  Is this shooting random because the shots did not hit center mass?  Did the gunman fire because he knew what the child was doing, and therefore attempting to further his plan?  Or was he shooting everything on sight?  Carver can’t know this on Saturday.  It was a lousy question, and Tracy goes after Carver, for refusing to speculate on national TV.  Note to Tracy, such speculation is not generally "impartial opinion". 
 
 A better question would have been something like, based on what you witnessed performing your autopsies, and your visit to the crime scene, do you have an opinion as to the degree to which the offender had planned his crime?  This question would have probably still drawn an objection at a hypothetical trial but it would have been an easier, more focused question for Carver answer.
 
10) A reporter asks Carver how many boys and how many girls were killed.  Carver didn’t have these gender specific numbers off the top of his head and said he didn’t know.  It was a mistake on his part but nothing that indicated a conspiracy or his coercion by forces unknown.
 
11) Tracy asks how the gunman fired so many shots in such little time since each victim was shot between 3 and 11 times during a 5 to 7 minute span.  In the transcript Tracy provides, Carver says this about the seven victims he, Carver autopsied, not every victim. I don’t know if any police officer expanded Carver’s statement to the entire pool of victims, but even if this was true, Tracy commits a very basic statistical error.  He finds the average between 3 and 11 to be 7 wounds per victim and uses it to derive a total of 182 wounds or a minimum of 182 shots fired which hit various victims.  Tracy is assuming what is called a normal bell shaped distribution curve when estimating the number of wounds per victim, when at best the authorities only offered a range, for example in a sample of Carver’s seven victims we might have the following wound totals.
 
3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 7, 11
 
For those reading, that’s an average of 36 wounds, not 49 as Tracy’s average would suggest.  It is very possible that instead of a normal bell shaped distribution that the distribution is skewed towards the lower numbers which would destroy Tracy’s insinuation that there was a second shooter because an untrained Lanza could not accurately fire 182 bullets at a rate of one bullet a second in the five to seven minutes allocated to him in the official time line of this event.  I think its clear Lanza fired many shots, but Tracy’s numerical reconstruction is to put it bluntly, junk journalism.
 
12) Where is the Photo evidence?  Tracy claims that the lack of visual evidence of Lanza’s crime is suspicious because there is no visual evidence of Lanza breaking into the building, nor "routine eyewitness, photo or video of the crime scene’s aftermath — broken glass, blasted security locks, and doors, bullet casings, and holes, bloodied walls and floors oo all of which are common in such investigations and reportage.
 
Such photographs of the interior of crime scenes are common when law enforcement loses control of the crime scene.  The Connecticut State Police did not allow reporters to roam the hallways and classrooms of this elementary school taking photos and video.  They were doing so to preserve and process evidence.  Remember the Virginia Tech shooting?  There was a similar lack of photos of the class rooms of death because the media was also not allowed in while there was blood on the floor.  Perhaps the media did not get its photos of Lanza’s entry point because the police backed them up out of the parking lot.  I can tell you as a Connecticut resident, most of the pictures we saw of the crime scene were taken from news helicopter or alternately pictures of the school sign.  The police seized control of the school parking lot and apparently didn’t allow the media access.  Given his interest in media, Tracy is free to complain about such control of the media, but it doesn’t mean that there is an official conspiracy to misconstrue what happened at this Sandy Hook school.
 
In conclusion Wayne Carver, committed the ultimate sin in modern American Society, he was bad on TV.  (See Dennis Miller’s rant on this subject in regards to James Stockdale)  Jeremy by contrast is wacky as a bedbug, and I have no idea about what Tracy’s motivation may be,  Tracy should be sentenced to giving Jeremy a place to live at his family abode so he realizes the full cost of encouraging such wing nuttery.
 
Paperchase[1]
 
[1]Paperchase, a resident of Connecticut, was the only poster at XPT ever banned for making fun of Ryan "Flopsy Mope" Knox. He is not a past or present employee of OCME and does not write this reply with Dr. Carver’s prior knowledge or permission.  For the record Dr. Carver would probably be appalled by this discussion of himself on a porn news site.

 

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32 Responses to “Rebuttal & In Defense Of Sandy Hook Shooting Med Examiner”

  1. Karmafan Says:

    Thanx for clearing that up.

  2. jeremysteele11 Says:

    I had to pull this comment off moderation by reposting it and spacing out certain words or abbreviations which I suspected it to cause it to go into moderation and it worked!… anyway…

    This mess is far from cleaned up, Karmafan.

    First of all, I acknowledge I miffed by saying an automatic was found in the car. I should’ve said that a long range shot gun was found. Whoops.

    However, it’s been reported in mainstream media that 4 hand guns were the ONLY weapons found at the crime scene, and Mr. Carver, which X P T’s very own Paper chase, backs as credible (that’s fine with me) states (as can be seen in the full length video in the same article as found on the net) “All the wounds that I know of at this point were caused by the long rifle”.

    You take that into account, along with the fact that it’s been reported that the car Adam Lanza supposedly drove, which the long rifle was found, was registered in the name of Chris Rodia, age 43, who’s family deals drugs in Norwalk and who is currently facing 7 fel ony charges including two narcotics charges himself. And Lt. Vance doesn’t mention anything about it?

    Nice job getting lost in the trees, Paper chase, but you’re missing the whole fucking forest!

  3. Jerkuliscious Says:

    I would like to say that I’m glad to see yer still around Raperface. Happy and Healthy New Years to ya.

  4. jeremysteele11 Says:

    And re: point 3

    If there were over 100 rounds fired where are all the damage pics of the inside or outside the building? There is no blood and no bodies in any of the video. No personal phone camera shots of anything that allegedly happened.

    What about closed cicuit cameras in this day and age? Remember Columbine in ’99?

    And video and photograph evidence shows ambulances and emergency vehicles were blocked by cars, unable to move. This was not normal. Medical people were not allowed to enter the carnage area, but had to be camped away, out of sight.

    And I’ve read parents have been given a gag order, just like FDNY was regarding 9/11, facing prosecution, loss of work and jail if they talk about what they know due to the bogus excuse of “national security” which means protecting the guilty.

    And more proof Sandy Hook was an inside job. There were “coincidental” Terror drills same day, same place. Go to connecticut’s ct dot gov/ demhs/ical/eventDetail_page.asp?date_ID=CAC9C6C9CD83CDC9C7 and read it yourself because I’m sure you haven’t heard of it. A terror drill was scheduled for – December 14th, 2012
    Location: 2800 Main Street, Bridgeport, CT
    9 AM – 4 PM

    FEMA was at ground zero the night before 9/11 and terror drills were being done in the same exact three places and times that bombs when off on 7/7 in London. The chances of that being a coincidence are simply impossible! Sorry, coincidence theorists!

  5. Paperchase Says:

    Thanks Jerkuliscious, the thought is much appreciated.

    Back to Jeremy, that there was a terror drill someplace else in CT on the same day proves nothing. The Dept of Homeland Security and other agencies conduct exercizes like that all the time.

    Similarly, Jeremy has his panties in a wad because the CT State Police have not released any closed circuit TV video of the shooting. If such video exists it undoubtedly contains pictures of various students and teachers getting gunned down. Stop being a ghoul Geremy, if you were a parent you wouldn’t want to see video playing on TV stations showing your loved one getting shot again and again.

    If you were any dumber Cindy would have to water you.

  6. Sandy Bunz Says:

    In Los Angeles in the 1990′s we had two people murdered and subsequently the LAPD did a very complete investigation due to the celebrity status of the dead and the suspectt. The investigation by CT police was rushed by the Administration in Washington just like the 911 investigation and the Kennedy fiasco in Dallas. T

  7. Sandy Bunz Says:

    The media blitz of false facts was ment to confuse and highlight gun control. What about the fathers going to testify about about Libor scandal? What
    about the hard evidence? What are the lyes being hidden?

  8. Karmafan Says:

    Why are they going after gun control when it probably would not stop what happened? A better idea is to look at why they closed all the state hospitals and turned tons of folks that had dangerous mental health problems out on the streets? Or why they are NOT spending money in the states to identify folks that are a danger to society and get them some help? We got plenty of money to go to war all over the globe but no money to help our citizens here at home that might have mental health issues and no way to get help unless they shoot up a school?

    Or create laws so family members can turn in dangerous loved ones so they can get some help BEFORE they shoot up a school full of little ones? I really don’t think gun control is the issue here. Its trying to get to the root cause of the problem and identifying and helping folks before they become infamous on the front page of newspapers.

  9. jeremysteele11 Says:

    You make mighty ASSumptions, Pooperchase, and are like the O.J. Defense team, denying the overwhelming evidence available and presented 14 ways from Sunday, by myself, and others.

    The London 7/7 terror drills in the same exact times and three places the event happened are absolute proof that was staged. FEMA was camped out at Ground Zero the night before 9/11. This time, due to the attention that was brought to these facts as supportive evidence of an inside job, terror drills are now done on days before, after and of course during the event, so they can make the same excuse you’re farting out. But you can NOT look at simply this point, ignore everything else and claim yourself victorious. That’s like saying the glove don’t fit so you must quit this shit.

    Another not so grand ASSumption is “the CT State Police have not released any closed circuit TV video of the shooting. If such video exists it undoubtedly contains pictures of various students and teachers getting gunned down.”

    NO, the ONLY thing certain is that we have conflicting reports that have NEVER been scrutinized or explained, which proves the main story we’re hearing to be absolute bullshit!

    You never saw carnage from the released Columbine video but at least saw there were students there with guns, etc.

    The Sandy Hook radio dispatch recordings available on youtube have some of the following communications from Connecticuts finest:

    “They are coming at me”, “female in room one shot to the foot” (where have you heard news/video of survivors, and how did they get out when video shows ambulances and firetrucks were conspicuously blocked in, against standard operational procedure? )

    10:05am, “possible suspect vehicle.”

    10:06am, “run the operator, last name is Rodia, Christopher A, August 6 69.” (Where is the news on this story?)

    11:09-10am, “Danbury is reporting a possible vehicle, a purple van, 2 occupants with possible ski mask, that may be involved with this incident, exit 8 heading down stoney hill towards the center.”
    (Where is the news on this story??)

    11:10am, “the lady involved in this incident, also we are getting reports of that one of them may be wearing a nun outfit, heading towards Danbury, stoney hill, purple van, unknown plate.” (This is evidence of a CONSPIRACY… sorry to all you asshole idiots who allow such words “conspiracy theory” to automatically cause you to go in a huff and instantaneously dismiss EVIDENCE as delusional, crackpot lunacy!)

    11:17am, “last seen on stoney hill by exit 8, people in the van have masks, one was dressed in what appeared to be a nun outfit” (Where’s the fucking news on this, Pooperface?)

    And of course, there’s the man in the woods who was apprehended and radio reports of another man down, apprehended, and the continually ignored report that the alleged weapon used was in the trunk, so it could not have been used, and in felon’s name, named Rodia.

    No footage is being released because it would disprove the easily provable bullshit story that Adam Lanza (a guy who hasn’t not been heard of or seen for three years) was responsible!

    And all this is just but a few things about this case… THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, YET HERE YOU ARE SPOUTING OUT YOUR OBNOXIOUS INSULTS AND IGNORANCE BASED “OPINIONS”!

    I share this not because I want attention but because this shit DEMANDS ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. jeremysteele11 Says:

    comment from January 1st, 2013 at 10:13 p is awaiting moderation.

  11. jeremysteele11 Says:

    The LIBOR matter seems to have been put to rest as misinformation, Sandy. Other than that, I strongly urge people to youtube “Sandy Hook Hoax” and see the enormous amount of information that has come out in video. It is staggering how many are making youtubes about this (some are better than others). And keep a look out for my next video on this scam. I probably will have it done by tomorrow.

    And Hurricane Sandy, Sandy Hook, Sandy Bunz… I see a connection here :P

  12. jeremysteele11 Says:

    By the way, the particular FEMA exercise they had that same day of December 14th, 2012, at 18 Riverside Rd, Sandy Hook, Ct. was “L-366- Planning For The Needs of Children in Disasters” between 9AM-4PM…. An Amazing Coincidence (right, you brilliant coincidence theorists?)!!!

    Who’s the dummy?

  13. Sandy Bunz Says:

    We will never know what happened. We do know that the celebrity OJ got a lot more discovery and attention than the dead in CT. The TV networks ran the trial on all channels and the people were drowned with the evidence for a long time. The Sandy Hook and Colorado theatre shootings evidence is hid from the public because the government wants gun control not transparency. The police audio is proof that at lest 2 men were running from the school and detained by the police, if the audio was not manufactured as a ruse. All the media and the rich elite want the poor to be armed with only rocks as in North Ireland, Mexico and other countries that ban guns.

  14. jeremysteele11 Says:

    Evil unchecked has become mega-monstrous, Sandy. But, I think there is also a grass roots Sandy Hook Truth movement burgeoning as we speak. We will probably never know all that happened, but I think we’re starting to uncover a lot.

  15. Jerkuliscious Says:

    Gurmee, is your mom more embarrassed by your porn past or your conspiracy theories?

    There is a town near me that is putting armed police officers in there schools as of the 2nd. That is great. I can’t wait until a coked out cop on babysitting duty shoots a kid or rapes one at gun point.

  16. Paperchase Says:

    So Jeremy, where is your proof that FEMA had an exercise scheduled for Sandy Hook on that day. Let’s see some real proof, a referral to a you tube conspiracy tape doesn’t count.

    Let’s review some of the 911 calls. Its common for people to call in, in good faith, and provide speculation and erronous information.
    ___________________________________________
    10:05am, “possible suspect vehicle.”

    10:06am, “run the operator, last name is Rodia, Christopher A, August 6 69.” (Where is the news on this story?)

    11:09-10am, “Danbury is reporting a possible vehicle, a purple van, 2 occupants with possible ski mask, that may be involved with this incident, exit 8 heading down stoney hill towards the center.”
    (Where is the news on this story??)

    11:10am, “the lady involved in this incident, also we are getting reports of that one of them may be wearing a nun outfit, heading towards Danbury, stoney hill, purple van, unknown plate.” (This is evidence of a CONSPIRACY… sorry to all you asshole idiots who allow such words “conspiracy theory” to automatically cause you to go in a huff and instantaneously dismiss EVIDENCE as delusional, crackpot lunacy!)

    11:17am, “last seen on stoney hill by exit 8, people in the van have masks, one was dressed in what appeared to be a nun outfit” (Where’s the fucking news on this, Pooperface?)
    ____________________________________

    So they ran the plate on a vehicle owned by a guy name Rodia when they were suspicious of his vehicle. We have no idea why, but he apparently was never arrested for any crime. Jeremy do you know how often police officers run plates? Short answer all the time.

    Secondly, are you actually claiming that someone dressed as a nun in a purple van was involved? That’s exactly the right getaway outfit, something easily remembered in a noticable vehicle.

    Its more likely that witnesses were reporting everything that moved including many vehicles that had nothing to do with the shooting.

  17. Paperchase Says:

    “jeremysteele11 Says:

    By the way, the particular FEMA exercise they had that same day of December 14th, 2012, at 18 Riverside Rd, Sandy Hook, Ct. was “L-366- Planning For The Needs of Children in Disasters” between 9AM-4PM…. An Amazing Coincidence (right, you brilliant coincidence theorists?)!!!”

    Jeremy, according to the calenderc linked below, the exercise you are referring to was conducted in Bridgeport. The training exercize done at the Sandy Hook fire department was done in 2010. In December the Department of Homeland Security and Fema did exercises in several Connecticut towns including Colchester, Ct.

    http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/eventDetail_page.asp?date_ID=CAC9C6C9CD83CDC9C7

    Will you please get your facts correct for a change?

  18. jeremysteele11 Says:

    wrong, youre referring to another exercise, the data i shared was retrieved directly from the site…. because of the likes of u, pc, my 3rd enstallment of the sandy hook hoax will focus on a very loose thread which will unravel the whole fabrication

  19. Paperchase Says:

    Then share the link with us mope boy. Prove me wrong.

  20. jeremysteele11 Says:

    That’s a good question, Sir Jerkalot. I haven’t asked. My dad, who’s very open minded, won’t even look at my videos but it’s well over 6,000, getting more hits everyday. My new one is starting out slow, but a much better presentation and so for nothing but complimentary comments.

  21. jeremysteele11 Says:

    And you’re arguing “liklihoods” and assumations… what WAS Rodia doing there at that time?, (and the alleged gun used at scene was found in his car), just as what the fuck were terror drills to protect children done right around the corner at the fire station on the same day?

    AND IT WAS THE SAME DAY, I ALREADY GAVE THE LINK… here is again (in a form that won’t put it on moderation, which you have to fix in the obvious way to get to the link):
    h t t p : / / w w w . ct . gov/demhs/ical/eventDetail_page.asp?date_ID=CAC9C6C9CD83CDC9C7

    And it reads…
    Dec 14, 2012
    FEMA L-366 Planning for the Needs of Children in Disasters

    The goal of the course is to enable participants to improve their community’s mitigation and emergency operations plan specifically regarding the needs of children. The course will provide them with the information needed to address the unique needs of children prior to, during and following disasters. It will also provide them guidance and direction on how to form coalitions and how to become advocates for the unique needs of children in all aspects of emergency management.

    After completing this course, participants will be able to:
    • Articulate the importance of providing for the needs of children in disasters in your community’s current emergency management plan.

    • Explain what is required to keep children safe in emergencies and why those needs are unique.

    • Explain the assumptions, concept of operations, organization and assignment of responsibilities that address the unique needs of children prior to, during and following disasters.

    • Explain the planning components necessary to address the unique needs of children prior to, during and following disasters
    • Incorporate the unique needs of children in disasters into Emergency Operations Plans

    • Identify stakeholders and organizations that can assist in preparing for the needs of children in disasters.

    • Initiate steps to form coalitions and build teams that have a stake in keeping children safe in disasters

    The target audience for this course is local and state emergency managers and planners, Child Services Agencies, NGO’s, Child Care Providers, Schools, and Faith-based Organizations…. Location: 2800 Main Street, Bridgeport, CT…
    etc.

    Again 7/7 London bomb squad on scene at same time terrorists attack, in all three places attacked, same bat time, same bat station, three different places, same day… coincidence an impossibility.

    Fema at ground zero night before 9/11.

    Fema at Sandy Hook day of attack. See the pattern, here?

    And during this Sandy Hook real life-like drill were “Crisis Actors”, you can look this up, too… but they did a pretty shitty job being believable… tearless, traumatized neighbors and family…

    Denial is not a river…

  22. Paperchase Says:

    You realize Jeremy that on this thread you have previously claimed this course was in Sandy Hook, when it was actually conducted in Bridgeport Connecticut which is approximately 19 miles away. If I have to explain to you that these are two different locations, your argument is proceeding rapidly downhill.

    You have offered no proof that Rodia was found with any weapon traced back to the shooting, you have not even established that his car was stopped and or searched in the parking lot of the school in question. Both of us have no idea why Rodia was traveling in Newtown that day, but only you are committing libel here by implying that he had something to do with this mass shooting.

    By the way, are you still insisting that the medical examiners office did not perform an autopsy on Adam Lanza’s body, or the those of the 27 victims of this shoot spree (I’m counting Lanza’s mom in with the children)

  23. Paperchase Says:

    Which reminds me Geremy, lets take as a given that there is a Fema office in Connecticut. How many days after this mass shooting would they have to delay showing up before you though that they were not involved in the planning and execution of this event. Or alternatively, if they sent no personal to the scene on this day would you take it as a sign of covert involvement. Yup, see how this game is played, they send someone to provide assistance, they set it up, they don’t they’re also complicit.

    Fema responds to disasters Jeremy. If one or more of their people drove to this site at some point during the day from an office elsewhere, that does not prove they planned it. Using the same logic I could argue that since Channel 3 and Channel 8 news of Connecticut also respond to mass shootings they must be involved in planning them? This is your logic.

  24. jeremysteele11 Says:

    I mistakenly typed Sandy Hook, thinking of the town, when I should’ve stated Bridgeport.

    Attention has been brought previously to the fact that FEMA is always camped out and drills taking place at the precise location and day whenever a terror event happens, so this time they started a few miles away, but still the same day.

    I’m now reading updates on Rodia and will get back to you and respond to the rest later. But photos of his car and plate identified as his was communicated as having been taken from the crime scene, along with photos of the semi-auto in trunk of car, which was somehow linked to shooting. I’m not saying Rodia did it, but where’s Adam Lanza’s car?

    And why no disussion about shooters chased in woods and other guy arrested? More later…

  25. jeremysteele11 Says:

    Btw, in addition to Part 2, I just published Sandy Hook Hoax ADDENDEM to Pt. 1 (Emilie Parker & Jessie Lewis alive posing w/Obomber).

  26. jeremysteele11 Says:

    And the confusion stems from the fact that the Dep’t of Homeland Security also had a “training course” in Sandy Hook, called Homeland Security Exercise Evaluation Program (HSEEP), which strangely is an anagram of Sheep.

    The Connecticut Department of Homeland Security’s website contains information in on Sandy Hook residents two year participation in specialized Department of Homeland Security HSEEP training drills. The location of the drills was nearly at Sandy Hook Elementary school, held at the Sandy Hook Fire Department: 18 Riverside Road, Sandy Hook CT

    Sep 22, 2010
    Homeland Security Exercise Evaluation Program (HSEEP) – Newtown CT, 9/22, 9/29, & 10/6/2010

    Just a “coincidence”?

    The bottom line is whenever there are terror drills in your area, it would be best for you to get the fuck out of town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We should all we watching our gov’t just as it is watching us.

  27. jeremysteele11 Says:

    As an article by The Atlantic says, the chances of being killed by your own furniture in the U.S. is the same as being killed by a terrorist attack. And even if all the mass shootings we are familiar with were not staged, how many people is it that die from mass shootings per year and what are the chances there ever would be terror drills in the particular area hit, let alone the same day? Of all the places all over the fucking country that some lone nut could’ve chosen and it just HAPPENS to be the same place they’ve been doing drills at?

    Who’s stupid?

    And Obama has had the most fascist gun law proposals by far. He wanted to ban single and double barrel guns. There’s mainstream vids about how people bought guns in mass before the election in fear that he would win. And now these shootings with non tears from family and fake croc tears from the Prez and Con(n) Governor.

  28. jeremysteele11 Says:

    Recommended… especially for all the full grown, dumbed down kids in America.

  29. jeremysteele11 Says:

    “You have offered no proof that Rodia was found with any weapon traced back to the shooting, you have not even established that his car was stopped and or searched in the parking lot of the school in question”

    Actually, there is video footage of police removing a weapon from a car, at night, outside the school. Wayne Carver said this was the weapon used, although it was in the trunk of the car.

    There is photo of the car, a black Honda Civic, at daytime, the next day, hauled onto a flatbed towtruck from which an assault rifle was retrieved. In that photo can be seen a license plate, 872 YEO, and an police radio recording confirms the plate is of the car registered in Chris Rodia’s name. You can see guys with yellow jackets and others standing around in the background, including a geared lawman.

    Rodia is a registered 42 year old sex offender, registered child molester, convicted felon. And there’s an interesting porn connection to all this, as he lives in the home of George Uzar, the owner of two porn sites and a site that sells nazi flags and weapon accessories.

    You can see what I’m talking about in the youtube video titled, “Sandy Hook – The Truth (Controversial Documentary) 12-14-2012 NWO 2013″.

    Btw, did you know that the Church of Satan has two branches, one in San Francisco, and the other in Newtown, CT? There’s a lot of strange things about this evil scheme.

  30. Karmafan Says:

    LOL Jeremy you are talking to yourself now. Like the last 6 posts in a row are by you. Too much caffeine?

  31. jeremysteele11 Says:

    No, the situation itself has me amped up. And it’s fascinating, actually hilarious, once you realize it’s a hoax. Smoking gun number one… not one single family member or witness was caught on tape shedding, not to mention, as you’d expect, bleeding tears. If you lost your little 6-7 year old, come on… Mariah’s wrong. If someone can find someone who actually shed tears I’ll mail you my entire DVD collection, including the porn. Some made crying kinds of faces or pretended to wipe away tears that never came, but shit, this shit is so obvious… a conspiracy so monstrous as Edgar J. Hoover once said that you can not accept it exists.

    Smoking gun #2: There’s no aeriel footage of kids en mass, or teachers and faculty… with emergency vehicles blocked in, people roaming around casually… it was just a drill played out as real.

  32. jeremysteele11 Says:

    There’s a great, hilarious radio discussion on youtube just out, 56 minutes long about Sandy Hook under the title “Sandy Hook Hoax Completely Revealed – Media Lies – Actors – Satanism – Govt…” I think anyone who believes the official story and listens to this is gonna be feeling as dumb as those who believed O.J. didn’t do it (sorry, Larry).

    My first of 4 videos has over 13,000 views, and on the front page of a “sandy hook hoax” search. Currently there’s a 3 thumbs up to one thumbs down ratio, which actually still bugs me a little, so I made sure my next videos were better, and my ratios are 28:3, 6:1, 5:0… which shows those who actually take the time to listen actually appreciate what I’m sharing. Wow!!

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